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On September 05 2010 01:17 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 01:07 SiNiquity wrote:On September 04 2010 12:04 Ace wrote:
DTA was Copy Cat. I'll edit the post to clear up confusion. Excellent. Then this gives us a little bit of additional information: If Rastaban is town, then Divinek is townor equivalently, If Divinek is Mafia, then Rastaban is MafiaThe reasoning behind this is thus: If Divinek were Mafia and Rasta town, then Divinek would've day vig'ed Rasta on day 1. Passing CV on to Darth (Mafia) would've been completely worth it. Also, more discussion here before lynching, thanks. + Show Spoiler [To CV or not to CV?] +On September 04 2010 11:44 SiNiquity wrote:DTA was copycat huh (pretty sure there was only 1 mason this game, but with BM dying first CC would get his role)? Hmm down to 9 with 2 Mafia left... at this point, is it advantageous to keep the CV? Suppose, worst case scenario, we persistently hit town (I don't foresee this given the large number of confirmed players, but again worst case here): With CV- Lynch,
- Mafia Kill, CV, Tracker, Bullet Bill
- 6 - 2
- Lynch,
- Mafia Kill, CV, Tracker, Bullet Bill
- 3 - 2
Without CV- Lynch CV
- Mafia Kill, Tracker, Bullet Bill
- 7 - 2
- Lynch,
- Mafia Kill, Tracker, Bullet Bill
- 5 - 2
- Lynch,
- Mafia Kill, Tracker, Bullet Bill
- 3 - 2
The tradeoff here is Mafia is guaranteed one more hit which will of course hit town (whereas CV has a chance to hit Mafia). However, it also gives one additional use of the Bullet Bill and Tracker, while also removing a potentially dangerous role should the CV turn out to be Mafia. This is of course presuming Fishball is town (tracker seems to be pretty handicapped with the roles taking priority). The fact that JeeJee was killed, confirming Fishball's claim that he was not Mafia, sadly does nothing to confirm Fish himself. Although I'm admittedly surprised Mafia would go after JeeJee rather than someone on Chaoser's list. Hmm... Also who did Fish confirm last night? ## Vote Rastaban (unless someone can show me how the above plan is bad). *sigh* Stick with the plan, guys. There are a number of flaws in your argument. For example, you say that if Divinek was mafia than he would have certainly used his day vig on Rastaban. But doing that would be certain death for divinek, so I highly doubt even a 1-1 trade would be good. Add to that the fact that the mafia has roleblocker and you can tell they wouldn't even need to worry that much about him. In addition, you yourself say that they can both be town. What are you doing then? You're getting rid of a sure fire lynch we have right now(Brownbear) for a maybe, just maybe lynch. Furthormore, add what I have said above about Rastaban to the fact that Rastaban started the whole suscipsion of Divinek (which Mafia would NEVER do at this late in the game.) Change back to Brownbear Sinq. But just to clarify, you are not town roleblocker correct? Just have to make sure.
WRONG
he's even done it before like two games ago as mafia lol, ive said this like 3 times. Why will no one acknowledge the benefits of killing the CV today. I think the risk of him being mafia is great and dangerous enough in itself.
Though i suppose it'd be fine to kill him tomorrow too when it will be uh hm 7-2? or something. But if you do it that day it leads to 5-2 the next day worse case, but realistically you're gonna hit a mafia somewhere and it'll go 5-1 or something. That is unless pandain and rasta are mafia, and i really feel like at least one of those bastards is. Especially if BB flips town.
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though sinq i dont think rasta dying and flipping red, cv, green whatever clears me in anyway way does it? I mean i was already suspicious of him and then comes out with this assault on me just like he did to chaoser in a former game, and since i know my alignment it makes me think he does as well!
I still think it's funny that people think id pick day vig and pop BM as mafia, it's a wifom thing but you guys need to get to know me better 
oh and
##unvote
##vote rastaban
i wholly support this plan
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On September 06 2010 04:51 SiNiquity wrote:SiNiquity's Almost Guaranteed Plan to Win
Does not rely on special powers (Bullet Bill, Tracker, Meth Head, etc).
Does rely on Rasta ==> Divinek Lynch Rastaban- If Mafia:
- Remaining 1 Mafia is in (
Divinek, Fishball, Brownbear, Pandain)
- Mafia hits confirmed townie (
3 4 remaining, 6 town total)
- Lynch Fishball.
- If Mafia: Town wins
- If Town:
- Roleblocker exists (therefore cannot be Divinek - this is how he got confirmed).
- Mafia hits confirmed townie (3 remaining, 4 town total)
- Lynch Brownbear or Pandain
- If Roleblocker: Town Wins
- If Town:
- Mafia hits confirmed townie (2 remaining, 2 town total).
- Lynch BrownBear / Pandain. Town wins
- If Town:
- Roleblocker exists
- Mafia hits someone from Chaoser's list (3 remaining, 5 town total)
- Remaining 2 Mafia are in (Fishball, Brownbear, Pandain, [Divinek]), and at least 1 of (Brownbear, Pandain) is Roleblocker.
- Lynch BrownBear or Pandain
- If Roleblocker:
- Remaining 1 Mafia is in (Fishball, Brownbear/Pandain, [Divinek])
- Mafia hits someone from Chaoser's list (2 remaining, 4 town total)
- Lynch BrownBear/Pandain (IMPORTANT! Must ensure BrownBear/Pandain is not JOAT).
- If Mafia: Town wins
- If Town:
- Mafia hits someone from Chaoser's list (1 remaining, 2 town total)
- Lynch Fishball.
- If Mafia: Town wins
- If Town:
- Mafia hits someone from Chaoser's list (0 remaining, 0 town remaining)
- Mafia win
- Divinek is a genius for assassinating BM instead of Rasta.
- If Town:
- Mafia kills someone from Chaoser's list (2 remaining, 3 town total)
- Lynch Roleblocker (other candidate of BrownBear / Pandain)
- Remaining 1 Mafia is Fishball (or highly unlikely, Divinek)
- Mafia kills someone from Chaoser's list (1 remaining, 2 town total)
- Lynch Fishball
- If Mafia: Town wins
- If Town:
- Mafia kills someone from Chaoser's list (0 remaining, 0 town total)
- Mafia win
- Divinek is a genius for assassinating BM instead of Rasta.
Now about Rasta ==> Divinek. I think it highly unlikely that Divinek would waste an opportunity to grab CV for the Mafia. Granted he did shoot BM, #18, who according to the plan had a 50% chance of being JOAT supposing it had slipped through #6 (50%), #9 (50%) and #12 (25%). It's very much a WIFOM argument - shoot low on the list, avoid suspicion, but pass up a chance at the CV role for Mafia. Anyway, mull it over.
i think your argument is pretty air tight. Except for me being mafia makes rasta mafia, my shooting bm had nothing to do with anything really. I mean there are good bonuses that go along with it, but i just wanted bm to die. I'm sure you people are never going to believe me. But if i was red i doubt i would have used my day vig like i did on day 1 anyways.
I shot bm cause i thought it was hilarious and would actually be beneficial to town (but 99% cause it made me laugh).
i agree that if i was red and rasta was green i surely would have shot him with darth having cc, im not that blind with the idea of hilarity.
to really get beyond the whole wifom of my day vig actions being just for fun you'd have to know how i think, not just any person, or anyone of a particular alignment but meeeeee. Bum probably knows me best and he still has me pegged for mafia  , but i still think he's just maddddd.
I'm actually going to be quite surprised if rasta flips town. Seems like there's so much bad stuff against him. But maybe im incorrectly pegging him as mafia, just as he did to me. My vote has to stay with him though
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On September 06 2010 06:11 SiNiquity wrote:
Also, while we're at it: would you like to roleclaim BrownBear?
he said ages ago he's vanilla and tried to pick methman. Ez track
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On September 06 2010 06:36 Pandain wrote:
Actually now I'm thinking there has to be a roleblocker and Brownbear most likely is one(as Rastaban HAS to have been roleblocked or he would have been modkilled night two.)
Should we take this into consideration?
i think it was already also said that he could have stacked with mafia kill, and claimed rb
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that gets less funny everytime you do that pandain, and it wasn't funny the first time
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YES I WAS RIGHT
and fuck everyone that called me scum
lets win this
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On September 06 2010 22:44 zeks wrote:why did both south and lsb pick traitor (
same reason i picked day vig, to have fun
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and brown bear wins the award for most inactive player
and pandain the lying townee!
fun game though
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i think this was it, i asked on the first page cause id never seen sanity before lol
On August 05 2010 12:22 youngminii wrote:/in Sanity is pretty much a balancing tool. There's 4/5 sanities for Cop/Doc Sane Cop: All checks are accurate (bar certain role qualities ie. GF) Insane Cop: All checks are the opposite of what they should be Naive Cop: All checks are innocent Paranoid Cop: All checks are guilty For Docs it's similar Sane Doc: All protections are normal Insane Doc: 50% chance of killing the target Naive Doc: All protections do nothing Weak Doc: Doc dies if protecting a non-townie And there's one I've seen used but it's quite rare... I think it was in a bastard mod marathon game  CPR Doc: Doc kills target if target is not attacked
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On September 07 2010 13:26 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 12:26 citi.zen wrote:Dropping bad santa should be fine. An alternative might be to reduced the list to 3 people: works the same in mafia hands but when in town hands you could at most have 2 confirmed players when someone gets killed. Killing the bad santa would be less appealing. Bad santa aside, I think this game was balanced OK. The mafia did effectively have another player in the traitor + there were some good pro-mafia roles that could have given the mafia extra KP but were not picked (still find it odd there wasn't a GF, even with the buff it got). The SK death/killing a red was twice lucky for town. Chaoser's list was another huge bit of luck: I would have pushed really hard to lynch Opz in it's absence; as it turned out, both me and Opz were on it AND there were also no other red on it AND Radfield had just been killed that night. I actually liked the hit on JeeJee. The scum knew there was a medic/jack out there and they had it narrowed down to one of a few players. I don't think this is why they killed him, but I could be wrong. The mafia killed JeeJee to make lynching Fishball less attractive. This is the same reason FB claimed he was roleblocked the following night and went from 90% to 99% red in my eyes. I sort of checked out the past few days, glad Sin was there to finish this strong! Just to elaborate a bit here, I didn't really want to claim to be Role Blocked. I actually put in "orders" to hit myself and call it a day (plus I knew I would be busy during this long weekend), but Rastaban changed it to JeeJee. Me asking to die in the thread was actually sincere. This was on Friday night, where I knew the game was already lost. For the record, I did not hit Chaoser, and I still don't know why the guys did it... Anyways, after that long post from Rastaban on Divenek, I thought it wouldn't be too nice to put his efforts to "waste", so I just played along, despite the inevitable.
see now everytime rasta comes out of no where with an end game analysis on someone, im going to push for his lynch soooooooooooo hard. I was hoping he was being mindlessly consistent like before, and indeed he was.
I mean i knew i was town, and the way he posted i felt like he knew too lol.
wait what in the world. Why would you guys ever hit chaoser?(er those guys i suppose since you didnt) lol if you know none of you are on the list and it confirms all those people....im so confused.
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