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On November 29 2010 12:07 Node wrote:All right guys, I think there's something really important that most people have missed. Hopefully the revelation of ghrur as scum and the suspicions he cast on me clear my name a bit. Look at the bandwagoning of Pandain that nearly happened on day 1. Look at some of the names on that list, and look at who initiated it: our friend ghrur. I'd say at this point that I'm 90% positive Pandain is town. Show nested quote +On November 28 2010 10:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Pandain - 1
Coagulation
Ghrur
Radfield
Deconduo
Kenpachi
Aidnai And hey, look at who else was on the list of people who voted Pandain. And look who was conveniently spared yesterday due to a last-minute switch by ghrur himself. Come on guys, don't let kenpachi get away with this crap. Lynch kenpachi.
I dont understand why you included the people who voted for Pandain.. it doenst have anything to prove me as mafia.
Though, deconduo caused a fucking shitstorm on me by planting a bomb on ghrur and i understand why people would think im red because ghrur voted me on the last second
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On November 29 2010 12:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2010 12:10 SouthRawrea wrote:
Alright I'm not entire sure of the legitimacy of DrH's town circle but I've had a DT come to me with my correct role so I will act as his mouthpiece for the remainder of this game. Basically in PM land at this point we've been looking for a secure way of connecting with DrH's circle without putting risk to both groups. Well that is some progress at least. However, I won't completely trust this after annul raping us in Haunted...
;D
... ;D
that said, the other, more probable alternative way this could fuck town over (other than him being godfather i mean) is that he is actually mafia and his "DT" is either another mafia player and/or doesnt exist. in a game like this with only 1 mafia team, sacrificing 1 member for completely fucking the town circle is a good play, especially if he can get a few other blues out of the deal.
this was bad in haunted because the red teams wanted to kill the other red team and NOT the town, but here with only 1 red team and their target the town, those blues will fall pretty quickly to a play like that.
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Jimboslivers – BB
DrH -- BB
KtheZ--KP
Kenpachi -- BB
Pandain -- BB
Node -- KP
EsbenPM -- BB
Youngmini -- KP
Southrawrea -- BB
Deconduo -- KP(test)
Darth -- KP(test)
It is now 8 for KP, 7 for BB
Aeres -- switch from KP to BB
ghrur – BB
Ghrur flipping mafia definitely makes me think mafia were intervening here. If you look closely at the vote list, Ghrur already has a vote down for Pandain early in the game. He’s not under pressure for modkills. Yet he changes votes at the last minute. Why would he need to do this if he was mafia? I don’t think there’s no reason to do this if Kenpachi is town, because this puts more pressure on him for being the deciding and final vote for BrownBear. I don’t feel like Ghrur’s behavior fits if Kenpachi is town. Way too risky and for no reward.
Furthermore, if mafia were involved, youngminii and node are all on the right side of things. But…
On November 29 2010 11:10 Amber[LighT] wrote:This I received from Ghrur... I don't know if he was trying to keep me away from others, but he did provide a "list" he was suspicious of: Show nested quote +Hey, nights about to end, and we're about to get some new information, but before that happens, can I ask you what you think about Town's reasoning on who's mafia? I understand that I draw suspicion because I basically cemented Brownbear's lynch, and if we look at him as a townie, it's like, yeah durrr people who voted BB. But the thing is, I don't think that's actually a totally fair assumption to make. I mean, did you see Protact's way of "fishing?" I think it's the scum's way of getting in touch with the chaos ensuant. Then, guess what, Protact just happened to vote FOR Kenpachi to maybe help save Brownbear?
Anyway, I think it makes sense that mafia DID get in contact with BB, and in that case, we shouldn't be focusing on who voted BB, but who voted Kenpachi. This includes:
Barunder
Protactinium
Node
KtheZ
Youngminii
I'd say Node and Youngminii are fairly quiet, which both makes me think they could be lurking mafia. However, I'd like to get your opinion on this because while it makes sense, the rest of the town seemed to have just glossed over it. =/ Thanks for not killing me though, Ghrur. ^____^
First off, I think its suspicious that Ghrur wants us to focus on the Kenpachi vote list. Ghrur suggests that we should assume mafia knew BB was mafia. But its clear BB was afk the whole game, so theres no reason for mafia to think BB is the CE. Ghrur’s statement makes no sense, so I think its safe to assume mafia did not know BB was traitor. Ghrur’s plea for us to look at Kenpachi’s votelist is nonsensical.
If Node and Youngminii are mafia, it doesn’t make sense for the vote to be that close, given that we know Ghrur is mafia. Ghrur’s deciding vote doesn’t make sense if mafia are on both sides of the vote and the vote is that close. I think this PM is just a red herring. Unless Kenpachi flips green, theres no indication why Node and Youngminii are mafia even if they’re lurking. A lot of people have been lurking this game, and one has already flipped blue.
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To keep people away from the BB vote list?
If he's trying to fool Amber, this also confirms Amber to me.
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alright so uhh.. i feel pretty screwed. Pandain thinks im chaos, DrH wants me to roleclaim, and people are pming me that they dont trust me.
gg
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I'd bet money that you aren't the chaos ensurgent. Pandain just wants to think he's struck gold.
You're backed into a corner and tbh in my mind it's a stalemate between you being mafia or node/youngminii/dta being mafia. You're suspicious based on objective principles but DTA/Youngminii/Node have all ACTED very scummy to me. But the inconsistency lies with Ghrur.
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On November 29 2010 12:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'd bet money that you aren't the chaos ensurgent. Pandain just wants to think he's struck gold.
You're backed into a corner and tbh in my mind it's a stalemate between you being mafia or node/youngminii/dta being mafia. You're suspicious based on objective principles but DTA/Youngminii/Node have all ACTED very scummy to me. But the inconsistency lies with Ghrur.
+ Show Spoiler +Its hilarious cause he's starting to know me....
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i'm starting to know you? uh what does that mean exactly
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On November 29 2010 12:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i'm starting to know you? uh what does that mean exactly
+ Show Spoiler +
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On November 29 2010 12:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i'm starting to know you? uh what does that mean exactly
It means we're spending WAY too much time with him >.<
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It is crucial that you tell me if Ghrur PM'd you and what he said. Post it in the thread if you like.
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*sniff* I hate sleeping in cold rooms. The only thing worse is dying in flames 
GG go town!
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Wow I honestly couldn't have hoped for more in my first game to soak up a hit on the first night  Little boring but yay!
Gl hf everyone
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Arrgh must.edit.
Wow I honestly couldn't have hoped for more in my first game than to soak up a hit on the first night.
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On November 29 2010 13:05 Kenpachi wrote:how did i predict that you would automatically vote me after reading the day post?
My (and deconduo's) experiment succeeded. Why would I not heed the results? O_O. I already thought day 1's voting was strange. ghrur flipping red only made it even more suspicious. I'd be a fool to NOT vote for you, unless you have a valid reason?
On November 29 2010 12:18 Kenpachi wrote:
I dont understand why you included the people who voted for Pandain.. it doenst have anything to prove me as mafia.
Though, deconduo caused a fucking shitstorm on me by planting a bomb on ghrur and i understand why people would think im red because ghrur voted me on the last second
Are you saying you would have preferred that he didn't put a bomb on ghrur?
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OK
town please focus votes 100% on kenpachi
if kenpachi is mafia then we will have an easy time spotting the people who are scrambling to push alternative candidates for lynch
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Glad I took one out with me, shame it couldn't be two. GL town
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
My apologies everyone, I've had a bit of a crisis at my house. I will try to pick this up tonight/tomorrow, or if RoL has replacements lined up that works for me too. I just need a bit of time
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and suddenly this game has slowed way down? Why?
Youngminii needs to start posting and contributing. He has been ignoring me intentionally in PMs and I don't buy his reasoning.
You got there by being stubborn and not listening, not because you analysed things
You're a smart player even if you're hotheaded and you need to do something of value.
Let me put it this way: if you skirt by without really contributing and avoiding talking in PM land as well, my votes going to be on you pretty quick.
You must be thinking something in that head of yours.
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Original Message From youngminii:
and look where that got me last game
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Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
you can't seriously have no thoughts at all
not a player like you
it's not your inactivity that makes me uncomfortable, it's that you have nothing to say at all. there's been too much discussion for you to have zero analysis
you always seem so sure about your convictions
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Original Message From youngminii:
honestly, i don't know
everyone seems to have differing opinions/targets and i don't wanna jump in to the fray and accuse someone too quickly like last time (<3)
dislike pm land, that's for sure
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Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
tell me a bit about your thoughts going into the game now?
quite a bit to talk about I think
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Original Message From youngminii:
<3
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Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
u were such a jerk 2 me in the last game
you called my defense bad but i didn't think it was bad T_T
if you accuse me wrongly in this game will you listen to me first? dta is already trying to start a bullshit bandwagon and his explanation in pms to me was really shoddy
anyway i hope we can be friends this game because if you piss me off i'll make sure quickstriker is on ur team in every game I mod
so if you have a big beef, let's talk about it one on one before we shit up the thread because we all know how much I like to post/spam when I feel threatened (on both sides of the alignment coin)
at least a little bit.
It's been quite a while since that last PM I sent him and I've gotten no reply.
Glasse has also contributed basically nothing, spammed this thread, and spent the entirety of this day completely inactive and no one has called him out in it yet? What's up with that. I sent him a PM a while ago telling him to stop spamming and start contributing
r u gonna stop spamming and start being helpful
not saying you're red, just saying i don't like it. i know you have some good thoughts on the game, you should share them constructively.
id be interested to know what you thought of the following players:
radfield
pandain
kenpachi
youngminii
He never replied and I sent this roughly 24 hours ago.
These people (off the top of my head) are also hardly contributing:
hardly contributing:
kthez
esbenpm
kthez
protactinium
annul
Now in a moment like this, if kenpachi is indeed mafia, mafia needs to play it safe and lay low until an opportunity for an alternative bandwagon presents itself. If my gut feeling is correct, Kenpachi is a bogus wagon, but logically it makes a lot of sense and the amount of information received from Kenpachi's death will be useful. It will be very telling of the alignment of several key players I've been PMing on a regular basis and it will help me narrow down the list of who I need to hunt as scum.
That's why I want you to roleclaim to me Kenpachi. If you're a DT or a medic, something valuable like that, you need to tell me this. You said if you tell me your special role you'll die, but if I already know a medic, and 2 other blue roles, why haven't they died as well? I think the mafia choices for hits make it pretty clear they have not been active in fishing, finding blues, or been doing anything of significance in PM's. In fact the choices they made have made me inclined to believe Pandain is probably innocent as well.
I have some PMs from other players I need to re-examine that I haven't gotten to yet. Again, it is very important if ghrur pm'd you anything that you reveal it.
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