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On December 29 2010 05:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2010 07:49 seRapH wrote:
It's pretty obvious that the Pandain wagon makes zero sense, so if you were mafia trying to establish credibility letting that go through would be stupid.
Annul my vote is going on you now because after reading through this thread I also think your analysis has been forced.
Also I'm keeping an eye on meapak. This is one of the posts I found really interesting. The pandain wagon did make no sense and Seraph says what I think he is trying to do. We can just label it wifom. At the same time he discredits Annul saying his argument is forcedShow nested quote +On December 28 2010 08:55 seRapH wrote:
A forced argument is when you try to conjure up something out of nothing. Then explains what forced means! But seriously, how is Annul's analysis forced? I read it, it felt pretty natural to me. Annul remains dedicated and keeps going for his lynch of LSB and LSB OMGUS him back which is a really shitty way to play and incredibly anti town. The thing is I also believe that could just be a blue tell from LSB believing his role to be important for town victory.
Who's argument were you calling forced earlier?
On December 28 2010 05:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I got my defense wrong! I have a strange idea. I think both annul and LSB might be mafia, this little tiff is exactly what annul/KJ did in ExMiMa although this is a little different. I know LSB is a better player than to attack his attacker AS mafia, its kind of an odd tell. My first thought was that he is probably town and just thought the analysis was scummy. But the analysis seems fine to me. The arguments almost feel a little forced too if you read through it. This is definitely something to keep in mind.
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On December 29 2010 05:44 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2010 05:42 annul wrote:On December 29 2010 05:31 LSB wrote:but can you disprove by showing games where an active mafia is lynched on day1 and they did not say they can prove their innocence. Harry Potter Mafia Yours truely rofl it was a busof course you arent going to claim blue because you are being bussed! your goal was death. So do you think I'm mafia? It doesn't sound like it.
no, ive only been sitting on you the entire game because i dont think youre mafia
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EBWOP:
On December 29 2010 05:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2010 07:49 seRapH wrote:
It's pretty obvious that the Pandain wagon makes zero sense, so if you were mafia trying to establish credibility letting that go through would be stupid.
Annul my vote is going on you now because after reading through this thread I also think your analysis has been forced.
Also I'm keeping an eye on meapak. This is one of the posts I found really interesting. The pandain wagon did make no sense and Seraph says what I think he is trying to do. We can just label it wifom. At the same time he discredits Annul saying his argument is forcedShow nested quote +On December 28 2010 08:55 seRapH wrote:
A forced argument is when you try to conjure up something out of nothing. Then explains what forced means! But seriously, how is Annul's analysis forced? I read it, it felt pretty natural to me. Annul remains dedicated and keeps going for his lynch of LSB and LSB OMGUS him back which is a really shitty way to play and incredibly anti town. The thing is I also believe that could just be a blue tell from LSB believing his role to be important for town victory.
Who's argument were you calling forced earlier? I'm kinda confused
On December 28 2010 05:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I got my defense wrong! I have a strange idea. I think both annul and LSB might be mafia, this little tiff is exactly what annul/KJ did in ExMiMa although this is a little different. I know LSB is a better player than to attack his attacker AS mafia, its kind of an odd tell. My first thought was that he is probably town and just thought the analysis was scummy. But the analysis seems fine to me. The arguments almost feel a little forced too if you read through it. This is definitely something to keep in mind.
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On December 29 2010 05:45 deconduo wrote:
I'm quite happy to lynch annul if LSB turns up blue. It will discourage people from tunnelling in future games.
All I will say is that I have a 100% correct rate when I tunnel. 
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EBWOP
By tunnel, I mean lynching tunneling.
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On December 29 2010 05:20 Insanious wrote:
Wow... we get nothing as town from lynching LSB at all 0.
No info:
Anti LSB:
- Annul
Pro LSB:
- Me
Annul = town, easy to see
Me = town, because I know I'm town :/, hopefully my posts speak for me.
LSB turns up green:
- We have no suspects to look at
LSB turns red:
- We look at me... awesome?
want to know how I know LSB isn't red...
No one is trying to divert the lynch, if LSB was red, the mafia would be trying to throw up another name to be lynched instead of LSB. Is that happening? NOOOOO
Mafia are throwing LSB under the bus because... LSB isn't mafia.
People, if he was mafia we would be having a lot more discussion rather then
Annul: "LSB is mafia"
LSB: "No I'm not"
Everyone else: "I don't know who is mafia, lets bandwagon LSB"
This is just bad town play, and for one, I am disappointed...
We are voting for:
1) An active player
2) A player that might be blue
3) A player that no one is really defending
4) A player that if he turns red, there are no other posters to look at if he flips
LSB is a terrible lynch...
False logic. There is a VERY good reason that LSB is not getting defended if he is mafia. Look at ExMiMa. I accused Aidnai HARD day 1 and was pushing him relentlessly waiting for other mafia to show themselves by trying to defend him. KJ/Annul kept their cool until I got replaced then slowly diverted the lynch. It is WAY too risky to try to launch a defensive or diversion campaign of a mafia on day 1, especially if you fail.
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I don't buy that LSB is being bussed. At this point in the game, with the votes in as many places as they are, it would be just as easy for annul or OpZ to be in the lead if that was what mafia wanted.
That said, I think RoL brings up a good case against Seraph, but I'd rather see annul / LSB resolved before we focus our attention elsewhere.
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@Opz
24 hours of conversation can change an opinion. The reason I felt their tiff was forced was because I thought LSB would be too experienced to respond in such an aggressive manner. I may have been wrong.
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On December 29 2010 05:59 Node wrote:
I don't buy that LSB is being bussed. At this point in the game, with the votes in as many places as they are, it would be just as easy for annul or OpZ to be in the lead if that was what mafia wanted.
That said, I think RoL brings up a good case against Seraph, but I'd rather see annul / LSB resolved before we focus our attention elsewhere.
As I explained a post above, I don't believe its feasible for the mafia to try to protect one of their own from such a volatile situation. It can only reveal themselves if they do it directly and it fails. Its why anyone focusing on lynching inactives or avoiding the conflict between annul/LSB should be heavily scrutinized.
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Possibly LSB and annul are both town and this gets us no where. I've seen worse cases where two people gun for each other. In fact I don't either really have much proof of scuminess. Seraph seems a better vote or pandain, Im always down for killing pandain.
If LSB is really vigi, we should leave him alive. He should kill annul on like night 2 then? If he gets shot before then, it gives him some viability, and that saves us that lynch. If neither die before day 3, then obviously something is up. I'm sure that LSB wouldn't lie if he wasn't scum, so he should be targetted unless annul is town. In that case, if annul dies, LSB proves his innocence, or scum wastes a hit to make LSB look scummy, in which case we should kill him anyway. Therefore we should go for people other then those two IMO.
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On December 29 2010 06:33 bumatlarge wrote:
I'm sure that LSB wouldn't lie if he wasn't scum
what?
FOS bumatlarge ;\
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I'm not lieing.
I can prove my alignment without a doubt at the start of night 2.
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Alright I've decided we should unvote LSB. I've thought about it for a while and while I'm pretty sure, almost certain LSB is scum, there's no real reason we have to do it now. He has said that he can prove without a single, even the tiniest bit of doubt, that he's safe at the start of night two. Not the end, but the start. So if he can't, then we vigi him, or if the vigi's dead, we lynch him.
It's like going for the win when you have an advantage in starcraft, its usually better to just sit back, expand, and get even more of an advantage for the certain win later.
Even better, LSB should say what his plan is to be 100% confirmed at the start of day 2, since it's not like mafia are going to kill him during the day. So then we can even lynch him if he never really had a plan.
Everyone should unvote LSB.
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On December 29 2010 06:45 Pandain wrote:
Even better, LSB should say what his plan is to be 100% confirmed at the start of day 2, since it's not like mafia are going to kill him during the day. So then we can even lynch him if he never really had a plan.
Everyone should unvote LSB.
Night 2, start of night 2.
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Actually, good point, I can tell the plan at the start of day 2 if needed.
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night 2 would not change from day 2 btw. No more actions can be done between those times, unless you mean AFTER night 2. At which point you COULD be a vigi, but if you really mean the start of night 2 you can't possibly be a vigilante, and you could also prove the same thing during the Day phase while we still have the option to lynch you!
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On December 29 2010 06:39 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2010 06:33 bumatlarge wrote:
I'm sure that LSB wouldn't lie if he wasn't scum what? FOS bumatlarge ;\
Sure? If hes town, I dont think he would go chanting on about him being a vigi if he wasnt. If hes mafia then obviously hes lying.
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Speaking of which annul, why are you against this? By all means LSB shouldnt be able to kill you since he is scum, right? If he is vig then there is a better chance of you being scum then most people.
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On December 29 2010 06:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
night 2 would not change from day 2 btw. No more actions can be done between those times, unless you mean AFTER night 2. At which point you COULD be a vigi, but if you really mean the start of night 2 you can't possibly be a vigilante, and you could also prove the same thing during the Day phase while we still have the option to lynch you!
I can tell you about it at the start of day two. However, the amount of people I can reveal it to has to be pretty small.
I can only provide proof at the start of night two.
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I think LSB is lying about being vigilante. Makes no sense from a townie perspective. How would we even know at the start of night two? If he kills someone as vigilante that we choose, he could just as easily be mafia killing someone, no? Someone correct me if I'm wrong...
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