Insane Mafia - Page 6

On October 30 2010 09:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Doc is falling into the same trap that Fishball did, they both think their roles are so important they HAVE to have the protection of mayor. In the process of campaigning they are both way to zealous and overreactive to what people say. I criticized Pandain earlier for not making a strong enough case for himself but after listening to Fish and Doc go back and forth I think I would prefer a slightly lower profile mayor.

Honestly I feel the same way Ace and BrownBear do, I'd love to have one of the people who isn't actively running be the mayor.

On October 30 2010 09:11 Ace wrote:


I responded to the bolded already.

I'm voting for bumatlarge because I don't see any negatives with him. With you and Fishball I do. I've also already explained about Pandain.

On October 30 2010 09:13 Ace wrote:


Because people don't have to believe your going to do what you say? I think you're better off trying to show us from another angle why you need to be Mayor. With you and Fishball both saying you have to be mayor because of your role it's actually killing your chances imo.

On October 30 2010 09:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If I'm mafia I'm basically saying

"I promise to do this thing that would be impossible for me to do and you can kill me if I don't do it"

Call it WIFOM all you want but that is a play that would never occur to a mafia that wasn't absolutely retarded.

On October 30 2010 09:18 NB wrote:
@DR.h: dont get me wrong, im still reading the thread to catch up but that post was my current summary of my thought on the current situation @_@... i have yet decided to vote on anybody so if you can convince me that you are more worthy than the other, i will vote for you :D...

again, no offends and please feel free to correct me ...

On October 30 2010 09:20 Fishball wrote:


Actually, from a sense, I do need the Mayor role to scum hunt "within my small group", especially after I've decided to come out, there is no turning back.

It will all make sense when you know my role.

On October 30 2010 09:21 Ace wrote:


1.) That wasn't being used as a point against you. I was talking about you, Fishball and Pandain as the remaining candidates who didn't have my vote. Nothing to do with bumatlarge.

2.) If you're Scum, get Mayor, lynch someone - how do you die? I don't know what roles are in the game and neither does anyone else. The name of the game is INSANE Mafia. Maybe you're scum with a role that can do something and look Pro-Town? I don't know and honestly, even if I did know the roles in the game that doesn't mean I'm going to take you at your word. There have been plenty of games where Scum says they promise to do something, like oh kill themselves and then WALLA! Something else happens, the Scum spin it to show that there is a better idea and the Scummy Martyr goes free. I'm not in the business on playing for promises.

On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


I am saying I am 100% able to prove I have a not scummy role and if I am found in any way to be lying, the town can lynch me. You don't have to take me at my word but this is a huge gambit I'm taking with a very small payoff if I am mafia.

Would you prefer I simply roleclaim now?

On October 30 2010 09:24 kitaman27 wrote:
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but if the Mayor can be role checked, why would a mafia even want to be elected? I suppose there is the possibility of a Godfather or something, but even that role seems like it could be used in better ways.

On October 30 2010 09:31 KtheZ wrote:
I would say that godfather would wreak the most havoc as mayor; Thus, I'm probably going to hold off my vote for a bit till I read up on the posts.
However, I'd like to ask DrH 1 question, sorry if it hasnt been answered
How can we be 100% sure you are not scum if there is the possibility of having shapeshifters in this game? Then you can always claim that you "guessed" wrong if you lynch a townie, and DT checks would show up as town.

On October 30 2010 09:35 kitaman27 wrote:


Sounds like it has something to do with the plague then. Confirm/Deny/Abstain?

On October 30 2010 09:40 Hyperbola wrote:
It's really pointless for me to vote for myself at this point so I guess I'll vote for Pandain. The other two prime candidates are all discussing secret societies and whatnot, and even though I'm all for those types of roles, I believe the mayor should really be a figurehead for the whole town.
1. It would be really difficult, and not to mention disadvantageous, for the mayor to prove they are a free mason or something along those lines
2. The mayor keeps the rest of the town out of the loop (because there wouldn't be a way to transfer secret data) and therefore causes confusion which can lead to unwarranted bandwagoning.
3. If the mayor dies, how will the circle prove itself to town afterward? After losing all leadership, the town will flop and scum will have it's way with the remains.
And as for Pandain, I have seen his play style from the previous game and think he would make a good mayor. If he turns out to be mafia, and unless he has flawlessly acted out the role, people would notice and he'd be gone in a blink of an eye.

On October 30 2010 09:41 Fishball wrote:
As for people bringing up the idea of having the circle come forward, I've put some thought into it.

If the circle remains hidden to the public, the Mafia can try to remain within and get as much intel as possible, while we'll be trying to do the same thing as well. If the circle comes public, the Mafia might as well off these members one by one. Keep in mind, there is a chance that there are no Mafia members in the circle (though very not likely), but regardless of this possibility, Mafia can plant confusion among the remaining members, and mislead the town.

Also, if the circle comes forward and god forbids, gets eliminated, it would defeat the entire purpose.

I'm not exactly against this idea, but I just want everyone else to think it through a bit more and provide more input, possibility a better alternative. At the end, this would not be my decision, but the other players'.

PS. A correction I have to make. I said I've came in contact with 4 other players earlier, this was a mistake. I've only came in contact with 3. The remaining 2 have not contacted me. This does not mean they haven't contacted each other, which I would not know.

On October 30 2010 09:45 Infundibulum wrote:
Also anybody running on the platform of "I will roleclaim if I am Mayor" needs to reconsider their platform in light of the fact that the mayor can be rolechecked.

Additionally, Artanis alluded to the possible existence of elements that can tamper with role check results - e.g. a framer or insane DT - meaning that a rolecheck on the mayor night 1 is possibly useless, as any rolecheck-tampering would almost certainly be directed the mayors' way.

Finally, remember confirming a players role ability != confirming a players alignment.

On October 30 2010 09:42 Coagulation wrote:


DocH
Anyone that doesn't fucking vote for you must be scum?
Are you fucking serious ?

no because I never said that. that's a great way to start off by making me look really radical though.

i voted for Pandain because it was a choice between Him And Fishball at the time (bum withdrew his candidacy before i voted or I would have voted him for my placeholder instead of pandain)
I posted many reasons why i chose pandain over fishball MANY Logical reasons.
i will repost them for you ****This was before you had decided to run for mayor

This was the same reason I voted for Pandain, that's satisfying.



Is that not a reasonable reason considering the two choices?? maybe not the greatest reason but I FEEL CONFIDENT we are not getting FUCKED BEHIND OUR BACKS.

Well in retrospect and considering what fishball has now said, no I don't think it's reasonable. If he lies he has put himself in an extremely precarious position that could blow up in the mafias face too easily. In fact I think if he were mafia this play, most likely, will end up benefiting the town. whereas the potential payoff of fishball as a townie mayor vs pandain as a townie mayor are much higher. fishball also won't be as easily manipulated by poor mafia bandwagoning.



Is that not a reasonable reason?? YOU SAID THE SAME THING EARLIER.

Now i am sticking with pandain because he is most likely not a red trying to gain control of town based on the fact that he is not campaigning relentlessly.

yet he seems to be doing pretty well in the polls despite this. he's bringing little suspicion onto himself and staying out of the heat of the argument while attracting voters who are too afraid to take a real position. good scum play if anything.

Pandain is more then capable of using what tools he has at his disposal to help coordinate a good town strategy and i doubt he would run for mayor if he thought his role wasnt capable of contributing greatly as mayor.. and I FEEL HE is the most TRUSTWORTHY candidate so far BASED ON HIS ACTIONS IN THIS GAME. I Dont get the same feeling from you when your Threatening "FOS" On anyone that doesnt vote you..

I'm threatening FOS on people who come off as scummy, like you, or NB. You ignore the fact that I can prove I'm town if I'm elected, which Pandain cannot, so it is ridiculous that you would trust him over me. If I lie, I die, in this case. Don't forget that fact.

IM NOT VOTING on WHOS PROMISING SOME BULLSHIT IF THEY GET MAYOR (town circle?? where??)
IM VOTING ON WHO I TRUST THE MOST IN MY GUT

IS THAT REASON ENOUGH?

No gut feelings are the opposite of reason so I can't say it's reason enough. I would also say please stop using caps lock and getting so emotionally invested in this.

On October 30 2010 09:47 orgolove wrote:


Sorry, that was directed to DrH, not you.

On October 30 2010 09:51 Infundibulum wrote:



read my last sentence

role != alignment

not even "standard roles" are 100%, due to the possibility of things like mafia medics or mafia detectives.

On October 30 2010 09:53 Divinek wrote:


I can't fathom any way you can do this that doesn't involve the possibility of you just getting your mafia buddies to help you do whatever it is you say you can do

I dont like the idea of just picking someone for what they say they are able to be or capable of. I'm more inclined to go with someone who has shown they can actually be useful instead of spewing confirmability.

Whatever it is you say you can do to confirm yourself i have no doubt the host put in something to make it possible to compromise the integrity of your claim. It's silly that you could try to be concrete on something so unknown to anyone.

I would rather have someone leading with clearly good intentions and capable of doing something instead of saying well guys i can be confirmed, cause once someone gets elected the spot lights so heavy it's ridiculous anyway