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On October 30 2010 09:54 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:47 orgolove wrote:On October 30 2010 09:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 30 2010 09:36 orgolove wrote:On October 30 2010 09:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 30 2010 09:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:24 kitaman27 wrote:
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but if the Mayor can be role checked, why would a mafia even want to be elected? I suppose there is the possibility of a Godfather or something, but even that role seems like it could be used in better ways. Artanis said something like the mayor will return the role "Mayor" if rolechecked. I'd like it if he confirmed this. The mayor will show up as the role he has next to being Mayor, unless tampered with by outside sources which may or may not be in the game. I also do not recall ever having made such a statement. It'll do you well to not to blatantly lie about rules that can be easily clarified by a single PM for the coming game -_- I really do not know where I supposedly lied regarding this. If you could quote that message I can apologize for it, but I am currently unaware of it. Sorry, that was directed to DrH, not you. If you could do the same and point out where I lied that would be great thanks Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Artanis said something like the mayor will return the role "Mayor" if rolechecked. I'd like it if he confirmed this. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
The mayor will show up as the role he has next to being Mayor, unless tampered with by outside sources which may or may not be in the game. I also do not recall ever having made such a statement. I can't trust someone who's so "free" with his supposed" facts."
You're bad
He said that after I posted and asked him to confirm it. Why would I "lie" and then ask the mod to confirm my lie as being false immediately afterward. I even went as far as to qualify what I was saying.
I remembered wrong. Good thing I had the good sense to ask artanis to confirm it and qualify my statement before I tried to pass it off as a fact huh?
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On October 30 2010 09:55 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:41 Fishball wrote:
As for people bringing up the idea of having the circle come forward, I've put some thought into it.
If the circle remains hidden to the public, the Mafia can try to remain within and get as much intel as possible, while we'll be trying to do the same thing as well. If the circle comes public, the Mafia might as well off these members one by one. Keep in mind, there is a chance that there are no Mafia members in the circle (though very not likely), but regardless of this possibility, Mafia can plant confusion among the remaining members, and mislead the town.
Also, if the circle comes forward and god forbids, gets eliminated, it would defeat the entire purpose.
I'm not exactly against this idea, but I just want everyone else to think it through a bit more and provide more input, possibility a better alternative. At the end, this would not be my decision, but the other players'.
PS. A correction I have to make. I said I've came in contact with 4 other players earlier, this was a mistake. I've only came in contact with 3. The remaining 2 have not contacted me. This does not mean they haven't contacted each other, which I would not know. As far as I see it if Mafia start killing off town aligned members of the circle, they incriminate themselves really in the end. This puts a lot of pressure on mafia as to how they choose their kills and they have to very carefully consider their activity within the circle. Let's assume one of the likely scenarios. There are 6 of us, 1 of them is red. Mafia starts killing a couple, 4 remaining, 1 of them is red. At this point, it cannot be helped that town will divert some of it's attention here and try to hunt for that 1 red. If down decides to lynch one of the most "suspicious" one and get lucky enough, they'll lynch the red, but if not, Mafia just got a free kill and the situation drags on. At the very end Mafia will only 1 member, but eliminates the circle entirely as well as any coordination within, as well as causing chaos, confusion, and waste town lynches if used. If town does not use their lynches at all, the Mafia call still eliminate the circle at a different pace.
Incoming WIFOM;
Mafia may also want to keep the circle alive for the purposes of manipulation. a shrinking circle is harder to manipulate in a lot of ways (easier in some). The bigger they can get their false bandwagons the better.
What they would do is hard to say.
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On October 30 2010 10:06 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:47 Lexpar wrote:
I'm voting for Bumatlarge. Honestly I'm not very impressed by how any of the other candidates have been conducting themselves.
Bum has been honest, helpful, and has some experience behind him. I know he hasn't posted in like 30 minutes (ie. 45 pages omfg), but we shouldn't forget about his candidacy and bandwagon onto Doc.H, and certainly not Pandain.
Again, Bum has my vote. You can vote for anybody for all I care, But Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:47 Lexpar wrote:
Bum has been honest, helpful, and has some experience behind him.
Experience I don't deny, but seriously? At least quote something you think that is "honest" and "helpful". How do you know the other candidates are not "honest? are not "helpful"? Some of these posts from certain players, regarding why or why not they vote for certain players are just mind boggling. infinitestory caught another one below. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:28 infinitestory wrote:On October 30 2010 08:58 NB wrote:
so far we have 3 people who most likely to be mayor: Pandain, fishball, Dr.h
Panda: i think he would be the most reasonable choice since his first election post looks really clean o.O or as Dr.H said: "transparent"
Fishy: i dont know about this guy... he claimed that he has some sort of mason going on... and i dont trust any group of towny... there is always important information in there being shared and there always could be a spy.... really fishy
Dr.H: lots of people voting for him since he has some great posts on what he would do once he become a mayor. Let me tell you: He has never been a towny b4 in the history of mafia => he is a Veteran mafia and a shitty towny (no offends). Those people who did bandwagon and vote for him could easily be a group of mafia just voting for their leader... Dr.H will be my Last choice what so ever.
for now, i will keep my vote on my self and consider to change it on to the most reasonable person in the end! Your logic for electing Pandain is pretty flimsy. We want a mayor who: 1) Is a good analyzer and an experienced town player 2) Can be scrutinized or somehow confirmed as a townie. 3) Has a role that requires protection Now, ideally we get a mayor who is strongly all three (and ends up being townie under scrutiny). DrH, according to his posts, satisfies 2 and 3, especially 2, and I feel like he can carry out 1 as well. Fishball claims to satisfy 3, but his circle hasn't materialized, which makes me suspect him. Last in my book is Pandain, who claims SOFTLY to satisfy all 3. Emphasis on softly, because he only said he had a "valuable blue role" and could give "indirect confirmation." No real plan for action, unlike the other two candidates, as far as I saw. On top of that, you claim that DrH's bandwagon is suspect, but Pandain had an even larger bandwagon before DrH... why does that not trigger your red flag? It feels almost like you're fabricating reasons to put Pandain first and everyone else last. Odd, to say the least. I want to hear a bit more explanation on these points, NB. When reading through the past 10-20 pages, there are quite a few posts like these out there. I suggest any decent minded town aligned players to pay attention to these people.
to clarify you are calling out infinitestories post as a good one amongst what is largely noise yes?
if you're saying it's a bad post then -_-
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On October 30 2010 10:12 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 10:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:06 Fishball wrote:On October 30 2010 09:47 Lexpar wrote:
I'm voting for Bumatlarge. Honestly I'm not very impressed by how any of the other candidates have been conducting themselves.
Bum has been honest, helpful, and has some experience behind him. I know he hasn't posted in like 30 minutes (ie. 45 pages omfg), but we shouldn't forget about his candidacy and bandwagon onto Doc.H, and certainly not Pandain.
Again, Bum has my vote. You can vote for anybody for all I care, But On October 30 2010 09:47 Lexpar wrote:
Bum has been honest, helpful, and has some experience behind him.
Experience I don't deny, but seriously? At least quote something you think that is "honest" and "helpful". How do you know the other candidates are not "honest? are not "helpful"? Some of these posts from certain players, regarding why or why not they vote for certain players are just mind boggling. infinitestory caught another one below. On October 30 2010 09:28 infinitestory wrote:On October 30 2010 08:58 NB wrote:
so far we have 3 people who most likely to be mayor: Pandain, fishball, Dr.h
Panda: i think he would be the most reasonable choice since his first election post looks really clean o.O or as Dr.H said: "transparent"
Fishy: i dont know about this guy... he claimed that he has some sort of mason going on... and i dont trust any group of towny... there is always important information in there being shared and there always could be a spy.... really fishy
Dr.H: lots of people voting for him since he has some great posts on what he would do once he become a mayor. Let me tell you: He has never been a towny b4 in the history of mafia => he is a Veteran mafia and a shitty towny (no offends). Those people who did bandwagon and vote for him could easily be a group of mafia just voting for their leader... Dr.H will be my Last choice what so ever.
for now, i will keep my vote on my self and consider to change it on to the most reasonable person in the end! Your logic for electing Pandain is pretty flimsy. We want a mayor who: 1) Is a good analyzer and an experienced town player 2) Can be scrutinized or somehow confirmed as a townie. 3) Has a role that requires protection Now, ideally we get a mayor who is strongly all three (and ends up being townie under scrutiny). DrH, according to his posts, satisfies 2 and 3, especially 2, and I feel like he can carry out 1 as well. Fishball claims to satisfy 3, but his circle hasn't materialized, which makes me suspect him. Last in my book is Pandain, who claims SOFTLY to satisfy all 3. Emphasis on softly, because he only said he had a "valuable blue role" and could give "indirect confirmation." No real plan for action, unlike the other two candidates, as far as I saw. On top of that, you claim that DrH's bandwagon is suspect, but Pandain had an even larger bandwagon before DrH... why does that not trigger your red flag? It feels almost like you're fabricating reasons to put Pandain first and everyone else last. Odd, to say the least. I want to hear a bit more explanation on these points, NB. When reading through the past 10-20 pages, there are quite a few posts like these out there. I suggest any decent minded town aligned players to pay attention to these people. to clarify you are calling out infinitestories post as a good one amongst what is largely noise yes? if you're saying it's a bad post then -_- I said: infinitestory caught another one belowKeyword highlighted. Of course I'm saying his post is a good one.
alright ^_^
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On October 30 2010 10:15 Pandain wrote:
sorry still reading but just to adress one vital concern.
I am very proactive. I will help the town, i've already decided what we should do if I'm elected so I might as well share it.
As of now, we need medics protecting several of the valuable blues that claimed to run. Sure, one may be a mafia but most likely the rest will be vital blues. So I think they should RNG between Dr. H, Fishball, and possibly Bum. And If i lose, then take out the winner and add me.
Right now I don't have any active thoughts because really its day 1. Anyone who says they really know whats going on is either mafia or wrong. Sure, you can get lucky every once in a while but unless someone truly scum slips it's going to be mostly a guessing game.
If you've seen any of my games, you'd know I'm very decisive. Anyway, still reading.
top medic targets should be:
ace
bumatlarge
fishball
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On October 30 2010 10:15 Pandain wrote:
sorry still reading but just to adress one vital concern.
I am very proactive. I will help the town, i've already decided what we should do if I'm elected so I might as well share it.
As of now, we need medics protecting several of the valuable blues that claimed to run. Sure, one may be a mafia but most likely the rest will be vital blues. So I think they should RNG between Dr. H, Fishball, and possibly Bum. And If i lose, then take out the winner and add me.
Right now I don't have any active thoughts because really its day 1. Anyone who says they really know whats going on is either mafia or wrong. Sure, you can get lucky every once in a while but unless someone truly scum slips it's going to be mostly a guessing game.
If you've seen any of my games, you'd know I'm very decisive. Anyway, still reading.
there has been a huge amount of activity today. there is actually plenty to analyse today.
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On October 30 2010 10:30 ghrur wrote:
Okay, clearly I'm not getting any votes here... which sucks, but here are my opinions on votes for mayor:
Pandain: I don't know how good a scumhunter he is, but he IS transparent. However, ever since fishball's claim of there being another circle at ALL, we must be wary of that too. I do, however, believe that a transparent mayor is good, and like me, Pandain seems to be quite transparent. (HINT, VOTE FOR ME CUZ I'M FUCKING TRANSPARENT)
afaik not a very good one.
Fishball: do NOT vote for this guy. A. No one else has claimed mason. B. We don't know what role he is for sure. C. PMs in the hands of a mason in the mafia could get so incredibly powerful because mafia would be able to secretly convince others and start a 14 player bandwagon. >_< D. He's experienced as hell. If he's Mafia, then GF, then a Mason, we're fucked. We won't be able to oust him because of GF, he'll have influence over Masons, he'll be able to control his mafia group with expertise, and vigis wouldn't be able to kill him if they expected him. Also, Mayor having PMs is not good because we want a mayor to be TRANSPARENT. He needs to be placed under HEAVY scrutiny. If he's pming all over the place, what do we use to analyze him?
I agree with this actually. I feel that medics should protect Fishball instead.
Bumatlarge: Experienced, which can be a double edged sword if he's red, and he can start his OWN circle. That might be even more scary than fishball, but nonetheless it provides the same problem towards transparency. We need them to show us their posts, but if they're pming, we get much less information, and as a mafia mayor, that's great for them.
Dr. H: I don't really know. He seems scummy for his huge support of Fishball who I don't trust, but he says he can somehow prove to us that he's blue. The thing I don't like about Fishball and Dr. H's campaign methods is the fact that they HEAVILY emphasize the roles they play. I don't see how their roles could be so important that they NEED the mayor role. I see Dr. H's role as more important for use inside the Masons. I believe the Masons should definitely get him in the first night IF THEY EXIST, but right now, I don't believe he should be mayor.
Well, my role is the most important thing but I've given other reasons as well. I can't really use my role without roleclaiming, so I'm not really sure what else I should have done.
I don't need the mayor role to use my role, I need it to maximize the effectiveness of my town coordination.
Also, I don't really think I'm hugely supporting Fishball. I'm wary of him but he doesn't come off as scummy to me. I think if he is mafia he is making a pretty huge gamble and I'm interested in seeing how it plays out right now. I don't think he should be mayor for basically the reasons you stated.
I think the safest way to vote is Pandain right now. He seems to be transparent, and hasn't given off any notion that he can PM yet. This is good. We DON'T want a secretive mayor. We want a secretive detective, or a secretive TOWN circle, but not a secretive mayor. Btw, I also agree with Ace that Dr. H gave out too much info on himself. >_<
Still, vote for me. I'm transparent :D
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On October 30 2010 10:33 Pandain wrote:
*sigh*
Pandain:
1. I can prove I'm legit if elected.
2.I'm apparently very transparent
3.Relies on open discussion and debate.
Dr. H:
1.Can prove he's legit if elected
2.Is not transparent, is a master mafioso and a mayer Dr. H I would fear above all
3. Relies on secret pm circles which can easily be infiltrated. Same problem goes with Fishball, they would spend days trying to find mafia which might not even exist.
DTS should check mayoral canidates, most likely to find a mafia(at least one mafia must've run, else they're just handing us the game on a platter.)
Since so many people claimed valuable roles while running for election, those people must be at the top of the priority list for medic protection. And as of now, Fishball's "circle" hasn't said anything, so I'm beginning to become highly suscipcious of Fishball.
Again, if you are in Fishball's circle, say so now. You don't have to say your role or anything, just say if you are. If no one does, I am going to lynch Fishball day 1.
I can't PM people, your 3rd point is complete bullshit. Just thought I'd point out that the difference between me and fishball is that my coordination will take place out in the open of the thread with complete transparency in every way. I am not part of a circle.
Before you said you could maybe indirectly prove you're legit if you're elected. Now you can prove it 100% reliably? Which is it?
My whole campaign is about an open discussion and coordination. I'm not acting behind doors but at the same time I'm not vote on whatever the public tells me, mafia control bandwagons and going with the majority every time is poor mayor play.
Do you plan on doing the same? Do you have the balls to say the town is wrong on a lynch when it's your head on the chopping block?
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I need to backtrace and find out who invented the lie that I said anything about secret town circles, operating in pm's, or anything like that.
Not trying to FoS Pandain here but that sounds very mafia implanted to me.
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On October 30 2010 10:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I need to backtrace and find out who invented the lie that I said anything about secret town circles, operating in pm's, or anything like that.
Not trying to FoS Pandain here but that sounds very mafia implanted to me.
On October 30 2010 09:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:40 Hyperbola wrote:
It's really pointless for me to vote for myself at this point so I guess I'll vote for Pandain. The other two prime candidates are all discussing secret societies and whatnot, and even though I'm all for those types of roles, I believe the mayor should really be a figurehead for the whole town.
1. It would be really difficult, and not to mention disadvantageous, for the mayor to prove they are a free mason or something along those lines
2. The mayor keeps the rest of the town out of the loop (because there wouldn't be a way to transfer secret data) and therefore causes confusion which can lead to unwarranted bandwagoning.
3. If the mayor dies, how will the circle prove itself to town afterward? After losing all leadership, the town will flop and scum will have it's way with the remains.
And as for Pandain, I have seen his play style from the previous game and think he would make a good mayor. If he turns out to be mafia, and unless he has flawlessly acted out the role, people would notice and he'd be gone in a blink of an eye. well none of those apply for me so why vote for pandain who offers nothing at all?
I'm guessing by other two prime candidates he means me and fishball in which case he is lying, because I never brought up secret societies except in relation to fishballs role. So his Second point here is incorrect.
Now this misinformation is being parroted by Pandain.
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On October 30 2010 10:43 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 10:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:33 Pandain wrote:
*sigh*
Pandain:
1. I can prove I'm legit if elected.
2.I'm apparently very transparent
3.Relies on open discussion and debate.
Dr. H:
1.Can prove he's legit if elected
2.Is not transparent, is a master mafioso and a mayer Dr. H I would fear above all
3. Relies on secret pm circles which can easily be infiltrated. Same problem goes with Fishball, they would spend days trying to find mafia which might not even exist.
DTS should check mayoral canidates, most likely to find a mafia(at least one mafia must've run, else they're just handing us the game on a platter.)
Since so many people claimed valuable roles while running for election, those people must be at the top of the priority list for medic protection. And as of now, Fishball's "circle" hasn't said anything, so I'm beginning to become highly suscipcious of Fishball.
Again, if you are in Fishball's circle, say so now. You don't have to say your role or anything, just say if you are. If no one does, I am going to lynch Fishball day 1. I can't PM people, your 3rd point is complete bullshit. Just thought I'd point out that the difference between me and fishball is that my coordination will take place out in the open of the thread with complete transparency in every way. I am not part of a circle. Before you said you could maybe indirectly prove you're legit if you're elected. Now you can prove it 100% reliably? Which is it? My whole campaign is about an open discussion and coordination. I'm not acting behind doors but at the same time I'm not vote on whatever the public tells me, mafia control bandwagons and going with the majority every time is poor mayor play. Do you plan on doing the same? Do you have the balls to say the town is wrong on a lynch when it's your head on the chopping block? What you asked all masons to contact you, not only would that lead to some masons unable to pm other people, but does rely on secret circles. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but really it seems to me relying more on open debate is better, no? Only real purpose pms would be for is if finding out results from other blues. Well, it doesn't neccesarily mean I'm innocent, but if I'm wrong(very likely chance I would be if a fake), then you guys can lynch me ASAP. And yes, obviously I'm not just a mascot for the town, I'm a leader as well. When I have an opinion, I will back it up in debate. I will share my opinion, and if other people bring up good points I will back down if I feel they have a good defense.
Okay there are a lot of things wrong with this role.
1. Fishballs circle is not one afaik that can convert.
2. Bumatlarge seems to have the power to give people the power to PM. it is possible he is in fishballs circle and this is his role related to the circle or that over the course of the game he can make a circle of his own.
3. My coordination of the town roles will be done in the open, as that is the best way for my role to do it as I can not reliably rely on becoming part of the town circle.
Are you saying that the person who is elected mayor should not be converted into the town circle if such a thing exists? PMs would be useful later in the game for establishing contact with blue roles like DT who may not feel comfortable roleclaiming in public and the ideal voice for them is the mayor, who is immune to night kills.
I do not feel comfortable with the idea of the mayor operating entirely in the circle, however I am comfortable with the idea of mayor becoming part of the circle early or later on in the game. Does that make sense? The only way I can reliably coordinate is in the open, which is best for the town. Conversely the town could also benefit from having me in the circle as well but this is far from "operating solely in secret" as you would like to imply.
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On October 30 2010 10:44 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 10:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I need to backtrace and find out who invented the lie that I said anything about secret town circles, operating in pm's, or anything like that.
Not trying to FoS Pandain here but that sounds very mafia implanted to me. On October 30 2010 09:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:40 Hyperbola wrote:
It's really pointless for me to vote for myself at this point so I guess I'll vote for Pandain. The other two prime candidates are all discussing secret societies and whatnot, and even though I'm all for those types of roles, I believe the mayor should really be a figurehead for the whole town.
1. It would be really difficult, and not to mention disadvantageous, for the mayor to prove they are a free mason or something along those lines
2. The mayor keeps the rest of the town out of the loop (because there wouldn't be a way to transfer secret data) and therefore causes confusion which can lead to unwarranted bandwagoning.
3. If the mayor dies, how will the circle prove itself to town afterward? After losing all leadership, the town will flop and scum will have it's way with the remains.
And as for Pandain, I have seen his play style from the previous game and think he would make a good mayor. If he turns out to be mafia, and unless he has flawlessly acted out the role, people would notice and he'd be gone in a blink of an eye. well none of those apply for me so why vote for pandain who offers nothing at all? I'm guessing by other two prime candidates he means me and fishball in which case he is lying, because I never brought up secret societies except in relation to fishballs role. So his Second point here is incorrect. Now this misinformation is being parroted by Pandain. And its this kind of over reaction that we do not need from a mayor. Personally, if you've never played as town I don't know how good you will be if you are one. However, if you are mafia, then I know just how super amazingly funktastic you can be. So either way I don't like it.
So it's an over reaction to point out that a player is saying something is false? OK
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On October 30 2010 10:50 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 10:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:43 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 10:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:33 Pandain wrote:
*sigh*
Pandain:
1. I can prove I'm legit if elected.
2.I'm apparently very transparent
3.Relies on open discussion and debate.
Dr. H:
1.Can prove he's legit if elected
2.Is not transparent, is a master mafioso and a mayer Dr. H I would fear above all
3. Relies on secret pm circles which can easily be infiltrated. Same problem goes with Fishball, they would spend days trying to find mafia which might not even exist.
DTS should check mayoral canidates, most likely to find a mafia(at least one mafia must've run, else they're just handing us the game on a platter.)
Since so many people claimed valuable roles while running for election, those people must be at the top of the priority list for medic protection. And as of now, Fishball's "circle" hasn't said anything, so I'm beginning to become highly suscipcious of Fishball.
Again, if you are in Fishball's circle, say so now. You don't have to say your role or anything, just say if you are. If no one does, I am going to lynch Fishball day 1. I can't PM people, your 3rd point is complete bullshit. Just thought I'd point out that the difference between me and fishball is that my coordination will take place out in the open of the thread with complete transparency in every way. I am not part of a circle. Before you said you could maybe indirectly prove you're legit if you're elected. Now you can prove it 100% reliably? Which is it? My whole campaign is about an open discussion and coordination. I'm not acting behind doors but at the same time I'm not vote on whatever the public tells me, mafia control bandwagons and going with the majority every time is poor mayor play. Do you plan on doing the same? Do you have the balls to say the town is wrong on a lynch when it's your head on the chopping block? What you asked all masons to contact you, not only would that lead to some masons unable to pm other people, but does rely on secret circles. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but really it seems to me relying more on open debate is better, no? Only real purpose pms would be for is if finding out results from other blues. Well, it doesn't neccesarily mean I'm innocent, but if I'm wrong(very likely chance I would be if a fake), then you guys can lynch me ASAP. And yes, obviously I'm not just a mascot for the town, I'm a leader as well. When I have an opinion, I will back it up in debate. I will share my opinion, and if other people bring up good points I will back down if I feel they have a good defense. Okay there are a lot of things wrong with this role. 1. Fishballs circle is not one afaik that can convert. 2. Bumatlarge seems to have the power to give people the power to PM. it is possible he is in fishballs circle and this is his role related to the circle or that over the course of the game he can make a circle of his own. 3. My coordination of the town roles will be done in the open, as that is the best way for my role to do it as I can not reliably rely on becoming part of the town circle. Are you saying that the person who is elected mayor should not be converted into the town circle if such a thing exists? PMs would be useful later in the game for establishing contact with blue roles like DT who may not feel comfortable roleclaiming in public and the ideal voice for them is the mayor, who is immune to night kills. I do not feel comfortable with the idea of the mayor operating entirely in the circle, however I am comfortable with the idea of mayor becoming part of the circle early or later on in the game. Does that make sense? The only way I can reliably coordinate is in the open, which is best for the town. Conversely the town could also benefit from having me in the circle as well but this is far from "operating solely in secret" as you would like to imply. I think we're being antagnostic just because of the election. I can tell we actually have the same view. I do feel pms can be useful, especially once dt's start checking everyone, but I'm saying we should put an emphasis on debate in the forums rather than in a "divine secret council of pmers". Unless of course they have a dt. But I think we actually both agree on that. I never implied you were operating soley in secret. I never was talking about Fishball, was talking about masons. I never said the person should not be turned into the town circle.
I agree. I know you never said the person should not be turned into the circle, that's why I asked you the question, Pandain. Because I wanted to know your stance. Why so defensive there?
You never implied I was operating solely in secret? You can't bury your very obvious statements Pandain, no matter how bad you want to diffuse this argument.
On October 30 2010 10:33 Pandain wrote:
*sigh*
Pandain:
1. I can prove I'm legit if elected.
2.I'm apparently very transparent
3.Relies on open discussion and debate.
Dr. H:
1.Can prove he's legit if elected
2.Is not transparent, is a master mafioso and a mayer Dr. H I would fear above all
3. Relies on secret pm circles which can easily be infiltrated. Same problem goes with Fishball, they would spend days trying to find mafia which might not even exist.
DTS should check mayoral canidates, most likely to find a mafia(at least one mafia must've run, else they're just handing us the game on a platter.)
Since so many people claimed valuable roles while running for election, those people must be at the top of the priority list for medic protection. And as of now, Fishball's "circle" hasn't said anything, so I'm beginning to become highly suscipcious of Fishball.
Again, if you are in Fishball's circle, say so now. You don't have to say your role or anything, just say if you are. If no one does, I am going to lynch Fishball day 1.
What I highlighted is the bullshit part where you are implying I will do exactly that. Do you retract that statement? It seems pretty obvious what it is implying. Or did you somehow mean the opposite of what you said?
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shit i forgot to add this part to my above post
On October 30 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 10:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:44 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 10:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I need to backtrace and find out who invented the lie that I said anything about secret town circles, operating in pm's, or anything like that.
Not trying to FoS Pandain here but that sounds very mafia implanted to me. On October 30 2010 09:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:40 Hyperbola wrote:
It's really pointless for me to vote for myself at this point so I guess I'll vote for Pandain. The other two prime candidates are all discussing secret societies and whatnot, and even though I'm all for those types of roles, I believe the mayor should really be a figurehead for the whole town.
1. It would be really difficult, and not to mention disadvantageous, for the mayor to prove they are a free mason or something along those lines
2. The mayor keeps the rest of the town out of the loop (because there wouldn't be a way to transfer secret data) and therefore causes confusion which can lead to unwarranted bandwagoning.
3. If the mayor dies, how will the circle prove itself to town afterward? After losing all leadership, the town will flop and scum will have it's way with the remains.
And as for Pandain, I have seen his play style from the previous game and think he would make a good mayor. If he turns out to be mafia, and unless he has flawlessly acted out the role, people would notice and he'd be gone in a blink of an eye. well none of those apply for me so why vote for pandain who offers nothing at all? I'm guessing by other two prime candidates he means me and fishball in which case he is lying, because I never brought up secret societies except in relation to fishballs role. So his Second point here is incorrect. Now this misinformation is being parroted by Pandain. And its this kind of over reaction that we do not need from a mayor. Personally, if you've never played as town I don't know how good you will be if you are one. However, if you are mafia, then I know just how super amazingly funktastic you can be. So either way I don't like it. So it's an over reaction to point out that a player is saying something is false? OK Its an overreaction if you haven't read it clearly enough to understand it.
You could correct me instead of saying something so vague. He is saying he is voting for you instead of the other two prime candidates which I take to refer to myself and fishball. If that is indeed the case, my point still stands.
On October 30 2010 10:55 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 10:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:44 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 10:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I need to backtrace and find out who invented the lie that I said anything about secret town circles, operating in pm's, or anything like that.
Not trying to FoS Pandain here but that sounds very mafia implanted to me. On October 30 2010 09:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:40 Hyperbola wrote:
It's really pointless for me to vote for myself at this point so I guess I'll vote for Pandain. The other two prime candidates are all discussing secret societies and whatnot, and even though I'm all for those types of roles, I believe the mayor should really be a figurehead for the whole town.
1. It would be really difficult, and not to mention disadvantageous, for the mayor to prove they are a free mason or something along those lines
2. The mayor keeps the rest of the town out of the loop (because there wouldn't be a way to transfer secret data) and therefore causes confusion which can lead to unwarranted bandwagoning.
3. If the mayor dies, how will the circle prove itself to town afterward? After losing all leadership, the town will flop and scum will have it's way with the remains.
And as for Pandain, I have seen his play style from the previous game and think he would make a good mayor. If he turns out to be mafia, and unless he has flawlessly acted out the role, people would notice and he'd be gone in a blink of an eye. well none of those apply for me so why vote for pandain who offers nothing at all? I'm guessing by other two prime candidates he means me and fishball in which case he is lying, because I never brought up secret societies except in relation to fishballs role. So his Second point here is incorrect. Now this misinformation is being parroted by Pandain. And its this kind of over reaction that we do not need from a mayor. Personally, if you've never played as town I don't know how good you will be if you are one. However, if you are mafia, then I know just how super amazingly funktastic you can be. So either way I don't like it. So it's an over reaction to point out that a player is saying something is false? OK Its an overreaction if you haven't read it clearly enough to understand it. Heck, even the so called "bandwagon" is an overreaction. What, like 5 people voted for me? Including myself? There are 45 people in this game, and people can change their votes obviously that early in the game. Again, be wary and form your own opinions. That is the basis of a good town.
It just came across as strange to a lot of people that you shot up so well in the polls despite saying/offering the least of all viable candidates at the time. I think that's a point you can understand.
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On October 30 2010 11:01 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 10:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:50 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 10:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:43 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 10:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:33 Pandain wrote:
*sigh*
Pandain:
1. I can prove I'm legit if elected.
2.I'm apparently very transparent
3.Relies on open discussion and debate.
Dr. H:
1.Can prove he's legit if elected
2.Is not transparent, is a master mafioso and a mayer Dr. H I would fear above all
3. Relies on secret pm circles which can easily be infiltrated. Same problem goes with Fishball, they would spend days trying to find mafia which might not even exist.
DTS should check mayoral canidates, most likely to find a mafia(at least one mafia must've run, else they're just handing us the game on a platter.)
Since so many people claimed valuable roles while running for election, those people must be at the top of the priority list for medic protection. And as of now, Fishball's "circle" hasn't said anything, so I'm beginning to become highly suscipcious of Fishball.
Again, if you are in Fishball's circle, say so now. You don't have to say your role or anything, just say if you are. If no one does, I am going to lynch Fishball day 1. I can't PM people, your 3rd point is complete bullshit. Just thought I'd point out that the difference between me and fishball is that my coordination will take place out in the open of the thread with complete transparency in every way. I am not part of a circle. Before you said you could maybe indirectly prove you're legit if you're elected. Now you can prove it 100% reliably? Which is it? My whole campaign is about an open discussion and coordination. I'm not acting behind doors but at the same time I'm not vote on whatever the public tells me, mafia control bandwagons and going with the majority every time is poor mayor play. Do you plan on doing the same? Do you have the balls to say the town is wrong on a lynch when it's your head on the chopping block? What you asked all masons to contact you, not only would that lead to some masons unable to pm other people, but does rely on secret circles. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but really it seems to me relying more on open debate is better, no? Only real purpose pms would be for is if finding out results from other blues. Well, it doesn't neccesarily mean I'm innocent, but if I'm wrong(very likely chance I would be if a fake), then you guys can lynch me ASAP. And yes, obviously I'm not just a mascot for the town, I'm a leader as well. When I have an opinion, I will back it up in debate. I will share my opinion, and if other people bring up good points I will back down if I feel they have a good defense. Okay there are a lot of things wrong with this role. 1. Fishballs circle is not one afaik that can convert. 2. Bumatlarge seems to have the power to give people the power to PM. it is possible he is in fishballs circle and this is his role related to the circle or that over the course of the game he can make a circle of his own. 3. My coordination of the town roles will be done in the open, as that is the best way for my role to do it as I can not reliably rely on becoming part of the town circle. Are you saying that the person who is elected mayor should not be converted into the town circle if such a thing exists? PMs would be useful later in the game for establishing contact with blue roles like DT who may not feel comfortable roleclaiming in public and the ideal voice for them is the mayor, who is immune to night kills. I do not feel comfortable with the idea of the mayor operating entirely in the circle, however I am comfortable with the idea of mayor becoming part of the circle early or later on in the game. Does that make sense? The only way I can reliably coordinate is in the open, which is best for the town. Conversely the town could also benefit from having me in the circle as well but this is far from "operating solely in secret" as you would like to imply. I think we're being antagnostic just because of the election. I can tell we actually have the same view. I do feel pms can be useful, especially once dt's start checking everyone, but I'm saying we should put an emphasis on debate in the forums rather than in a "divine secret council of pmers". Unless of course they have a dt. But I think we actually both agree on that. I never implied you were operating soley in secret. I never was talking about Fishball, was talking about masons. I never said the person should not be turned into the town circle. I agree. I know you never said the person should not be turned into the circle, that's why I asked you the question, Pandain. Because I wanted to know your stance. Why so defensive there? You never implied I was operating solely in secret? You can't bury your very obvious statements Pandain, no matter how bad you want to diffuse this argument. On October 30 2010 10:33 Pandain wrote:
*sigh*
Pandain:
1. I can prove I'm legit if elected.
2.I'm apparently very transparent
3.Relies on open discussion and debate.
Dr. H:
1.Can prove he's legit if elected
2.Is not transparent, is a master mafioso and a mayer Dr. H I would fear above all
3. Relies on secret pm circles which can easily be infiltrated. Same problem goes with Fishball, they would spend days trying to find mafia which might not even exist.
DTS should check mayoral canidates, most likely to find a mafia(at least one mafia must've run, else they're just handing us the game on a platter.)
Since so many people claimed valuable roles while running for election, those people must be at the top of the priority list for medic protection. And as of now, Fishball's "circle" hasn't said anything, so I'm beginning to become highly suscipcious of Fishball.
Again, if you are in Fishball's circle, say so now. You don't have to say your role or anything, just say if you are. If no one does, I am going to lynch Fishball day 1. What I highlighted is the bullshit part where you are implying I will do exactly that. Do you retract that statement? It seems pretty obvious what it is implying. Or did you somehow mean the opposite of what you said? Again, you are pulling a rabbit out of a hat when there simply was no rabbit to begin with. I never said you were SOLEY operating in secret, I was under the impression you would rely upon masons and pms with them. Obviously I have stated we are apparently under the same stance. Besides that, and even still we disagree a little, I do not retract my statement. Do you? And what question? I'll happily answer any question.
You did not say I was solely operating in secret. But I still don't like the fact that you tried to lump me in with Fishball in the "secret society non transperancy" boat when I never said/did anything to put myself in that boat in the first place. I've said several times throughout the thread that I would do my coordination in the open, maybe you skimmed over what I said? If you don't even know my platform, don't call me out on non existent problems with it please.
So, no I don't retract my statement.
The question I asked you was "do you think it is a bad idea for mayor to be converted into the circle" you then answered it by playing it off as though I had accused you of saying it was a bad idea, when I did no such thing.
So even though there is no basis for the idea that I will operate in secret and be non-transparent, you refuse to retract the statement that I will operate in secret and be non-transparent. Interesting pandain, very interesting.
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the possibility of mafia trying to twist potential circles out to be a bad thing is a possible play and one that makes a lot of sense.
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[QUOTE]On October 30 2010 11:07 Pandain wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 30 2010 10:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:shit i forgot to add this part to my above post Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 10:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:44 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 10:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I need to backtrace and find out who invented the lie that I said anything about secret town circles, operating in pm's, or anything like that.
Not trying to FoS Pandain here but that sounds very mafia implanted to me. On October 30 2010 09:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:40 Hyperbola wrote:
It's really pointless for me to vote for myself at this point so I guess I'll vote for Pandain. The other two prime candidates are all discussing secret societies and whatnot, and even though I'm all for those types of roles, I believe the mayor should really be a figurehead for the whole town.
1. It would be really difficult, and not to mention disadvantageous, for the mayor to prove they are a free mason or something along those lines
2. The mayor keeps the rest of the town out of the loop (because there wouldn't be a way to transfer secret data) and therefore causes confusion which can lead to unwarranted bandwagoning.
3. If the mayor dies, how will the circle prove itself to town afterward? After losing all leadership, the town will flop and scum will have it's way with the remains.
And as for Pandain, I have seen his play style from the previous game and think he would make a good mayor. If he turns out to be mafia, and unless he has flawlessly acted out the role, people would notice and he'd be gone in a blink of an eye. well none of those apply for me so why vote for pandain who offers nothing at all? I'm guessing by other two prime candidates he means me and fishball in which case he is lying, because I never brought up secret societies except in relation to fishballs role. So his Second point here is incorrect. Now this misinformation is being parroted by Pandain. And its this kind of over reaction that we do not need from a mayor. Personally, if you've never played as town I don't know how good you will be if you are one. However, if you are mafia, then I know just how super amazingly funktastic you can be. So either way I don't like it. So it's an over reaction to point out that a player is saying something is false? OK Its an overreaction if you haven't read it clearly enough to understand it. You could correct me instead of saying something so vague. He is saying he is voting for you instead of the other two prime candidates which I take to refer to myself and fishball. If that is indeed the case, my point still stands. I'm not talking about that, sorry if I was unclear. I'm reffering to the fact you seemed to place a special emphasis on masons, but again, I think we're really of the same opinion here. As for the supposed bandwagon....I feel they gave sufficient reasons to warrant an early vote(and its a changeable vote). Afraid of fishball's circle having mafia, saying I'm apparently very transparent, and so forth.
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On October 30 2010 11:09 orgolove wrote:
It's kinda amazing that Fishball, the only player to reveal any real information, is being brushed off as "secret society non transparency."
I think if one were to really want to hide information, he probably wouldn't have revealed the presence of a circle either.
Pandains campaign seems to be a little bit more about what is wrong with other candidates than what is right about him, which is something I don't like.
Now I'm becoming a little bit suspicious of a mafia attempt to discredit the idea of the circle in and of itself.
As far as Fishball himself, I don't feel hugely uncomfortable with him in a mayoral position. I think the fact that I can immediately confirm myself as town aligned and immediately coordinate blues without the possibility of manipulation in that department makes me a better candidate, but that can be debated on its own terms.
Being able to work in a circle is very useful, but open coordination is far more difficult for mafia to manipulate. Consider this as well. Even if only 1 mafia is in the group, all the mafia are involved in what is being said and disseminated throughout the group as that 1 mafia will surely be giving all town circle information to the entire mafia.
So it's a circle of communication between what is likely predominantly town players and 1 or 2 mafia but it is a circle of information that includes the entire mafia. That can really be abused to manipulate the towns trust in the mayor.
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On October 30 2010 11:07 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 10:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:shit i forgot to add this part to my above post On October 30 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 10:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:44 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 10:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I need to backtrace and find out who invented the lie that I said anything about secret town circles, operating in pm's, or anything like that.
Not trying to FoS Pandain here but that sounds very mafia implanted to me. On October 30 2010 09:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:40 Hyperbola wrote:
It's really pointless for me to vote for myself at this point so I guess I'll vote for Pandain. The other two prime candidates are all discussing secret societies and whatnot, and even though I'm all for those types of roles, I believe the mayor should really be a figurehead for the whole town.
1. It would be really difficult, and not to mention disadvantageous, for the mayor to prove they are a free mason or something along those lines
2. The mayor keeps the rest of the town out of the loop (because there wouldn't be a way to transfer secret data) and therefore causes confusion which can lead to unwarranted bandwagoning.
3. If the mayor dies, how will the circle prove itself to town afterward? After losing all leadership, the town will flop and scum will have it's way with the remains.
And as for Pandain, I have seen his play style from the previous game and think he would make a good mayor. If he turns out to be mafia, and unless he has flawlessly acted out the role, people would notice and he'd be gone in a blink of an eye. well none of those apply for me so why vote for pandain who offers nothing at all? I'm guessing by other two prime candidates he means me and fishball in which case he is lying, because I never brought up secret societies except in relation to fishballs role. So his Second point here is incorrect. Now this misinformation is being parroted by Pandain. And its this kind of over reaction that we do not need from a mayor. Personally, if you've never played as town I don't know how good you will be if you are one. However, if you are mafia, then I know just how super amazingly funktastic you can be. So either way I don't like it. So it's an over reaction to point out that a player is saying something is false? OK Its an overreaction if you haven't read it clearly enough to understand it. You could correct me instead of saying something so vague. He is saying he is voting for you instead of the other two prime candidates which I take to refer to myself and fishball. If that is indeed the case, my point still stands. I'm not talking about that, sorry if I was unclear. I'm reffering to the fact you seemed to place a special emphasis on masons, but again, I think we're really of the same opinion here. As for the supposed bandwagon....I feel they gave sufficient reasons to warrant an early vote(and its a changeable vote). Afraid of fishball's circle having mafia, saying I'm apparently very transparent, and so forth. Alright, more posts. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 11:06 Fishball wrote:On October 30 2010 10:50 Pandain wrote:
but I'm saying we should put an emphasis on debate in the forums rather than in a "divine secret council of pmers".
I know it's not directed at me, but I'm just quoting your post since you're the latest one to say something similar. Seems like a lot of people are getting this impression of the circle, which I've explained quite a few times, that's not exactly what I will make it to be. With DT checks viable to the Mayor, I even offered to kill myself and release as much information to the public to prove it. (Seeing that many other information have sunk into the vast ocean of posts, this is not surprising) It's also quite amusing, most of the people that argue against the "crazy secrecy of the circle", or just me in general "not being transparent" etc., never brings up these posts I've said. Keep in mind I was the first one to come up with such a claim. Fake or not, that's not the point and is for another debate, but I AM being transparent here. Here's the thing, I don't see why you have to be mayor for this circle if you have medic protection. I've already said I think the circle is a very good thing to have and we should use it to our advantage, but focusing around that will be very hard since there's a chance there might not be any mafia at all! What, are we going to check all 6 people? That's going to take way too long. I'm just confused about how you would go about that, if you could clarify. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 11:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:01 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 10:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:50 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 10:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:43 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 10:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:33 Pandain wrote:
*sigh*
Pandain:
1. I can prove I'm legit if elected.
2.I'm apparently very transparent
3.Relies on open discussion and debate.
Dr. H:
1.Can prove he's legit if elected
2.Is not transparent, is a master mafioso and a mayer Dr. H I would fear above all
3. Relies on secret pm circles which can easily be infiltrated. Same problem goes with Fishball, they would spend days trying to find mafia which might not even exist.
DTS should check mayoral canidates, most likely to find a mafia(at least one mafia must've run, else they're just handing us the game on a platter.)
Since so many people claimed valuable roles while running for election, those people must be at the top of the priority list for medic protection. And as of now, Fishball's "circle" hasn't said anything, so I'm beginning to become highly suscipcious of Fishball.
Again, if you are in Fishball's circle, say so now. You don't have to say your role or anything, just say if you are. If no one does, I am going to lynch Fishball day 1. I can't PM people, your 3rd point is complete bullshit. Just thought I'd point out that the difference between me and fishball is that my coordination will take place out in the open of the thread with complete transparency in every way. I am not part of a circle. Before you said you could maybe indirectly prove you're legit if you're elected. Now you can prove it 100% reliably? Which is it? My whole campaign is about an open discussion and coordination. I'm not acting behind doors but at the same time I'm not vote on whatever the public tells me, mafia control bandwagons and going with the majority every time is poor mayor play. Do you plan on doing the same? Do you have the balls to say the town is wrong on a lynch when it's your head on the chopping block? What you asked all masons to contact you, not only would that lead to some masons unable to pm other people, but does rely on secret circles. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but really it seems to me relying more on open debate is better, no? Only real purpose pms would be for is if finding out results from other blues. Well, it doesn't neccesarily mean I'm innocent, but if I'm wrong(very likely chance I would be if a fake), then you guys can lynch me ASAP. And yes, obviously I'm not just a mascot for the town, I'm a leader as well. When I have an opinion, I will back it up in debate. I will share my opinion, and if other people bring up good points I will back down if I feel they have a good defense. Okay there are a lot of things wrong with this role. 1. Fishballs circle is not one afaik that can convert. 2. Bumatlarge seems to have the power to give people the power to PM. it is possible he is in fishballs circle and this is his role related to the circle or that over the course of the game he can make a circle of his own. 3. My coordination of the town roles will be done in the open, as that is the best way for my role to do it as I can not reliably rely on becoming part of the town circle. Are you saying that the person who is elected mayor should not be converted into the town circle if such a thing exists? PMs would be useful later in the game for establishing contact with blue roles like DT who may not feel comfortable roleclaiming in public and the ideal voice for them is the mayor, who is immune to night kills. I do not feel comfortable with the idea of the mayor operating entirely in the circle, however I am comfortable with the idea of mayor becoming part of the circle early or later on in the game. Does that make sense? The only way I can reliably coordinate is in the open, which is best for the town. Conversely the town could also benefit from having me in the circle as well but this is far from "operating solely in secret" as you would like to imply. I think we're being antagnostic just because of the election. I can tell we actually have the same view. I do feel pms can be useful, especially once dt's start checking everyone, but I'm saying we should put an emphasis on debate in the forums rather than in a "divine secret council of pmers". Unless of course they have a dt. But I think we actually both agree on that. I never implied you were operating soley in secret. I never was talking about Fishball, was talking about masons. I never said the person should not be turned into the town circle. I agree. I know you never said the person should not be turned into the circle, that's why I asked you the question, Pandain. Because I wanted to know your stance. Why so defensive there? You never implied I was operating solely in secret? You can't bury your very obvious statements Pandain, no matter how bad you want to diffuse this argument. On October 30 2010 10:33 Pandain wrote:
*sigh*
Pandain:
1. I can prove I'm legit if elected.
2.I'm apparently very transparent
3.Relies on open discussion and debate.
Dr. H:
1.Can prove he's legit if elected
2.Is not transparent, is a master mafioso and a mayer Dr. H I would fear above all
3. Relies on secret pm circles which can easily be infiltrated. Same problem goes with Fishball, they would spend days trying to find mafia which might not even exist.
DTS should check mayoral canidates, most likely to find a mafia(at least one mafia must've run, else they're just handing us the game on a platter.)
Since so many people claimed valuable roles while running for election, those people must be at the top of the priority list for medic protection. And as of now, Fishball's "circle" hasn't said anything, so I'm beginning to become highly suscipcious of Fishball.
Again, if you are in Fishball's circle, say so now. You don't have to say your role or anything, just say if you are. If no one does, I am going to lynch Fishball day 1. What I highlighted is the bullshit part where you are implying I will do exactly that. Do you retract that statement? It seems pretty obvious what it is implying. Or did you somehow mean the opposite of what you said? Again, you are pulling a rabbit out of a hat when there simply was no rabbit to begin with. I never said you were SOLEY operating in secret, I was under the impression you would rely upon masons and pms with them. Obviously I have stated we are apparently under the same stance. Besides that, and even still we disagree a little, I do not retract my statement. Do you? And what question? I'll happily answer any question. You did not say I was solely operating in secret. But I still don't like the fact that you tried to lump me in with Fishball in the "secret society non transperancy" boat when I never said/did anything to put myself in that boat in the first place. I've said several times throughout the thread that I would do my coordination in the open, maybe you skimmed over what I said? If you don't even know my platform, don't call me out on non existent problems with it please. So, no I don't retract my statement. The question I asked you was "do you think it is a bad idea for mayor to be converted into the circle" you then answered it by playing it off as though I had accused you of saying it was a bad idea, when I did no such thing. So even though there is no basis for the idea that I will operate in secret and be non-transparent, you refuse to retract the statement that I will operate in secret and be non-transparent. Interesting pandain, very interesting. Show nested quote +Besides that, and even still we disagree a little, I do not retract my statement. I have in that one regard. And let's see what I said "Relies on secret pm circles which can easily be infiltrated". Not "IS GOING TO BE GOING OFF OF ONLY SECRET CIRLCES" but that you seem to place an emphasis on that. Do you doubt that a pm circle which grows each night has a growing chance each night of mafia inflitration? Then what use is the circle at all! I noted you and fishball have a similar problem, but the problem/situation itself is different. If you look, I have answered pretty much every single thing you keep asking. I've already said mayors should obviously be involved in town circles, I'm saying we should not RELY on them. Ver backs me up on this too, go read his town guide. The more you keep trying to pick at straws the more scummy you seem to me, if not others. If you are townie, be careful if you continue to attempt to continue attacking me, it will hurt your campaign.
I'm not picking at straws here. Saying I rely on secret circles is a pretty bold statement and it's one that has fallen apart but you refuse to retract. You also refuse to retract the statement that I'm not transparent.
My plan has nothing to do with circles and it never did. My plan is about using my role to coordinate in the open. I never placed an emphasis on it and I only made a single offhand comment that it may be beneficial to recruit me into said circle.
You also just said it could be very useful for the mayor to be in such a circle and now you say "what use is the circle at all!"
your arguments are wildly inconsistent.
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On October 30 2010 11:23 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
My role has two basic abilities:
-to confirm itself to another player at night. basically I can send a signal to another player once per night that confirms I am the role I say I am.
-to assist in stopping the spread of the plague. i will use this role to reliably coordinate the night actions of plague doctors and the results will show in the murrayitis counts.
Both of these actions can be proven, they have results that cannot be faked.
Secondly, (more like the hundred time I've said this and people don't listen)
So whats the name of your role, i'm curious
Does it matter?
It seems strange that you would want to know. I guess it would do no harm to tell, it wouldn't reveal the exact nature of my powers, which I won't go into extreme detail on just yet.
I'm not sure I should say. Maybe there is a role that knows all the roles in the game? And you're trying to confirm I am who I say I am?
Maybe this is some kinda weird mafia fishing attempt?
I'll think about it.
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EPT
