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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
 Also bringing it to the top of the page so it doesn't get lost. On September 06 2010 04:20 SiNiquity wrote: SiNiquity's Guaranteed Plan to Win Lynch Rastaban (Done)
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img2.moonbuggy.org/imgstore/share-victory-share-defeat.jpg) Fishball, Scum Bullet Bill has committed suicide! GAME OVER! Town wins! + Show Spoiler [Game Information] + Players(20) Pandain Divinek BrownBear DarthThienAn LSB Radfield zeks Fishball ~OpZ~ JeeJee rastaban bumatlarge SiNiquity zeks johnnyspazz->Subversion Hesmyrr SouthRawrea vx70GTOJudgexv (out) citi.zen chaoser 14 town/4 scum/1 SK Scum DarthThienAn [1][3] Scum Fishball [13][20] Scum vx70GTOJudgexv -> jspazz->Subversion [3][2] -> [11][1] -> [3][1]** Scum rastaban [3][1] SK zeks [8][8] VT chaoser - [4][5] VT Pandain - [6][4] -> [12][1] -> [9][7] VT Divinek [6][2] VT BrownBear [5][5] -> [20][20] VT LSB [5][1] VT Radfield [14][1] -> [6][2] VT Bill Murray - [6][4] -> [7][1] -> [6][2] VT ~Opz~ - [12][1] -> [17][1] VT JeeJee [1][1] VT bumatlarge - [9][3] VT siNiquity [6][1] VT Hesmyrr [8][13] -> [7][13] VT SouthRawrea [2][9] -> [10][9] VT citi.zen [1][1] -> [18][1] Draft Order: rastaban [3][1] (POD) ->(CV) ->(DV)->(POD) -> (CV) chaoser[4][5] (JOAT) ->(Bad Santa)->(JOAT)->(Bad Santa) LSB [5][1] (Traitor) Hesmyrr [7][13] (CV) - VT zeks [8][8] (Role Cop) SouthRawrea [10][9] (CV)->(Traitor) - VT Subversion [11][1] (Role Cop)-VS Fishball [13][20] (Bullet Bill) -> (CV)->(Bullet Bill) ~Opz~ [17][1] (Meth Man) citi.zen [18][1] (JOAT) ->(Tracker)->(Bullet Bill)->(Tracker) BrownBear [20][20] (Meth Man) - VT JeeJee [1][1] (Doctor) - (rolled Normal) DarthThienAn [1][3] (CC) -> (DV) ->(CC) siNiquity [6][1] (Meth Man) -> (Tracker) - VT Divinek [6][2] (Tracker)->(Meth Man)->(Tracker)->(DV) Radfield [6][2] (copy Cat) - VT Bill Murray [6][2] (Mason) bumatlarge [9][3] (watcher) Pandain [9][7] (Martyr) *jpsazz didn't have time to coordinate his numbers with his Scum team since I switched him for Judge late in the cycle. His numbers would have clashed with rastaban and as they are both Scum it wouldn't be fair to them for this to happen. So I kept his first numbers [11][1] and used that as his number pick. Day 1: Bill Murray is shot by Divinek DarthThienAN is now Mason chaoser submits list as Bad Santa {radfield, siniquity, ~opz~, citi.zen, bumatlarge} Hessmyrr is lynched Night 1: Mafia shoot zeks zeks rolechecks Fishball zeks shoots Subversion Fishball BBs ~Opz~ bumatlarge watches zeks JeeJee protects Darththeinan citizen tracks JeeJee Pandain martyr's citizen Day 2: zeks is lynched Night 2: citizen tracks chaoser JeeJee prot ~Opz~ rastaban CVs LSB Fishball BB siniquity Mafia(rastaban) hit Radfield Pandain martyrs ~Opz~ bumatlarge watches LSB Day 3: SouthRawrea is lynched Night 3: JeeJee protects citi.zen Mafia(Darth) hit citi.zen citizen tracks LSB Fishball BB JeeJee Pandain martyrs JeeJee Rastaban CV chaoser Day 4 LSB is lynched Night 4 JeeJee prot Fishball bumatlarge watches JeeJee citi.zen tracks rastaban Pandain martyrs citizen rastaban CVs DarthTheInan Mafia (rastaban) hits JeeJee Day 5 rastaban is lynched Night 6 bumatlarge watches Fishball Pandain martyrs citi.zen Fishball commits suicide (forfeit) As you can see vx70GTOJudgexv was originally on the Scum team. He had to bow out so I randomly selected a Townie to replace him which was jspazz. Unfortunately for Scum jspazz went afk and luckily Subversion was around to replace in. There were a lot of unlucky breaks for Scum + some strong Town players which got them caught. The first night zeks was actually going to shoot Fishball, but switched to Subversion. Either way he was hitting Scum. Scum not using all their roles on players 2,3, and 5 was weird. They only shot at zeks and left the other 2 alone. Southwarea did the right thing ringing the bell about a traitor in the top ranks, but did the wrong thing and accused Hessmyrr out of no where. Still no idea how anyone thought that was a good lynch. Scum in the latter half of the game kept hitting unconfirmed townies tightening the noose on themselves. If the last 2 days are anything to go by some of the town still didn't have a clue. Should have shot everyone on chaoser's list except ~Opz~ and kept it going. Townies lying (hi ~Opz~!) but citi.zen waited before outing him and chaoser's list saved the town from a very bad situation. Then again Scum shot chaoser (???) and confirmed 5 players. If this didn't happen and chaoser lived there would have been lots of leeway to make trouble. A word about roles: For some reason there is a fixation on CV being the best role. That really depends on what else is being picked but if I had confidence in my team to escape lynches I wouldn't worry about the CV. If it's being controlled by the town then that means you probably won't get shot till it's too late. As Scum and town there are way better roles. The way the game was set up was that there were multiple options between 3 sets : Protective, Investigative, and Killing. You don't need CV and in fact no matter what side you're on if you get one of the upper tier slots it's usually in your best interest to pick whatever you want. Submitting yourselves to other people's authority isn't exactly a good thing early in the game. That said Scum is far more dangerous picking a doctor, roleblocker, role cop, Day vigi combination than having a CV. An extra kill isn't better than the ability to stop yourself from getting NK'd and stopping town roles. Take your role cop and find investigative roles and let your Day Vigi shoot the scummiest Townie. Let the town worry about whether or not the CV is legit, if he aims for one of you just RB him or med prot the target. Lastly the Scum pretty much let the town get too comfortable with each other. After Radfield died, citi.zen and Pandain just rolled over everyone in the game and started putting pieces together. There was no strong Scum intervention aside from Fishball and it was just a matter of time. No one had a solid read on him in the mid-game but he was going to die soon from process of elimination. This game shows that no matter what happens if the town is very active and putting things together someone has to step up and shut it down. So many opportunities to cause havoc but I'm not sure if anyone was active enough to read the thread. As for Bad Santa I'll probably remove it next game. Chaoser got very lucky picking 5 townies, but then Scum shot him so that made it even worse. LSB played a hell of a Traitor this game, surviving way longer than I though he would. citi.zen and Radfield were most likely the town MVPs this game. | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
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Pandain
United States12984 Posts
1.LSB why did you pick traitor 2. Bill Murray why did you pick mason  Also I find it funny that so many of my "plans" revolved around there being a roleblocker(since it was that or rasta/fishball lying) and then Sinq just comes in, totally destroys that, and comes up with an even sexier plan. | ||
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
LSB did well even with some early pressure on him, and it was an interesting call on his part to pick traitor high up in the draft - it kept the town busy for a long time. Radfield - as always impressive early game hard work. Sin, great job finishing this up. Ace, thanks for hosting & patiently answering the many-many questions. I think the band santa turned out a bit better in this game than it would in general. Had there been any red on Chaoser's list Opz may well have gotten lynched for lying about being the tracker. It may be a role that adds a bit too much variance, not sure if it can be handled by changing the number of people on the list or not. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Excellent moderation by Ace. I really enjoy playing in your games. I though Pandain played really well down the stretch, as well as the 4 confirmed players. Also nice to know that the two players I got into arguments with, Fishball and LSB, were both mafia. Town was in a great situation early on though. SK hits a mafia night one, Mafia shoot at the SK night one, SK gets lynched day 2. This put the mafia in a huge hole to start. The Bad Santa falling the way it did basically finished the game though. Mafia would have really needed to pull out all the stops to win this one. Good Game all around, can't wait for PYP3 Edit: My plan was really pretty bad all around, but it partially did what I intended: Keep the powerful mafia roles away from the mafia, get important town roles into the game(didn't really accomplish this). Compared to last PYP we were miles ahead though. I'm curious as to how many people actually RNGed their role. If nothing else though, it got some people talking. | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
Also I didn't realize the power of certain roles, and how important just having a night action is. If I has had DTA take role blocker instead of copy cat, I think we would have fared better, an extra check would have helped a lot. Also we had a great plan but when jspazz quit us and the roles changed 3 hours before the deadline we ended up confused. The extension helped, but subversion only had 20 minutes to try and grab something. It didn't help that I had training all of a sudden at work so I couldn't coordinate with Fish very well. It was fun though, good job town. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
I pretty much talked to Ace and Rastaban on Friday saying that the game was already lost. We had a slim chance since the beginning so we gave it a go, but at this point, it was statistically lost. Decided to let it drag out and unfold anyways to see what the town would do. Going out again, so I'll elaborate on how our "real" situation was this entire game when I get back. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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Pandain
United States12984 Posts
On September 07 2010 02:16 JeeJee wrote: damn i wasn't a weak doc ggwp Lol I actually meant to protect you the night you died since if you were town you were a good role(either doctor, alignment cop, or Joat.) But then it was like 2 hours till I had to send in my protection and I was panicing so I just protected citizen :/ . Sorry about that :O | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On September 06 2010 22:44 zeks wrote: why did both south and lsb pick traitor (same reason i picked day vig, to have fun | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
I open my PM box. You are vanilla townie. And I was like ((((. I wanted to be mafia for a game (I was town for the other two games I played)But then, when I reviewed the roles, I saw traitor! I could be a mafia member! And I was pick #4 (at the start, before Ace revised his roles). Citi.zen, you almost caught me, I talked myself out of that one. After my pick was switched to #3, I realized that there was a 33% chance of Hesmyrr finding out that I didn’t pick PoD. What I needed to do was have a good alibi. I pretended to be inactive, so I could claim that I picked godfather, as so to deny the mafia 2 roles. Although it would fail after the first role check, it would buy some time I guess. After SR claimed, I figured that it was time to kill everyone around me and be the last man standing. (Well, later on I figured I couldn’t kill Rasta XD) I was hoping the mafia wouldn’t mess with the top and try to let me deal with it myself, but yeah, after Rasta shot me, things got sticky real fast I’m proud of the zeks kill! Mafia couldn’t kill zeks, so pushed the town to kill him! | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On September 07 2010 03:41 LSB wrote: My story I open my PM box. You are vanilla townie. And I was like ((((. I wanted to be mafia for a game (I was town for the other two games I played)But then, when I reviewed the roles, I saw traitor! I could be a mafia member! And I was pick #4 (at the start, before Ace revised his roles). Citi.zen, you almost caught me, I talked myself out of that one. After my pick was switched to #3, I realized that there was a 33% chance of Hesmyrr finding out that I didn’t pick PoD. What I needed to do was have a good alibi. I pretended to be inactive, so I could claim that I picked godfather, as so to deny the mafia 2 roles. Although it would fail after the first role check, it would buy some time I guess. After SR claimed, I figured that it was time to kill everyone around me and be the last man standing. (Well, later on I figured I couldn’t kill Rasta XD) I was hoping the mafia wouldn’t mess with the top and try to let me deal with it myself, but yeah, after Rasta shot me, things got sticky real fast I’m proud of the zeks kill! Mafia couldn’t kill zeks, so pushed the town to kill him! And yet your overzealous push made me strongly suspect you to be the traitor I think the biggest mistake town made this game was lynching Southrawrea over LSB. It just made so much less sense(in my mind) for SR to be making it all up.I died before I could do anything though so it hardly matters... | ||
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Pandain
United States12984 Posts
Basically, how much should this wifom be counted for. I've heard that you should just ignore it altogether but at the same time in decisions like this I would think you need to consider it. Then again, it seemed to me "Would it be logical for Rastaban and Fishball to be double faking roleblocker." I thought no, and went with that. We can see how that turned out. EDIT: OMG IM A HYDRA | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
and pandain the lying townee! fun game though | ||
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