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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 29 2010 20:05 GMT
#601
My gut is telling me that Kenpachi isn't scum, but my brain is telling me that there is a strong possibility he is. The switch lynch to BB just seems too incriminating to ignore.

I am still suspicious of protactinum for his awful fishing attempts in PM, but I will leave my stronger judgement of him til later on.
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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 29 2010 20:10 GMT
#602
What's the situation with rocco?
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 29 2010 20:16 GMT
#603
The second mad hatter should claim to me. It's possible there are three mad hatters in this game, but it seems unlikely. If you don't want to claim to me and find me suspicious, then claim to SR who was the townie confirmed by a DT. I have a plan if this kenpachi business turns out the way I think it might turn out and your help would be very much needed.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 29 2010 20:38 GMT
#604
Can BC please update the list with who is dead?
RIP Aaliyah
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 29 2010 20:41 GMT
#605
Well no one has posted an analysis of ghrur's posts yet so here one is. Keep in mind each post could simply be an attempt to separate himself from his mafia friends.

On November 27 2010 12:18 ghrur wrote:
God, the fact that Dr. H has been claimed to already is so screwed up. >_< I'd suggest checking him, but if he's mafia, then obviously he's going to become Elder. But then again, it'd be SO dangerous to have mafia just control a blue role for their own protection to be killed at their leisure. I say DT should still check him (no risk of suicide bomber), but even if he comes out green/blue, be wary. Be SURE to analyze his posts.


Suggests a DT should check DrH. Although this may be an attempt to discredit DrH, a day one dt request from mafia doesn't help his elder suspicions.

On November 27 2010 12:18 ghrur wrote:
*sidenote* as for lynching, I think we should pressure Pandain. He's usually a very active player, and he's inactive right now. I get black friday, but Pandain hasn't made a useful post since the game started. Also, it's been shown that he cracks under pressure as mafia. Beneficial results? I think so! ^_^


On November 27 2010 13:04 ghrur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 12:43 kitaman27 wrote:The lynch is going to come up on us fast so we really should start talking about individual targets. Realistically, we have a couple of hours tonight and then about 6 hours tomorrow in the late afternoon/early evening, as the thread will probably die during the morning hours. Leaving this decision to the last few hours would present a much easier opportunity for mafia influence. With only 5 pages in 24 hours things really need to get moving.


Which is exactly why I think we should pressure Pandain atm. We need to get people posting, and fast. We should also coordinate our pressure because everyone "pressuring" 1 person doesn't really apply pressure. Also, I know Pandain can be an asset to town if he became active. I just want him to get there faster.


On November 27 2010 13:26 ghrur wrote:
Vote Pandain! That goes for you too jimbo and annul. Vote until he talks!

+ Show Spoiler +
I want yum yums in this thread )=<


Introduces Pandain as a lynch candidate when no other candidate was available. At a time where everyone is looking for a bandwagon to jump on, it would be a risky move to nominate a fellow mafia.

On November 28 2010 07:00 annul wrote:

drh PMed me before day post even came up...

+ Show Spoiler +
From: DoctorHelvetica [ 9498 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: sup witch buddy
Date: 11/26/10 12:13
and by everybody i mean like 5 people becuase im too lazy to pm everyone

ghrur is dumb and thinks i am actually mafia who didn't get the pm with my teammates SIGH

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From annul:
what?

if youre claiming witch then i think you just broke the game, cuz i did not get sent a witch role =\

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
lol so who else in our team?




On November 30 2010 04:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Again, it is very important if ghrur pm'd you anything that you reveal it.


Err so it looks like you have some pm's from ghrur too. Do you plan to reveal them like you are calling for?

On November 28 2010 09:50 ghrur wrote:
Well, Pandain's posted since I was last on, and now it seems it's between Kenpachi and Brownbear.

Let's compare:
Kenpachi has been open
Kenpachi is really trying to improve
Kenpachi has been more active in the thread
Brownbear also seems to be less concentrated because he apparently didn't even read the OP.

Overall, I think that, from a perspective outside the game, we should keep Kenpachi in so he can learn more because this is a bootcamp game.
From a perspective inside the game, despite Kenpachi's lacking history, Brownbear honestly isn't a better town candidate. He's just as, if not more, clueless talking about voting for mayor and such. Furthermore, he hasn't even tried to clear his name. He hasn't even been shown to be on. EZ choice imo.


His push for Pandain falls through so he attempts to analyze Kenpachi and Brownbear.His analysis is clearly biased towards one side. The "Kenpachi wants to learn more about playing mafia" defense seems like an incredibly weak reason to keep him around.

On November 28 2010 10:14 ghrur wrote:
Lol, annul, why so defensive yo? It's not even night yet, and you're already freaked out about pressure for the next DAY?


Minor attack on annul, although weak enough that it doesn't sway me either way.

On November 28 2010 10:23 ghrur wrote:
YEAH! WHERE YOU AT MAFIA, WHERE YOU AT?


Oh, there you are.

-----------------------------------------------------------------

On November 30 2010 04:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
That's why I want you to roleclaim to me Kenpachi. If you're a DT or a medic, something valuable like that, you need to tell me this. You said if you tell me your special role you'll die, but if I already know a medic, and 2 other blue roles, why haven't they died as well? I think the mafia choices for hits make it pretty clear they have not been active in fishing, finding blues, or been doing anything of significance in PM's. In fact the choices they made have made me inclined to believe Pandain is probably innocent as well.


On November 30 2010 05:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The second mad hatter should claim to me. It's possible there are three mad hatters in this game, but it seems unlikely. If you don't want to claim to me and find me suspicious, then claim to SR who was the townie confirmed by a DT. I have a plan if this kenpachi business turns out the way I think it might turn out and your help would be very much needed.


OK now this is making me uncomfortable. You are requesting two people role claim to you. Did I miss the point where you were confirmed as town? I understand you are trying to create a town circle, but is the creation of a circle worth half the blues blindly claiming to someone of unknown affiliation? I think it would be wise to not put all our eggs in one basket at such an early point in the game.




I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
November 29 2010 20:45 GMT
#606
On November 30 2010 05:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The second mad hatter should claim to me. It's possible there are three mad hatters in this game, but it seems unlikely. If you don't want to claim to me and find me suspicious, then claim to SR who was the townie confirmed by a DT. I have a plan if this kenpachi business turns out the way I think it might turn out and your help would be very much needed.


Define "kenpachi business"
Whats your plan?
please elaborate.
I feel like town is stuck at a standstill at the moment because everyone seems fairly safe lynching kenpachi.

If you can point out someone with a legit reason to be lynched plz share.

DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 29 2010 20:51 GMT
#607
I understand why it would make you uncomfortable. My case for why people should trust me is pretty simple:

1. Look at the mafia hit choices, all players who aren't active in my circle, mostly green roles except deconduo
2. Considering the amount of blue roles that have already claimed to me, the failure at blue sniping showed we have what is likely a very inexperienced mafia
3. Much like in Insane Mafia I've given a lot of myself out to the town and to others in PMs and I've played very recklessly. High risk, high reward, mafia can't take that chance.

Trust me or don't. I'm asking for these things, not demanding them. I am demanding Kenpachi roleclaim though, he really has no other way out. He should do it to me or SouthRawrea if he does.

Here is my PMs with Ghrur:
KK thanks. ^_^ That was a lot more concise and to the point than my old pms with Bill Murray, lol.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
pressure the shit out of people, see how they react

mafia will feel pressured to respond to any PM they get, they're far more likely to crack/slip-up because they feel like it's easier to fool one person than the entire town

always have a backup PM line that u trust in case you die because of something you said in PM's so that all of your analysis isn't lost when you die

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Original Message From ghrur:
Kk, fishing aside, would you mind posting (or just telling me :D) how to effectively use the PM system?

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
skeletons actually

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Original Message From ghrur:
Vampires? I thought we were zombies.

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Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
who else is on our team ???

what do you mean why would you lynch me if we are both vampires

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From ghrur:
Thanks for the Day one lynch.

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Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
my role pm didnt tell me who else was mafia but i know u r so can you tell me?

I forgot I even got them since they were so early in the game (and my inbox is so full). but there isn't really anything to analyse there, he was just asking for advice.
RIP Aaliyah
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
November 29 2010 20:51 GMT
#608
On November 30 2010 05:41 kitaman27 wrote:


Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 05:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The second mad hatter should claim to me. It's possible there are three mad hatters in this game, but it seems unlikely. If you don't want to claim to me and find me suspicious, then claim to SR who was the townie confirmed by a DT. I have a plan if this kenpachi business turns out the way I think it might turn out and your help would be very much needed.


OK now this is making me uncomfortable. You are requesting two people role claim to you. Did I miss the point where you were confirmed as town? I understand you are trying to create a town circle, but is the creation of a circle worth half the blues blindly claiming to someone of unknown affiliation? I think it would be wise to not put all our eggs in one basket at such an early point in the game.




Im just saying.. clearly no medics dt's died last night.
if doch is mafia hes doing a poor job.

Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
November 29 2010 20:57 GMT
#609
Guys i think we should look at lynching glasse as a possibility
usually he is an over 9000 pro town contributer who leads town with lethal scum hunting precision and fierce determination.

im just not seeing it this game.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 29 2010 21:07 GMT
#610
On November 30 2010 05:57 Coagulation wrote:
Guys i think we should look at lynching glasse as a possibility
usually he is an over 9000 pro town contributer who leads town with lethal scum hunting precision and fierce determination.

im just not seeing it this game.

if by lethal scum hinting precision you mean meowing, accusing me badly of being mafia when I'm not, spamming threads, and constantly lying then yeah ur right

are you serious?

his play in insane mafia was embarrassing as town. his only good game was haunted and even then he could have taken it a lot further, I was just impressed because he was new.
RIP Aaliyah
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
November 29 2010 21:15 GMT
#611
On November 30 2010 06:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 05:57 Coagulation wrote:
Guys i think we should look at lynching glasse as a possibility
usually he is an over 9000 pro town contributer who leads town with lethal scum hunting precision and fierce determination.

im just not seeing it this game.


are you serious?


SouthRawrea
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada608 Posts
November 29 2010 22:21 GMT
#612
On November 29 2010 12:22 annul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2010 12:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 29 2010 12:10 SouthRawrea wrote:
Alright I'm not entire sure of the legitimacy of DrH's town circle but I've had a DT come to me with my correct role so I will act as his mouthpiece for the remainder of this game. Basically in PM land at this point we've been looking for a secure way of connecting with DrH's circle without putting risk to both groups.


Well that is some progress at least. However, I won't completely trust this after annul raping us in Haunted...





;D

... ;D

that said, the other, more probable alternative way this could fuck town over (other than him being godfather i mean) is that he is actually mafia and his "DT" is either another mafia player and/or doesnt exist. in a game like this with only 1 mafia team, sacrificing 1 member for completely fucking the town circle is a good play, especially if he can get a few other blues out of the deal.

this was bad in haunted because the red teams wanted to kill the other red team and NOT the town, but here with only 1 red team and their target the town, those blues will fall pretty quickly to a play like that.


Please do tell how this is more probable? I do agree that there is a chance but the most probable? DT checks DrH's identity and then reveals his identity. How is it a sensible strategy to then put two mafia members at risk for a town circle that no one trusts at this point? As well, there are no other DT mouthpieces at this point to counterclaim which would've been perfectly sensible to do after I claimed to be a DT mouthpiece seeing as how its unlikely that there would be 3 DTs in a game of this size. I never said I needed the identity of DrH's medic either. So what? I get 1 potential blue out of this whole ordeal for 2 reds at the end?
SouthRawrea
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada608 Posts
November 29 2010 22:22 GMT
#613
To avoid any misunderstandings: I do agree that there is a chance from your standpoint*
EBWODP
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
November 29 2010 22:37 GMT
#614
On November 30 2010 05:57 Coagulation wrote:
Guys i think we should look at lynching glasse as a possibility
usually he is an over 9000 pro town contributer who leads town with lethal scum hunting precision and fierce determination.

im just not seeing it this game.


lol i cant believe that after he tossed his role in insane mafia.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Glasse
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1237 Posts
November 29 2010 22:39 GMT
#615
Well apparently people think all i can do is spam so i wanted to change it up a bit, i guess that won't work

Thanks for telling me i'm an useless liar btw, this makes me want to try even harder and be useful, oh wait... nvm.

Nice sarcasm coag.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 29 2010 22:47 GMT
#616
You are useless. So you think this is some bullshit reverse psychology trap? I almost want to vote for you.

Just so the town knows I sent three PM's to glasse early none of which he responded to.

u seem to be fake claiming vet which is a decisively town move that has led me to believe you are the vig or the DT

if you are the dt you should check 1 of 2:
coagulation
aeres

both would be a strong check

also protactinium is a good choice, he sent me a very strange PM


but u know I'm probably just being over analytical

nothing u do makes sense to me anyway.

keep crazying it up, especially in PMs. start pming people weird shit, gibberish, asking them questions like "do your parents know ur mafia" and stuff like that

mafia will get really defensive, not respond, or try to change the subject to someone else like immediately so just keep a check on how everybody responds

townie has nothing to be afraid of, naw mean?


r u gonna stop spamming and start being helpful

not saying you're red, just saying i don't like it. i know you have some good thoughts on the game, you should share them constructively.

id be intersting to know what you thought of the following players:
radfield
pandain
kenpachi
youngminii


the only time you did post was spam and that was too long ago

you don't have to trust me or follow my advice, but that doesn't mean talking should be out of the question. i have to put an FoS on this.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From Glasse:
how can someone be inactive and spammy at the same time?

i'm trying a different way to play, i ignored your pm because i am following my own advice and not trusting anyone

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
need to stop being so inactive and spammy

you ignored my last pm, what is your deal dude?


Here is where it gets weird. AT THE START OF THE GAME HE FISHES FOR MY ROLE.

redacted for my safety

i'm not a fantastic scumhunter, I'm not ballsy enough for it

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From Glasse:
so, since pms are allowed...

are you red?

i won't tell i swear! this is a PRIVATE message

:3


Here's the answer a scum is hoping for. "No, I'm the DT actually" "No, I got medic. I'm confused on this game" stuff like that.

So you're going to fish at me at PM's then refuse to respond to all of mine because "you don't trust me"?

I'm strongly inclined to switch my vote over to you for this scummy behavior.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 29 2010 22:50 GMT
#617
As far as his posts:

On November 27 2010 08:21 Glasse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 08:07 Glasse wrote:
hi, don't waste a blue role on me, not worth it. (medic, dt, other stuff we have)

meatshield represent.



OH MY GOD

stop the pm spam, this meant green, not crazy thing with multiple hits


i'm useless so i'm a meat shield


Early green claim.

On November 28 2010 06:53 Glasse wrote:
wow pming drh is a bad thing i guess

he just posts everything rofl


Don't PM! Don't trust DrH! Even though I fished on him!

On November 28 2010 11:07 Glasse wrote:
i remember reading someone said town circles would be much safer, don't forget there is also a godfather

Always be careful of who you talk to and what you tell them.


Don't talk to people in pms.

On November 29 2010 03:32 Glasse wrote:
i just caught up on reading and now i am kinda sad... why do people do this..?

anyway, with pms its really easy to get caught in a trap by reds, be careful who you talk to and what you tell them :3


Don't talk to people in pms.

See a common theme?
RIP Aaliyah
Glasse
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1237 Posts
November 29 2010 22:53 GMT
#618
fishing for your role? are you serious right now? I thought it was pretty clear that pm was a joke when you sent back "i'm pink"

sigh...
Glasse
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1237 Posts
November 29 2010 22:58 GMT
#619
you went me 3 pm, which i didnt respond to, then you point out that i say you shouldnt talk to people in pms after i answer something so you stop harassing me?
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 29 2010 22:59 GMT
#620
So it was made clear that your pm was a joke because I sent a joke response?

You're refusing to contribute in the thread, you're refusing to contribute in PMs. You said you're green, so how exactly are you planning to make yourself useful? By confusing everybody as usual?
RIP Aaliyah
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