EPTTL Mafia XXXI - Page 2
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On October 07 2010 12:58 ~OpZ~ wrote: This is a strong point that Drag_ Is most likely town too....I fear you DrH. Drag_ going at him hard, maybe he's new and mafia, but still...too much attention? I'm agreeing with Drag_ here and I'd say he's most likely town aligned as well. I just was trying to diffuse a situation that could have been really distracting for the town | ||
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I looked at the day one votes and there were no votes for Infund. cSc voted for bumatlarge. Bumatlarge voted for protactinum. Infundibulum voted for Gruhr. I don't think there is much we can learn from the day 1 votes but it's best to keep it in mind, it's something. I'll go back over pages 15 onward. There was a lot of argumentation surrounding infundibulum so that needs to be looked at again. | ||
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Early on Pandain was bandwagoning infund for a lynch starting on page 15 with this post: On October 06 2010 05:50 Pandain wrote: Mmmm tough situation right now. While in this situation I would love to just RNG between the inactives, if everyone does that it gives too much room for mafia to manipulate that and get an inactive townie lynched instead. So one of my goals of pushing this "inactives to be lynched" concept is that we can also start to see whos posts because they realize they need to post more, and who posts just to get enough without really contributing anything. That leaves Dr. H and Infun, and unfortunately I can't really access H's posts from previous games to decide upon him. But Infun has only made this post, and it really adds no content of his own, while he "seems" to be contributing with roughly 2 decent paragraphs. Here's the post: His argument was that infund fit the profile of posting a lot of words with little content, a benchmark of mafia players attempting to appear as active townies. I argued that there were much better candidates for this position and I propositioned crisis as the best choice based on pandains logic. Our argument continued for a few pages and it should be read by everyone. On page 16 misder also called for a lynch of infundibulum. His argument was that infund had changed his playstyle. He then quickly changed his vote to OpZ on a "tiny suspicion". He never explained his reasoning. pandain later votes for SINiquity bumatlarge came into the thread saying his job as a townie would be to look out for the village idiot. ironically he himself voted for the village idiot, protactinum. on this same page I quoted cSc's vote for bumatlarge which he never once explained in the thread LSB softly accused bumatlarge of being mafia in this post: On October 07 2010 09:18 LSB wrote: Divinek is being pretty active Pandian is writing weird stories again. That probably means he's Red or Blue Bum says he's going on VI watch, that would be something Mafia would like to get recognized as Could someone tell me a bit more? Then again, DoctorH hasn't played for a while, so maybe his reentry means that he's willing to put in more effort As for the Newcomers, I haven't read much, but it should be pretty easy to tell if one of them is Green. Are any of them superactive? Lastly, Someone go Protect/Investigate Xelin. Brownbear just told us straight out that he's Red or Blue he also alluded to the fact that pandain might be red while pandain was the one who bandwagoned the now dead infund. on page 27 pandain lists bumatlarge as his second biggest suspect | ||
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For now my top suspects: 1. infinitestory - erratic arguments, edited posts, shows up once pressure is placed on him and suddenly becomes very active while it seems he was trying to stay quiet before. 2. misder- makes accusations but never backs them up. claims to have information that he never provides and has since been mostly MIA 3. SINiquity- only bothered to contribute by pointing out infinitestory's ridiculous VI argument and then spammed for a good 4-5 pages or so I don't feel extremely strong about any of these right now but on a quick reread these 3 stand out to me as the most suspicious. Hopefully this can spark our discussion on who to lynch day 2 the second thing we need to discuss is who should be rolechecked and who should be protected. pandain is a big rolecheck candidate along with Xelin. | ||
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On October 07 2010 13:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: basic summary of posts/arguments/conflicts concerning the deceased: Early on Pandain was bandwagoning infund for a lynch starting on page 15 with this post: His argument was that infund fit the profile of posting a lot of words with little content, a benchmark of mafia players attempting to appear as active townies. I argued that there were much better candidates for this position and I propositioned crisis as the best choice based on pandains logic. Our argument continued for a few pages and it should be read by everyone. On page 16 misder also called for a lynch of infundibulum. His argument was that infund had changed his playstyle. He then quickly changed his vote to OpZ on a "tiny suspicion". He never explained his reasoning. pandain later votes for SINiquity bumatlarge came into the thread saying his job as a townie would be to look out for the village idiot. ironically he himself voted for the village idiot, protactinum. on this same page I quoted cSc's vote for bumatlarge which he never once explained in the thread LSB softly accused bumatlarge of being mafia in this post: he also alluded to the fact that pandain might be red while pandain was the one who bandwagoned the now dead infund. on page 27 pandain lists bumatlarge as his second biggest suspect i would have edited this in but i need to add infunds second post here: On October 06 2010 10:37 Infundibulum wrote: The reason I haven't been posting is because I haven't been home since last night (>24h ago) when I made that first post. Thanks for getting my back while I was gone Dr H. Pandain, anybody can link to a website - but I'm the one who did. I don't think I've seen that guide before on TL at all, and frankly guides like that are something we could use more of on TL so that people can learn to play in non-PM games. You said it isn't superb though. So what would you add? Also Misder, I'm still waiting to see your list of suspects that you talked about before. he doesn't really make any strong accusations although he does point a very very soft finger toward Misder here | ||
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On October 07 2010 13:38 Bill Murray wrote: @DoctorH why are you pushing easy mislynches? Well, I guess Misder is intermediate. You also say "these two people are town" in cSc and Pandain. I agree with doing that sometimes, but I do not see the point of it here. Why did you do that? becasue cSc and pandain were connected to the deaths of infund/bumatlarge through voting/argumentation i wanted to emphasize that I don't expect either of being scummy this is a game with a lot of new players who might just jump to the conclusion that whoever was most opposed to the deceased is the scum and I want to avoid people jumping to conclusions. i'm going to go read happy.fairytails first posts before i respond to your accusation of bloodyc0bbler although its certainly stronger than anything i've come up with for the time being. | ||
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On October 07 2010 13:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote: becasue cSc and pandain were connected to the deaths of infund/bumatlarge through voting/argumentation i wanted to emphasize that I don't expect either of being scummy this is a game with a lot of new players who might just jump to the conclusion that whoever was most opposed to the deceased is the scum and I want to avoid people jumping to conclusions. i'm going to go read happy.fairytails first posts before i respond to your accusation of bloodyc0bbler although its certainly stronger than anything i've come up with for the time being. I looked over his posts and see very little suspicious about his first three posts but his post about the analysis he had written strikes me as very strange. it's possible it was something he had been working on up until that point, although how good could it be if it was missing 12 pages of information? it seems happy.fairytale wanted to play the role of the "objective numbers guy" and he did exactly that. his second post with the statistics concerning cops seemed pretty neutral and didn't encourage cops to come forward until late in the game. if he's fishing for cops it's a pretty weak fish, especially considering there is an argument not too much later over whether detectives should roleclaim at all in which he doesn't participate is there something I'm missing here? you seem pretty certain and I'm not very familiar with BC's posting habits anyway so I don't have the same picture you do of him as an overall player although that end game contradiction is pretty strong, I'll give you that. Unfortunately happy.fairytale can't defend himself, although I'm not sure how he could | ||
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On October 07 2010 13:43 Bill Murray wrote: If you don't agree, I'm probably going to label you as scum. You are now approaching a conundrum, a twilight zone if you will. Do you bus your partner if you are scum in this situation? "Sure, Bill, BC is scum" when you know he is to build townie cred? I don't put it past you, and perhaps I shouldn't fill you in on the ability to do that as it can be a viable tactic, but here at TeamLiquid players are usually very loyal to their scumbuddies. Watch out how you respond to someone else's case, DoctorH. If you have something bad to say, it is usually better to not say anything at all. i'm agreeing that you have a good point and a good case that needs to be discussed more i'm not ready to jump on your bandwagon yet for reasons i explained before | ||
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On October 07 2010 13:49 Bill Murray wrote: because he is your scumbuddy throw him under the bus, doctorh iirc your last analysis technically lost the town the game | ||
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On October 07 2010 13:49 ~OpZ~ wrote: Haha prepare to die. -_____- Fuck man have I even seen your name this game? ....Suck up? Do you want out of the limelight good sir? You know what he is thinking too...Seriously, this post wasn't about to be dedicated to you, I was just getting a vote list and reading thread. How were you stuck? I'm still reading thread maybe you answer it in there. If that's the case, ignore this. If I remember to delete it you'll never know. Bum was terrible as the village idiot watch guy.... Seriously. lmao. ...See....Fuck...Listen to this man. Anyone pushing to kill flamewheel being protected, which is why I'm making sure to make that vote list. Sorry I been away guys. This. Misder, please answer. ........................................... What is this....I can't even begin to understand this. ...Okay....I see...So you're feeling me. I'm feeling Dr. H...a lil.....Ya feel me? Anyway....Point of the matter is...I have no idea, maybe it was the italics but your post just hurt to read. I agree, as you can see in my current post, I'm agreeing with you. I would also like to hear some from Crisi_ again....where's he been at? Oh...and rock and a hard place? -______________- I think final vote lists should be posted in thread @_@ Anyway...Votes an protact would of been nice to post. Oh wow...fml, BB doesn't tally. Fuckkkkkk I actually gotta count. BM protact Ghrur - Dunno yet....Gonna have to reread thread. Infest - ....Wtf bro.October 06 2010 10:49. (Mafia attempt at forming a bandwagon quickly, trying to snipe a good player?) SiNiquity -again need to reread reasoning. I think he posted more than what he said in Pandains quote....But maybe I'm just remembering something different because there really wasn't much reasoning given for flame's deathhhh. Dr. H is going against him so clearly I need to better look at him. NukeTheBunnys - ....waaaat. Crisis_ - Already said some thangs. bumatlarge - ...you are insane sir. after reading that i have no idea who you are thinking who are your top suspects? it seems like you're trying to call out infinitestory here | ||
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On October 07 2010 13:54 Bill Murray wrote: My analysis is seeing ~OpZ~, DoctorH, and BC as mafia My last analysis lynched an anti-town player. If I really "lost us the game", why is it still going? I just got a VI smurf out of the game. not only did you lynch the VI you started the entire bandwagon and people started following into it with very little convincing/thought on their part that's more suspicious than anything happy.fairytale said your case for BC is good, I'd put him right under misder on my list for this reason. happy.fairytale, besides his seemingly contradictory ending posts, didn't post anything that seemed scummy. he was playing the "statistics guy" and the fact that he was keeping a spreadsheet just furthers that thing. personally i hate the statistics guys because I feel like they turn the game into a lottery instead of a mindgame. his second post wasn't anything near fishing for detectives. BC could be fishing for medics or he could also be giving them helpful advice. do you have any reason as to why medics shouldn't follow his advice? misder is fanning flames and pointing fingers without backing anything up. naturally he is very stupid not to provide reasoning but it does cause misdirection in the town and that is scummy | ||
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On October 07 2010 13:58 Bill Murray wrote: lets have an open roleclaim. BC, you first. I'm town, but I'm not saying what at this point people can say "no, we shouldn't roleclaim, it is way too early". I just want people to claim town/townie, not what role they are. If I was mafia, I wouldn't have the balls to say this. This is too obvious to be the play of mafia. Lynch BC if I get mislynched. If he flips red, look at ~OpZ~ and DoctorH. If you all want to win, listen to me. Claim. I'm claiming town. We need to consolidate through claims. Trust me on this one, and we will have a good game. everyone is going to roleclaim town what a useless post are you hoping someone will fuck up and claim their blue role? | ||
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On October 07 2010 13:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: everyone is going to roleclaim town what a useless post are you hoping someone will fuck up and claim their blue role? not to mention your shitty no true scotsman argument "no real mafia would do this because it's too ballsy" doesn't mean anything, it's a fallacy. not to mention this requires no balls or subtlety since everyone will claim town and no one will learn anything | ||
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On October 07 2010 13:59 Bill Murray wrote: The fact I am pretty sure I know who 3 high-level mafia are Is that good enough for you? Do I need to be a martyr for the town to win? Make me a martyr, DoctorH, get me lynched so they can see I'm town. how is knowing who 3 mafia are relevant to how medics should play even if BC is mafia he gave solid advice to medics. how else should medics play? remember the point here is not who is mafia and who isn't but how medics should perform their role during the night. don't dodge questions | ||
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On October 07 2010 14:01 Bill Murray wrote: not everyone will claim town, there will be townies amongst us. This way we can weed out the greens. what the fuck does that even mean? On October 07 2010 14:02 Bill Murray wrote: What are you Doctor H? town but i'm more confused by your plan than anything | ||
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On October 07 2010 14:05 Bill Murray wrote: we are getting EVERYONE to say they're town or whatever. If I flip, lynch BC/OpZ. DoctorH is possibly cleared. who says you're going to flip anything why would we lynch you since you're the vi | ||
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