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Previous data from players is useless. Half decent players are able to get away with different playstyles. Im sure TL veterans dont look previous games unless there is a contradictory post from the accused in the active game (refered to the old game).
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On December 13 2010 06:23 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2010 06:06 LSB wrote:
AFAIK Zeks is also increadibly scummy in the other games he plays. What other games have I been scum in? LOL are you just agreeing you are scum?
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On December 13 2010 06:25 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2010 06:24 Gabriel wrote:On December 13 2010 06:23 zeks wrote:On December 13 2010 06:06 LSB wrote:
AFAIK Zeks is also increadibly scummy in the other games he plays. What other games have I been scum in? LOL are you just agreeing you are scum? Where the hell are you getting that from? What? im not good at English but you just wrote:
What other games have I been scum in?
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On December 13 2010 12:34 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2010 12:27 BrownBear wrote: Youch. So tree.hugger either voltorb'd one of the two other deaths (probably jcarlson) or he forgot to place one.
Well, that sucks. Pretty sure if someone died from voltorb's they would be reported as such. It was stated that no one died from the one that exploded. That's generally how mad hatters work. Kinda strange that you didn't know that...you've played enough games lol There is only one smart bomb an electrode could place day 1 given our circumstances. Just add zeks gameplay to get it.
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On December 14 2010 08:18 zeks wrote:I'm really wondering if this was truly random or some meaning to it. You're doing no one any good from RNGing these lists - (Voltorb on decon and tree.hugger really?) ONE and for someone who wanted me dead so badly I'd suspect you put me on the Rolecheck list (unless you think I'm the Godfather) or at least the Voltorb list. The whole purpose of you posting that was to try to wrongly dictate blue moves (very anti-town). Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 15:37 Hesmyrr wrote:
Okay, I do have to address before I go away. What is purpose of randomizing either of three actions again, when good PR can yield better results by intelligent decision making? Also wtf are you producing random results when you can simply tell the PR to use RNG to determine their results, which is FAR better method than using this "random" result of yours. TWO
Although I think this is somewhat suspicious too as Hesmyrr was on the rolecheck list and immediately he tried to dismiss Gabriel's random lists' validity - perhaps he has something to hide.
Overall RNGing your actions is terrible so I don't know why its been suggested. Make informative decisions! THREE Listen to the sound arguments, protect our assets and punish the suspicious.
I am getting extremely suspicious of you Gabriel after looking at the people who died and their posts. Out of the initial 6 people who were threatening you, by far FOUR jcarlson and Meapak had the most compelling arguments, with Kenpachi being aggressive; quite a coincidence that they're all dead now.
In fact the other 3 that had voted for you:dinsmab: In your list you wanted to bomb him Eiii: Heavy retaliation against his accusation - and he's in your list of DT check (trying to suggest he's scum) FIVE
Brocket: Don't remember what you've done to him but plenty of people trying to discredit him as a poster by calling him a fake-newb/smurf whatever - I actually think he's pretty logical in his posting. SIX
Basically you've got rid of / placed suspicion on everyone who voted for you in the beginning.
SEVEN On top of that right as you get heat you divert it all to me based on a couple of weak slip-ups and immediately you bandwagons gone. As you best put it:
Three posts later im the cleanest guy in the town. Throw me a bone here please.
When Gabriel gets bandwagoned people say they have trouble understanding why and that the arguments were weak EIGHT
When I get bandwagoned he becomes god and no one questions his accusations against me.
Fair enough I hope this gives you guys a reason to give this guy a vote tonight And should we vote in double lynch?
ONE: There was no need to voltorb or RC you night one. Unfortunately I was not convincing enough to lynch you mostly because players have tendency to take the game personal. As an example Jcarlsoniv took it personal and every attack he made on me was wrong based (page 20). The reason why we dont need a RC nor voltorb on you is because you should be lynched today without further add on.
TWO: Hesmyrr is claiming now. That can still be a mafia ploy so i find interesting that he "just" claimed now. Ill just let it go for now. Hesmyrrs replacement is by no means cleared yet.
THREE: Actually i know i am egocentric but my argument on you (page 19) is way ahead of tree.huggers argument on KEN because his was based on stupid/no content posting from Ken while mine was based on solid "mafia like posting" analysis on you. Again I dont have the name or appeal to seduce most of the mob at once, but rest assured Ver and Ace would be proud of my analysis on you under their belts. However that is just a look back. Before my last line you are going to have a solid soundy argument to warrant that you vote to lynch yourself.
FOUR: Jcarlsonivs argument was air as soon as i agreed on a single point on him. Read back and get the conversation. Jcarsoniv had nothing but an angry face after that and a few fos to eat himself (YOU sir are more... blah blah blah). (page 20)
Meapak_Ziphhs argument was so compelling that he ended up voting zeks alongside with me.
Kenpachi never had a chance to argue against me other than ("i dont like your vote on Infundibulum"). Again I was actually trying to prevent Ken to get lynched.
They are all dead. True. Do you feel like im the one pulling the strings just as the game starts? I just had to step foward and put myself in the line because "maybe" if i managed to defend i could actually win town trust (in a pm blocked town none the less) and at the same time, maybe, i can then kill people accusing me/not agreeing me so i can still be on the spotlight. No words.
FIVE: Null read on Brocket for now. Interesting that you write about him as he votes me.
SIX: This is false. I had the right read on Jcarsoniv and Ken. I never deflected back on Jcarsoniv against him. I let go Kenpachi quite easily after i pulled him. It was tree.hugger the one that came out of nowhere with Ken (and I addressed that Zeks was a better target). I even posted this in my analysis on you:
I believe defending myself is not really needed so im keeping my reasons to myself. On the lynch Gabriel bandwagon we *may* actually have some mafia but im inclined to believe most of them are town alligned people. I dont want to go further. In return i present a better case for active lynching. (page 19 on zeks)
SEVEN: But hey: i took every hit on me. Each one of them. Like a warrior. Never diverted, I simply took them as a man and in the end there was no more than dust and the angry kids yielling "...I still dont like his posting... waaaa".
However this quote on me is indicative of MAFIA: you took a post directed to Eiis lack of consistance and placed it out of context. This is actually another big tell on you. (just another one). Post on Eiis is on page 24.
EIGHT: This is again the most basic mafia defensive argument. You sir never got bandwagoned. There is a STRONG lead that your posts are mafia like style, nobody has actually questioned my argument. (read again my post) because it is actually plain logic. You are still the best target post analysis wise Zeks.
Now i just want to add thigs others already pointed(credit to them)
Tree.hugger on Zeks after Ken flipped.
On December 13 2010 06:46 tree.hugger wrote:(on convo with DarthThienAn): ...My problem is that I thought it was pretty obvious that Kenpachi was town BEFORE he flipped. Like I said, he posts like crap or "scummy" but "scummy" posting =/= scum. More often, it's townies who have contradictory posts and poor logic and all those other things (to an extent). It's better to look for people who say stuff like "This thread needs more analysis" and then they don't offer any of their own, or people who drop in and say "this person looks kinda scummy, this person looks kinda scummy" and then they disappear after that. For example, I voted for zeks day 1 because his posts are. for the most part, neutral/non-committal. The "kinda sorta maybe" posting is the kind that I'd consider scummy. Also people who say one thing in the thread, but then "change their minds" at the end of the day and vote for someone without a solid reason.... The whole reason why I voted for Kenpachi was because he was acting in exactly that manner. I certainly agree that Zeks is suspicious, but I didn't change my vote because there was no reason to prioritize one over the other. However, if yesterday he had said this...Show nested quote +On December 13 2010 06:23 zeks wrote:On December 13 2010 06:06 LSB wrote: AFAIK Zeks is also increadibly scummy in the other games he plays. What other games have I been scum in?
GGQ on Zeks
On December 13 2010 10:51 GGQ wrote:(previous convo with LSB) ...But I'll talk about something that seems really important to me that nobody is discussing: Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 12:38 zeks wrote: I think I'm dead ?
Oceanic meapak Hesmyrr infundibulum
Please take a good look at these people especially infun. Votes came off him way too easily and the people who voted for him got mobbed immediately for the dumbest reasons. Cheers and at least u didnt get a blue Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 12:43 zeks wrote:after the FoS on me no one even bothered to post once to defend me These posts are obviously intended to be seen as the point of view of a green who believes he's been lynched and is giving his last words. However, when I made my vote (which turned out to be the last one), the most recent votecount (which has since been edited to show the final votecount...) showed Kenpachi leading over zeks by two votes, and after that votecount there were three votes for Kenpachi and four for zeks. My vote was 40 minutes before zeks' "I'm dead" post, which gives him plenty of time to count the votes and add some small numbers together and see that Kenpachi was getting lynched, not him. (There is the fact that KtheZ voted zeks twice because he forgot to 'unvote' the first time, but even then the vote would be a tie and Kenpachi would still have been lynched). I have a hard time believing that zeks could miscount the votes so badly with his life on the line. I think these posts really force us to polarize our view on zeks.
You either believe that he's an innocent pikachu who fails at simple math, or that he's confirmed TR because no town role would fake those posts. I strongly feel that he's scum.
Absolutely true. GGQ picked it right there: He was the last voter and a townie would have never ever missed he is NOT the one getting lynched and coming out with the ("good im not blue" line) or that "suspicious list". Note that im not on the list!
NEW EVIDENCE:
On December 11 2010 23:36 LSB wrote: People who haven't posted yet. (To Be Modkilled) 2. BrownBear 6. DarthThienAn 7. StormTemplar 12. ghrur .... (plus other lists) I'm supporting the Kenpachi lynch because I don't like how quickly Jcarlsoniv turned it into a bandwagon. On December 12 2010 05:00 zeks wrote: ...(trying hard to come and answer my points)...
Gabriel querys zeks: Why did you actually change your vote without a "fair inactive list" just as you said you would do?
I actually voted Stormtemplar after LSB made the inactive list. What I meant by "fair" was to have the list made after the first day to give people a chance to post if they haven't.
On December 11 2010 05:31 zeks wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Stormtemplar Is it me or that is just a LIE? i dont know how I (we) didnt note that you actually voted stormtemplar before LSB lists appeared. Here, take your brick on the face.
TL;DR
Post contains: - A lot of ego. - A lot of logic bashing, actually is quite graphic. - Another big mafia tell: taking posts out of context to place an argument. - Treehuggers agreement that he would have voted Zeks. - New tells from Zeks posting. They actually tell he is playing against the town (goodbye post). - Facts and a lie. Townies even bad ones dont lie.
Vote zeks.
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On December 14 2010 13:22 Brocket wrote: Guys Gab voted on Hesmyrr who mafia already know is town (assuming Hesmyrr is telling the truth).
Kenpachi and Jcarl were on the right track, Ima vote for Gabriel for day 2.Darth you can vote for me, whatever.
- Really? How do you know Hesmyrr is town? - Did you actually read my vote and the timestamp? - How old are you? (im not kidding this is important for me). - I mean look at the underlined statement.
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On December 14 2010 17:06 Brocket wrote: I have a beef with 2 people at the moment.
Gabriel:
You're voting zeks. Your original reason was because he acted relatively inactive so is suspicious. That was your strongest argument. It's now void. Good luck getting people to agree with you now.
You originally voted for Hesmyrr. You have only recently read the thread with the sufficient degree of comprehension to make the reasonable assumption that he is a townie. Congratulations, but your first vote on Hesmyrr now looks random and out of place and even winding back to when you posted that vote, it still didn't make sense.
You have not changed at all since the start of the day 1 and frankly your shaky arguments and even worse counter arguments do not sit well with me. Let's see if you can take it 'like a man, like a warrior' again and see how much dust you can stand today.
@ Darth "Huge epeen" ThienAn.
You have had sufficient time to contemplate my posts. You've scrutinised my posts on two seperate occasions. I can tell you and everybody a simple fact . If you keep aggressively focusing on one person then that's all that your posts become. Which means it is easy to not give away anything about yourself. So you are at an easy position picking apart everything I say. Despite your huge e-peen, you still have not voted against me. Since you haven't backed up your words with action, you are not as big as you think, friend Darth-Thien-An.
I've already told me that what I post is as clear as I can make it. Nobody apart from yourself and Gabe have failed to understand me.
Speachless. I can not actually tell if you are just trolling me or if this post is for real. I mean, you just made it, i can not argue you. Congratulations go ahead be free... </3
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God. Brb im gonna cut my tongue. Seriously, im not posting until day 3 post. >
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On December 16 2010 13:20 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 13:16 kitaman27 wrote:On December 14 2010 14:33 Gabriel wrote: TWO: Hesmyrr is claiming now. That can still be a mafia ploy so i find interesting that he "just" claimed now. Ill just let it go for now. Hesmyrrs replacement is by no means cleared yet.
Now that Hesmyrr/Pandain has taken the second hit, we know that he was indeed telling the truth. Here Gabriel discredits the hit claim to prevent the existence of a town confirmed member. Why would Hesmyrr claim taking a hit if he was mafia? That doesn't make sense. While I believe he stated that in a poor manner, Gabriel is technically right, however unlikely the situation is. Hesmyrr could have been mewtwo, which would be a great way to get into the town's confirmed list. Mafia could've stacked hits on someone, then had hesmyrr claim, to get him confirmed. While both options are highly unlikely, there are possibilities. Highly likely but not fully confirmed would've been a better way to put it. There was also another way to see it:
I assumed wrongly that it was smart (from tree.huggers perspective) to bomb zeks first night in the plan to come foward claiming to stop lynching zeks next day and to bomb another player that night (maybe me) and then call for protection. Since the bomb never triggered i managed the chances that zeks was m2 (wich actually paired his defensive posting).
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Im just closing my eyes right now. Voting Shockeyy and Double Lynch because we are not going anywhere if we fail or hit anyways. Bomb on me would be incredibly hot because we get rid of another "suspect" and then electrode may come foward asking for protection. (Im assuming there is another one and than there is already a bomb somewhere). My reason to vote shockeyy: Amber and my actual apathy to my own analysis.
Feel free to propose better lynches, im not giving up on Double lynch thou.
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On December 16 2010 14:15 Brocket wrote: Nobody else claiming to take the hit?
Also hesmyrr was replaced by pandain right? So essentially the vet took two hits. Maybe the 1st time was an explosion and this time by mafia.
Also d3 claims to take the 4th hit. How would you know? If a medic protects you from an attack, would you be notified? Doubtful. I'm guessing d3 is most likely mewtwo. At this stage mewtwo would do well to eliminate would be mafias now since townie death rate is way too high.
Also Amber did some scummy behaviour creating a 3rd quick wagon when the day was ending. I just didn't think it was good play. Can the real towns people not do this in the future? Should we continue discussion Shockey?
Gabe has missed the votes twice. He has posted much less frequently since day 1 maybe because I've been pretty hard on him. But I'm taking it as scum behaviour. Post some more gabe.
O.T.I.O.
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On December 17 2010 12:55 ShoCkeyy wrote: Im going to vote for double lynch when we know for sure who's scum and who's not. I don't want to go off and double lynch two townies or two blues and then the town is fucked, because people like lsb doesn't know how to post anything that is worth meaning. I wish i could post more, but as i am out of town again and posting from my phone till tomorrow night when im able to get in front of a computer. Like i said, look at lsb, he's been "trying " to control the town and only has really put input only to me and says to lynch me. The reason why he keeps trying to lynch me is cause i hit a soft spot Seriously, move back to your pokeball, there is no way to "know for sure" who is TR or not. We are voting DL because we are fucked now. I rather let a selfclaimed m2 to live, and that means we lynch you at this stage.
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On December 18 2010 04:28 Brocket wrote: BROCKET HAS ARRIVED.
EVENTS that townies should give a shit about:
D3 claims to be mewtwo. Town is COOL with this. WE LOVE m2. Why? Because if townies lose then m2 loses at this stage since zero mafia are dead. Also Mafia have zero ways of killing m2 except by vote. Look at this. LOOK AT IT.
d3_crescentia DCLXVI Kavdragon Eiii BrownBear deconduo
You must vote one of these guys. Any of them. Shockeyy could be the 6th but not sure.
My suggestion is, hop onto the god damn DC wagon or else I'm going to suss you out next, got it? ##VOTE double lynch. ##Vote DCLXVI. You KNOW it makes sense. Make the mafia fail in killing m2, kill a mafia, get 2 lynches for next day. Why the hell would you NOT do it and spread our votes between shockeyy, gabe, LSB. What the fuck?
Get with the program pikachus. HRRRRRRNNNGGGGHHH. It actually doesnt make sense when most of the votes are on shockeyy (likely mafia) and deconduo changed his vote to shockeyy. I think people not voting yet are: Tube, Node and Chaoser. Please hoster update the opening post with people remaining/roles.
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Also remember that Shokeyy is not voting yet (I mean he has a placeholder on LSB). I am giving d3 100% credit on his claim because at this point if he was mafia then the real sk should have step foward anyways (because he is going to lose against TR).
tube, Node, chaoser, GGQ, Infundibulum, kitaman27, ghrur to vote yet.
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F U C K Y E A H ! NOW I CAN POST MORE CRAZY STUFF. . . . . not really, just inmensely happy that we got shockeyy and that "somehow" that clears myself.
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Can we please get an updated second post DH?? please?? and where are the modks?
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On December 18 2010 14:02 DCLXVI wrote: Wow, there was certainly quite a bit of action while I was away. Directed at me I see Brocket starting a bandwagon with kitaman/node/chaoser buying into it with reasons given. Then again, Brocket's reasoning was "he is suss", so I guess they can just throw their votes on too. LSB then tries to get a plan together to lynch me based on that terrible fake role claim by shockeyy (yeah it is easier for me to see now but what were you guys thinking? Last minute "don't lynch me Im a doc" is so overused.) LSB posted that the brocketwagon could've been a mafia ploy to pull people off shockeyy, and kitaman/node/chaoser have been pretty inactive and no opinions for a while. My guess is that if LSB is right about that, then brocket is red along with 1-2 of the K/N/C crew. Hopefully node will flip red and this will prove likely, but we need to wait for Doc to update. LSB's plan seems hasty and bloodthirsty, and I for one am not a fan of it. Still, he is probably going to die tonight so I won't bother to much about it since it didn't attract much attention. So if I were to predict the people to die tonight, I would guess LSB, Brocket, Insanious, and someone else who has suspected me, since that is all that ever happens at night. Seriously, everyone points fingers at me then dies at night >_>. When the dust settles we will probably have about 3 active townies +d3 to line up the lynch targets for tomorrow (if they are still alive): Me, deconduo, brocket, d3???, 10 lurkers...
@ Gabriel - I'm not so sure of LSB calling you mostly cleared, since your posting habits have changed so much over the game. You went from being aggressive and having options to ...lurker? I can't recall you having an opinion on anything since you were a lynch target. What happened?
I just said that im somehow less mafia like in terms of voting activity. I have less time to play and my first days activity was expected to decrease anyways. Im interested in Brocket calling to lynch you. He insisted:
On December 18 2010 04:28 Brocket wrote: BROCKET HAS ARRIVED.
EVENTS that townies should give a shit about:
D3 claims to be mewtwo. Town is COOL with this. WE LOVE m2. Why? Because if townies lose then m2 loses at this stage since zero mafia are dead. Also Mafia have zero ways of killing m2 except by vote. Look at this. LOOK AT IT.
d3_crescentia DCLXVI Kavdragon Eiii BrownBear deconduo
You must vote one of these guys. Any of them. Shockeyy could be the 6th but not sure.
My suggestion is, hop onto the god damn DC wagon or else I'm going to suss you out next, got it? ##VOTE double lynch. ##Vote DCLXVI. You KNOW it makes sense. Make the mafia fail in killing m2, kill a mafia, get 2 lynches for next day. Why the hell would you NOT do it and spread our votes between shockeyy, gabe, LSB. What the fuck?
Get with the program pikachus. HRRRRRRNNNGGGGHHH.
Now that you are asking me about my activity i think it is time to start the guns against this guy. It actually doesnt make any sense at all, we knew D3 was m2 with like 99% likeness, and that shockeyy was being pushed on the block from the town side. (amberlight-lsb).
He starts asking to vote one of DCs voters to "protect D3". Then he asks to vote DC. He is actually asking you NOT to vote shockeyy. I know mafia can roleblock d3 tonight (and that he is more than likely to be blocked). However: can you just try to flip him d3? just try?
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@Brocket: Since you dont make any sense at all im going to ask you a very easy question: How do you feel about lynching dimnsab tomorrow? He has been an actual lurker all game long and seems to be interested into let the game just go as long as he is alive. Do you think he is mafia?
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On December 19 2010 03:03 Brocket wrote: I want to echo what LSB said very recently:
Major Assumption. DCXLIV is green Way to confirm without killing DCXLIV: If Brocket is red, this could be an easy way to confirm.
Wow. Let's go ahead and sweeten the deal. If I get lynched. And I'm red. That must make you green too? And also gabe as well? Guaranteed right? Because I'm a nasty mafia gunning for you guys.
Can someone not me or lsb tell me which one of us is making sense? This is madness. You are getting so lynched tomorrow.
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