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of course i didnt intend for my analysis to "slip by" -- i want the town to see it and i want LSB the red to go.
people need to not focus on veteran status or whatever and focus on scum tells. LSB has many of them. i, too, can reveal some of a PM chain:
Original Message From annul:
i mean i dont really look at experience. if someone is scummy to me im going to call them out on it anyway. why give him a pass as a red just on the basis of his experience? if you think hes a red why do you want more town to follow along with his "experienced" ideas and possibly get led astray BECAUSE of that experience? light the fire imo, see what happens.
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On December 28 2010 08:36 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2010 08:33 LunarDestiny wrote:
-LSB also mentioned that Annul do the analysis on LSB to make himself look good by using it as a reference that he did lengthy analysis. But LSB also say that annul want his post to be ignored. I have to question why would annul choose LSB to accuse if he want his post to be ignored. It makes no sense. If annul want his post to be ignore, he could have analyze someone other than LSB, because pointing finger at LSB would certainly result in some lengthy responses that annul can't slip by. My best explanation of this has to do with how I acted in Harry Potter Mafia and Pokemafia. There was this giant bandwagon on me day one, and I didn't really do much about it. In Pokemafia I just dismissed analysis against me and didn't do much about it. This game is different as Annul's analysis was horrendious and sparked some alarms. I then sat back and watched as Annul kept it up. This is why I'm openly attacking him now. + Show Spoiler +Well... Harry Potter Mafia, I didn't bother with the bandwagon because the plan was basically to get me lynched.... thanks DocH x.x
yes, as you hide in spoiler text, HP mafia wagon on you was intentional and orchestrated and designed to bus you, so your behavior there is irrelevant in this context here.
my analysis is fine -- you return with "no u" on multiple points as your defense. if i had such a crap argument why then do you not 1. challenge it outright and win it, such that it becomes so obvious you won (since my case would be crap); and 2. why do you then use the same case i have on you, against me, as if it is fine just so long as the target isnt you?
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also you never exactly say what you mean by "my case is forced"
what is "forced?" explain this to me. what do you mean by "forced" and how does it apply (specifically) to me?
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On December 28 2010 11:39 Mr.Zergling wrote:
However, from HP mafia, LSB seems to always act somewhat scummy (which is why he got lynched last game).
he acted scummy in HP because he was scum in HP
hes acting scummy now
logic twin powers activate?
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i tend to tunnel, its my flaw 
but if i think someone is a red im gonna push them until i find another and/or the counterwagon is sufficiently convincing
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just an fyi
i post if i have something to say, i do not just post for the hell of it
i read the game and out of all of what i saw, LSB shined through very brightly to me, so i FOSed and analyzed him. in other words, i had something to say.
if i go silent, its because i have nothing i deem important enough to attract significant attention.
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On December 29 2010 00:34 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2010 17:39 Barundar wrote:On December 28 2010 16:42 Node wrote:I'll also say that I find annul's posting to be much scummier than LSB's. The way he's posting reminds me a lot of the way he played Experimental Mini Mafia (which was an interesting experience, as I knew he was scum from the beginning  ), whereas LSB's defense and contribution seems a lot more like his posting in Pokemafia, where he was green. In that game annul only posted 1 liners, voted without reason etc. In this game he is providing big analysis and is willing to defend it. How is that the same? Besides responding to my posts. What else has Annul contributed? Not much besides an Albus Dumbledor claim
that claim happened before the game even began - you cant count that stuff in analysis. obvious HP mafia reference, too.
and what have i contributed? i dunno, 90% of the fodder of day 1's debate?
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On December 29 2010 00:37 LSB wrote:
If you guys divert the lynch, I will prove, without a doubt, my role at the end of night two.
On December 29 2010 00:37 LSB wrote:
Maybe earlier
so you hint at vig but then scale it back, making it not vig because you cant kill until night 2, so no "maybe earlier"
what could you be hinting to here? hatter? you could only "prove" that upon death. medic? can't "prove" that "without a doubt" anyway unless you get lucky with hits.
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we can all prove it without a doubt in like 10 hours when you flip
and i meant that without my catalyst posting, 90% of day 1 wouldnt have happened. i know you contributed to half of it once it began.
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furthermore you say its fishing but i mean you just came up to the water surface with a giant open mouth, as if you want to swallow that bait. you are claiming blue, essentially, to save your lynch
so i want to know what you are. convince me and i will drop my attack until the time comes when you say you can prove it and cant actually prove it.
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then you will flip, because you are lying.
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my point is this though
why pass up on a likely red today? we give up on you in favor of something else and its less likely to get a red. say we DO lynch you day 3 - that is day 1 and day 2 of possibly killing town. this means possibly two more nights with mafia having 3 KP. who knows what the KP will be when you die? if it doesnt change, then we get the chance to drop a mafia day 2 and possibly put it lower then.
the point is this: if you are mafia and we let you get away with this blue claim, even for 2 days, if in your mind the only point behind this is to stall for time, its still at the cost of 1, maybe 2 town through a higher mafia KP. the question is then do you believe this claim enough to risk sacrificing 1 or 2 players (or more) to prove it?
right now, i dont think so.
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read the last paragraph of my previous post.
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im saying i assume you are red, not blue, but if you want to prove otherwise, you need to do better than "ill prove blueness on day 3" given the harms to that if you are actually not blue (1-2 more deaths)
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no, you cannot prove you are blue. that is what my rhetoric is saying.
my rhetoric is "he realizes he is about to go... he is going to try to save himself."
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in sengoku, i claimed guerilla. i said i would PROVE it the next day, if they decided to take their lynch off of me.
they did.
it was the smarter move to not blow the power the next day, so i didnt. they still had no idea if i was guerilla or not.
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in sengoku i breadcrumbed early so it was somewhat believable...
... but my point is i could have been or i could have been scum, town has no idea. if LSB is a blue he can make a believable claim on day 3 "HEY the smart move is to stfu about my power" ... and town has no idea if he is being sincere or if he is mafia and unable to prove himself.
so the point of this is to question whether you believe the blue claim, in light of all the happenings, not to make an automatic "get off the blue" decision.
every single mafia in this game would be smart to claim blue in the situation LSB did whether he is or is not blue. that is my main point.
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okay, thats your opinion.
at least you are viewing it from the proper lens: "i do not believe the analysis" and not "the analysis was good BUT he claimed blue so we should at least give him until day 3 before we really kill him"
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why do you not understand the fact that keeping a red alive two extra days WILL result in an extra townie (or two) dying? killing a mafia today means their KP will drop now or drop on the next mafia death.
its not like we lose nothing keeping him around. we need to view it as "is it worth losing one more townie if he turns out to be red"
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there is no role you can PROVE (outside of death - see hatter, etc) before the end of night 2.
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