Don't lose yo village!

On November 12 2010 13:22 LSB wrote:
Doctor, protect yourself night 1 if possible. Same thing as what deconduo said, but chance to prevent a hit

(or if we get a plan going, the tracker)

On November 13 2010 10:13 LSB wrote:
STORK WILL OVERCOME ALL!!!!

On November 14 2010 09:46 KtheZ wrote:


I would take what artanis says with a grain of salt; we cant confirm if hes telling the truth or lying.

On November 14 2010 11:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't think this play would make much sense as mafia. Their best bet would be to hope for a medic save, since if they fakeclaim and the real person that got hit claims it's 50/50 for them to get lynched. The chance of a mafia taking that risk this early is unlikely, as proven by LSB's tracker claim without any counterclaim. They seem to be hesitant to do so as of yet.

On November 14 2010 11:36 KtheZ wrote:
Yeah, I highly doubt mafia would hold back their kill this night, or that mafia just so happened to hit whoever was being protected.
Artanis is probably telling the truth.

On November 15 2010 02:39 KtheZ wrote:
I think it is probably safe to say artanis really is a vet; He seems to have a legit role pm.
He said that he is neither calm nor clam, but nowhere in the rules said that the vet role would be both calm/clam.
Unless another vet comes and refutes artanis's role pm claim (because it is safe to assume the other vet got the same pm), then we can say artanis really is town.

On November 15 2010 01:20 LSB wrote:
Come to think about it
Artanis[Xp] was probably hit because 1) He didn't have any relations to anyone. 2) He's probably regarded as a vet.

On November 15 2010 03:45 KtheZ wrote:


You know DrH, I was thinking the same thing. It would have been so much more convenient if a mafia claimed clam or something.

But getting back on track:
Artanis stated that in his role pm calm/clam were interchangeable, since he did not know which one he was.
It is probably safe to assume the other vet also got the same PM.
Since there is another vet, if they remain silent, it is most likely a confirmation that what artanis said is correct, and that he really is vet.
If Artanis IS lying about his role, I would urge the other vet to tell us. However, while saying this, I also want to note that roleclaiming as the second vet may not be a good idea at this point. You would paint yourself as a prime target for MC.
Anyway, if artanis is correct about his role PM, vet stay silent.
If he is lying, sorry for the WIFOM, then real vet, you get to make a decision.

On November 15 2010 03:51 Pandain wrote:
Just putting this out here: Dr. H what was your plan?
Also would like to hear feedback from other players(like KtheZ)

On November 15 2010 03:57 Pandain wrote:


as in "dang was hoping we caught a scum"
and "Was hoping he would claim clam and than mafia claims calm" or something.

On November 15 2010 04:00 Pandain wrote:


LSB what about this.

In addition, I think you should track Dr. H tonight, and doctor and shrink both protect you.

On November 15 2010 12:14 Coagulation wrote:

so you vote pandain cause he voted you?
OMGUS Much?

On November 15 2010 12:17 Pandain wrote:

I knew I would regret it.
Yet now if i withdraw vote I look scummy
But again, who else do you think is a good lynch?

On November 15 2010 12:54 LSB wrote:
Oh yeah.

Don't you think if Coagulation was mafia, his partner would have forced him to convert someone else day one?

On November 15 2010 18:44 youngminii wrote:
Okay right now I think Pandain is not scum. Basically it all boils down to the fact that he went against no lynch. Now, the lynch is the town's most important weapon for two reasons. One is it allows you to kill someone. Two is because of the activity and discussion it generates. These two reasons mean a lynch should never be passed up UNLESS there's a specific scenario that benefits the town by not lynching (ie. 2 scum and 4 town, if there's a mislynch then town loses but if you abstain then you get to live another day with 2 scum and 3 town).

In that light:
Vote DoctorHelvetica
My vote is based on the fact that in Insane Mafia he was so adamant about defending himself against all of Pandain's silly accusations yet in this game he just fires right back at Pandain.
metagame ftw

On November 15 2010 23:48 youngminii wrote:

This is a wishy washy post. Instead of saying "Shrink/Doctor should not do this" he says "I really don't like the idea of..." He comes off as passive, doesn't push his opinion aggressively so that he doesn't put too much spotlight on himself. He gives 'advice' - "Don't be scared to pressure" which is obvious and makes him look pro-town. It also sets himself up to start pressuring people, which will ultimately lead to people getting lynched and allowing him to paint other people in a bad light.

As scum, of course he doesn't mind a mass roleclaim. Mass roleclaiming this early will only help scum, and instead of saying "Don't roleclaim" like a townie would, he says IF you roleclaim blah blah blah. Hell, even the core of his post is scummy, of course he doesn't want Shrinks and Doctors to have their actions coordinated by town, it'll only help scum so he tries to put down the idea as under the radar as possible.


Trying to prevent town from coordination and planning. The less information the town has, the better for scum.


Possible link here between DrH and Coag. If DrH flips red, I'd keep an eye on Coag. Maybe DrH is defending Coag because he thinks Coag will probably end up hurting town by his play (no offence Coag!)


Still trying to hush down the information town has. I think we can accept artanis as town for now, it won't hurt anyone to do so. We can determine his alignment later on if things don't add up. DrH on the other hand, blankets this information with a veil of insecurity, a very scum-like play.


The old "I'm probably the target" cover. Makes him look as secure as possible if he brings up the idea of mafia trying to target him.


"i said I'm changing my game strategy" - simplest cover

Instead of playing as he normally does (logical, defensive, assertive, mannered and well presented), he kind of just dismisses the accusations against him, tries to put the limelight on other people and then posts in a very aggressive manner.


THIS IS NOT DRH TOWN STYLE PLAY. DrH would never be a jackass like this as town, he's pulling a Coag here.


..No.


The gem of DrH's posts. He uses his jackass attitude that he's created in this game to try and push a vote against Pandain.

First, DrH is not a jackass. It is beneficial if he acts like one though, if he can attack someone aggressively for a reason as simple as OMGUS.
Second, lynching for information is not a bad thing. It is a good thing. Especially when there's someone scummy around.
Thrid, who was the one that originally said "don't be afraid to pressure"? Lynching is a form of pressure, you pressure someone then lynch them if they don't act accordingly. You are saying don't lynch for information, that is essentially saying don't pressure for information. This is contradictory and scummy.

For more information go read Pandain's analysis, it covers most of DrH's earlier posts where it's just mindless, under-the-radar type of posting.

i imagine it'll be just as bad/even worse than his attacks on me earlier

the more he can do to discredit himself as a valuable player the more everyone will see that nothing he says makes any sense and we can move on to more pressing issues

YOU ARE SO BAD AT LYING

Why don't you go ahead and say I made the role of sticky up so I can make you look even more desperate and ridiculous.

This is baseless bullshit designed to make me look bad. That's all that is. This is garbage.

Good, maybe Pandain will stop his dumb campaign of bullshit against me now.

On November 16 2010 02:45 youngminii wrote:
I especially love how you start off your defense by saying "wow this is bad". Your aggressiveness is so different to how you played in the early game, it's almost as if you've completely changed your style to suit your needs. Oh wait what that sounds scummy.

Wow this is bad.
Wow.

On November 16 2010 03:20 youngminii wrote:
Please don't try to pick one part of my argument and act like it represents my entire argument so you can attack that specific point and make it look like you're logically attacking my entire argument. I hope no one falls for it, I really do.

You say you posted too much as town. What have you posted in this game? Meaningless posts, until Pandain accused you. Then you got all aggressive and mad and tried to turn the tide back on him. Bad scum, bad.

On November 14 2010 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I really don't like the idea of everyone knowing what the shrink/doctors are gonna do. If we direct the blues that easily then the mafia simply only have to do exactly the opposite of what they shrink has claimed to do in the thread.

If the mafia know the shrink is protecting player x, they will just never convert player x, meaning they will never fail in their conversion.

The doctor and the shrink should feel comfortable acting on their own discretion. You need to understand what the best targets for mafia are. For death, strong blues (like LSB) will be the main target. For conversion, veterans/good players (myself, LSB) will be the strongest targets. Try to predict what the mafia are going to do, don't give them information. If we're going to do some sort of mass roleclaim thing, it needs to be set-up so that the mafia are forced to give the town bogus information. Mafia want to play the game giving as little information as possible in regards to everything, forcing them to come out of the woodwork is what will make them slip-up. Don't be scared to pressure.

On November 16 2010 03:21 youngminii wrote:
You changed your style from the beginningish of this game. You were all passive and got all aggressive as soon as someone tried to point fingers at you.

On November 16 2010 03:29 youngminii wrote:

Case closed.

On November 16 2010 02:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


Wow this is bad. You guys are going to kick yourself in the teeth and town better lynch you if I flip blue. Unlike Pandain, you're pretty smart with mafia and I would never expect you to make a bad analysis like this.

First let me address the OMGUS thing because coagulation made the same mistake (and I believe he is your scumbuddy). OMGUS is voting for someone ONLY because they voted for you. It is not necessarily a scumtell. Voting for someone who voted for you does not necessitate an OMGUS. If I felt Pandains arguments were scummy (such as they were in Insane Mafia) then that's a reasonable time to start a counter bandwagon.

OMGUS is if you vote for me without saying anything and I just suddenly vote for you back. There's no argument, no scum analysis, no nothing.

Relying on mafiascum scumtells to "scumhunt" is the worst thing you could ever do. About half the time they are just bad play. You should be aware of them but the most important thing to note is how the mafia subtly defend themselves and one another, how they argue, etc. Do you really think a player such as myself is going to go around doing all the obvious scumtells (OMGUS, Chainsaw, etc.)

Secondly lets talk about meta because I'm sick of this thing. "He didn't play the same way as Insane Mafia!" Well guess what? I'm not playing the same way as I have in ANY game where I've been mafia either? What does that mean? That means the meta speculation is completely 100% inconclusive.

Let me say this AGAIN because it seems neither you or Pandain understood or read it or something. In Insane Mafia, as town, I did TOO MUCH POSTING. NOT ENOUGH THINKING. Because i posted everything that came to mind, the mafia knew what I was thinking and could manipulate my thought process more. Read Ver's (best town player here) guide on how to play town. He advises town players not to POST CONSTANTLY. To keep some of their thoughts to themselves. Read it read it read it. This is not the play of a mafia.

No jackass attitude? What are you talking about? I've posted like a "jackass" twice in my mafia career: Insane Mafia (town), Micro Mafia (mafia). As town I have no issues calling a player terrible. Read my arguments with Pandain in insane mafia. I constantly say "your arguments are retarded, you are bad, you suck stop trying"

I laughed at him and belittled his terrible arguments just like I did here. Because they were just that: retarded arguments. And I laughed at them. I didn't just coolly and logically deconstruct them, I openly mocked them. This is not inconsistent posting behavior for me dude, you're grasping at straws.

And guess what happens when you prod at a mafia a little bit, make them mad? They want to attack you even more. They fuck up even more and make themselves look even worse. Don't be an idiot, I posted many times with this tone in the Insane Mafia game.

"Lynching for information is a good thing"

Not when you're lynching your most experienced player to get information on who? Artanis? Coagulation? Are you fucking kidding me lol. Lynching for information is pretty good super late game when you know you can catch a bunch of mafia that way.

So let me ask you YM. What great information will you get when I die? Is that the scumplan to bandwagon Pandain right after? Maybe town should think before they lynch the best player on such terrible arguments.

-The lynch coagulation thing was a joke. I was at work on my phone.
-"This is not DrH style play" Well I already told you why thats wrong. The point of that post was so that town would lynch Pandain when I flip blue, a reasonable request. Now I'd like to request they lynch you instead.
-It's not a defense, it's a fact. Sorry I'm not posting 100% of my thoughts like a retard in this thread. I've never been very well mannered, don't know where you got that. "Kinda dismisses" maybe you missed the posts where I actually did pick Pandain's bad arguments apart?
-"I'm probably the target" is not a COVER. It makes me look scummy that I survived, not the opposite. Jesus.
-Hush down what information? LOL do you really think that we as town should say everything on our minds and give eachother all information in the open where mafia can see it? Of course you want complete open trade if information, it helps you doesn't it? But where in that post am I "blanketing" anything?
-I'd say the connection is between coag and you. I've hosted 2 games with coagulation and played in him with 3. He is not good at responding to pressure, he just simply doesn't and it wastes time. I'd rather pressure a different inactive. I'm not defending him. I think he might just maybe be your scumbuddy.
-"Trying to prevent town from coordination and planning. The less information the town has, the better for scum." You're a clown. I've explained many times while this is not beneficial for the town to share and why it helps the mafia to share it. Let me elaborate.

1. As bandwagons form, peoples natural opinions of who is or isn't town will naturally affect that.
2. As the town reveals who they feel is definitely town, the mafia can avoid bandwagoning hard targets, can also reinforce the idea that one of their own is town and manipulate the shit out of town.
3. We need to be discussing who is or isn't mafia, not who is town. Sorry our goal in this game is to lynch mafia players.

You're reading too much into the phrase "I really don't like the idea of."

I NEVER SAID I DON'T WANT SHRINKS AND DOCTORS TO BE COORDINATED. Listen. You should not BROADCAST exactly what the fucking blues are going to do. If the Mafia knows Doctors are proting player X then they just have to hit player Y. The whole point of the Doctor is to predict the mafia and block a shot.

"It will also set him up to start pressuring people.

GASP OH NO HE'S GONNA PRESSURE PEOPLE

Also I'm still thinking about the idea of a mass roleclaim. There is only 1 of every role besides the mafia and the bulletproof. The mafia suspects would be narrowed down to four and 1/2 of those suspects in the roleclaim would be mafia. Narrowing it down to 50/50 would allow us to go back at the posts and see among which the scummiest are.

It would probably be more of a nuisance to the mafia than anything. More so than TELLING THEM WHAT THE DOCTOR OR SHRINK IS GOING TO DO.

On November 16 2010 06:25 Pandain wrote:


How many times do I have to say this.

Lynching for information only applies to whether to lynch or to not. And right now your saying we shouldn't lynch, which is stupid, because lynching provides us information. Obviously lynching a specific person over another person for information is stupid, but I'm not talking about that.

And screw that whole segondou thing right now. We have only like 30 minutes left here.

On November 16 2010 06:59 Coagulation wrote:
does anyone else feel a youngminni pandain link going on??

On November 16 2010 07:13 Kenpachi wrote:
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well ill be back in an hour
im sure youngminii will read this thread for an idea on who to take down..

On November 16 2010 08:02 Pandain wrote:

except it won't be because it'll be 7v2 still.

Actually I'm thinking this would be preffered. Cause then it would be 2 confirmed already, and I know I am(so i guess 3 confirmed for each respective player.)

On November 16 2010 08:21 Kenpachi wrote:

Bad idea. then mafia can just sacrifice themselves for important roles.