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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
November 27 2010 21:36 GMT
#361
sorry Pandain. i voted you cause we were neck and neck
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 27 2010 21:40 GMT
#362
Alright I have to share this:

Im a special townie and no interesting things in PMs
-----------------------------------------
Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
Seriously considering voting for you. BB is a risky choice on Day 1 but I shake the feeling you're just one of those townies who fucks ups and always makes himself look kinda red.

Why did you say "I can't die"?

and did u hear anything interesting in PMs?


that's from kenpachi

earlier we had this conversation:

DoctorHelvetica:
it'll cause mad suspicions on me dude, dta is already trying to get me lynched just cause some idiot already roleclaimed to me

i didn't get busdriver, i was kidding

i'm not telling anybody my role yet. if a DT confirms to me or something then I'll confirm it to them, but for now my lips are sealed ;o

as should yours be

if you are a DT though, i may have some advice/use for you. don't tell me if you are, just take my advice in stride when I give it if you are the DT. if you know a DT, pass it on.

i'd like to see you active in PM's in this game at least, since you don't really react much in thread

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From Kenpachi:
hey maybe you should reveal this PM in the thread to bait some scum who will try to alter this from blue or red role to confirmed red role(without my name and this reply ofc) Though, agressive players might take the bait and analyze this post like crazy.. If you feel this would cause suspicions on you, you dont have to.

Also, do some, all or none of the green townies get some random role? you got busdriver and that isnt a blue role..
BTW, idk how you got the assumption that i cant be green
-----------------------------------------
Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
well i kno u cant be green since you said you're not miller

i wont reveal u as probable blue/red thought. you don't have to roleclaim to me if you don't want but I am going to be trying to form a town circle.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From Kenpachi:
or i might be a special townie :D
-----------------------------------------
Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
so ur just normal townie right

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From Kenpachi:
No.. im not the miller or a witch last time i checked (2 minutes ago)
dunno if i can believe that your a DT

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
im the dt and i checked you

you're mafia :/

r u the miller?


now we had this exchange:

well im saying special townie because you said you were busdriver and I got the assumption that normal townies might have some role.
-----------------------------------------
Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
I feel uncomfortable about you

why do you keep saying "special townie" role instead of blue? the only "special townies" are miller and chaos ensuant and you said you weren't the miller

so i don't know what to think right now. but if you were chaos ensuant why would you hint that to me?


So he thinks maybe he was a special townie because I knew I was "busdriver" (obvious fake claim/joke), then wouldn't he know what his special role is?

He says "I can't die" as though he knows he has some important role purpose then when I ask him why he said that he says "Oh, I'm a special townie" when the only reason he was saying that was because he didn't read the rules/thread and just took what I said at face value. So Kenpachi:

did u think maybe you had a special role as a townie that was hidden and secret from you? because in some of these PM's you seem pretty sure that is the case

does he seriously misunderstand the rules that bad. why is he jumping from being unsure about whether or not he is special to being very sure and even using it as a case as to why he should not be lynched? kenpachi you need to explain this whole thing.

order of conversations:
the second quote was the first conversation we had
then the first
lastly the third

note before the last 2 conversations I told him i was kidding about being the busdriver
RIP Aaliyah
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
November 27 2010 21:41 GMT
#363
On November 28 2010 06:36 Kenpachi wrote:
sorry Pandain. i voted you cause we were neck and neck


%@#%!????

are you like completely indifferent to the fact doch is talking about you being anti town and posting incriminating pm's for everyone to read or what.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
November 27 2010 21:48 GMT
#364
On November 28 2010 06:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Alright I have to share this:
Show nested quote +

Im a special townie and no interesting things in PMs
-----------------------------------------
Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
Seriously considering voting for you. BB is a risky choice on Day 1 but I shake the feeling you're just one of those townies who fucks ups and always makes himself look kinda red.

Why did you say "I can't die"?

and did u hear anything interesting in PMs?


that's from kenpachi

earlier we had this conversation:

Show nested quote +
DoctorHelvetica:
it'll cause mad suspicions on me dude, dta is already trying to get me lynched just cause some idiot already roleclaimed to me

i didn't get busdriver, i was kidding

i'm not telling anybody my role yet. if a DT confirms to me or something then I'll confirm it to them, but for now my lips are sealed ;o

as should yours be

if you are a DT though, i may have some advice/use for you. don't tell me if you are, just take my advice in stride when I give it if you are the DT. if you know a DT, pass it on.

i'd like to see you active in PM's in this game at least, since you don't really react much in thread

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From Kenpachi:
hey maybe you should reveal this PM in the thread to bait some scum who will try to alter this from blue or red role to confirmed red role(without my name and this reply ofc) Though, agressive players might take the bait and analyze this post like crazy.. If you feel this would cause suspicions on you, you dont have to.

Also, do some, all or none of the green townies get some random role? you got busdriver and that isnt a blue role..
BTW, idk how you got the assumption that i cant be green
-----------------------------------------
Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
well i kno u cant be green since you said you're not miller

i wont reveal u as probable blue/red thought. you don't have to roleclaim to me if you don't want but I am going to be trying to form a town circle.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From Kenpachi:
or i might be a special townie :D
-----------------------------------------
Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
so ur just normal townie right

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From Kenpachi:
No.. im not the miller or a witch last time i checked (2 minutes ago)
dunno if i can believe that your a DT

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
im the dt and i checked you

you're mafia :/

r u the miller?


now we had this exchange:
Show nested quote +

well im saying special townie because you said you were busdriver and I got the assumption that normal townies might have some role.
-----------------------------------------
Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
I feel uncomfortable about you

why do you keep saying "special townie" role instead of blue? the only "special townies" are miller and chaos ensuant and you said you weren't the miller

so i don't know what to think right now. but if you were chaos ensuant why would you hint that to me?


So he thinks maybe he was a special townie because I knew I was "busdriver" (obvious fake claim/joke), then wouldn't he know what his special role is?

He says "I can't die" as though he knows he has some important role purpose then when I ask him why he said that he says "Oh, I'm a special townie" when the only reason he was saying that was because he didn't read the rules/thread and just took what I said at face value. So Kenpachi:

did u think maybe you had a special role as a townie that was hidden and secret from you? because in some of these PM's you seem pretty sure that is the case

does he seriously misunderstand the rules that bad. why is he jumping from being unsure about whether or not he is special to being very sure and even using it as a case as to why he should not be lynched? kenpachi you need to explain this whole thing.

order of conversations:
the second quote was the first conversation we had
then the first
lastly the third

note before the last 2 conversations I told him i was kidding about being the busdriver

well you roleclaimed busdriver and made me think thats a possibility.. I dont fully trust you so i said special townie including Blue, secret green role (ie Busdriver that you claimed, and not so sure if this is even in play) and i guess black roles..
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
November 27 2010 21:50 GMT
#365
.. wait what?

so are you denying being chaos or not wtf.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 27 2010 21:51 GMT
#366
if you read the thread you would know there are no hidden roles. also you said at one point "i am a special townie" and connected it to your post in the voting thread that you couldn't die.

pandain suggested you might be chaos ensuant and it makes sense considering your rhetoric.
RIP Aaliyah
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
November 27 2010 21:51 GMT
#367
On November 28 2010 06:50 Coagulation wrote:
.. wait what?

so are you denying being chaos or not wtf.

Ofc im denying chaos.
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
November 27 2010 21:53 GMT
#368
On November 28 2010 06:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
if you read the thread you would know there are no hidden roles. also you said at one point "i am a special townie" and connected it to your post in the voting thread that you couldn't die.

pandain suggested you might be chaos ensuant and it makes sense considering your rhetoric.

yea i read the roles but i think i got mixed up with the townie description..
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Glasse
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1237 Posts
November 27 2010 21:53 GMT
#369
wow pming drh is a bad thing i guess

he just posts everything rofl
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
November 27 2010 21:55 GMT
#370
On November 28 2010 06:53 Glasse wrote:
wow pming drh is a bad thing i guess

he just posts everything rofl



well hes going about it in an extremely pro town way
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
November 27 2010 21:57 GMT
#371
if you see a scumslip in pm land talk about it.

its only questionable when you start posting pm's that are not relevent to scum hunting that are intended to do more damage then good.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
November 27 2010 22:00 GMT
#372
On November 28 2010 06:04 deconduo wrote:
As coag said, the PM thing is pretty irrelevant. I'm not going to tell someone my true feelings through PM, especially because I have no idea if I'm talking to maf or not. I would like to hear what annul has to say about it though.


drh PMed me before day post even came up...

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From: DoctorHelvetica [ 9498 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: sup witch buddy
Date: 11/26/10 12:13
and by everybody i mean like 5 people becuase im too lazy to pm everyone

ghrur is dumb and thinks i am actually mafia who didn't get the pm with my teammates SIGH

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From annul:
what?

if youre claiming witch then i think you just broke the game, cuz i did not get sent a witch role =\

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
lol so who else in our team?



so i mean drh seems to be messaging everybody with garbage like this; its not really surprising in a newbie game that maybe 1 person is going to bite. so of course i dont believe any PM claims.

i do think though that you can look at what is said in PM as evidence for day 1 lynches, but not in a "well he claimed so we believe him" way
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
November 27 2010 22:04 GMT
#373
Looking through the voting forum, some things stand out to me.

1. Aidnai, why did you decide to bandwagon Pandain? Everyone else has a reason, but I think it would be best if you also gave us a reason too.

2. Annul, answer the same question as #1.

3. Kenpachi, why did you suddenly, instead of keeping your vote on pandain to save your own neck, decide to vote Annul?

4. Glasse, I don't think its the best evidence against coag to vote him simplay because he has been red before. Didn't something like this happen to DrH in insane or something? (although we didnt lynch him)

5. Georgeclooney, are you really going to waste your vote on brownbear just cause he voted on you? I mean a counter-vote really isnt very useful to town.

I think I'll vote for kenpachi. He has not been an asset to town, so either he is being lazy or he is not trying to help town.
The other leading candidate for lynch, pandain, at least has taken the time to post analysis of some people.
I would much rather lynch a person who is not productive than a person who actively contributes.


The next person I have my eye on as a lurker is scaramanga; few contributing posts too.

And with all seriousness, we should FoS people who switch their votes at the last second.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
November 27 2010 22:04 GMT
#374
well what he is doing is pretty smart. considering how many newbies there are here.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
November 27 2010 22:09 GMT
#375
smart yeah, but i almost feel like it is an unfair thing to do. many newbies may not understand their roles so well... or maybe make assumptions about what people can say and do about roles, etc. i know, for example, in one place i play mafia on IRC, it is illegal to fake claim detective as a civ in a 9 player game (2 mafia 1 dt 6 civ). just saying.

as for point 2, because pandain is acting red to me and the choice was him or someone else?
SouthRawrea
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada608 Posts
November 27 2010 22:15 GMT
#376
He's not just looking for slipups but reactions. Also with mass PMs like this he begins establishing contacts immediately in the game causing to be a sort of convergence point of information.
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
November 27 2010 22:20 GMT
#377
On November 28 2010 07:04 KtheZ wrote:
Looking through the voting forum, some things stand out to me.

1. Aidnai, why did you decide to bandwagon Pandain? Everyone else has a reason, but I think it would be best if you also gave us a reason too.
...


I voted pandain as a placeholder. I was gone for the past day and was taking my time reading the thread, updating a spreadsheet, etc then I saw in the thread that we had ten hours left in the day, miscalculated what that actually meant, and panic voted my best bet at the time. I wasn't aware I was even bandwagoning.

I still dislike Panda's analysis of Annul, but that doesn't really mean anything about Pandain's alignment.

I was about to switch my vote to DTA, but now this kenpachi thing just came up and I'm reconsidering...
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
November 27 2010 23:06 GMT
#378
A little less than 2 hours remain, make sure to vote.
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Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
November 27 2010 23:10 GMT
#379
I think it's silly to be voting Pandain at this point and it would be a bad choice to lynch him over kenpachi or brownbear, who have both actually shown some suspicious activity.
whole lies with a half smile
EsbenPM
Profile Joined April 2006
Denmark364 Posts
November 27 2010 23:12 GMT
#380
Hmm, i'm going to vote Brownbear for now as his action seems the strangest so far. As people has pointed out all he has done is trying to get discussion going and then disapear with no follow up what so ever. While the case aganist him is kindda weak i feel lynching an inactive(Who supposedly played the same way and was mafia) is better then lynching players who are actually posting and can be caught at a later time.

Besides him the main candidates Kenpachi and Pandain just seems like people who have become targetted because there are no one else. Kenpachi have acted strange/dum, but i feel like people are looking too hard for something that aint there, and the main case aganist pandain was his inactivity which he has cleared up, so for now i don't want to vote for either of them.
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