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On August 29 2010 05:55 Radfield wrote:
Maybe I'm seeing things through rose-colored glasses here. Can anyone lay out an argument how zeks is not an anti-town player?
If there are only 3 mafia, Zeks could be Townie. The 3 mafia would hit zeks, while the 4th person is a doctor and protected him.
This is very important: Doctors, if you protected Zeks last night, can you claim?
This would be good news on 2 levels. 1) If there are only 3 mafia, that means a big advantage for us. 2) We get to make sure our DT is still alive
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On August 29 2010 05:58 Pandain wrote:theres only one thing I don't get: explain this quote Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 04:41 zeks wrote:
Thus conclusion: mafia knows my role and wants me dead by lynch since they couldn't finish the job last night
Which is why I'm not claiming because they will call me out on it.
Defend it well enough and I may have something that can save you :p
XD
Hmm... I wonder who's the Pardoner...
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On August 29 2010 06:15 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Zeks, you're in a bad position. There is one way to prove you're role cop and tell us Fishball's role...That would be the only way I see you living. Which even then...It's kind of slim. As I've said, Role Cop isn't exactly the most powerful role in the world, in my mind.
Anyway, I see some problems with everything, and you can't be town aligned.
We know he's rolecop, I was the one to prove it.
The problem is if he is town aligned.
Zeks, if you are town aligned, please do not disclose Fishball's Role.
Fishball could be thinking of a strategy, and it is always bad for Mafia to know more blue roles than necessary.
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On August 29 2010 06:32 SouthRawrea wrote:
TL;DR Subversion picked without thinking, probably didn't pick rolecop. Doesn't clear Zeks.
On August 29 2010 05:08 LSB wrote:
Subversion is Mafia, the mafia would probably PM him, telling him to take Rolecop. Their not going to let some random dude go "LOL! I don't care about this game".
So that means the Rolecop is above Subversion
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On August 29 2010 06:33 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 06:20 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 06:15 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Zeks, you're in a bad position. There is one way to prove you're role cop and tell us Fishball's role...That would be the only way I see you living. Which even then...It's kind of slim. As I've said, Role Cop isn't exactly the most powerful role in the world, in my mind.
Anyway, I see some problems with everything, and you can't be town aligned. We know he's rolecop, I was the one to prove it. The problem is if he is town aligned. Zeks, if you are town aligned, please do not disclose Fishball's Role. Fishball could be thinking of a strategy, and it is always bad for Mafia to know more blue roles than necessary. How did you prove it? You picked before him. This hinges on Subversion of picking RoleCop, not PoD/BadSanta/CompVig...If one of those roles picked traitor, then he he could of picked any of those, albeit be wrong.
On August 29 2010 04:52 LSB wrote:
Here's what I think. It seems so Obvious, I'm facepalming myself for not noticing it.
Subversion Picked Rolecop. I am 100% certain, he is mafia, Rolecop is THE town role here.
We should have already figured that out
This is confirmed because Zeks claims that he has a role that the mafia wants dead.
But was blocked, so mafia knows that Zeks is Rolecop
Mafia tries to kill Zeks
But! Zeks is actually Serial Killer. So it doesn't work!!
Zeks CANNOT claim, because we know that a doctor couldn't have protected him.
##VOTE: Zeks Because he is Serial Killer.
Note, SK will not work for us, he is decidedly anti town
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^The 2nd one is just for random people coming in. It's always good to copy paste!
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On August 29 2010 06:46 SouthRawrea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 06:44 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 06:32 SouthRawrea wrote:
TL;DR Subversion picked without thinking, probably didn't pick rolecop. Doesn't clear Zeks. On August 29 2010 05:08 LSB wrote:
Subversion is Mafia, the mafia would probably PM him, telling him to take Rolecop. Their not going to let some random dude go "LOL! I don't care about this game".
So that means the Rolecop is above Subversion
LSB he had 20 minutes to pick. Read the entire post. He said he picked without a plan.
Oh of course that explains everything! </sarcasm>
Dude, he's mafia. Mafia lies
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On August 29 2010 06:53 SouthRawrea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 06:47 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 06:46 SouthRawrea wrote:On August 29 2010 06:44 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 06:32 SouthRawrea wrote:
TL;DR Subversion picked without thinking, probably didn't pick rolecop. Doesn't clear Zeks. On August 29 2010 05:08 LSB wrote:
Subversion is Mafia, the mafia would probably PM him, telling him to take Rolecop. Their not going to let some random dude go "LOL! I don't care about this game".
So that means the Rolecop is above Subversion
LSB he had 20 minutes to pick. Read the entire post. He said he picked without a plan. Oh of course that explains everything! </sarcasm> Dude, he's mafia. Mafia lies Dude even if he had all the time since he joined he had 2 hours. He was a last minute replacement. He didn't even think he would be able to join until Ace gave him the thumbs up right before day 1.
To give you perspective on how much can happen in 2 hours.
2 hours ago, I figured out that Zeks was Rolecop SK
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A lot of posts don't make sense actually.
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On August 29 2010 07:26 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 08:57 LSB wrote:On August 26 2010 06:00 Radfield wrote:
That leaves picks 2-4. The most dangerous player there right now is pick #3. If LSB is mafia, and took PoD according to the plan(which he likely would if mafia), then chances are he will use it tonight. With all the focus being on picks 2-4, there is a very good chance he will get found out in the next day or so. Hence, if mafia, he will use the power tonight.
Thats assuming I am mafia. But the fact is, as town, I'm not going to use my ability. Unless you give me an extremaly compelling reason. I will not use it. Hypothetical, say I was mafia and I followed your plan. Boom! I get revealed. I die. That's a pretty bad plan for the mafia What I'm saying here, is that if we accept that picks 2-4 are equally likely to be the traitor, then we should lynch pick 3, solely for the additional reason that if mafia, he is extremely dangerous, and will likely use his power tonight(so time is of the essence on the lynch). However, the thing is, 2-4 are NOT equally likely to be the traitor. Check out my post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141431¤tpage=29#575I claim that Spot 4 is the most likely to be traitor. Secret messages? n.n + Show Spoiler +Its obviously a coincidence, a loose one if that too. Just found it partly funny. Hmm... it seems now it won't show it in correct order. Look at first word of each line :p original postAlso south, aren't you also assuming that there's 4 mafia? There could be 3(although unlikely, its a possibility)
Pandain you can't give away the code for the secret friendship alliance =O!
Is Halarious! XD. Now I wish I was traitor so I could say I thought of that myself
Mafia would defiantly know that I'm speaking in code!
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On August 29 2010 07:50 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 07:44 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 07:26 Pandain wrote:On August 26 2010 08:57 LSB wrote:On August 26 2010 06:00 Radfield wrote:
That leaves picks 2-4. The most dangerous player there right now is pick #3. If LSB is mafia, and took PoD according to the plan(which he likely would if mafia), then chances are he will use it tonight. With all the focus being on picks 2-4, there is a very good chance he will get found out in the next day or so. Hence, if mafia, he will use the power tonight.
Thats assuming I am mafia. But the fact is, as town, I'm not going to use my ability. Unless you give me an extremaly compelling reason. I will not use it. Hypothetical, say I was mafia and I followed your plan. Boom! I get revealed. I die. That's a pretty bad plan for the mafia What I'm saying here, is that if we accept that picks 2-4 are equally likely to be the traitor, then we should lynch pick 3, solely for the additional reason that if mafia, he is extremely dangerous, and will likely use his power tonight(so time is of the essence on the lynch). However, the thing is, 2-4 are NOT equally likely to be the traitor. Check out my post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141431¤tpage=29#575I claim that Spot 4 is the most likely to be traitor. Secret messages? n.n + Show Spoiler +Its obviously a coincidence, a loose one if that too. Just found it partly funny. Hmm... it seems now it won't show it in correct order. Look at first word of each line :p original postAlso south, aren't you also assuming that there's 4 mafia? There could be 3(although unlikely, its a possibility) Pandain you can't give away the code for the secret friendship alliance =O! Is Halarious! XD. Now I wish I was traitor so I could say I thought of that myself Mafia would defiantly know that I'm speaking in code! You know, its stuff like this that really makes me dislike you. I mean, when the town's thinking you just will start spouting your own thing. LIke here the town had already decided that we were going to let SR die, and then convienantly you just happen to "prove" he's SK. *sigh* I guess I'll have to think about it tonight. + Show Spoiler +
I proved that Zeks is SK
SR and Zeks are 2 completely different people FYI
On August 29 2010 07:51 Pandain wrote:
Aw wrong order. Preview function ftl.
That wasn't serious
That could explain stuff
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Hey Fishball
This is the most important post
On August 29 2010 04:52 LSB wrote:
Here's what I think. It seems so Obvious, I'm facepalming myself for not noticing it.
Subversion Picked Rolecop. I am 100% certain, he is mafia, Rolecop is THE town role here.
We should have already figured that out
This is confirmed because Zeks claims that he has a role that the mafia wants dead.
But was blocked, so mafia knows that Zeks is Rolecop
Mafia tries to kill Zeks
But! Zeks is actually Serial Killer. So it doesn't work!!
Zeks CANNOT claim, because we know that a doctor couldn't have protected him.
##VOTE: Zeks Because he is Serial Killer.
Note, SK will not work for us, he is decidedly anti town
Feel free to ask questions.
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On August 29 2010 07:29 SouthRawrea wrote:#Vote ZeksHopefully we finally hit the traitor so my name gets cleared. SK is good too but I want vengeance for my lost role and Hesmyrr's death D:. (My fault I know D 
BTW SR, you need an extra "#"
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On August 29 2010 12:15 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2010 08:16 Radfield wrote:Citi.zen's Post + Show Spoiler +On August 23 2010 23:55 citi.zen wrote:
I like the probabilistic nature of the list, but still fret about how the mafia/Sk can take advantage of it.
Some concerns:
1. "Reserved" roles.
Lower drafting mafia (and the SK, for that matter) can take whatever role they want and claim they didn't get any role. For example, grab any of Pardoner / Floridian(great for SK) / Role Blocker / God Father then say "uhhh... I went for a defensive role but it was taken". I know Radfield said he's not too concerned with these roles, but to me they are a HUGE deal late game - think of all the missed lynches we can have. They are, after all, in the game to help the mafia. It's true that in principle we could verify "plain vanilla" claims, but in reality sorting it out will take too long & the mafia can always justify their claim based on how dead people flipped. So all these roles are too safe for the mafia to grab for my liking.
2. Blue sniping.
The list still makes finding investigative roles quite easy once the lynchings start. Once the meth man is dead th SK can get a very clear hit list with likely bullet bill and the tracker candidates.
I cannot emphasize this enough: once the drafting phase is over, don't start claiming your roles in the thread unless yo are 100% sure it leads to catching a liar. You might think claiming what you got or didn't get does you no harm, but remember it will also reveal information about other players.
3. The list.
For me there are two key town investigative roles: bullet bill and tracker. These are great roles to find mafia and the only ones to detect the SK. The alignment cop is also important, but given their uncertain sanity + inability to detect SK/GF it's a lot weaker in my book. I'd suggest prioritizing bullet bill over all other investigative roles, placing tracker next on our list and leaving the alignment cop for last.
Finally, please don't just feel like you are doing your job at this stage by using an RNG and calling it a day. Help us improve this plan by thinking critically, or we'll be screwed later on. First off, something we need to be very careful of: If we follow this plan, no one can reveal if they got, or did not get the role they went for. DO NOT STATE IF YOU GET YOUR ROLE OR NOT. Posting that you are vanilla gives the mafia the information they need to hunt down our powerful investigative roles. It's very important that everyone's role, or lack of a role, is kept hidden, at least for the first part of the game. Citizen, remember that by leaving those roles(Pardoner, Floridian, RB, GF) for the mafia, we also gain another powerful investigative role in the rolecop. Which takes us from BB and tracker, to BB, tracker and rolecop. So I think it turns out fairly neutral both ways; If they choose to go after the more powerful roles, then we also get a more powerful rolecop. Again, no one should be claiming what they did or did not get in the thread. The exception to this would be if you were pick 5 and went for rolecop (or pick6 and joat, or pick7 and Bullet Bill) and the role was already taken. Since you are the first person available to take that role(according to the plan), it means a mafia must be in front of you, and swiped the role. On August 24 2010 05:42 ~OpZ~ wrote:
And also, Radfield, you seem to be in the same mindset as PYP 1. Weren't you SK that game?
My recommendation would be for Radfield to be tracked night one. BM to be Bullet Billed. If there is a watcher, I'd say watch Radfield, and I would be more than happy to request medic protection on him.
I would look into Fishball also, but knowing what I know about Fishball, I wouldn't expect too much from him til later in the game.
<3 Fishball
I was SK that game, and my plan was to play extremely pro-town, which I did with stunning success. So much success, that the mafia Day-Vigged me. So if you're trying to say I seem extremely pro-town, then thanks But you raise a good point, at no time can anyone be confirmed to be non-SK solely through their actions. The SK should look like a townie, because it's in the SK's best interest to kill off the mafia. Also, If you truly think I'm the Serial Killer, you would try to keep me around, not try to kill me off. I made cases against and lynched a mafia on both Day 1 and Day 2 in PYP1, as well as soaking up a hit from the mafia. At pick #16 I don't need medic protection. Honestly, chances are I'll end up vanilla, which means it's my job to take hits. If I last past night 2, then we can start burning up investigative night actions on me. It's far too early to be trying to place night actions anyways. We still have 48hours before day 1 ends, and 72 hours before those night actions need to be in place. Plenty of time to scum hunt. Getting as much of my analysis and information out there before I die (scum has built a wonderful case on me as being SK and getting the attention diverted away from scum hunt):
That sounds like a SK claim to me.
First Radfield told people not to state their role. I randomed rolecop so I didn't go against the plan at all with the whole exception thing. So I didn't roleclaim because I think its agreed that roleclaiming is a bad idea, but Radfield (and LSB) are pushing for my claim. Not to mention he also suggests keeping the SK around to kill off mafia and soak up hits. And now for some reason he wants me (supposedly the SK) dead - probably cause the SK is a legit threat to scum now since he nailed Subversion successfully day 1 (gj to whoever the SK is btw)
I think he also suggested not to roleclaim yet now he's so interested in what my investigative results were for day 1. Kinda fishy imo. I am going to take the day 1 role check info to the grave - to avoid more people's roles revealed.
Night kill should go to LSB
I think its established that only LSB or chaoser can be the traitor
LSB pointed me out so quickly so its pretty obvious that he knew what I was. In fact its extremely likely that my role was figured out after the Hesmyrr/SR traitor fiasco, since by process of elimination Subversion could only have picked what I had picked.
I wouldn't be surprised if LSB is already recruited. Why?
If I were suspected as the traitor mafia would send someone to use an action on me to recruit me. Why instead did they use a kill? Because they KNEW I wasn't a traitor after the Hesmyrr lynch and I was actually a role cop from Subversion being vanilla. - Just figured this out.
Thus they must've used their actions on LSB to recruit him - and now that the focus has been to nab the SK he has fallen under the radar. In fact he should the #1 suspect of being scum.
So scum knew I was rolecop and could not have possibly been the traitor, and since I lived through the night he and scum all knew I either got protected or was the SK. But they didn't know what happened which is why in the posts a couple pages back LSB kept raising the fact that medics couldn't have protected me to paint me as the SK (but in fact I DID get protected as it has been raised in many people's plans to get medics to protect me).
Conclusions/summary:
1. After Hesmyrr lynch, scum knew I was role cop (and cannot possibly be traitor).
2. Thus the traitor is either 2 or 3, and by my posting analysis it is likely to be 3. LSB so mafia likely sent in actions to recruit him
3. Mafia failed to kill me, so I can only be SK or protected.
Okay I've been asked twice why I wanted zeks to roleclaim, and now I'll explain
First of all, after Bum posted his watch, the mafia already knows zeks role. This is because the mafia knows that they have 4 people. (later I make the connection that the mafia already knew his role from subversion going vanilla)
On the other hand, the town does not. If you claimed a defensive role, that wouldn't be a problem. Mafia isn't dumb enough to go after someone who is bulletproof (unless they control the roleblocker). And if you were a vet, it wouldn't matter anyways, cause you'd be green
On the other hand, if you claimed rolecop, we'd know you were the SK
Face it, you made a mistake when you said you were hit
4a. The SK currently is considered more of a threat to scum (from the amazing Subversion snipe) so since they think I'm the SK getting rid of me would reduce what they consider a threat.
b. If I'm not SK then they'd still get rid of a role cop - a strong pro town role in its own right.
I wanted to hold out of claiming in the beginning to bait these people out, and when I die today I think I've accomplished more than enough even though I'm the role cop.
That sounds like a SK claim.
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On August 29 2010 12:35 rastaban wrote:
##Vote Zeks
Nice catch on him being serial killer. The earlier he dies the more time we have to catch mafia.
Also, I haven't seen any votes yet for who I should hit tonight so Let me know what you all think.
Personally I think I should shoot SR, but only if Zeks doesn't flip traitor.
SR is the best bet, stick to the traitor removal plan. It is really tricky to lynch him during the day (cause he could be vengeful player)
If SR is actually vanilla town, we'll kill choaser tomorrow, and we get the traitor.
But what if zeks flips town? (I'll make a larger post if he is)
The only leak I can see is Bum. But we did make the assumption that their are 4 mafia.
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On August 29 2010 21:26 Radfield wrote:
Importantly, we still have a traitor around. Either Chaoser, LSB, or Southrawrea. I felt pretty certain that zeks was the traitor, but obviously that was not so. My next choice would be LSB. Why?
Mainly because LSB was so sure that zeks was the SK. He stated several times that he 'proved' zeks was the Serial Killer, when in fact he had done no such thing. I thought it far more likely that zeks was the traitor, and had been targeted by the mafia. But LSB never wavered from the idea that zeks was the SK, and really never even gave much of a chance for zeks to be the traitor. Perhaps LSB was just getting caught up in his own argument, or perhaps LSB is the traitor, and did actually KNOW that zeks had to be the SK. Add in that LSB is bragging up a storm about how he 'caught' zeks, makes me think that he is doing what he can to come off pro-town and use whatever credit he gets from the zeks lynch to avoid getting killed in the traitor hunt.
Combine that with the fact that if town, LSB has a completely useless role, PoD. So we need not fear losing a blue role.
Okay, do I really need to explain again why Zeks could not be the traitor?
My logic is impeccable. Subversion drafted role cop, but turned vanilla. Therefore Zeks is role cop. No if/then/or/buts. Zeks is the role cop. Zeks therefore is serial killer.
I was absolutely sure after 1) Zeks role claimed rolecop (dumb idea) 2) Zeks started acting like he was cornered.
I have no idea what you are trying to do radfield. You want to kill me because out of SR/Chaoser/Me I'm the only one who is actually isn't lurking/bandwagoning/disrupting the town?
Lastly if I was traitor, I'd be ashamed of myself. What kind of traitor immediately draws attention to himself?
That being said, chaoser could be the traitor, or Southrawrea could be fucking with us. Honestly, neither of these two players have posted a ton of useful content, so CVing either would be OK with me. Keep in mind two things though, if town, Chaoser actually has an extremely powerful role now. Imagine his list of 5. If one dies tonight, and he doesn't get the option to kill, then the other 4 players on the list are confirmed innocents. That is amazingly powerful, and worth keeping around in my opinion(at least for now). Second, Southrawrea being mafia and trying to fuck us around makes very little sense, but as people pointed out earlier, he could be vengeful player. If we are going to kill him, we'll want to do it with the CV, or the JOAT(or Bad Santa)
My proposal for tonight:
Compvig LSB
Bullet Bill(Fishball) check Southrawrea
Tracker follow Fishball
Medic protect Fishball
This is a horrible idea. BB checking SR will not do anything.
The problem with this strategy is that you are assuming that the mafia has already converted the traitor. Infact, the mafia would NOT want to want to convert the traitor, as the traitor essentially is a godfather.
Is SR is the traitor? SR has been giving off scummy vibes and has not done much besides jump on bandwagons. If we check him, he'll show up as town, and we proceed to kill me and Choaser. More Townies dead. SR does his job beautifully
What if SR is Red? That means there is no traitor at all. We're screwed once again.
Who should the Bullet Bill check then? He should check me.
As the Prince of darkness I will not have a weapon. Confirming my role
This will answer your question of whether or not I'm mafia.
As for your accusation of traitor. That should be solved once SR filps traitor/red. If not, we are left with Chaoser
Bullet Bill (Fishball) check Me (LSB)
Tracker follow Fishball
Martyr protect Fishball
Compvig Southrawrea
Why the Martyr? Because Fishball is the most powerful dt, barring the JOAT. But the Joat can only use his power once
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I'm pretty sure the JOAT investigated night one though.
If the JOAT hasn't, ~OpZ~ idea is pretty good.
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On August 30 2010 02:30 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 00:51 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 30 2010 00:40 LSB wrote:
I'm pretty sure the JOAT investigated night one though.
If the JOAT hasn't, ~OpZ~ idea is pretty good. I'm pretty sure he didn't. Yes the Joat should look at fishball  . Either you are the Joat opz, or the joat talked to you last night, in which case you are a defensive role. Fishball, now you should definitely reveal who you checked. LSB: you raise a good point. Bullet Bill checking SR does not necessarily do anything, as mafia may not have converted him yet. Your solution baffles me though. You say that instead of BBing SR, Fishball should check you. But everything that holds true for SR also holds true for you. If you are the traitor then you are not necessarily a mafia yet, same as SR. Chaoser hasn't talked in a long time though. I'd like to hear his thoughts.
I am not traitor first of all.
I am aware that people think I am a converted traitor (ie mafia) because I exposed Zeks as the SK. They think that my finding of zeks was because I was fed the information after I was converted. Once Fishball investigates me, I will be proven that I am not mafia.
So if you think I'm a converted traitor, this is an easy way to "catch me".
As for Chaoser... he's been lurking for a while... he's made his obligatory 1 post every 24 hours. If SR flips townie, I'm going after him for being traitor.
Yes I am aware that the BulletBill does not clear me of traitor suspicions. But that should be solved once SR filps traitor/red. If not, once Chaoser's dead, I'll be cleared
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On August 30 2010 02:55 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +
Okay, do I really need to explain again why Zeks could not be the traitor?
My logic is impeccable. Subversion drafted role cop, but turned vanilla. Therefore Zeks is role cop. No if/then/or/buts. Zeks is the role cop. Zeks therefore is serial killer.
I was absolutely sure after 1) Zeks role claimed rolecop (dumb idea) 2) Zeks started acting like he was cornered.
First: we had no idea what subversion drafted, he could have gone for CompVig for all we knew. Second: Even if zeks did claim role cop, it could have still been bs, since of course he has to claim either role cop or a defensive role. But yes, it was foolish for him to claim role cop, that was his real mistake. Third: Zeks acting cornered doesn't make him more likely to be either SK or traitor. He was in the spotlight the moment I asked for his roleclaim, and he messed it up from there. At no point was the possibility of zeks being traitor zero. In fact, up until his admission of SK, I still thought he might be traitor.
1. You know that sounds dumb. I had this conversation with SR and Pandian before.
Start here and read down http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141431¤tpage=48#951
2. You know that is dumb too. Why in the would would zeks fake claim role cop? We already told him. If you claim role cop, we're going to kill you.
The only reason why he claimed role cop was because he knew he had no other claim.
3. If he had a legitimate reason, he wouldn't have messed up.
Okay, so your basic premise is that I am a converted traitor right? (because there was no way I could know this)
BulletBill investigating me should take care of that.
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On August 30 2010 03:15 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 03:09 LSB wrote:On August 30 2010 02:55 Radfield wrote:
Okay, do I really need to explain again why Zeks could not be the traitor?
My logic is impeccable. Subversion drafted role cop, but turned vanilla. Therefore Zeks is role cop. No if/then/or/buts. Zeks is the role cop. Zeks therefore is serial killer.
I was absolutely sure after 1) Zeks role claimed rolecop (dumb idea) 2) Zeks started acting like he was cornered.
First: we had no idea what subversion drafted, he could have gone for CompVig for all we knew. Second: Even if zeks did claim role cop, it could have still been bs, since of course he has to claim either role cop or a defensive role. But yes, it was foolish for him to claim role cop, that was his real mistake. Third: Zeks acting cornered doesn't make him more likely to be either SK or traitor. He was in the spotlight the moment I asked for his roleclaim, and he messed it up from there. At no point was the possibility of zeks being traitor zero. In fact, up until his admission of SK, I still thought he might be traitor. 1. You know that sounds dumb. I had this conversation with SR and Pandian before. Start here and read down http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141431¤tpage=48#951. Yeah, and you didn't ever respond to my post. :/ I'll post it here if you want to explain why you knew/guessed logicaly. Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 06:50 Pandain wrote:On August 29 2010 06:45 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 06:33 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 29 2010 06:20 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 06:15 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Zeks, you're in a bad position. There is one way to prove you're role cop and tell us Fishball's role...That would be the only way I see you living. Which even then...It's kind of slim. As I've said, Role Cop isn't exactly the most powerful role in the world, in my mind.
Anyway, I see some problems with everything, and you can't be town aligned. We know he's rolecop, I was the one to prove it. The problem is if he is town aligned. Zeks, if you are town aligned, please do not disclose Fishball's Role. Fishball could be thinking of a strategy, and it is always bad for Mafia to know more blue roles than necessary. How did you prove it? You picked before him. This hinges on Subversion of picking RoleCop, not PoD/BadSanta/CompVig...If one of those roles picked traitor, then he he could of picked any of those, albeit be wrong. On August 29 2010 04:52 LSB wrote:
Here's what I think. It seems so Obvious, I'm facepalming myself for not noticing it.
Subversion Picked Rolecop. I am 100% certain, he is mafia, Rolecop is THE town role here.
We should have already figured that out
This is confirmed because Zeks claims that he has a role that the mafia wants dead.
But was blocked, so mafia knows that Zeks is Rolecop
Mafia tries to kill Zeks
But! Zeks is actually Serial Killer. So it doesn't work!!
Zeks CANNOT claim, because we know that a doctor couldn't have protected him.
##VOTE: Zeks Because he is Serial Killer.
Note, SK will not work for us, he is decidedly anti town Actually, while I'm going to believe you unless a doctor claims he protected Zeks, your whole "proof" relies on that Subversion picked rolecop. Given only 20 minutes to pick, its not unlikely mafia was unprepared for a replacement/was not on on that time. I wouldn't be surprised if subversion, trying to find a good mafia role and unaware of the plan(correct?), picked either CV(duh) Prince of darkness(good mafia role) or even bad santa(at the very list interesting/grants KP) But again, I'm going to vote for zeks because 1.He claimed rolecop 2.He won't explain that quote 3. A doctor hasn't said he protected him. I'll wait till probably ~7 tommorow just to give time for a doctor to claim, but until then my mind's set on voting Zeks. Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 03:09 LSB wrote:
3. If he had a legitimate reason, he wouldn't have messed up.
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I've actually responded to your post in a way, you asked the same questions as SR
1. He lies
On August 29 2010 06:47 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 06:46 SouthRawrea wrote:On August 29 2010 06:44 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 06:32 SouthRawrea wrote:
TL;DR Subversion picked without thinking, probably didn't pick rolecop. Doesn't clear Zeks. On August 29 2010 05:08 LSB wrote:
Subversion is Mafia, the mafia would probably PM him, telling him to take Rolecop. Their not going to let some random dude go "LOL! I don't care about this game".
So that means the Rolecop is above Subversion
LSB he had 20 minutes to pick. Read the entire post. He said he picked without a plan. Oh of course that explains everything! </sarcasm> Dude, he's mafia. Mafia lies
2. He had 2 hours
On August 29 2010 06:59 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 06:53 SouthRawrea wrote:On August 29 2010 06:47 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 06:46 SouthRawrea wrote:On August 29 2010 06:44 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 06:32 SouthRawrea wrote:
TL;DR Subversion picked without thinking, probably didn't pick rolecop. Doesn't clear Zeks. On August 29 2010 05:08 LSB wrote:
Subversion is Mafia, the mafia would probably PM him, telling him to take Rolecop. Their not going to let some random dude go "LOL! I don't care about this game".
So that means the Rolecop is above Subversion
LSB he had 20 minutes to pick. Read the entire post. He said he picked without a plan. Oh of course that explains everything! </sarcasm> Dude, he's mafia. Mafia lies Dude even if he had all the time since he joined he had 2 hours. He was a last minute replacement. He didn't even think he would be able to join until Ace gave him the thumbs up right before day 1. To give you perspective on how much can happen in 2 hours. 2 hours ago, I figured out that Zeks was Rolecop SK
3. How hard is it for Mr. Godfather to PM Sub and say "Yo! Scumbuddy! Go pick rolecop!"? Mr. Godfather can defiantly do that in 2 hours.
Never doubt the power of human stupidity to ruin the best laid plans.
For proof: See my reading fail at a first grade level last game when I was ninja.
Never underestimate someone
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