EPTthey did.
it was the smarter move to not blow the power the next day, so i didnt. they still had no idea if i was guerilla or not.
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annul
United States2841 Posts
they did. it was the smarter move to not blow the power the next day, so i didnt. they still had no idea if i was guerilla or not. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On December 29 2010 03:18 annul wrote: in sengoku, i claimed guerilla. i said i would PROVE it the next day, if they decided to take their lynch off of me. they did. it was the smarter move to not blow the power the next day, so i didnt. they still had no idea if i was guerilla or not. The difference is that I can, and I will prove that I am a blue. And Sengoku we redirected the lynch because we didn't want to lynch a blue. You see, in that game, the town cared about winning. | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
On December 29 2010 03:18 annul wrote: in sengoku, i claimed guerilla. i said i would PROVE it the next day, if they decided to take their lynch off of me. they did. it was the smarter move to not blow the power the next day, so i didnt. they still had no idea if i was guerilla or not. But you were, in fact, a guerilla? How is that helping your argument here? | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
... but my point is i could have been or i could have been scum, town has no idea. if LSB is a blue he can make a believable claim on day 3 "HEY the smart move is to stfu about my power" ... and town has no idea if he is being sincere or if he is mafia and unable to prove himself. so the point of this is to question whether you believe the blue claim, in light of all the happenings, not to make an automatic "get off the blue" decision. every single mafia in this game would be smart to claim blue in the situation LSB did whether he is or is not blue. that is my main point. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On December 29 2010 03:28 annul wrote: in sengoku i breadcrumbed early so it was somewhat believable... ... but my point is i could have been or i could have been scum, town has no idea. if LSB is a blue he can make a believable claim on day 3 "HEY the smart move is to stfu about my power" ... and town has no idea if he is being sincere or if he is mafia and unable to prove himself. so the point of this is to question whether you believe the blue claim, in light of all the happenings, not to make an automatic "get off the blue" decision. every single mafia in this game would be smart to claim blue in the situation LSB did whether he is or is not blue. that is my main point. I have to see anything substantial as to why LSB is maf? Your analysis was weak and forced, but yet people still bandwagoned it. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
at least you are viewing it from the proper lens: "i do not believe the analysis" and not "the analysis was good BUT he claimed blue so we should at least give him until day 3 before we really kill him" | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
In the beginning of the game, I focus heavily on the framer role because that is the only difference in this game than the other 5 mafia games I played in the past. With nothing else to talk about, why not address how the framer role will affect the game and how should dts and vigs play differently. I still stay by my opinion that dts should never check the posters like LSB or Annul because they are the best target to be framed. Vigs can only shoot after night 2 and their shot are not wasted if stack. It really depend on if we need the extra kill at that time which a lot of mafia game need at that time. Remember the excuse of "I am not mafia, dt can check me and prove it" will probably not work in time game. | ||
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Insanious
Canada1251 Posts
On December 29 2010 03:32 annul wrote: okay, thats your opinion. at least you are viewing it from the proper lens: "i do not believe the analysis" and not "the analysis was good BUT he claimed blue so we should at least give him until day 3 before we really kill him" This is the same stupid stuff that Brocket did in Pokemafia. He was like "GABRIEL IS RED!!!!" and hunted him down with a passion ignoring what everyone else said, even though Gabriel was green. Your analysis on LSB looks exactly like the analysis done in Pokemafia where there is no specific scum tells just "his posts are spammy and not 100% green looking". To me LSB looks like a green again, he's posting basically just like in Pokemafia when he was a green. LSB also claimed blue when he was a green to try and draw a mafia hit, which as of now will probably hit our active players but leave both LSB and annul since they are being voted for. - - - - - As a complete side note, killing someone who claims blue, and says "I can prove I'm blue at end of night 2" is stupid. This just wastes town KP. Either he is blue and we lynch him or mafia kills him. OR he is mafia, he doesn't do what he says and we kill him. Letting him live 2 night rounds will not destroy the town, but lynching a powerful blue role on night 1 will hurt us a lot more then losing 2 townies. - - - - - - - What I see here, is annul wanting to get a red SOOOOOO bad, that he has bitten down on LSB like a pit bull and wont let go. Just like Brocket who thought Gabriel was red, people here are telling him (annul) to chill out, we have time. Lynching a blue hurts, guranteeing someone is a red before lynching them only stings. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
its not like we lose nothing keeping him around. we need to view it as "is it worth losing one more townie if he turns out to be red" | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On December 29 2010 03:28 annul wrote: in sengoku i breadcrumbed early so it was somewhat believable... ... but my point is i could have been or i could have been scum, town has no idea. if LSB is a blue he can make a believable claim on day 3 "HEY the smart move is to stfu about my power" ... and town has no idea if he is being sincere or if he is mafia and unable to prove himself. so the point of this is to question whether you believe the blue claim, in light of all the happenings, not to make an automatic "get off the blue" decision. every single mafia in this game would be smart to claim blue in the situation LSB did whether he is or is not blue. that is my main point. I am not stupid. I know how to prove my role, and I can prove my role. Right now, mafia wants to lynch me because they know they will not be able to take me out at night since medics will probably protect me. So they will try to take me out before it gets to night 2. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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annul
United States2841 Posts
hatter: cant prove it unless you die vig: cant prove it within the rules medic: cant prove it (actually you can, but its ridic difficult to do) DT: cant prove it (framers/GF/etc not to mention potential for "checking" your mafia teammate who of course will confirm) | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On December 29 2010 04:38 annul wrote: there is no role you can PROVE (outside of death - see hatter, etc) before the end of night 2. Yes there is. | ||
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Insanious
Canada1251 Posts
On December 29 2010 04:33 annul wrote: why do you not understand the fact that keeping a red alive two extra days WILL result in an extra townie (or two) dying? killing a mafia today means their KP will drop now or drop on the next mafia death. its not like we lose nothing keeping him around. we need to view it as "is it worth losing one more townie if he turns out to be red" Because he doesn't look red, and claims blue. So to me this looks like: 1) We kill a blue and lose their powers for night 1 or 2) We let a blue live 2 more days till the mafia kill them I don't see LSB as a red, he doesn't look red to me, and you look just like Brocket in pokemafia. Brocket didn't let go of Gabriel, your not letting go of LSB. Your 100% sure he is mafia, when there are like no posts even looking like he is mafia... he looks just like LSB the guy that almost saved the Pokemafia but then some people quit early... LSB is a strong town voice, he has claimed blue, this makes him one of the strongest players in the game and if he is not a red then should be kept alive at all costs. If he turns up as a blue and we lynch him we lose a strong town voice and a blue, this hurts the town 100000000000000x more then losing 2 greens that post mediorce posts IMHO, Because 2 greens that post mediocre posts don't help the town, where a blue does, as does a strong experience town voice that can do analysis. This is why I don't agree with this. Because we lose a lot if he is blue, and if he is red... well the KP probably wont even drop by 1, we will still lose the same amount of people just we are down a blue to help us, and LSB to do analysis. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
At the start of night 2. I will post my proof of being blue. If you're not satisfied, just call a vig hit on me. Deal? | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On December 29 2010 04:42 Insanious wrote: I don't see LSB as a red, he doesn't look red to me then this is your real reson. its not his blue claim, its "i do not believe annul's analysis." | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
On December 29 2010 00:33 LSB wrote: OMGUS: The point is, lets say I do an analysis of you, and its all lies. Wouldn't you be suspicious of me? It would be selfish of me to not do anything about it. As a townie I have a responsibility to attack Annul, even though it may be a bit scummy Inactives: In case you haven't noticed, I've been dealing with the inactives using blue roles. I proposed we deal with inactives by a combination of DT checks and mass cover by everyone allowing the DTs to safely . The thing is, this plan was immediatly dismissed by people who probably didn't read the thread. All they say is "well, lets not rely on DTs". In addition, as I've said, we should lynch an inactive only when there iw no obvious mafia canditdate. Given that I found a obvious mafia candidate... I'm unsatisfied with this answer. No, if you did an analysis of me and FOSed me as mafia when I'm not, that in and of itself would not make me any more suspicious of you. In fact, active scumhunting would make you more likely to be town. As for his analysis being 'all lies', I don't see any lies in his analysis post. You may disagree with his opinions, or think his logic is weak, but that doesn't make him mafia. If you are town, you're the only one who knows that so it doesn't make sense to vote for someone just because they voted for you. What really worries me about this lynch is that besides deconduo there hasn't really been anyone trying to divert the lynch, so either LSB is town or his buddies are abandoning him. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On December 29 2010 04:43 annul wrote: then this is your real reson. its not his blue claim, its "i do not believe annul's analysis." What analysis? So far - annul: Yes you are. LSB: No I'm not. annul: Yes you are LSB: No I'm not. Ad nauseum. You both look scummy. It seems one or both of you has volunteered to get thrown under the bus. | ||
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Insanious
Canada1251 Posts
On December 29 2010 04:43 annul wrote: then this is your real reson. its not his blue claim, its "i do not believe annul's analysis." My reasoning is this. Blue LSB > 2 greens dying. So to me, lynching him (if he is blue), hurts the town more than having the mafia kill 2 more people. But hell, you don't even see how lynching LSB does nothing for the town... Scenario 1) We lynch him and he is red - Mafia KP probably doesn't go down, so we still lose 3 Scenario 2) We lynch someone else, wait till night 2 and he doesn't do what he says - Mafia KP still at 3, but we kill a confirmed red ^^^ in both of these, we are at the exact same point in the game, same amount of mafia kills, same amount of town does, same amount of mafia dead Scenario 3) We lynch someone else, wait till night 2 and LSB does what he says - Mafia KP still at 3, but we are up a blue In Scenario 3, we have a blue on our team and someone we can trust. So killing LSB does nothing for the town, waiting to see if he is blue helps the town, since there will be a 50/50 chance of him being a blue. If he is blue, we get to keep a blue alive. If he is red we end up in the same position we would of been lynching him right now. Killing LSB now does 0 for the town, waiting for him to prove if he is a blue or red = helps the town. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
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