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On December 12 2010 12:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
RoL you are spamming now. Everyone ignore RoL, he's most likely someone who needs a particular event to happen i.e. he gets lynched or LSB gets lynched. We should really just focus on our choice for mayor and our first lynch. If elected I will lynch one of the mayor candidates except for RoL. I feel like RoL is a really dangerous lynch at this point because of possible third party motives. I've also been thinking about night actions. Our DT's (assuming we have them) should check RoL first and formost followed by LSB (if he doesn't get lynched day 1) and the mayor. Our medics (again assuming we have them) should protect themselves unless they have a really strong feeling that someone is blue (which at this point I don't so I don't have any advice for the medics). Any vigis (as always assuming we have them) should only use a hit if they can hit more than once, if you are a one shot only type of vigi I'd save your kill until we get in a situation where we have a confirmed red that we don't have enough lynches or time to kill.
I agree that the dts should check RoL, and me too.
Remember though, the DTs should also check the inactives. By inactives I mean the people who come into a thread, post once, vote once, and leave. There is no way to read these people, and tell the difference between inactives and lurking mafia.
Medics: The medics should protect vets and smurfs. This is where the mafia will hit night one, as they will try to take out the major players as soon as possible.
Vigs: Shoot the mayor if he lies. No questions.
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I'm going to concede my candidacy in favor of Meapak
Everyone Chant after me!
Mea-pak! Mea-pak! Mea-pak! Mea-pak!
+ Show Spoiler +In all seriousness, Meapak will host Open elections and we should start scumhunting soon
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Airbag, you got to consider the time it takes to find a good scum. We can't have the lynch rushed.
If I put my support behind a mayor, we can work on checking out .
Likewise, as LunarDestiny said, an open decision is best. Although RoL's intentions are pretty green. If we lynch me and then lynch RoL for hitting a green, that's two lynches we just wasted.
In addition, an open lynch allows for discussion from everyone, putting everyone in the spotlight, not just RoL.
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I believe we have a misunderstanding what an Open Decision is.
And Open Decision is when the town decides who to lynch.
My plan was an example of Open Decision, but with a hidden vote. Kindof like how it is done in RAM.
Between RoL, Deconduo, and Meapak, I trust Meapak to propose an open decision.
RoL has this weird "i'm going to lynch LSB without any thought" which I've addressed
Deconduo has been inactive, and who knows what he's going to do, and I don't want a sudden "Surprise! I'm mafia!"
Do you truly want to spend more time on the Mayoral elections?
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Yeah, because there is totally more pressure now than there was ever on me before </sarcasm>
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All right a few things about my mayoral campaign.
1) I've always been open about how I will be accountable for not manipulating the vote
On December 11 2010 11:38 LSB wrote:What will I do as mayor I will hold a secrete ballot for the first elections. And I will post who voted for who afterwards. You know, mafia loves to redirect the first election? This will make it harder for them to. This is important for many reasons. Say we're going to lynch inactives. One is mafia, one is town Mafia: "Yo! Lets bandwagon this guy!" Town: "We'll their both inactive so I guess I'll vote for the town" Annul: "You guys lynched a townie. Sheep =P" Now. Imagine my system LSB: "Person A and Person B are inactive, please send me pm for who you vote for" Town sends PMs. Each person has about a 50% chance of dieng. Mafia doesn't have that much influence. Annul: "This person is mafia! Woot Woot!" In addition, I will not be able to influence the vote because I will post who voted for who afterwards. So if you see something messed up, you can call me out of it. (Of course, this also means that we got a great way to catch mafia).
On December 11 2010 12:10 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 12:04 CubEdIn wrote:On December 11 2010 11:58 LSB wrote:On December 11 2010 11:51 CubEdIn wrote:On December 11 2010 11:38 LSB wrote:What will I do as mayor I will hold a secrete ballot for the first elections. And I will post who voted for who afterwards. You know, mafia loves to redirect the first election? This will make it harder for them to. This is important for many reasons. Say we're going to lynch inactives. One is mafia, one is town Mafia: "Yo! Lets bandwagon this guy!" Town: "We'll their both inactive so I guess I'll vote for the town" Annul: "You guys lynched a townie. Sheep =P" Now. Imagine my system LSB: "Person A and Person B are inactive, please send me pm for who you vote for" Town sends PMs. Each person has about a 50% chance of dieng. Mafia doesn't have that much influence. Annul: "This person is mafia! Woot Woot!" In addition, I will not be able to influence the vote because I will post who voted for who afterwards. So if you see something messed up, you can call me out of it. (Of course, this also means that we got a great way to catch mafia). Let me tell you the loophole in your plan there, buddy. Say you're mafia. People choose two people to lynch, townie and mafia. You rig the "anonymous" votes and lynch the townie, even though most people voted for the mafia. You can never be checked/blamed for that since people agreed to secret votes. So yeah, that's not gonna be in the best interest of town IMO. In addition, I will not be able to influence the vote because I will post who voted for who afterwards. So if you see something messed up, you can call me out of it. (Of course, this also means that we got a great way to catch mafia). People will be like, "YOU ARE WRONG!" if I try to manipulate votes. Oh right, I didn't read that part, but it still gives you a certain degree of manipulation by hiding some mafia votes, if you are mafia. Like say the townie is winning by 7 votes, you switch 3 of the mafia votes to hide them, the difference is less significant, town is more confused. Just saying tho, I don't really care since it's just one night. Firstly, vote manipulation is always done by the mafia. In public it can be done easily. All the mafia has to do is make sure they either vote for other people or push a townie bandwagon. In private, they won't be able to predict who is going to be lynched. Secondly, if I'm mafia, you can examine the votes a wee bit more carefully. This way you'll have a better indication of who is mafia. See? Even if I'm mafia it's better for you! Thirdly, I'll accept someone to be the 'auditor' who also recieves votes
On December 11 2010 12:47 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 12:17 Beneather wrote:On December 11 2010 12:14 Thegilaboy wrote:On December 11 2010 12:10 LSB wrote:On December 11 2010 12:04 CubEdIn wrote:On December 11 2010 11:58 LSB wrote:On December 11 2010 11:51 CubEdIn wrote:On December 11 2010 11:38 LSB wrote:What will I do as mayor I will hold a secrete ballot for the first elections. And I will post who voted for who afterwards. You know, mafia loves to redirect the first election? This will make it harder for them to. This is important for many reasons. Say we're going to lynch inactives. One is mafia, one is town Mafia: "Yo! Lets bandwagon this guy!" Town: "We'll their both inactive so I guess I'll vote for the town" Annul: "You guys lynched a townie. Sheep =P" Now. Imagine my system LSB: "Person A and Person B are inactive, please send me pm for who you vote for" Town sends PMs. Each person has about a 50% chance of dieng. Mafia doesn't have that much influence. Annul: "This person is mafia! Woot Woot!" In addition, I will not be able to influence the vote because I will post who voted for who afterwards. So if you see something messed up, you can call me out of it. (Of course, this also means that we got a great way to catch mafia). Let me tell you the loophole in your plan there, buddy. Say you're mafia. People choose two people to lynch, townie and mafia. You rig the "anonymous" votes and lynch the townie, even though most people voted for the mafia. You can never be checked/blamed for that since people agreed to secret votes. So yeah, that's not gonna be in the best interest of town IMO. In addition, I will not be able to influence the vote because I will post who voted for who afterwards. So if you see something messed up, you can call me out of it. (Of course, this also means that we got a great way to catch mafia). People will be like, "YOU ARE WRONG!" if I try to manipulate votes. Oh right, I didn't read that part, but it still gives you a certain degree of manipulation by hiding some mafia votes, if you are mafia. Like say the townie is winning by 7 votes, you switch 3 of the mafia votes to hide them, the difference is less significant, town is more confused. Just saying tho, I don't really care since it's just one night. Firstly, vote manipulation is always done by the mafia. In public it can be done easily. All the mafia has to do is make sure they either vote for other people or push a townie bandwagon. In private, they won't be able to predict who is going to be lynched. Secondly, if I'm mafia, you can examine the votes a wee bit more carefully. This way you'll have a better indication of who is mafia. See? Even if I'm mafia it's better for you! Thirdly, I'll accept someone to be the 'auditor' who also recieves votes Would we vote for this auditor too, or would you be picking them? What is this auditor position and what is it worth to us? Whatever it is it should be voted from the town, if the MoM does choose it could be a fellow Mafia and both would have the biggest influence on the town. How about 2nd place in the mayor elections become with auditor? Here's how I imagine it would work. I would compare the votes that I get with the Auditor. If there is any discrepancies we can release it to the public/point out why. It further ensures the integrity of the private voting elections. Why private vote? Public vote is easily manipulated by the mafia. You will still be getting the same information, just our Day 1 vote will have a higher chance of hitting a mafia. + Show Spoiler +
If the town really really wants it, I can host alternative forms of votes.
Normal Voting
Reasoned Voting- You must give a good reason for your vote for it to be counted.
Runoff Elections- This way we get more information about people's voting patterns
2) I've Encouraged discussion on who to lynch. I've always proposed that I will follow town opinion.
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On December 13 2010 04:31 Barundar wrote:
There is too many inactives in this game. Experienced players have barely posted, and others haven’t posted at all. At this rate, I fear we won’t have enough posts to analyze after a lynch, in case we don’t hit a mafia.
We need to put pressure on the invisible players.
Chaoser has not posted a single post, but is active in pokemafia
Pandain he is usually so spammy?
Radfield no game related posts
Kenpachi awol since announcing he was running for major
Youngmini is he even in the game?
+ Ghote got called out by Thegilaboy without responding.
Most obvious scum: Chaoser and Pandain
Where are you?
This is the modkill list
ghrur
youngminii
chaoser
why (I hope why comes back and vote, maybe annul will be lenient since why was pretty active)
Mr. Zergling
Since Chaoser and Youngmini are going to be modkilled, we don't have to worry about them.
Kenpachi probably is trying to not seem skummy since he got lynched day 1 in Pokemon. Since he acts scummy when he is town, we can't read him
Radfield- Now this is very interesting... Well... just see if he dies night one. Golden Rule of Radfield! If Radfield dies night one, he is town. If not he is mafia.
That leaves Pandain. And Pandain seems to have disappeared from the state of the earth. I don't know if we should lynch him for it... but it is pretty strange given that he has the "spammiest player award"
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Does anyone see a character that might be aligned with Death Eaters but checks as town? Because both RoL and LSB seem to be begging for DT checks. I know someone said imperious curse and that makes me suspicious of both.
Snape seems like one of those characters.
Anyways, we should try to pick out the Death eaters in the list.
Lord Voldemort
Cho Chang
Bellatrix Lestrange
Gilderoy Lockhart
Cedric Diggory
Walden Macnair
Severus Snape
Albus Dumbledore
Poppy Pomfrey
Fenrir Greyback
Sibyl Trelawney
Firenze
Luna Lovegood
Ollivander
Draco Malfoy
Nymphadora Tonks
Ernie Prang
Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington
Mulciber
Parvati Patil
Padma Patil
Moaning Myrtle
Lucius Malfoy
Narcissa Malfoy
Violet
Harry Potter
Colin Creevey
Nicolas Flamel
Hermione Granger
Angelina Johnson
Roger Davies
That's only 5/8. Forgive my horrible Harry Potter Knowledge. Does anyone read the books much?
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Lord Voldemort
Cho Chang
Bellatrix Lestrange
Gilderoy Lockhart
Cedric Diggory
Walden Macnair
Severus Snape
Albus Dumbledore
Poppy Pomfrey
Fenrir Greyback
Sibyl Trelawney
Firenze
Luna Lovegood
Ollivander
Draco Malfoy
Nymphadora Tonks
Ernie Prang
Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington
Mulciber
Parvati Patil
Padma Patil
Moaning Myrtle
Lucius Malfoy
Narcissa Malfoy
Violet
Harry Potter
Colin Creevey
Nicolas Flamel
Hermione Granger
Angelina Johnson
Roger Davies
For the list of Death Eaters
I think it's pretty obvious that Parvati Patil and Padma Patil are either Siblings or Masons.
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On December 11 2010 13:07 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 10:28 annul wrote:
THREE MORE IMPORTANT FACTS:
1. there are some number of smurfs in this game. be aware.
2. pay very close attention to the final line of every cycle change post. helpful hint.
3. a reminder from the OP: if a player has a special ability, it will be somewhat related to their character/entity. in this way, a large number of possible roles can already be guessed at. google is awesomesauce. not all players have special abilities, even ones that may be "obvious" to have power roles. Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 10:02 annul wrote:
Hello! I am NotAnnul, your tour guide throughout wizarding Britain!
Welcome to Hogsmeade, the wizarding city. Stores line the streets, such as Dervish and Banges,
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As of day 1, there are 8 living players loyal to the Death Eaters, the Death Eater kill power is 3, and there are 10 living players with potential alternate victories remaining. So, our helpful hint is that there are 10 people out of 31 with alternate win conditions. This is almost 1/3 players with ulterior motives. I'm glad the mayor doesn't have much power. It's great to have mayoral elections so there's something to talk about day one (other than lynching the inactives lol), but I don't trust anyone putting themselves out there for mayor. As for LSB's plan-- If LSB is mafia, the plan can be abused by mafia by manipulating votes as normal (same as a public vote, except worse because people won't have to post their reasoning). If the auditor is also red, scum can manipulate the reported result as well. If LSB is town, but the auditor is red, death eaters can still manipulate the votes as normal. Only if both LSB and auditor are pro town do we get any benefit from this plan. Actually, the auditor makes the odds worse... So, interesting idea, LSB, but it relies too much on us having to trust you.
Although this seems like a large post. Take a look at it closely. It doesn’t state anything.
First Aidani is trying to seem like he is contributing to the town by discussing the setup. Two paragraphs that are junk and basically irrelevant to the game.
Next he proceeds to criticize the plan. Although it seems like real though. Take note. All these points were already brought up before or are already addressed
Aidani in this post is doing nothing but making a façade of analysis
On December 12 2010 05:56 aidnai wrote:
Meapak's summary of MoM candidates is not very accurate. It's more like
-LSB advocates private votes for lynch. There may be advantages or disadvantages, which town can discuss
-A few others advocate public (normal) votes for lynch. This completely trivializes the MoM position.
-A few others are trying to pressure or disrupt by making their platform a specific lynch.
I like what LSB is doing. I don't see how his option is necessarily worse than the other options, and it has the added benefit of generating day 1 discussion.
On the other hand, if we vote for 'someone who will listen to the town', we might as well forget there even is a MoM. Just RNG a mayor, vote as normal for a lynch, lynch the mayor day 2 if he fails to comply.
RoL's tactic would look better to me if he would provide some justification. RoL, you need to be able to convince town that there is something to your hunches.
Firstly, he completely reversed his position on my plan. Very wishy washy. But he’s doing this without actually taking a position. All he says is “there are some good some bad”. Looks like he’s avoiding the issue.
Note one thing, non of the top candidates for the mayor are mafia. I’m getting a green read on Meapak, and I still believe that RoL is Mayor.
There doesn’t seem to be a way for the mafia to take the mayorship. Aidnai then says “How about we RNG a mayor?”
Yeah… Aidnai is trying to get us to trust him with who should be mayor. And just watch, he’ll ‘randomly’ choose someone who happens to be scum.
On December 12 2010 17:52 aidnai wrote:Meapak, you have my vote. We've spent a lot of time discussing the candidacy of LSB and RoL. What about deconduo? Here's his posts so far: Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 00:25 deconduo wrote:I'm going to run for MoM as well. I'm not veteran, but I have played a few games. I'm not going to hold a vote for who to lynch, but I will listen to peoples advice and make my own decision. I feel this way I am pretty transparent, and its much more difficult for mafia to manipulate the lynch. So vote for me  Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 01:44 deconduo wrote:On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! If you are gonna help us win anyway, why do we need you as mayor?  Vote for me instead. Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 02:28 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:05 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! I died night 1 in 'And Then There Were None'..... And didn't town lose that game?? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it went down to a 3-way between me LSB and you. I voted for you and you voted for me, then LSB hammered us both. We both died, LSB was last man standing and won. Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 03:04 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:55 Pandain wrote:
what powers does mayor have? Picks first day lynch, thats all. No bodyguards or anything. Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 05:44 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 04:39 Radfield wrote:On December 12 2010 02:28 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:05 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! I died night 1 in 'And Then There Were None'..... And didn't town lose that game?? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it went down to a 3-way between me LSB and you. I voted for you and you voted for me, then LSB hammered us both. We both died, LSB was last man standing and won. That was Rastaban I think. You killed me night one, at the very least you sent me a PM apologizing Yah my mistake. I got mixed up between you two. Was a fun game though Announces candidacy, plugs candidacy, then gets side tracked for three posts--not much of a campaign imo. Yet he was able to garner votes from Jackal58, ilovejonn, and CubEdIn. Why did you three vote for such a non-chalant candidate? Especially Jackal58 and ilovejonn, who are both lurking pretty hard-core.
Doesn't actually do much. It's like he's trying to get other people to do analysis on Deconduo without putting an opinion himself
+ Show Spoiler [Irrelevant Smurf Stuff] +On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. On December 11 2010 14:42 aidnai wrote:
Alright, we have a few smurfs.
The true identities have not been revealed so the smurf is doing its job.
The mod and players are aware that there are smurfs, so we know not to talk about the game with people outside the thread.
Can we all be happy with this? I don't think Annul should learn the identity of the smurfs, since that would give him a leg up in future games.... On December 12 2010 02:53 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 23:15 Jackal58 wrote:On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. My first game. And I'm already making an impression. Scum right there folks. 'What is a smurf?' Let me try to define it for you. - Joined TL.net november 14 - Requested access to the mafia forum november 14 - Posted nowhere else except this game Rather than argue details about past games, here's a policy we could discuss right now: LAL. On December 12 2010 03:13 aidnai wrote:
Ok, i'm sorry for bringing up smurfs again. Smurf or not *actually* wasn't the main point of post--it's just strange to me that an honest-to-god newbie has no other question about the game than 'what is a smurf'. He looked suspicious, so I wanted to see how/if he reacted. This is just Aidnai trying to seem like he is active and contributing to the game, talking about a subject that doesn't matter at all
+ Show Spoiler [Minor, Unimportant posts] +On December 11 2010 14:50 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 14:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
<3 sorry I will stop with the argument! I would rather establish smurfs with alternate play styles and run with a few different accounts than constantly making new names and asking for access and jumping through all the hoops that go with that -__-;
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on topic.
vote for me if you want, I will kill LSB day one! That is my platform.
Legit, that is my platform. Upon being elected I will kill LSB, vote for me. rofl, you're screwed lsb! unless unfortunate complications arise causing RoL to excuse himself from the game. Actually, I really would love to hear your reasoning on this, rebirth-of-sherlock-fucking-holmes... Question/spamish post. Not much can be gleaned On December 12 2010 03:00 aidnai wrote:
From D1 post:
On day one, you must vote for a Minister for Magic. Note above the thirty-one eligible candidates. There are thirty-one players. Coincidence? Nope! The Minister will have no further powers beyond day one (no bodyguards, et cetera) and his only game power will be to decide the day one kill. Election will end at 7 PM EST on Sunday, December 12. The kill submission must come before 9 PM EST the same day. Vote for Minister in the voting thread. Not much here either
Conclusion
Aidnai is mafia, trying to avoid topics and pretend to be active.
##Lynch: Aidnai
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On December 13 2010 09:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I love the way you try to play the whole neutral card by trying to come off like you don't suspect me or meapak. Is your goal still to make everyone like you by playing nice nice while simultaneously misdirecting the town to bad lynches?
Lets not be townie on townie. All this is going to bring is wasted lynches.
I played with Aidnai last game, he gave off really obvious scumtells. This game he is letting off none of those tells and you are making a mountain out of a molehill. There is not really much to talk about day 1 so saying he said nothing pretty much summarizes all town actions apart from probably three players who generated the original content that was then regurgitated.
Yeah. And in Experimental Mafia Aidnai was mafia. That confirms that as scum he gives off these scumtells.
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On December 13 2010 09:13 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 09:32 LSB wrote:On December 12 2010 09:30 Airbag wrote:
I think there is probably an easy solution
maybe RoL is a VI so if someone is elected he shouldnt be lynched. i think instead a detective role should check him. if he is a scum then build a case and if he is a village idiot make sure he is not getting lynched
i think we should vote for meapak, beneather, or someone who will go with the flow of town. i dont want a mafia to manipulate this vote so that is the best thing to do. lsb's secret vote thing is just not good and he sent me some pms that make me feel a little uncomfortable to be quite honest What's uncomfortable about the PMs? You never responded! I've attached it for your convenience. + Show Spoiler +I'd rather not draw that much attention to myself...
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Original Message From LSB:
If you want, you can be the auditor.
The thing is, since I'm doing it, the mafia won't be able to slip in and and manipulate the vote.
Changing the voting record is also a problem with normal voting. All the mafia has to do is decide slightly earlier.
If you really don't like the private vote idea. (I take it the general sentiment is that they don't want it) We can do reasoned voting, or runoff voting
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Original Message From Airbag:
but if you are mafia it increases the ways in which you can manipulate the vote and it gives the mafia a long time to discuss how they'd like their voting record to look without ever having to appear wishy washy for changing it
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Original Message From LSB:
The issue is that people like to go with the bandwagon. It seems safer, and there is a false sense of security in voting with the majority.
Private votes allow each person to make their decision independently. It cuts off ways for the mafia to influence people.
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Original Message From Airbag:
I understand wanting to vote for a player with experience but you can just manipulate the votes if ur mafia
Why not just have people post their votes publicly, then it's completely impossible for you to lie about it. Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 09:34 Airbag wrote:isn't it suspicious that you omitted this part why not?
If you are blue, I understand. If you are green, you should do it to be a meat shield for other blues.
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Original Message From Airbag:
I'd rather not draw that much attention to myself... sounds like u want me to tell you if i am a good role or not so mafia can kill me for it? PMs are supposed to be private. If you're going to post it 1. You better have a good reason, and 2. You better post the whole conversation without any omissions or changes.That's the only way town can maintain its trust in PMs for it to be not posted and not manipulated to fake a red roleclaim. How can anyone who claims to be pro-town to do such a thing? This isn't a photoshop or a writing competition. If you start making up PMs, we go into a no-man's land where the reds can just laugh in the background as towns kill themselves. How can you be any redder? The last game someone posted their full PM conversations and subtly altered them was in Haunted Mafia, by Bill Murray. We all know how that ended up.
These Messages obviously don't need an extra level of secrecy. Blanket polices don't work.
I assumed Airbag's lack of response was confirmation that he was blue and didn't want to be noticed.
Although I did feel that his lack of response meant that he probably was red, I omitted it to see what he would do about it.
The fact that he did post that and drew attention to himself is quiet suspicious.
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On December 13 2010 09:21 ilovejonn wrote:
Btw, I read the rules over again and it says that you CANNOT vote for yourself. So what happens to the people (such as Pandain) that voted for themselves at the end and did not change their vote?
I believe that an exception is made for mayoral elections
On December 13 2010 09:17 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2010 09:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Ok people here are my possible targets: DeconduoI've already explained why I think he should be lynched. AidnaiHe's the person who I've been keeping an eye on and LSB did a very good analyis of him + Show Spoiler +On December 13 2010 09:00 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:07 aidnai wrote:On December 11 2010 10:28 annul wrote:
THREE MORE IMPORTANT FACTS:
1. there are some number of smurfs in this game. be aware.
2. pay very close attention to the final line of every cycle change post. helpful hint.
3. a reminder from the OP: if a player has a special ability, it will be somewhat related to their character/entity. in this way, a large number of possible roles can already be guessed at. google is awesomesauce. not all players have special abilities, even ones that may be "obvious" to have power roles. On December 11 2010 10:02 annul wrote:
Hello! I am NotAnnul, your tour guide throughout wizarding Britain!
Welcome to Hogsmeade, the wizarding city. Stores line the streets, such as Dervish and Banges,
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As of day 1, there are 8 living players loyal to the Death Eaters, the Death Eater kill power is 3, and there are 10 living players with potential alternate victories remaining. So, our helpful hint is that there are 10 people out of 31 with alternate win conditions. This is almost 1/3 players with ulterior motives. I'm glad the mayor doesn't have much power. It's great to have mayoral elections so there's something to talk about day one (other than lynching the inactives lol), but I don't trust anyone putting themselves out there for mayor. As for LSB's plan-- If LSB is mafia, the plan can be abused by mafia by manipulating votes as normal (same as a public vote, except worse because people won't have to post their reasoning). If the auditor is also red, scum can manipulate the reported result as well. If LSB is town, but the auditor is red, death eaters can still manipulate the votes as normal. Only if both LSB and auditor are pro town do we get any benefit from this plan. Actually, the auditor makes the odds worse... So, interesting idea, LSB, but it relies too much on us having to trust you. Although this seems like a large post. Take a look at it closely. It doesn’t state anything. First Aidani is trying to seem like he is contributing to the town by discussing the setup. Two paragraphs that are junk and basically irrelevant to the game. Next he proceeds to criticize the plan. Although it seems like real though. Take note. All these points were already brought up before or are already addressedAidani in this post is doing nothing but making a façade of analysis Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 05:56 aidnai wrote:
Meapak's summary of MoM candidates is not very accurate. It's more like
-LSB advocates private votes for lynch. There may be advantages or disadvantages, which town can discuss
-A few others advocate public (normal) votes for lynch. This completely trivializes the MoM position.
-A few others are trying to pressure or disrupt by making their platform a specific lynch.
I like what LSB is doing. I don't see how his option is necessarily worse than the other options, and it has the added benefit of generating day 1 discussion.
On the other hand, if we vote for 'someone who will listen to the town', we might as well forget there even is a MoM. Just RNG a mayor, vote as normal for a lynch, lynch the mayor day 2 if he fails to comply.
RoL's tactic would look better to me if he would provide some justification. RoL, you need to be able to convince town that there is something to your hunches. Firstly, he completely reversed his position on my plan. Very wishy washy. But he’s doing this without actually taking a position. All he says is “there are some good some bad”. Looks like he’s avoiding the issue. Note one thing, non of the top candidates for the mayor are mafia. I’m getting a green read on Meapak, and I still believe that RoL is Mayor. There doesn’t seem to be a way for the mafia to take the mayorship. Aidnai then says “How about we RNG a mayor?” Yeah… Aidnai is trying to get us to trust him with who should be mayor. And just watch, he’ll ‘randomly’ choose someone who happens to be scum. Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 17:52 aidnai wrote:Meapak, you have my vote. We've spent a lot of time discussing the candidacy of LSB and RoL. What about deconduo? Here's his posts so far: On December 12 2010 00:25 deconduo wrote:I'm going to run for MoM as well. I'm not veteran, but I have played a few games. I'm not going to hold a vote for who to lynch, but I will listen to peoples advice and make my own decision. I feel this way I am pretty transparent, and its much more difficult for mafia to manipulate the lynch. So vote for me On December 12 2010 01:44 deconduo wrote:On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! If you are gonna help us win anyway, why do we need you as mayor? Vote for me instead. On December 12 2010 02:28 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:05 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! I died night 1 in 'And Then There Were None'..... And didn't town lose that game?? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it went down to a 3-way between me LSB and you. I voted for you and you voted for me, then LSB hammered us both. We both died, LSB was last man standing and won. On December 12 2010 03:04 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:55 Pandain wrote:
what powers does mayor have? Picks first day lynch, thats all. No bodyguards or anything. On December 12 2010 05:44 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 04:39 Radfield wrote:On December 12 2010 02:28 deconduo wrote:On December 12 2010 02:05 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Mad that we haven't won a game for such a long time? Reason Number one two three four five: I win games for the town. There have been 5 recent town victories and I had a hand in all of them + Show Spoiler +Don't lose yo village: I put together the pieces and guarented victory And Then There Were None(RAM) I kill everyone else. And as town I win with Radfield TL Mafia XXX I come up with a giant plan that the town use and the mafia panics and kills me day one. Pick Your Power Mafia 2!: I picked traitor. As traitor I get our most important mafia member killed, and also the SK killed. Enough deaths meant the mafia lost Team Melee Mini Mafia II: As scum I am imediatly identified. Our team has one of the members claim doctor... and get killed. Our team then does a noobie mistake and looses. Simply put. I lose as Mafia. And as town I help the town win. Vote me for mayor if you want to win! I died night 1 in 'And Then There Were None'..... And didn't town lose that game?? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it went down to a 3-way between me LSB and you. I voted for you and you voted for me, then LSB hammered us both. We both died, LSB was last man standing and won. That was Rastaban I think. You killed me night one, at the very least you sent me a PM apologizing Yah my mistake. I got mixed up between you two. Was a fun game though Announces candidacy, plugs candidacy, then gets side tracked for three posts--not much of a campaign imo. Yet he was able to garner votes from Jackal58, ilovejonn, and CubEdIn. Why did you three vote for such a non-chalant candidate? Especially Jackal58 and ilovejonn, who are both lurking pretty hard-core. Doesn't actually do much. It's like he's trying to get other people to do analysis on Deconduo without putting an opinion himself + Show Spoiler [Irrelevant Smurf Stuff] +On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. On December 11 2010 14:42 aidnai wrote:
Alright, we have a few smurfs.
The true identities have not been revealed so the smurf is doing its job.
The mod and players are aware that there are smurfs, so we know not to talk about the game with people outside the thread.
Can we all be happy with this? I don't think Annul should learn the identity of the smurfs, since that would give him a leg up in future games.... On December 12 2010 02:53 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 23:15 Jackal58 wrote:On December 11 2010 13:47 aidnai wrote:On December 11 2010 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Wtf is a "smurf"?
Other than the obvious little blue cartoon people? Obvious smurf imo. My first game. And I'm already making an impression. Scum right there folks. 'What is a smurf?' Let me try to define it for you. - Joined TL.net november 14 - Requested access to the mafia forum november 14 - Posted nowhere else except this game Rather than argue details about past games, here's a policy we could discuss right now: LAL. On December 12 2010 03:13 aidnai wrote:
Ok, i'm sorry for bringing up smurfs again. Smurf or not *actually* wasn't the main point of post--it's just strange to me that an honest-to-god newbie has no other question about the game than 'what is a smurf'. He looked suspicious, so I wanted to see how/if he reacted. This is just Aidnai trying to seem like he is active and contributing to the game, talking about a subject that doesn't matter at all On December 11 2010 14:50 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 14:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
<3 sorry I will stop with the argument! I would rather establish smurfs with alternate play styles and run with a few different accounts than constantly making new names and asking for access and jumping through all the hoops that go with that -__-;
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on topic.
vote for me if you want, I will kill LSB day one! That is my platform.
Legit, that is my platform. Upon being elected I will kill LSB, vote for me. rofl, you're screwed lsb! unless unfortunate complications arise causing RoL to excuse himself from the game. Actually, I really would love to hear your reasoning on this, rebirth-of-sherlock-fucking-holmes... Question/spamish post. Not much can be gleaned On December 12 2010 03:00 aidnai wrote:
From D1 post:
On day one, you must vote for a Minister for Magic. Note above the thirty-one eligible candidates. There are thirty-one players. Coincidence? Nope! The Minister will have no further powers beyond day one (no bodyguards, et cetera) and his only game power will be to decide the day one kill. Election will end at 7 PM EST on Sunday, December 12. The kill submission must come before 9 PM EST the same day. Vote for Minister in the voting thread. Not much here either Aidnai is mafia, trying to avoid topics and pretend to be active. ##Lynch: Aidnai My final target would be PandainPlease let me know who it should be so I can let annul know. You say I got a lot of votes out of nowhere. I got 2 votes out of nowhere, you got 7+. By your logic, you should lynch yourself.
Deconduo can confirm this theory, but I believe that he pmed people.
I know he PMed me
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1)Your main argument is lack of contribution. As RoL pointed out, there are only perhaps three players who had contributed anything substantive at that point. And I believe I have contributed now, with my analysis of beneather.
*Illusion of contribution.
Illusion of contribution is a good way to find scum. Scum try to pretend to be active without actually saying anything
I'm looking at Ver's Analysis of Protactium
2)You failed to show that any of my posts could not have a townie motivation for posting them. Wut?
3)You even put words into my mouth. I never said RNG a mayor, and I don't recall anyone else saying that either. Right here
On the other hand, if we vote for 'someone who will listen to the town', we might as well forget there even is a MoM. Just RNG a mayor, vote as normal for a lynch, lynch the mayor day 2 if he fails to comply. The thing is, at this time, everyone was talking about how we should vote for 'someone who will listen to the town'. You were assuming that people would take up your idea.
4)Smurfs
Annul told us to drop it, so I'm dropping it. Talking about smurfs is a great way to get postcounts for my Reaver thou
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On December 13 2010 10:22 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +Hey, Jackal58, I don't think voting on first impression is a very good idea. There are also people that are saying you are pretty fishy. I'd like to hear what your defenses are. You haven't really posted ANYTHING other than asking some questions, then changing your MoM vote to Meapak after I did, as well as lynching LSB with no reason at all. The entire premise of a "secret vote". But I said that already. I didn't pay much attention to who changed their vote before I did. I changed it due to deconduo's lack of posting after he announced his candidacy.
On December 13 2010 03:48 LSB wrote:1) I've always been open about how I will be accountable for not manipulating the vote Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 11:38 LSB wrote:What will I do as mayor I will hold a secrete ballot for the first elections. And I will post who voted for who afterwards. You know, mafia loves to redirect the first election? This will make it harder for them to. This is important for many reasons. Say we're going to lynch inactives. One is mafia, one is town Mafia: "Yo! Lets bandwagon this guy!" Town: "We'll their both inactive so I guess I'll vote for the town" Annul: "You guys lynched a townie. Sheep =P" Now. Imagine my system LSB: "Person A and Person B are inactive, please send me pm for who you vote for" Town sends PMs. Each person has about a 50% chance of dieng. Mafia doesn't have that much influence. Annul: "This person is mafia! Woot Woot!" In addition, I will not be able to influence the vote because I will post who voted for who afterwards. So if you see something messed up, you can call me out of it. (Of course, this also means that we got a great way to catch mafia). Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 12:10 LSB wrote:On December 11 2010 12:04 CubEdIn wrote:On December 11 2010 11:58 LSB wrote:On December 11 2010 11:51 CubEdIn wrote:On December 11 2010 11:38 LSB wrote:What will I do as mayor I will hold a secrete ballot for the first elections. And I will post who voted for who afterwards. You know, mafia loves to redirect the first election? This will make it harder for them to. This is important for many reasons. Say we're going to lynch inactives. One is mafia, one is town Mafia: "Yo! Lets bandwagon this guy!" Town: "We'll their both inactive so I guess I'll vote for the town" Annul: "You guys lynched a townie. Sheep =P" Now. Imagine my system LSB: "Person A and Person B are inactive, please send me pm for who you vote for" Town sends PMs. Each person has about a 50% chance of dieng. Mafia doesn't have that much influence. Annul: "This person is mafia! Woot Woot!" In addition, I will not be able to influence the vote because I will post who voted for who afterwards. So if you see something messed up, you can call me out of it. (Of course, this also means that we got a great way to catch mafia). Let me tell you the loophole in your plan there, buddy. Say you're mafia. People choose two people to lynch, townie and mafia. You rig the "anonymous" votes and lynch the townie, even though most people voted for the mafia. You can never be checked/blamed for that since people agreed to secret votes. So yeah, that's not gonna be in the best interest of town IMO. In addition, I will not be able to influence the vote because I will post who voted for who afterwards. So if you see something messed up, you can call me out of it. (Of course, this also means that we got a great way to catch mafia). People will be like, "YOU ARE WRONG!" if I try to manipulate votes. Oh right, I didn't read that part, but it still gives you a certain degree of manipulation by hiding some mafia votes, if you are mafia. Like say the townie is winning by 7 votes, you switch 3 of the mafia votes to hide them, the difference is less significant, town is more confused. Just saying tho, I don't really care since it's just one night. Firstly, vote manipulation is always done by the mafia. In public it can be done easily. All the mafia has to do is make sure they either vote for other people or push a townie bandwagon. In private, they won't be able to predict who is going to be lynched. Secondly, if I'm mafia, you can examine the votes a wee bit more carefully. This way you'll have a better indication of who is mafia. See? Even if I'm mafia it's better for you! Thirdly, I'll accept someone to be the 'auditor' who also recieves votes Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 12:47 LSB wrote:On December 11 2010 12:17 Beneather wrote:On December 11 2010 12:14 Thegilaboy wrote:On December 11 2010 12:10 LSB wrote:On December 11 2010 12:04 CubEdIn wrote:On December 11 2010 11:58 LSB wrote:On December 11 2010 11:51 CubEdIn wrote:On December 11 2010 11:38 LSB wrote:What will I do as mayor I will hold a secrete ballot for the first elections. And I will post who voted for who afterwards. You know, mafia loves to redirect the first election? This will make it harder for them to. This is important for many reasons. Say we're going to lynch inactives. One is mafia, one is town Mafia: "Yo! Lets bandwagon this guy!" Town: "We'll their both inactive so I guess I'll vote for the town" Annul: "You guys lynched a townie. Sheep =P" Now. Imagine my system LSB: "Person A and Person B are inactive, please send me pm for who you vote for" Town sends PMs. Each person has about a 50% chance of dieng. Mafia doesn't have that much influence. Annul: "This person is mafia! Woot Woot!" In addition, I will not be able to influence the vote because I will post who voted for who afterwards. So if you see something messed up, you can call me out of it. (Of course, this also means that we got a great way to catch mafia). Let me tell you the loophole in your plan there, buddy. Say you're mafia. People choose two people to lynch, townie and mafia. You rig the "anonymous" votes and lynch the townie, even though most people voted for the mafia. You can never be checked/blamed for that since people agreed to secret votes. So yeah, that's not gonna be in the best interest of town IMO. In addition, I will not be able to influence the vote because I will post who voted for who afterwards. So if you see something messed up, you can call me out of it. (Of course, this also means that we got a great way to catch mafia). People will be like, "YOU ARE WRONG!" if I try to manipulate votes. Oh right, I didn't read that part, but it still gives you a certain degree of manipulation by hiding some mafia votes, if you are mafia. Like say the townie is winning by 7 votes, you switch 3 of the mafia votes to hide them, the difference is less significant, town is more confused. Just saying tho, I don't really care since it's just one night. Firstly, vote manipulation is always done by the mafia. In public it can be done easily. All the mafia has to do is make sure they either vote for other people or push a townie bandwagon. In private, they won't be able to predict who is going to be lynched. Secondly, if I'm mafia, you can examine the votes a wee bit more carefully. This way you'll have a better indication of who is mafia. See? Even if I'm mafia it's better for you! Thirdly, I'll accept someone to be the 'auditor' who also recieves votes Would we vote for this auditor too, or would you be picking them? What is this auditor position and what is it worth to us? Whatever it is it should be voted from the town, if the MoM does choose it could be a fellow Mafia and both would have the biggest influence on the town. How about 2nd place in the mayor elections become with auditor? Here's how I imagine it would work. I would compare the votes that I get with the Auditor. If there is any discrepancies we can release it to the public/point out why. It further ensures the integrity of the private voting elections. Why private vote? Public vote is easily manipulated by the mafia. You will still be getting the same information, just our Day 1 vote will have a higher chance of hitting a mafia. + Show Spoiler +
If the town really really wants it, I can host alternative forms of votes.
Normal Voting
Reasoned Voting- You must give a good reason for your vote for it to be counted.
Runoff Elections- This way we get more information about people's voting patterns
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On December 13 2010 10:35 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2010 10:32 LunarDestiny wrote:
Again, I don't have a clear lynch choice. But I want to ask Aidnai if he can prove his innocence with his role. If he can and promise to do so within maybe a day of game time, then we should give him the chance to prove himself.
Pandain's sudden post after Meapak calling him out as a lynch possibility is weird. Pandain in all other mafia games tends to be more talkative. I think at this point he really has not much of a choice other than a roleclaim - or at least a character name claim.
You can't character name claim.
I PMed Annul, he said that you can hint, but it has to apply to more than one character. Also I would run by any character name claims through him before actually doing it.
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Lord Voldemort
Cho Chang
Bellatrix Lestrange
Gilderoy Lockhart
Cedric Diggory
Walden Macnair
Severus Snape
Albus Dumbledore
Poppy Pomfrey
Fenrir Greyback
Sibyl Trelawney
Firenze
Luna Lovegood
Ollivander
Draco Malfoy
Nymphadora Tonks
Ernie Prang
Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington
Mulciber
Parvati Patil
Padma Patil
Moaning Myrtle
Lucius Malfoy
Narcissa Malfoy
Violet
Harry Potter
Colin Creevey
Nicolas Flamel
Hermione Granger
Angelina Johnson
Roger Davies
That leaves someone out.
Possible death eaters
Snape- I believe Snape is the miller, but there is a possibility he's mafia
Gilderoy Lockhart- Erasing people's memories isn't very townish
One of the Patils- This is very very weak, but it could be the generic lovers role. One town, one mafia. Doesn't make much sense storywize.
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