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On January 03 2011 15:20 Ace wrote:
What makes you think we won't find Scum on Day 1?
Discourages Day 1 Discussion on Inactives
On January 05 2011 01:43 Ace wrote:
You should just vote for whoever you think will not help you win the game.
Suggesting we shouldn't even scumhunt
On January 05 2011 02:31 Ace wrote:
Yes it's still killing a townie but it gets you closer to your win condition. Doing it later in the game has major consequences but it's Day 1 and I don't see people trying to really do much.
Alas I can't vote. Oh well.
See above, continues to discourage actual discussion or scumhunting. Insteads supports killing off people who don't matter
On January 05 2011 08:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
##Vote Team 9
sorry forgot formatting
Randomly comes in and votes
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On January 04 2011 17:29 orgolove wrote:
I apologize for being busy.
So we're having a day 1 lynch without any starting information huh. An open setup with unknown roleblockers gives a disadvantage to the town, but as the saying goes, "a challenge means god's afraid of your progress"
All right, lets see.
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Looking at the past two pages, there's nothing to analyze. There's only been two votes, and the only discussion has been whether to lynch inactives.
no. Bad idea. In a game such as this, planning to lynch an inactive just allows the reds to guide the discussion to whichever inactive green they know isn't a part of them and leads to the town's disadvantage.
I'm not going to post any votes until there's something more concrete to go on.
Considering this is Orgolove's only post since the day post, I figure you must mean this one meapak?
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aidnai, can you yell for your brother to get on and vote Meapak?
(would that count as PMing?)
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you want his phone number? i'll pm it lol, if that's legal.
Anyway, I think ace is harder to read than you make him out to be. And meapak did give a reason (sort of) for voting orgolove.
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Na, I was just wondering if you guys were right next to each other or something.
I wouldn't call Meapak's post a reason. I'd called it dodging a modkill.
As for Ace, he really did kill early day 1 discussion and hasn't been helpful at all.
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so...a taste of his own medicine then?
Nah, I'm at work, he's at school. I sent him a text, but he could be commuting right now.
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[QUOTE]On January 05 2011 01:22 LSB wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 04 2011 16:25 Subversion wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 04 2011 10:46 Nemesis wrote:
Ok I just got here. Just to share my ideas with the current plans.
[QUOTE]On January 04 2011 00:51 deconduo wrote:
Would a good idea be to work off the assumption we are in setup #2? Basically we assume that there are no blues, and if we do have a DT or medic its a bonus. That way we focus more on scumhunting rather than relying on a DT/medic to form a circle that might not be there at all.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't make any assumptions as to what setup we are going with. We should consider all the possible setups. But yes, we should focus more on scumhunting than relying on forming circles based on blue roles.
[QUOTE]On January 04 2011 00:37 LSB wrote:
Well... Activity isn't going to magically create itself. So...
All right, in many games there was an uneventful first day. Lets not make this one of those games.
A few things to talk about:
- Should we lynch an inactive day one? Assuming of course, there is no good alternative
- Plans for the roles
Inactives:
A big problem in every mafia game is inactivity. I don't want another drag_ being able to squeak by with barely any posts. We should immediately show it is not okay to be inactive.
Inactive players hurt the town as they waste lynches down the road as the town will need to try to separate the mafia from the inactives.
We should therefore push to lynch an inactive day one. This will force the assassins to discuss and not be able to turtle, increasing the chance they will slip up.
The key is that we have to make sure the town knows it is not okay to just simply sit back and not do anything. This way, hopefully everyone will be active and we won't need to lynch an inactive.
Plan
Firstly. DO NOT CLAIM
DO NOT CLAIM
Good now that we got that out of the way, some other ideas.
Generic Blue Activity plan
One plan that would work is to use the blue roles to promote activity in the town.
The DTs should check the inactive people and the lurkers, as it is incredibly difficult if not impossible to tell the difference between a bored townie and a lurking mafia.
The Medics should protect active players, this way the mafia won't be able to take out the people who are contributing the most to town, so people won't be scared of trying to put forth their opinions.
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Although, I myself do not like inactives, our goal is to lynch mafia. So unless we can't come up with any good target to lynch by the end of the day, then I don't advocate the lynching of inactives, but lynching them might be a good idea if we have nothing else to go on.
As for dts checking inactive people(if we do indeed have dts), I think that might be a lot better plan than lynching inactives as we would be wasting town's greatest weapon. Lynching inactives is basically the same as RNG, a random chance of lynching scum. The only good thing is it prevents inactivity and encourages acitivity.[/QUOTE]
i dont really see what the point is of DTs checking inactives if its publicly announced. Surely then mafia will just make sure they're not inactive to avoid being detected?[/QUOTE]
Exactly. That's the plan.
That way the mafia will forced to stay active where it is easier to find them.
You can't analyze an inactive mafia. But you can analyze one that talks
Oh okay, soz, that actually makes a lot of sense.
Ugh this Day 1 vote is really just.. meh. Really not much to go on. For now I'm going with:
##Vote Beneather/BC
My main reasoning here is that Beneather seems reluctant to say anything without BC being here to give him advice. Seems like a scummy junior would be scared of exposing himself without a senior to run his posts by. Also, BC yet to make an appearance.
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omg, somehow completely fucked something up in the above post, sorry for the random screwed up quotes =/
also need to bold my vote
##Vote Beneather/BC
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Sorry for being inactive and all (schoolwork and socializing)
Subversion would you mind reposting it so it is easier to read?
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Yes it was mostly to dodge a modkill but I wanted to pick someone who had said something I didn't agree with. It's the last line of orgolove's post I don't like
I'm not going to post any votes until there's something more concret to go on.
This is either a really lame excuse for lurking or a mafia trying to kill discussion. There really hasen't been much to vote on but this quote stuck out to me as the scummiest thing said so far.
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Oh okay, soz, that actually makes a lot of sense.
Ugh this Day 1 vote is really just.. meh. Really not much to go on. For now I'm going with:
##Vote Beneather/BC
My main reasoning here is that Beneather seems reluctant to say anything without BC being here to give him advice. Seems like a scummy junior would be scared of exposing himself without a senior to run his posts by. Also, BC yet to make an appearance.
That's pretty much the whole post, except I also just said thanks to LSB for clarifying the check inactives plan, and why its good.
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Lol, yes, I was commuting. My previous vote was solely placed for the purpose of stirring up conversation, something that has not really succeed. Oh well, hope they are actually scum, cause if people don't start getting vocal, this is going to be a short game.
##Unvote
##Vote team 5: Meapak_Ziphh/Ace
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LSB where did I say lets not scumhunt? Are you sure you aren't reading my posts for what you want to see over what is actually there?
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On January 05 2011 09:44 Subversion wrote:
Oh okay, soz, that actually makes a lot of sense.
Ugh this Day 1 vote is really just.. meh. Really not much to go on. For now I'm going with:
##Vote Beneather/BC
My main reasoning here is that Beneather seems reluctant to say anything without BC being here to give him advice. Seems like a scummy junior would be scared of exposing himself without a senior to run his posts by. Also, BC yet to make an appearance.
That's pretty much the whole post, except I also just said thanks to LSB for clarifying the check inactives plan, and why its good.
Well it's kinda frustrating have a teammate that is not here that you absolutely have no contact with it really ruins the experience of the game of having a senior right? You can basically say that to any other inactive team out there. I'm not going to be pointing my finger at another team since people are just voting for inactivity. But it seems like your just bandwagoning since you don't have any other person to vote for.
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On January 04 2011 17:29 orgolove wrote:
I apologize for being busy.
So we're having a day 1 lynch without any starting information huh. An open setup with unknown roleblockers gives a disadvantage to the town, but as the saying goes, "a challenge means god's afraid of your progress"
All right, lets see.
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Looking at the past two pages, there's nothing to analyze. There's only been two votes, and the only discussion has been whether to lynch inactives.
no. Bad idea. In a game such as this, planning to lynch an inactive just allows the reds to guide the discussion to whichever inactive green they know isn't a part of them and leads to the town's disadvantage.
I'm not going to post any votes until there's something more concrete to go on.
Orgolove comes in, makes one long post and then disappears. If you actually look at his post, he doesn't really say anything except "there's nothing to analyze." and disagrees with lynching inactives without really adding any more.
Basically he makes a long post that doesn't really say anything.
##Unvote: Team 3
##Vote: Team 9 Flamewheel/Orgolove
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EBWOP oops
##Unvote: Team 2
##Vote: Team 9
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Why are you guys looking at a few posts and extracting baseless information from it? If orgolove is saying he's busy and afai doesnt have a history of lurking then let him be and look at the people pushing his wagon. These are terrible reasons for lynching people.
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I agree with you ace. Wanna lynch Nemesis?
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Although we should probably note that your team is currently 'pushing his wagon' lol.
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Well I have no voting power. I'd actually vote for LSB since I believe he has better reading skills than what he saw in my posts.
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EPT
