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If there's room in the replacement list, (or in the game) then I'll join. /in | ||
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Also, what does Dr H mean about bodyguards? | ||
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At the moment, Fishball has given us the most concrete reason to vote for/against him. His alleged circle offers us advantages that we can use but might leave us vulnerable to infiltration. Does anyone else have a good reason why we should support your bid to become mayor? Is a person who has been visited by the Plague Doctor gain immunity for the remainder of the game? If so, then the Plague Doctor should visit the mayor as soon as possible. I wonder how "insane" this is going to get... A truly insane game shouldn't follow set rules. However, without a well-defined set of rules, a game becomes meaningless. I'm excited to see how this game will play out! Have fun everyone! =) | ||
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What we really need is for someone in the town to make a really strong case for themselves. Unfortunately, it would still be hard to distinguish Reds from Blues. | ||
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On October 29 2010 18:36 kingjames01 wrote: Is a person who has been visited by the Plague Doctor gain immunity for the remainder of the game? I decided to play this game from the beginning as though everyone was mafia but me. DrH supposed role is "Sticky" On October 30 2010 11:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Oh, I see. The name of the role is Sticky. You can see earlier that I used the word sticky to try to see if Node had the same role as me. As far as making it up, that would be the worst mafia play in the history of mafia. Again like I said (this is the millionth time now) In order to fake this role I have to out a scumbuddy every single day, who has to lie, putting pressure on an increasing amount of mafia. I would also have to fake the second part of my role, which would be impossible to do since the results are objective and not able to be manipulated. DrH, you've been mafia MANY times before as you've said. You, better than anyone, should know that is not the ONLY way to fake this role. Everyone, consider this scenario. The mafia share the names and abilities of their individual roles with the group. DrH claims the name and abilities of one of his mafia teammates, ie. "Sticky". He gets elected mayor during the day and then at night, he gets elected Godfather. As Godfather, he chooses to appear as "Sticky" to any detective checks. At night, the real "Sticky" does whatever "Stickies" are supposed to do. When day breaks, DrH claims responsibility so we start to believe him more. We go along with his scheming and then we lose. He's given us this description of his role but it doesn't assuage my hesitations. On October 30 2010 12:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: My platform or why I'm running for mayor Simply,I have a role which can do two things: confirm itself to another player at night and help to stop the spread of murrayitis. The first ability will confirm I am who I say I am to the town, if used correctly, and the second will limit the mafia from using the plague to achieve their win condition. I will not allow poor bandwagons and mafia manipulation to influence my decisions and I offer coordination powers that are uncorruptable. How exactly does your role work? How WILL we know that you're legitimately town? What if you pretend to use your "ability" and another Red says, "Hey, DrH came to me in my dreams and now I KNOW he's Blue." What I want from DrH is to convince me that this is not the case. If he cannot provide that, he will not get my vote. | ||
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On October 13 2010 13:02 BrownBear wrote: Night 3 It was a dark and stormy night. The survivors huddled in the ruins of their houses, shivering, makeshift weapons pointed at the doors. Bill Murray had found a pointy stick. It was his favorite pointy stick. He had named it Sticky. Thunder crashed in the distance as he shivered in his bed, Sticky pointed directly at the door, pointy end first. The door creaked open. Bill Murray leaped up and screamed "PROTECT ME, STICKY!!!", then charged at the door, Sticky first. Bill Murray the Miller is now dead. Anybody have any ideas how this is related to DrH's role? Maybe if we can figure that out we can confirm/deny DrH's claims. | ||
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On October 30 2010 13:31 bumatlarge wrote: I think it's safe to say you are claiming plague doctor, and the person you protect gets notified that you did this? That could be convenient. I do find it possible that mafia could have there own plague doctor, but Im not here to speculate that. If you use your power on me, and I can add you, we can start a circle. To verify it, you would give me one bodyguard who I would relay all of the information I learn. A medic can protect me if they wish, without fearing M-rus. If there is another plague doctor besides Dr.H (if that is what you are) Id suggst picking fishball, who has stated he has means to a circle and a role. That way another medic can choose between myself and fishball to protect. Whats really important is that the medics are safe in this from the M-rus, and if fishball or I die from a lucky shot by mafia, then oh well, fishball or myself die. Is this plausible Dr. H? If so, then you have my vote. DrH is NOT claiming Plague Doctor. He says that he can tell if someone has the plague but he cannot confer immunity. His other apparent ability is to have Artanis PM a player with confirmation that DrH is who he says he is. I'm still not sure why that would be related to Sticky. | ||
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On October 30 2010 13:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I might as well say how my power works. Once during the night I can poke someone. On October 30 2010 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I can't directly quote a role PM but the idea is that "I gained life from Bill Murrays death" Ah! Now your role makes sense! It also makes sense that you can't be infected since Sticky was intimately tied to BM. (hahahaha! BTW, I have to say that BM's death that game was one of the funniest death scenes ever.) | ||
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On October 30 2010 13:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: sticky is a stick I poke people with a stick and they are told if I poked them or not. If the poke is unsuccessful than I know that person has m-rus or that I was roleblocked if there is a roleblocker. haha, I got it. I just posted too late and you had already explained it in the thread... Thus, I look like an idiot. =) Well, if it turns out that your role is legitimate, then as a Mayor you'd be unable to die except by lynch or if your bodyguards die first. Also, does anyone ACTUALLY have confirmation that there will be bodyguards? Someone threw it out there and then we all assumed it to be true but no official ruling has been made... | ||
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On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote: Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid  if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM.DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. | ||
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On October 30 2010 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta. I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme: - Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis - Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky - There is an actual role called "Sticky" - Sticky's ability involves poking people On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Day 1 Rise and Shine! It is now Day 1! And no one is infected by Murrayitis... Yet. If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet. However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you. | ||
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I hope this doesn't get lost by the morning. I want people to see this and think about it. At the moment, DrH has a lot of support for the position of mayor. I'm unwilling to elect someone called "Sticky" when it's so clear that Sticky was intimately connected with Bill Murray's death and, therefore, also intimately tied with Murrayitis. What better way to spread a disease than to poke someone with an infected stick? | ||
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Consider for a moment: An Insane Cop does not know that his actions are opposite to what he expects. This is an Insane Mafia game. Perhaps there are actually a lot of Insane roles in this game. As I've said before, a truly Insane game must be, by definition, unpredictable. What I mean to say is, we, as players, need to stop relying on what we KNOW from the past and start playing based on the set of rules that we infer from this game ONLY. It would not be fair for the mods to change the rules mid-game, but it is completely in their power to take advantage of our preconceptions on what a Mafia game is. Remember, this is INSANE MAFIA. | ||
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On October 30 2010 14:28 orgolove wrote: Anyone who was even remotely invested in the Haunted Mafia game would be horrified at the prospect of letting you become the Mayor after the way you completely screwed up the game in the final days. Gj killing one of the last 3 mafia, letting the vamps just stroll to victory -_- I have no interest in allowing someone who screws up in that magnitude in a job as the town mayor. First, you need to STOP with the personal attacks. How does your personal crusade help anyone in this game? Focus on what is relevant. We're going to need logic to get through an insane game. Anyway, a couple of comments about this following post: On October 30 2010 14:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It seems like you're trying to use this pretty far out possibility as a point against me. hehe, "point". Was that an intended pun? =) On October 30 2010 14:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: The same sort of arguments could be applied to almost any player, that their role could be INSANE and unhelpful and all that jazz. I think I've done enough to prove to you guys that I'm on your side as town. You're pressing it so hard it's almost suspicious ;0 although i understand not wanting to leave any stone of possibility unturned I'm being sincere in my attempts to further this discussion. I agree that you seem town, especially since you voluntarily gave information about your role even before you realized the significance of the title. I am not trying to discredit you. You're under fire only because you were the the most recent candidate to sum up your position. Then I asked for more specifics and now we're discussing that your role may be tainted. I just want the town to perform their due diligence before we elect our Mayor. | ||
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Oh come on guys, I've been doing it for pages...  On October 30 2010 14:19 kingjames01 wrote: What better way to spread a disease than to poke someone with an infected stick? | ||
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On October 30 2010 15:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: the only other alternative I see is that the disease is dropped on somebody through an RNG by artanis Okay, after reading this post I searched through the thread looking for an official ruling. I remember one of the mods confirmed that the mafia have control over Murrayitis, (at least to begin the game). I found that confirmation here: On October 29 2010 11:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Day 1 post: The Mayor can be infected by Murrayitis. Yes. Possible bodyguards are unfortunately piss poor medics. No information regarding possible poisonings is available, but the known effects of Murrayitis do not include death by poisoning on the second night. HOWEVER, I found this post by DrH as well: On October 29 2010 10:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: my guess is that the mafia has a role that can infect someone with murrayitis. if this is the case that role is our #1 target as town and is the role that mafia would probably want to have as mayor, since mayor is generally immune to rolechecks and special roles can not usually be godfather It sounds as though he is describing a Role like a tainted Sticky... Suppose that Sticky is the "mafia role that can infect someone with murrayitis". Well, then according to DrH, "that role is our #1 target as town and is the role that mafia would probably want to have as mayor, since mayor is generally immune to rolechecks and special roles can not usually be godfather" | ||
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At this point, I think that we're battling not only the mafia, but the mechanics of the game itself. It is beneficial for the mafia to limit the amount of information that the town has access to. If I'm not mistaken, they have the ability to PM. If that is the case, then it is very likely that they would have shared all of their roles within their group. That already puts us at a disadvantage. In addition to scum hunting, we should be thinking about how the game actually works. | ||
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On October 31 2010 15:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote: number 4 is probably little more than a jab at fox news. You're canadian so perhaps you aren't aware of it but "fair and balanced" is a joke at Fox's motto since they are well known for their conservative bias. In fact me and Artanis were joking about them and the phrase just a few days ago on MSN. Ah okay, hehe. I didn't realize that. =) On October 31 2010 15:23 infinitestory wrote: Don't forget about the booger-flinger. It seems clear that someone has the ability to neutralize a vote. Whoever that is, if you did it because you know who the "additional mafia vote" is, please claim. Ah, I forgot to include my thoughts about that incident. These are the posts in question. On October 31 2010 08:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Additional Mafia vote: ##DoctorHelvetica On October 31 2010 08:05 LSB wrote: SECRTZ MAFIA VOTE HAZ BEEN CAST =O Note that LSB (the co-host) posted 1 minute after Artanis[Xp]. He seems really excited about the fact that the random mafia vote was cast. That's probably not too significant since I'd be excited too if I were co-host. On October 31 2010 08:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Someone wasn't happy. He picked his nose and threw a booger at the anonimous mafia voter. In shame, the mafia quickly ran out, his vote negated. My initial thought was that the anonymous mafia voter was called down by his fellow mafiosos and "retracted" his vote. However, note that the term used was "negated". After thinking about this, I assume this means that the vote does not count and the anonymous mafia voter is unable to replace the vote. I don't know if any of the hosts are able to confirm this hypothesis but I'd be grateful for more information. =) To continue, this post does not exclude the possibility that the nose-picker is unaware of the true identity of the anonymous mafia voter. Consider this chain of events. Let's say that I'm the nose-picker. (I'm not, by the way). Perhaps, my abilities involve blocking one vote of my choice every day or once per game. I, as the nose-picker am checking on the voting thread. I see a vote cast by some anonymous mafia member. I decide to block the vote. My comments: - First, "He picked his nose and threw a booger" makes me think that the nose-picker is Fire Mario. I propose we now refer to him as Fire Mario. - Second, if this scenario is true, then Fire Mario does not know who the anonymous mafia voter is. - Third, if this scenario is true I hope that Fire Mario can use his ability more than once. Otherwise, that was a waste of a good ability. - Finally, if Fire Mario has more uses AND is pro-town, then I push for him to stay hidden. Use your ability from the shadows to block who you think is scum. | ||
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On October 31 2010 16:06 CubEdIn wrote: Hi all. I decided to roleclaim on day1, on someone I'd trust most. Since it was too confusing, I then decided to roleclaim after the mayor was picked, whoever it may be. I am a doctor. However, the Mafia knows this. Here is why: I was given the choice of the red pill or the blue pill. If I took the the red pill I would become a doctor, but the mafia is told of my role. If I took the blue pill, I would become a normal townie. I am allowed to protect myself as a doctor. So, if you were mafia, then you would already know this. If you're not, well I think I could be of help, but since Mafia knows of my role, I will try to protect myself as much as possible (denying a hit will be just as good as denying some other kill imo, unless we're sure the mafia honed in on a very important blue). Also, I was thinking that since I'll be protecting myself during night one, I suggest that Dr.H poked me with his stick to see what happens. If I got infected, I can cure myself, if not, you can tell that I'm blue, (assuming nobody is infected yet) and you can tell what happens when you poke people with minimal risk. This would also give some faith in you being what you claim you are, since the mafia vote was pretty suspicious (i'm thinking there could be more than one mafia do-gooder). But I'm not demanding that DrH pokes me, it was just a suggestion. Cheers! On October 31 2010 16:08 CubEdIn wrote: P.S.: I have also PMed Dr.H with this, since I didn't get to read that PMs were illegal unless both players were mafia. I hope this doesn't get me deadded, it won't happen again. EXACTLY WHEN did you PM DrH? I want to know how long he's had this information. This will help me to decide if he purposely withheld information and what his intentions were. Also, what's the name of your Role? We need all the information that we can get. | ||
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CubEdIn, can you share with us the name of your Role? (I'm going to guess, Insane Neo Doctor or maybe... Morpheoso Doctor (if you were Red)). | ||
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On October 31 2010 16:20 CubEdIn wrote: See above. The name is simply Neo. Thanks! I didn't see your response when I posted. I was close though. =) So far, only one name has surfaced that is related to Bill Murray, Sticky. My suggestion to you, DrH, is to think through this turn of events clearly. Whether you go through with it or not, we should all find out in the morning. It is in the mafia's best interest to mess this up in order to cast suspicion tomorrow. They are privy to our thoughts so don't announce your intentions in the thread. CubEdIn, think about your plans. You can protect yourself tonight or if you think of an extremely reason to protect someone else, do so. It doesn't matter if DrH pokes you and then you're infected. You can cure yourself tomorrow, if need be. | ||
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On October 31 2010 16:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If mafia know who you are, because you chose the red pill, why didn't you simply claim to the entire town instead? Was that due to the possibility that your role was insane and that mafia wouldn't actually be made aware? That's a really good point. If he was insane then the mafia wouldn't know. However, if we continue with that line of thought, I think risk-analysis would say that it is better for him to tell everyone. Case Neo: Mafia knows and town doesn't. Best course of action: Tell the town Insane Neo: No one knows but CubEdIn thinks the mafia do. His powers are limited by the paranoia. Best course of action: Tell the town | ||
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On October 31 2010 22:21 Ace wrote: I don't see anything that says youngminii is immune to a lynch. I think that was people jumping to wild conclusions. Suggest an alternative that explains how youngminii dodged a lynch. | ||
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On November 01 2010 07:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Interesting. I sure hope you can explain yourself : / It would be very easy for mafia to kill someone then fake a role that can discern who will die or something like that. I've felt very comfortable with your posting thus far but I hope your explanation is satisfactory or this makes you look very suspicious. It sounds like he has the ability to make Night Kill... I hope that he made a good choice and that BrownBear doesn't flip Blue. | ||
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I don't get it. =( | ||
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There were SO many mistakes made by the town. Unfortunately I was killed the first night... (WHAT THE HELL WAS UP WITH THAT???) It was obvious that Pandain's bid to become mayor was mafia-concocted. Two other players supported him with very shoddy reasoning. That should have been enough to kill 3 mafia. Another thing that really made my blood boil was the stupidity over the existence of the Godfather and whether or not Pandain could have been him. Godfather can choose to appear as WHATEVER he wants. The perfect role is to pretend that you know when someone is Red or Blue since you know that already. It is IDIOTIC to start with the assumption that there is no Godfather. Also, in order to win the game as town, you have to think like mafia. If some mafia is going to get lynched, the perfect plan is to bus a teammate, ESPECIALLY, if that means the Godfather is safe. I watched the entire game and I was not overly impressed with ANYONE's play. After the game, everyone is patting each other's backs and saying, "yeah, that was great how you pulled that off! You're a great player" or "that was some great analysis. You really got that right." NO! EVERYONE ELSE FUCKED UP. I'm so mad. =( | ||
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If you're FUCKING town, then put a little bit of thought into it, understand it and then go along with it, you shallow-minded fools. Don't make him explain himself. That negates the point of his move. He had a role which allowed him to take that risk. He took one for the team but you guys lynched him for it. | ||
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On November 12 2010 13:49 deconduo wrote: You were too good, thats why we killed you  hehe, thanks... I guess. (Damn you guys, I really wanted to play.) By the way, if you remember, I was the Self-Conscious Lazy Vigilante who could send in a hit during the daytime. If I was wrong and got a Blue, I would instantly commit suicide. I was so convinced that Pandain was a Red that if you guys hadn't killed me the first night, I would have killed him and proven that his "supporters" were mafia. =( | ||
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On November 12 2010 13:54 youngminii wrote: Okay you have to calm the fuck down. Lynch All Liars is a pro-town policy that is designed to stop unneeded confusion. You do not make up roleclaims in situations like that. Maybe in the end game where it can help you avoid a lylo or where you can protect someone very important but in his situation, LAL is the best policy. No, I don't need to 'calm the fuck down'. Yeah, okay, it's designed to help the town. However, if somewhere along the way, you should apply a little bit of the critical thinking that you, no doubt, have been developing throughout your life. Whenever any move that you don't understand is made, you should stop and think, "hmm... why did that guy do that?" PUT SOME THOUGHT INTO YOUR GAME. Instead, most of the town started demanding answers. "Hey, I know that I could figure this out for myself, but I really like Hollywood movies where they tell you everything. If I wanted to think, I'd go do schoolwork. So, um... yeah, tell me everything." Do you know who this benefits? MAFIA. THEN, when he goes and explains himself, some idiots realize that they've been lied to. OMG. It's the end of the world. Let's panic, run around in circles, fall on the ground, beat your chest, tear your clothes, light your torches and grab your pitchforks. How about, YOU 'calm the fuck down' and show some restraint. Use some common sense. Yeah, he lied. Okay, DEAL WITH IT. Lynch All Liars is a good general rule if you think that the lie was designed to hurt the town. This was a lie designed to protect the bodyguard and DrH. Edited: to take out harsh words. | ||
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On November 12 2010 14:00 Fishball wrote: For the record, I did asked medic's to protect you. You were the only guy in the game at that time that I thought, "this dude has to be fucking town". haha, I know... No one listened. =( On November 01 2010 09:17 Fishball wrote: To me, Kingjames was by far one of the most pro-town players in the game. Even though we don't know about his role, the stuff he brings up are all very solid. Not surprising that Mafia choose to hit him, as back on page 39, I did say this. | ||
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Also, townies, seriously. Stop being sheep. Even the hosts were making fun of you to your faces: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=161289¤tpage=193#3856 Btw, thanks for all the hugs and love guys! haha. =) | ||
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On November 12 2010 14:27 youngminii wrote: I'd say this is a temper tantrum, especially with your other post before you edited it. It's okay though, I don't give a shit, I just think you should stop being an ass in general and maybe give some proper constructive criticism that doesn't make my eyes bleed by trying to read it. hm... If you take offense to my constructive criticism then I will apologize. However, your continued posts about this matter indicates that you like Hollywood movies. I guess I will have to spell it out for you in a readable format. I guess the examples that I used were not clear enough. Alright, here's my list of proper constructive criticism that won't make your eyes bleed by trying to read it.
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On November 15 2010 12:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Coagulation hits Kingjames01. Coagulation, we could have been friends... =( | ||
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(j/k, we can still be friends... until the next time you cross me!) | ||
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Then this happened: On November 15 2010 12:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Coagulation hits Kingjames01. | ||
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On November 23 2010 06:09 L wrote: Yeah. Pow. Don't stick your neck out if you're looking to make a SWEET PLAY on D2. Ask for doc protection. Specially if your role instantly can be checked. That's true. My mindset usually is to not trust anyone until they can somehow prove their alignment. Because of that I tend to play my role as best as I can, individually, and not to ask for help. I still new at the game and trying to learn. I'll definitely keep that in mind. Thanks for the feedback! =) | ||
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On November 23 2010 09:36 L wrote: You don't need to trust anyone to ask for doc protection in public. Make the point in 2-3 posts and immediately you've set off a mafia mindgame; Is he going to be protected? Should we risk a single hit? Why is he asking for prots? Whether or not docs even bother helping you out is irrelevant because you've introduced doubt as to whether or not you can be hit. hmm... Also true. I usually view the players who ask for medic protection as being suspicious. However, if I can hint at a good reason and promise a significant return then I'd be more likely to convince other players of my good intentions. Thanks! =) I'm learning a lot! Are you planning on becoming an analyst for the Salem game? | ||
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