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On December 01 2010 02:36 annul wrote:
btw, it goes against my mafia DNA to "give up" - i am only explaining why i am not so active in this one right now
when it gets deeper in the game if i am still here i will do my part, for sure.
Well why don't you do your job now! =P Come onnnnnn, help us scumhunt! Don't just leave the town out to dry. While you are gone, you would effectively be lynched, and thus useless to us.
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I said before, I'm not trying to focus on amber, I don't want to bandwagon him. I will change my vote when I find someone other than kenpachi to throw a vote on. I just don't feel comfortable with the easy bandwagon.
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On December 01 2010 10:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 10:17 chaoser wrote:
good job town...now we have no new info -_- lynching for info is a retarded policy that only mafia ever attempt to implement. in fact i feel it's one of the strongest scumtells since I do it almost every time I'm mafia (until BC told me it makes me too obvious hehe) and that's not true. a lot of people have been discussing DTA and people who defended him seriously are going to get a serious reevaluation from me.
I believe that lynching SOLELY for information is a stupid policy, but it should definitely be factored into the lynch decision.
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On December 01 2010 10:48 Eiii wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 10:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On December 01 2010 10:35 Eiii wrote:
DT checking ken is the best idea I guess-- if he turns out to just be a townie then we can pretty safely ignore him for the rest of the game-- he's either chaos or willing to fuck up town to save his own ass. If he's medic, he's an asset all of a sudden, and if he's mafia that's a free kill. I'm more for demanding the real medic to counterclaim to me or southrawrea so we don't waste a dt check. we'll wait until the absolute last second to decide, if no one counterclaims then it's kenpachi. 13/30 players have roleclaimed to me already, it's not like you'd be putting yourself in specific danger. Why are we assuming that if there's another medic ken can't be medic? It might be a reasonable assumption but it's not something to bet a blue on. Honestly, I don't like how this is playing out. Ken has a clear lead, there's a last-second push to a townie thanks to ken's medic claim and some help from a few others, and now you're advocating that DTs shouldn't check him, because you say that another medic claiming to you proves ken isn't what he say he is. It's tough to know anything for sure in this game, but if a DT checks ken and he turns up red I'm sure something'll happen.
Well, there could be another medic, but I don't think there would be THAT many medics. A lot of people have claimed to Dr.H, so he knows a lot of roles. He knows how many medics have claimed to him and so forth.
The one thing I'm worried about is how Dr.H can know to trust the claims he's gotten, especially if he has formed a town circle with some of them. An infiltrated town circle would suck.
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On December 01 2010 11:23 Glasse wrote:oh god i missed quite a lot, i am also very sad you guys switched to darth  oh well, i went 6-0 in my badminton tournament if anybody cares, brb gonna read more carefully
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On December 01 2010 11:32 Eiii wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 10:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 01 2010 10:48 Eiii wrote:On December 01 2010 10:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On December 01 2010 10:35 Eiii wrote:
DT checking ken is the best idea I guess-- if he turns out to just be a townie then we can pretty safely ignore him for the rest of the game-- he's either chaos or willing to fuck up town to save his own ass. If he's medic, he's an asset all of a sudden, and if he's mafia that's a free kill. I'm more for demanding the real medic to counterclaim to me or southrawrea so we don't waste a dt check. we'll wait until the absolute last second to decide, if no one counterclaims then it's kenpachi. 13/30 players have roleclaimed to me already, it's not like you'd be putting yourself in specific danger. Why are we assuming that if there's another medic ken can't be medic? It might be a reasonable assumption but it's not something to bet a blue on. Honestly, I don't like how this is playing out. Ken has a clear lead, there's a last-second push to a townie thanks to ken's medic claim and some help from a few others, and now you're advocating that DTs shouldn't check him, because you say that another medic claiming to you proves ken isn't what he say he is. It's tough to know anything for sure in this game, but if a DT checks ken and he turns up red I'm sure something'll happen. Well, there could be another medic, but I don't think there would be THAT many medics. A lot of people have claimed to Dr.H, so he knows a lot of roles. He knows how many medics have claimed to him and so forth. The one thing I'm worried about is how Dr.H can know to trust the claims he's gotten, especially if he has formed a town circle with some of them. An infiltrated town circle would suck. I might be behind on this or just clueless in general, but I'm more concerned with how DrH can be trusted. I know setting up a circle and doing what he does isn't scummy at all, but if he's the elder (and if he's mafia, he's the elder for sure) then he's put himself in a fantastic position to really fuck town up.
Well, the only reason I feel like I can trust him at this point is that the only blue that died on Night 1 was deconduo, and he blew up a mafia in the process. The other two KP were wasted on townies.
What I AM afraid of, however, is that Dr.H knows this, and is biding his time to screw everyone over when more people claim to him. I feel that Doc may be town though.
A mass claim probably wouldn't be that bad of an idea. Since I trust Doc at this point, he could catch any false claims. Anyone who would then refuse to claim would be heavily scrutinized. This would only work if Dr.H is confident that he can weed out the fakes from the reals. I support the idea of a mass claim.
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On December 01 2010 11:56 Eiii wrote:
I really like the idea of a mass claim-- but I think it should wait until we have someone who's 99% sure to be town. DrH has only his actions going for him, but he knows that as well as we do. Mass claiming to a mafia would, as far as I can tell, lose the game for us immediately.
Well, seeing as almost half the players have already claimed to him, if he's mafia I'd say we're pretty far down the shitter already. That's a lot of information for one man to hold without being kept in check. If everyone knows everyone else's roles (or presumed roles) then if Doc is mafia and slips up, he can be caught.
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On December 01 2010 12:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
btw southrawrea has already been confirmed by a dt, you can roleclaim to him
i've been sharing literally everything with southrawrea and the dt. there is no information i have that they don't.
If this can be confirmed by South, that would be lovely.
So at least you are being kept in check by them. How do you feel about a mass claim Doc?
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On December 01 2010 12:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
what happened to the modkilled players? aren't there like 100 fucking people who got modkilled?
replacements better be active. inactivity, if anything, will screw this town.
also would anyone be opposed to me telling you all WHO roleclaimed ot me but not what role they gave me?
Well, I'll come out and say that I claimed to you.
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On December 01 2010 12:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 12:04 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 01 2010 12:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
btw southrawrea has already been confirmed by a dt, you can roleclaim to him
i've been sharing literally everything with southrawrea and the dt. there is no information i have that they don't. If this can be confirmed by South, that would be lovely. So at least you are being kept in check by them. How do you feel about a mass claim Doc? I'm for it. I'm town aligned, it'll do no harm to tell me what you are. I already know who so many people are that the smallest slip-up would be the end for any faking mafia. This means every mafia will probably fake vet or townie, but even that is poisonous for them. The problem is it has to be to me or SouthRawrea and putting all your eggs in one basket is a very risky play. If someone else who wasn't me was in this position I'd be reluctant unless I was as convinced they were town as I am for, say, Amber[Light]
Oh, you want a mass claim to just you? I was thinking a mass claim in thread...
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On December 01 2010 22:07 SouthRawrea wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 12:04 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 01 2010 12:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
btw southrawrea has already been confirmed by a dt, you can roleclaim to him
i've been sharing literally everything with southrawrea and the dt. there is no information i have that they don't. If this can be confirmed by South, that would be lovely. So at least you are being kept in check by them. How do you feel about a mass claim Doc? I don't quite understand what needs to be confirmed but yeah I was dt checked N1 and DocH has been sharing his info with me. (Be back in about 8 hours TT.TT)
I just wanted the fact that he's sharing all his info with you to be confirmed. As much as I trust doc at this point, a little reassurance is nice.
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Amber, can you remind me why you are basically confirmed please? I don't think you answered me when I first asked.
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I had missed that post, thanks amber.
But I'm with Coag, I don't really see how that confirms you.
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On December 02 2010 01:00 Coagulation wrote:
amber is pretty legit.
not 100% confirmed but close enough.
This. The only thing that I don't like is amber being like "cuz, ya know, I'm confirmed townie and all" in every single post. It's as if he's REALLY trying to ingrain it in our brains.
Also, you should have linked the post that showed you were townie, amber, not a post that really proved nothing. But I will trust you for now.
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On December 03 2010 00:18 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 23:07 youngminii wrote:
I honestly think everyone that's going against Radfield should read the above post, twice, and reconsider your decision. And focus on who? Switch to Dr.H? He currently holds a lot of information on this game. I didn't ask people to claim to him, but they did. Now, we go with the flow. We need to put a little faith into Dr.H, or admit he is Mafia and that he knows most of the blue roles, which means that even if we get him, the town is screwed. Now, also consider the fact that we need someone who will gather up more votes then whoever wants to lynch Dr.H. I doubt this will happen in time. Give the town a better target. Not you in particular, but anyone!
Yeah, we just have to accept that if Doc is mafia, the game has already been lost for town. Which is why I'm putting my faith in him.
Who would you suggest as a better target than Rad youngminii? Aside from Doc, of course. He will be very useful to town because he holds all the information. Hopefully, if there is a leak in the circle, he will find it.
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On December 04 2010 10:54 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 10:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I have designed a whole knew set up after this game to teach force you guys to learn how the fuck to play PM games. Rule number one: Don't roleclaim to random people LOL Thank god. With that "good luck town" I was afraid he was actually town. Praise jebus!
Haha yes, the amount of Day 1 claiming was astounding.
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Does anyone else find the extremely blatant bandwagon of youngminii a bit odd? I mean, I understand the reasoning behind why the mafia wouldn't want to come to his defense at all, because he is obviously going to be lynched. It just seems to easy. He does seem to be scum though, so there's no reason not to vote for him I guess.
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On December 06 2010 10:33 kitaman27 wrote:
Can I request that the mad hatter either pm me or someone they trust to reveal who they have bombs on right now?
Since Kav chose me to take on his tasks after Doc handed them to him, the MH has asked me to communicate for him. Why should he trust you enough to tell you kita?
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I have been toying with the idea of lynching the MH for the last couple of hours. I have talked to him about it, and he seems to think it's not an awful idea. I've been doing homework, so I haven't been able to crunch the numbers, thanks kita.
Basically, I feel like our percentages are the same. Either we lynch a non-MH player, or we lynch the MH. If we lynch town, we lose, if the MH has a bomb on town, we lose. However, if we just do a lynch, I'm not sure we will be able to get 4 consecutive scum lynches, that's a lot without mistakes. If the MH has the bombs on two scum, then boom, we only have 2 scum left, and that will be a lot easier. I am actually leaning towards lynching the hatter being the better choice.
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