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So worst case scenario will be 6 people alive (of which 2 mafia) -> lylo.
For only one mafia, 4 people alive -> lylo.
However, assuming no hits will be blocked till the end, it will be an odd number, so:
If no mafia die: lylo in 3 days
If one mafia dies: lylo in 4 days
But think about it, there are 2 mafia left (assuming kav is not lying), there will be clues after each night, so even if they take turns, there will be at least 2 more clues pointing at one person. 2 pointing at each if you count the one from today.
So at the very least, town should be able to lynch one mafia based on clues alone.
I still didn't get any kind of confirmation from anyone else about the picture of the IV. Was it there or was I dreaming already (11 here is 4am my time)?
Can someone humor me and see if they can tie an IV to anyone's profile?
I went through them again but most profiles are just a picture, not much background to go by.
As for the XTC, the only connection I see is impervious, as horse is slang for heroin. But it's kind of a stretch.
And no, I didn't realize the pun 'till you pointed it out. I lol'd.
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Yeah but you're failing to state that I pushed for LD lynch before knowing for sure that bum and beneather are scum.
And that in all my arguments, I stated that we should kill all three of them.
I later agreed with Kav that if we have 100% confirmation on all three, it was wiser to use LD to kill one mafia, and thus drop mafia KP to 1 first, and then drop SK KP to 0.
But I guess it's ok to ignore some facts when drawing the line and deciding someone is red.
Through all that chaos I never once said that bum/beneather should get away, just that it was wiser to lynch LD, and have them confirmed during the night. Which is practically what the whole town thought as well (see voting thread).
You're talking about it as if it was something extremely divided, and LD got off at the last second, but soon after bum posted that LD is SK the voting thread was full of "lynch LunarD".
I would rather focus on the ones who voted without participating, rather than the ones who actually made good arguments and try to reason the decision.
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On February 09 2011 20:27 Barundar wrote:
Oh lol, not the least suspecious of DivineK? Just defense of yourself and finger pointing to others. Asking for DT checks "to confirm" Bum doesn't do you any favor since it would a) force a real DT to claim, b) lead to a bunch of wifom regarding the godfather. You might have said kill them all, but you pushed for SK lynch over using him.
Providing clues and arguments for lynching SK doesn't do you any favors. Thats what mafia bussing is all about.
In my opinion at least 1 of Divinek and Cubed is scum, and possibly both.
I am suspicious of everyone. Fear not.
I didn't ask anyone to claim (in fact, if you'll read my posts I always advised against claiming), since I was under the impression that there are town circles.
It could also be verified in other ways as well.
And please see PYP mafia to understand why I pushed SK lynch. And if the mods wouldn't have verified him via the PM think, would you have let him kill the person who claimed DT? That's the smart town move?
Are you honestly trying to say that if you had no information on bumatlarge you would've lynched the claimed DT first, because he claimed? Without trying to verify if he's even telling the truth? Or the bodyguard? Which of them was the PRO-TOWN choice?
Maybe you have the 6th sense and realized they were mafia, I didn't.
And I clearly explained my reasoning 10 times over. And most players agreed (like GM and Kav) that it's best to kill SK rather than have him hit one of them.
I'm sure that in retrospect, it's easy to say "you were trying to save scum", but I did no such thing. Go over my posts again if you think so.
And besides, I'll say this again: Me and BrownBear were the only one arguing FOR lynching LunarDestiny, but the thread was full of votes for him. What about the mass that voted for him without even bothering to explain? Why is that irrelevant? There are at least 3-4 people in this game that are just cruising along with 1-2 posts per day. That's not suspicious, right?
And yeah Jackal, I know it's easy, I can do that as well, vote for you at the beginning of the day and then stay out of all town discussions. It's good that everyone is playing along and letting you be, it's not suspicious or anything.
And I get it that you think I'm scum, but how about trying to find more links rather than the day one clue. Statistically speaking, I should have partaken in at least 2-3 of the kills so far, no?
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I'm gonna leave now, don't know if I'll be back 'till nightfall.
@Kav: don't forget about census, just in case you're gonna live through the night.
I'm not gonna tell you what to do with it, but I think checking red is best, unless you have other plans and whatnot.
I'm gonna vote for Imperv mostly because of the horse->heroin connection, and also because I kinda trust Kav (if he's red, town lost anyway).
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On February 10 2011 03:27 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 23:55 CubEdIn wrote:On February 09 2011 20:27 Barundar wrote:
Oh lol, not the least suspecious of DivineK? Just defense of yourself and finger pointing to others. Asking for DT checks "to confirm" Bum doesn't do you any favor since it would a) force a real DT to claim, b) lead to a bunch of wifom regarding the godfather. You might have said kill them all, but you pushed for SK lynch over using him.
Providing clues and arguments for lynching SK doesn't do you any favors. Thats what mafia bussing is all about.
In my opinion at least 1 of Divinek and Cubed is scum, and possibly both. I am suspicious of everyone. Fear not. I didn't ask anyone to claim (in fact, if you'll read my posts I always advised against claiming), since I was under the impression that there are town circles. It could also be verified in other ways as well. And please see PYP mafia to understand why I pushed SK lynch. And if the mods wouldn't have verified him via the PM think, would you have let him kill the person who claimed DT? That's the smart town move? Are you honestly trying to say that if you had no information on bumatlarge you would've lynched the claimed DT first, because he claimed? Without trying to verify if he's even telling the truth? Or the bodyguard? Which of them was the PRO-TOWN choice? Maybe you have the 6th sense and realized they were mafia, I didn't. And I clearly explained my reasoning 10 times over. And most players agreed (like GM and Kav) that it's best to kill SK rather than have him hit one of them. I'm sure that in retrospect, it's easy to say "you were trying to save scum", but I did no such thing. Go over my posts again if you think so. And besides, I'll say this again: Me and BrownBear were the only one arguing FOR lynching LunarDestiny, but the thread was full of votes for him. What about the mass that voted for him without even bothering to explain? Why is that irrelevant? There are at least 3-4 people in this game that are just cruising along with 1-2 posts per day. That's not suspicious, right? And yeah Jackal, I know it's easy, I can do that as well, vote for you at the beginning of the day and then stay out of all town discussions. It's good that everyone is playing along and letting you be, it's not suspicious or anything. And I get it that you think I'm scum, but how about trying to find more links rather than the day one clue. Statistically speaking, I should have partaken in at least 2-3 of the kills so far, no? I read your posts, did you? And yeah people including myself voted for lunar, since it was clear he was anti town, but we kept the possibility of using ld open. Question was on who, not if it was a possibility. Even after it was clear that bum and beneather was scum, you and divenek pushed on for lynching LD. Kav and coag led the votes on bum/beneather, 1 is dead and the other is soon to be. Mafia didnt bus their own, town did. But mafia wouldnt let 2 of them die without a fight if they didn't bus them themselves. Only 2 people did keep trying to divert the lynch to LD, you and divinek. Now im willing to believe one of you could be a misguided town. But not both of you. Hence you both need to die.
What are you talking about. I always said that if town wants to use LD I'm in.
You're blaming me again for not changing my vote during the last 3 hours of the day? I posted like once and went to sleep after bum was "confirmed". I didn't push squat.
This was the only post after confirmation of bum:
On February 04 2011 07:00 CubEdIn wrote:
SK cannot be role-blocked.
And if you were RB last night, it only means that bum & beneather are scum, and that's how they figured out LD was SK.
That makes it easier. Lynch LD tonight, vets, kill bum & beneather.
EZ PZ.
How is that pushing? How was I to know everyone would change their vote, and I'd get blamed for not playing along?
Why would we not get rid or both ld and scum if we had vigs? And how would I know (even if I were mafia) that we had no vigs? Nobody claimed to be a vigilante and there were no extra KPs that could be unexplained, so it made sense that vigs would still have their power (had they been alive).
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I haven't posted thoughts on anyone, actually.
Throughout the game, I have suspected a lot of people who later on died. GMarshal was one of my prime suspects, actually, especially due to some things in the first part of the game. Then, I looked into Coagulation, Kenpachi, but compared to the other games they're just behaving normally. (Kenpachi has a gift for looking scummy btw, but I don't think he's scum).
I didn't think that Jackal is scum, I thought it was just tunneling, and I get that you have to try and rattle people in this game. But today when he said that he'll "keep doing that until he dies", mixed with the fact that some people take him for granted makes me think that it's a really really clever way to stay out of focus. He has me to target, and he doesn't have to give any other reasons than the clue. He'll just keep voting me until one of us dies, and only after that he needs to find another target (probably Divinek), and only after THAT, people will find him suspicious, and it might be too late.
(I still agree with the trade, by the way, to get us both lynched, but you seemed to have turned from "trading" to "kill them both and then maybe somewhat consider me". But that's ok. For now.
Kav, I don't trust Kav. I haven't trusted kav since the beginning, but he did seem to help town in some tight spots and he figured out some things by himself (like pointing out bum before he claimed and whatnot). He also seems fishy with things like... he knew the mafia knew he was medic, but he didn't let the town know. Why? And even after the hit on him, he let people go on after clues before saying that he was protecting GM (at least I was trying to find a connection to 'the doctors couldn't help him', when in fact it was a straight-out explanation that he was medic protected but the medic was role-blocked). However, this doesn't matter, at all. If Kav was mafia he was still truthful about census, and his play would've been damn-right perfect. So if he was scum, then town has lost already.
BrownBear - I like him the most, because in many points throughout the game we were pretty much saying the same things, so we somewhat think alike. I was expected to be "paired" with him as mafia, not Divinek, but I see the reasoning there. And due to the fact that I know I'm green, and we posted pretty much the same things, I'll give him a 99% green in my book.
Barundar - I don't know. He poked at me twice during this game, but it seems reasonable. I'm not good at post analysis so I just do/say what I think. I didn't build up an opinion on him, but I was thinking that if he did nail some things on the mafia he'd have been dead a while back. So he might mean well but he hasn't proven as useful as Kav, for example. I would vote for easily if a clue pointed at him though.
Impervious - It's not just the connection, even though it's the ONLY connection that was found in the clue, it's also Kav's post regarding you, and the fact that the town is voting for you. I really don't know who to vote for, but someone has to die, and you're more than a coinflip to me due to the clue. I know it's terrible, I said it's terrible, but it's better than nothing at all. If Kav hadn't had the hunch about you, I would've probably voted for myself tonight.
However, the fact that he only reacted when I voted for him is suspicious. There are what, 4-5 votes on him already, but when I vote for him he switches focus on me? Probably because part from him, I'm most likely to get lynched, so it's the only way out.
As for everyone else, I really don't have any clear thoughts on them. Mostly because they've been quiet, this includes darmousseh. I really don't like his play style, mainly because he bandwagons and FoSs only people who have been FoS-ed before. He's just sitting in a corner, laughing when everyone else is laughing, and tagging along for the ride, but he isn't even trying to bring his own contribution. In fact, the only meaningful contribution was "well, I also pushed cube in mini mafia, and he was town!". Well played there, powerful argument.
So, let's end it with Divinek. I also find him as sort-of a lurker. He doesn't say much, he doesn't do much, he mostly replies when he's being targeted. But the reason I left him for last is that... there are others that do the same. There's no good reason why I would think he is scum just because of that. And if you want me to agree that rooting for LD was scummy, then I would have to admit that what I did/said was scummy as well, which is dumb. If that's your reasoning, then there are three scum in the game left, since BB did the same.
That being said, it's very possible that if the mafia knew there would only be two people left, then they would take different sides. One pushing for LD, someone pushing against LD. That's what I would do in that scenario.
Anyway, bottom line is that I don't really know if Divinek is scummy or not. But I don't think that his push for LD was scummy, so much as his lurking and playing along is. If he'd give out more insight he'd be ok in my book but he never does. So no, I wouldn't even bother coming up with arguments against his lynch, nor would I bother with anyone else part from Kav or BrownBear. Unless someone makes an epic post like Nemesis did, that clears him of all guilt in my eyes.
...boy that was long. Please ask me to detail if I was unclear, because I don't have time to proof-read it. Cheers.
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On February 10 2011 04:43 Impervious wrote:
Ya, the more I read into his posting, the more I'm starting to agree with Jackal.....
Of course you do, who else can you find that the town would consider lynching instead of you?
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Oh right you got me, I posted after I'd said I'd leave, I MUST BE scum!
Fear not, I'm gone for good this time. 
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Oh, so we changed the lynch again in the last 10% of the day.
I say we lynch cubed next for not changing his vote! 
No, just kidding. I know you guys mean well!
@Kav: Just tell us who are your top 3 lynch candidates.
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Well if I were to bring pressure down on GMarshall, and he was indeed SK as I thought, then he could simply kill me during the night. There was never a time when town was lacking lynch subjects, and I wasn't going to stick out and have possibly one-two people with me, and everyone else fighting about Nemesis or RoL (or whatever they were doing, there were always several lynch candidates).
I didn't produce opinions on ANYONE. Please understand that. When I did, I produced opinions on everyone. I'm not taking sides. If you want to pick Divinek out of that, be my guest.
Also, I don't want to be grouped with anyone. I just explained who I would be against lynching: Kav and BB. That's all. And I even explained why. I didn't have to "choose" between him and divinek, like you're trying to make it look. I could've went with absolutely anyone in the game and your argument would be the same.
Besides, you're acting as if Divinek is sure scum. Do you know that? Why are you assuming that I tried to "defend" him, even though I didn't, and now that he flipped scum, even though he didn't, I am backing out.
Please.
Also, I'm glad that you're dismissing Imprevious because nobody defended him. Part from the mass of people defending me ever since I've been targeted. That is a really good argument against, because mafia is surely stupid enough to try to get their target off the lynch by being the only person against the lynch.
But you know what, I'm cool with that. Here's what I'm gonna do. I'm not gonna defend myself anymore. If you wanna lynch me, that's fine, but note this: If you misslynch now, and there are two mafia left, tomrrow will be lylo time. Have fun with killing me.
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Sure.
And if you're right, the night clue will have to point at me.
So there's absolutely nothing you should worry about!
I fought as long as the arguments were valid (like the night one clue), but now you can bend and push however you want. If you want to see how I play town, read the games where I played town. Easy.
All you're doing is saying I'm scummy for defending myself, and now I'm scummy for not defending myself.
I already told you who I consider scummy, the lurkers. But I guess that coming in during the last hour, voting, then disappearing is not scummy at all.
You are biased, that's all. You had little reason to lynch divinek and are ignoring when a lot of other people to the same.
So fine, lynch me. If game doesn't end I expect town to take jackal and you down. And I think that's fair. Let's just stop arguing and do it.
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Is it?
+ Show Spoiler [long posts] +On January 29 2011 10:41 CubEdIn wrote:What the fuck Coag? You can't act like you don't know this is extremely incriminating. So either you're: a) A really bad mafia player with Nemesis in their team b) A townie that feels like they don't wanna play anymore. You may do dumb things sometimes but I don't think you're dumb enough to be in case a). Which means that you're playing anti-town, which should be against the rules. Switching vote to someone who's gonna get mod-killed is just dumb, at least vote for yourself to show you're abstaining. On January 28 2011 04:51 CubEdIn wrote:
Well, I got a bit more time to check out the thread. I don't like the page-long analysis on one individual.
I mean, they would go great in mid-late game when you have like 50-60 posts to choose from and you pick the most incriminating ones, but if you analyze ALL the posts, then you're bound to find a bit of scum in everyone, but nothing very conclusive.
That's my opinion on RoL's case at least.
So I went back and looked at the clues.
Needless too say, nothing obvious this time, but the second person showing up @ Meapak's murder site got me thinking.
If two people go for one person (Mafia and SK or Mafia/Vig or SK/Vig), do we get clues on both assassins, or just the one who got there first?
I think it's important to know, because if it happened during the first night, it's bound to happen again.
Also, I am assuming that if mafia uses 2kp on same target, we will have indications towards two assassins as well, and information that they worked as a team, correct? (that's how it was in the first game of mafia I played).
Also, I've been toying with an idea, I want to hear what the town thinks.
Since we don't have information about who's what, even after they die, DTs are far more important in this game.
So, I think that it's important that DTs play well.
Since it's pretty safe to assume that Mafia has only 2kp (I'm thinking that that extra person was at best another SK, and that SiN is not lying, don't see WHY he would), then it's kind-of hard to kill a DT if town stacks medics upon them.
That being said, I think DTs who find a red or sk, should immediately come up with it (preferably in a town circle, but since that's less likely, then to town). If we have at least two medics then it would take 3kps to kill DT, and even if they do stack them upon him, then it's probably worth losing 1 dt for 1 red.
I'm saying this because if a DT finds someone important, and dies, we won't even know if he had any solid reason to push for whoever he was pushing in the thread.
So, the basic idea is that we CAN'T rely purely on census this game. We need some kind of strong circle or something, to make sure that DTs can cooperate fully.
That being said, I am 90% sure that SiNquity is TOWN.
Reasoning: He claimed he was hit.
Scenarios:
a) He is mafia.
He would only claim he was hit if he was mafia in order to influence what the town thinks about mafia KP. This doesn't make much sense, since mafia wouldn't know about SK kp anyway. And even if they do manage to make town believe mafia has one more kp than they do, what good does it do? It's better (imo) for mafia to try to fake LESS kp not more.
b) He is SK
Claiming he was hit would be the dumbest thing to do in this scenario. If you are informed you took a hit, then you can just lay low and see if Mafia keeps trying to kill you (absorb KPs). If you see someone try to out you, then you know that that someone is most likely mafia (and pissed that he can't kill you), so you just take him out the next night. Town won't even know who was the mafia that died anyway.
By saying "oh, I've been hit" it only puts you in the spotlight for the town. If you don't die later on, they'll wonder why (and assume you are SK, or red). You don't need medics, you just need to not-get-lynched, and that's best done by laying low. So he's most likely not SK either.
c) He is town
This makes most sense. Since he "took a hit" but didn't die, most chances are that he's vet. I don't want him to claim or anything, and I don't want doctors that might have been on him claim either. It's good that you did protect him, and he may be a nice target for protection later on.
The only downside to this is that he should have been silent about this and see if someone tries to pull something from him, thus revealing themselves, but since it's out there already, we can safely assume that we have one confirmed town.On February 01 2011 06:03 CubEdIn wrote:
Hello everyone.
Sorry for not contributing today, but it was hell. I had two exams in the morning, then I had to work for 8 hours.
I'm not even gonna bother reading through everything, but I skimmed through, and I looked a the voting thread.
First of all, town sucks.
Not because there's no analysis going on, not because people aren't active, not because of lack of information, but because everyone is being erratic. There's no way in hell we'll be able to point out mafias if we keep behaving like this.
We can't have 3 people with similar number of votes each night, it doesn't help.
Here's what I think:
a) Lynching Beneather is ok, as long as you guys do it for more than just clues. I didn't see any tangible proof in what he posted so far. Yes, master chief sounds like chef, and there's the dog reference, but if you want to push for him, then also make a case with posts and possible scummy moves, don't go all-out on clues and if you find out he's town then say "oh well, the clues kinda-sorta pointed at him".
It kinda makes sense that he is red because if GM isn't lying, mafia hit him, so they might try to open up space to kill mayor. But it is also possible that GM is lying and they want to get Beneather lynched in order to open up a door to Kav.
b) Lynching Nemesis is not ok. I'm gonna say this for the 4th time. Last night he almost got lynched. He was almost sure he'd be lynched, he posted PRO-TOWN. Mafia doesn't do that, at least not with that much subtlety. He just accepted his faith and pointed fingers people we were well under the radar, there's no decent reason a mafia would ever do that. Also, part from me, not many are struggling to defend him, don't you think mafia would try to do that?
If you're lynching based on him being a probable SK, then go for it, but he's not red, goddamn it.
c) Lynching Jackal is kinda odd, I don't feel good about him but it's probably who I'll vote for (i'm not even considering anyone other than these two). The biggest issue is that it all started from nothing, and it snowballed from there. So there's really not much pointing at him.
I would say that until we lynch a red, we won't have any real evidence of who is who, so we might as well just RnG the lynches. It's not like people aren't voting for 5+ players each night.
Kav: How would you feel about lynching Beneather?
I'm sorry if you already answered this, too tired to check in detail.
Please also consider the (albeit unlikely) possibility that GM is red. + another bunch of posts where I was urging the town not to vote Nemesis
Point is, I did stand up and made points when I thought points were to be made.
Though, I admit, I have been doing that less in the past few days. Mostly because I have a much stronger feeling about who isn't scum then about who might be.
Although I will say that I appreciate the fact that you bothered to go through my previous games. This is the kind of analysis I was talking about.
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I wouldn't sweat it if I were you guys.
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I told you those clues didn't point to me Jackal. But you're just too stubborn!
Also, please note, from Mafia forum, when asking LSB if I can guess who second medic is:
Qb3
02-10-2011 04:44 PM ET (US)
Either Mr.Wiggles or BrownBear.
\o/
These two were most "forgiven" by the town, even though they were just as, if not more obvious than I was. Mr. Wiggles for inactivity, BB for pushing same things I was pushing. It's a pity there were so many mod kills, and it's a pity nobody DTed me to have me confirmed green. 
Also, Coag was killed because he said "tell your scumbuddies we're coming for them" lol. I was like "naw you didn't!".
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On February 11 2011 11:51 Coagulation wrote:
cubed got played.
UMAD?
Lol you would have soaked up a hit if you were vet.
Just read the mafia forum, we were offing people at random (well, we were kinda going after experienced if possible). But you, we were sure medics would not protect you, so you were a sure hit. The taunt was just a bonus.
We only started picking our hits after bum decided to claim and panda got mod-killed.
And we didn't feel "safe", at least I never felt safe because I saw how mafia got shredded in Harry Potter. The main issue is that we didn't have a more experienced player to lead us.
I mean, I'm fairly new at this, bum was cool but a bit erratic, and the others were way less active than me. LSB gave us useful tips, but we needed a stronger leader in order to take this imo.
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Well I don't know how you used it, but it was so obvious that there was more information behind the curtains.
There were people who were just never placed under suspicion.
And it worked too, decisions were well-directed and backed-up by town. I don't know how we could have broken that.
Also, killing DT first night and having the other one die greatly reduced GF importance. I was just hoping that if I argue enough I'll get checked and confirmed inside the circle, but no luck.
Also #2:
So, if there are two medics tonight, one of them will most likely be on Kav. However, we can RB kav, and hit someone else. We don't actually need to kill Kav.
So we can:
a) rb kav hit jackal (but I am under the impression that jackal is a vet or was under protection, otherwise he wouldn't come out like he did last night)
b) kit kav and pray.
Practically, if there's another medic, we can only find him by rb kav and hitting everyone else. But if we do that, then census will keep going and they'll always know they miss-lynched.
My guesses were decent. Maybe next time.
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On February 11 2011 12:15 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2011 12:03 CubEdIn wrote:On February 11 2011 11:51 Coagulation wrote:
cubed got played.
UMAD? Lol you would have soaked up a hit if you were vet. Just read the mafia forum, we were offing people at random (well, we were kinda going after experienced if possible). But you, we were sure medics would not protect you, so you were a sure hit. The taunt was just a bonus. We only started picking our hits after bum decided to claim and panda got mod-killed. And we didn't feel "safe", at least I never felt safe because I saw how mafia got shredded in Harry Potter. The main issue is that we didn't have a more experienced player to lead us. I mean, I'm fairly new at this, bum was cool but a bit erratic, and the others were way less active than me. LSB gave us useful tips, but we needed a stronger leader in order to take this imo. That pm was in context to this. Show nested quote +Original Message From LSB:
You are a townie! You may not have a special role, but you are the most important part of the town. Your job is to use clues and analysis to hunt down and lynch the mafia. Show nested quote +Hide nested quote -
Original Message From LSB:
What's wrong with townie? If you die, you can be happy for soaking up a hit!
Haha, okay then.
But as I said, as long as we didn't hit vets or protected targets, we were jolly. It worked out nice 'till the 3-deaths-in-1-night.
@Kav, oh, that's not what I meant. It's just that people are more prone to protect the ones inside the circle, and it showed, during the past 2-3 days. Just look at who was targeted for lynching.
And yeah, DT would've made things more interesting.
@Imp, yes I was, it's in the Role list now as well.
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I never said you were wrong, but there's more to mafia than listing names.
You have to actually convince people and provide strong arguments in order to get people that you know are scum lynched.
Do you really believe that town would've followed your lead if you had died after posting those? I sincerely doubt it.
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On February 11 2011 16:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm an ego maniac so I wanna know why I was killed. Oh and GG town, really well done especially Kav.
I kinda wanted you dead because we kept postponing your murder in Harry Potter and because of that, DT trusted you, there was a whole alliance built around that, which eventually lead to us being cornered out of lack of claim possibilities.
If kita (i think?) wouldn't have come to you, that game would've been a bit different.
So yeah, that and the fact that you are more experienced gave us enough motives.
That's why I suggested you and I did the killing. ^_^
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Yeah I was seriously pissed at that point. Imagine knowing that you're right, but that your reasons are all wrong.
I thought the town would turn against you when I realized the clue on day4 was pointing at papapanda (it was an easy search since we knew who we sent for the kill lol), like they did against me in mini mafia, but when they just ignored all my "counter-proof", and absolutely nobody thought you were scum (even though you were accused of tunneling), I figured it was pointless to argue anymore, and there was no point in trying to kill you either... Although I would have, after Kav, and whine that mafia did that so town will lynch me. And that I would never be stupid enough to do that as mafia.
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