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Alright, so instead of a big pre-dawn post I'll try to make this quick. [EDIT: Still turned out long even though I left out a bunch of quotes]
Bill Murray and Foolishness are the two obvious reds to me. They were best buddies, I pointed out Foolishness chainsaw defending BM twice, and all of a sudden they are bluffing against each other. Simple enough. If BM flips red and you don't take out Foolishness, fuck you town, you deserve the loss and more.
Need a recap?
BM begged for all blues to claim to him
BM kept pushing for plans involving blues claiming to town before anything confirmed goes down.
BM was fishing for Pandain's role in PM.
Foolishness isn't playing his town or blue style at all.
He was furiously defending BM right at the start of the game, despite BM's style being about the exact opposite of what Foolishness usually likes to see when playing as town.
BM was too busy pushing his sketchy plans to do any scumhunting day 1. He claimed Divinek was mafia, then backed off, voted for love1another and didn't make any hard push for anyone else. As soon as day breaks, he attempts to rewrite history by saying he was pushing for Foolishness's lynch but no one would listen. Watch him fail to seriously go after Foolishness on Day 2 and respond accordingly. If Foolishness gets lynched and flips red before Bill Murray, DO NOT trust BM regardless of what part he played in killing Foolishness.
If Foolishness and BM flip innocent feel free to bash on me and I'm sorry.
So if BM flips red and then Foolishness flips red, who to look at next then?
Hesmyrr: laid low, came out and put a FoS on BM while voting to save BM. I know Foolishness told the hatter to put a bomb on Hesmyrr; ignore this. Low risk of hatter following that, Foolishness didn't give a reason why, even if a hatter did that the hatter might not die for a while so it could keep him alive longer. Really, the post didn't seem to have any real intended effect, just the surface effect of putting the two players at odds - kinda like BM's quick FoS on Hesmyrr and some other player.
BrownBear: BM's first post subtly defended BB. He tried to help BM shoot down LSB's plan by pointing out small technicalities when BM's plan is nothing but one big huge liability. BM points out that a BB post is scummy as fuck and prompty goes no where with this line of reasoning. Posts about the same time as Foolishness during the time BM starts to get saved in the voting thread.
Foolishness says "What if BM doesn't get lynched (for whatever reason)?
BrownBear says "Are we really lynching BM day 1?"
Neither care to engage the argument on merits. BB and Foolishness both seem to be awfully focused on what happens to BM - I am too, but it's because he's scummy. No one should be so trust worthy of other players so early that they are willing to defend them so much; that's why it's weird that BM uses his first post to say that the mafia probably haven't posted yet.
Also, he PM'd me to say he is suspicious of BM but doesn't want to vote for him, which echoes Hesmyrr.
LSB: He was the first person I suspected; I don't suspect him anymore, though. BM's first post seemed to defend either him, or BB, or maybe both. I thought it was odd that he said that killing and inactive usually hurts town but argued for it anyway. He also posted from the perspective of mafia saying something "doesn't seem like a plan the mafia would fall for".
I like his plan, though. I don't think mafia would propose competing plans. If they did, it would be to confuse people so no plan happens but LSB has been really key in organizing and PMing so people can get on the same page. If the plan falls apart and backfires and some loophole gets revealed, take a look at him, but I think he's okay now.
bumatlarge was on my list for helping with the divinek thing but I'm not too on to him anymore. So my list is actually down to four - big dissapointment, I know.
I love the posts from Chezinu and his clone. Unfortunately they are very anti-town so you'll have to figure that out with DT or Ninja checks or lynches.
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I want to mention that with exception of RoTK Mafia, my play style (if you can call it that) has been consistently to make post with content and avoid meaningless fluff posts - resulting in low activity rate. I like how you assume that at least three mafia would come out of woodworks to rescue BM, who in that junction is widely criticized and whose negative flip, should that be true, will put massive suspicion on his defenders.
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On August 09 2010 09:34 Hesmyrr wrote:
I want to mention that with exception of RoTK Mafia, my play style (if you can call it that) has been consistently to make post with content and avoid meaningless fluff posts - resulting in low activity rate.
Well my argument really is maybe .05% about inactivity but thanks for the strawperson anyway.
On August 09 2010 09:34 Hesmyrr wrote:
I like how you assume that at least three mafia would come out of woodworks to rescue BM, who in that junction is widely criticized and whose negative flip, should that be true, will put massive suspicion on his defenders.
Foolishness defended BM when he was under light criticism and but stopped when I pointed out his double chainsaw defense in favor of BM.
I like how you mangle my argument into "at least three mafia would come out of the woodworks to rescue BM" when actually I pointed out how both you and BrownBear attacked Bill Murray with your words while, under further scrutiny, defending him with your actions.
You have nothing to worry about, though, if I am wrong about the first two, so don't get to worried.
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I think BM defending can seem scummy in a certain light, but honestly I dont think he is scum from what Ive seen. His posts are fluffy, but I think he would be a bit more careful if he was red. Ill try to gather some things on him if im alive after the night. Hopefully im on the lesser end of the KP spectrum 
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Post. I'm getting on an airplane back to the USA! :D Oh wait, I'm dead. You guys suck. Bye <3
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I would like to say; this plan has potential. I have looked at it this way and that, and have found it logically sound. The few flaws seen in it are in the power of the specific people the plan encompass' .
Excellent work, to those who thought of the plan.
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
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TL Mafia XXX: Day 2 Start
This is flamewheel, and by the time you find this message I will be talking to you from beyond the grave. Events have been set in motion that cannot be undone, and if you are reading this message then this should be mere recap for you, the survivor of the apocalypse. Or perhaps you have come from somewhere... beyond. Earth? Is it Earth? I miss the home world so...
Anyway, after the slight setback the team encountered the past day, we were ready this time. The targets had been decided upon beforehand, and the plan was set in place.
If my calculations are correct, there should have been two deaths last night. My people have been trained well enough, and disregarding any unforseen actions, Chaoser the Nosy Neighbor and LSB the Townie will have been killed.
When I can find a place to rest my head, more to come later. flamewheel out.
Chaoser the Nosy Neighbor is now dead.
LSB the Townie is now dead.
It is now Day 2, and will be so for the next 48 hours until Wednesday, Aug 11 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00).
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
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On August 09 2010 11:05 Foolishness wrote:
I took a hit last night
sweet. This should be interesting.
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Got this from LSB last night:
Okay, I am sending this to you in case I die. You are not the only person I am sending this to.
All I ask is that if I die, can you post this message? Think of it as my will. I will reveal this tomorrow. I played along with Foolishness because I need to survive.
If I do not die, just don't do anything with this, Please. I'll whip it out Day 2 if my plan went well.
I also suspect Divenk/Misder are mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/v..._id=139517¤tpage=11#202, read below he sounds fake.
If your mafia, we'll w/e I'd probably be wrong about Foolishness
Message below Foolishness sounds scummy
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yessir.
Here's what we can do first. Get a list together of everyone that's commented on your plan. We want to find people who have pointed out minor flaws in your plan without saying much else (most likely mafia). People who actively criticize your plan are probably town (they don't want the town to enact some stupid plan), and people who try to improve your plan are probably town as well. If someone makes a moot post pointing out a flaw or passively agreeing to it, they are top suspect.
Obviously it's night time and not a lot of people are around so we're not going to have a lot of data, but it'll be a start.
Let me know what you find. We'll then figure out someone for you to start PMing with.
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Original Message:
Sure, I'll help you
Of course, you're going along with the plan right?
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Original Message:
Hello, I am Foolishness
I am asking you to help me in finding the mafia among the lurkers.
I have sent this PM to you because I think you can help me out. It is crucial for us, as the town, to use PMing to our advantage to weed out the mafia members.
Although no plan is foolproof, I ask if you are willing to PM other players in order to get them to slip up. There are some people that would act differently if I were to PM them, since I am apparently a figurehead for this game. There's also a limit to the amount of people I am able to keep track of through PMs (and right now it's a lot). The benefits are great, and as long as you run things by me the risks are small.
I look forward to hearing from you
Foolishness
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Original Message:
Hello, I am LSB.
I am asking you to follow this plan for night one http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/v..._id=139517¤tpage=43#845
I have sent this PM to everyone playing Mafia XXX. In order for us to succeed, we need to work together.
Although no plan is foolproof, I ask that you go though and review it. We could not find any way that the mafia could slip and disrupt it. I believe the plan speaks for itself. The benifts are great, and the risks are small
Feel free to PM me if you have any questions
LSB
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aww why would he suspect me for such a silly thing as first minute joke votes
i totally explained why that happened
though i do believe the misder thing as he's still being an inactive bastard
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On August 09 2010 11:05 Foolishness wrote:
I took a hit last night
So I guess instant analysis is:
1. Mafia, lying.
2. Vet
3. Medic didn't follow plan
4. Ninja
5. Bus Driver didn't follow plan, redirected Medic onto you.
6. Mafia got hit by vigi that is suspicious of how different Foolishness is acting this game, somehow got protted (see 4 or 5)
Yep, I don't know much. All these blues make it harder for town to figure shit out lol.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Man I hope the 8 other people who are helping me don't think I'm scummy
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On August 09 2010 11:16 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:So I guess instant analysis is: 1. Mafia, lying. 2. Vet 3. Medic didn't follow plan 4. Ninja 5. Bus Driver didn't follow plan, redirected Medic onto you. 6. Mafia got hit by vigi that is suspicious of how different Foolishness is acting this game, somehow got protted (see 4 or 5) Yep, I don't know much. All these blues make it harder for town to figure shit out lol.
Okay now why don't you pick the most likely choice out of that list.
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oh right it's day now
fuck you chez, contribute please
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
About the day post: This is positive. There's a missing kill there (Foolishness(?)), and a wandering townie died, which is actually somewhat fortunate. All blue roles intact, and the plan intact too. Mafia probably killed LSB because he was being really effective. Problem is, mafia suck at killing blues. If nobody screws up in pm land, (hello last game) we're set.
But about this hit, I'm positive Foolishness is telling the truth. He always gets hit night one, but flamewheel probably took pity or something, and made him a vet. Or a medic saved him, but that means our plan is screwed, and we wasted a day on this.
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Ok, so in addition to all of the crap currently going on, I was roleblocked last night.
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On August 09 2010 11:19 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 11:16 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 09 2010 11:05 Foolishness wrote:
I took a hit last night So I guess instant analysis is: 1. Mafia, lying. 2. Vet 3. Medic didn't follow plan 4. Ninja 5. Bus Driver didn't follow plan, redirected Medic onto you. 6. Mafia got hit by vigi that is suspicious of how different Foolishness is acting this game, somehow got protted (see 4 or 5) Yep, I don't know much. All these blues make it harder for town to figure shit out lol. Okay now why don't you pick the most likely choice out of that list.
imo... 1. Mafia (since you are so scummy), then 4. Ninja (pming 8 people asking them to do things they could do in the thread - seems like blue fishing but could be enemy ninja fishing, mayyybe the scummy anti-town play is to keep the mafia of your tail since you are usually a huge threat to them), then 2. Veteran (maybe you are playing so different to appear like ninja/blue to soak up a hit - this makes little sense though because you usually get hit day 1 while playing pro-town).
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in a plan where we need so many ppl to cooperate not surprising someone would deviate
but ninja seems likely.
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On August 09 2010 11:23 tree.hugger wrote:
About the day post: This is positive. There's a missing kill there (Foolishness(?)), and a wandering townie died, which is actually somewhat fortunate. All blue roles intact, and the plan intact too. Mafia probably killed LSB because he was being really effective. Problem is, mafia suck at killing blues. If nobody screws up in pm land, (hello last game) we're set.
But about this hit, I'm positive Foolishness is telling the truth. He always gets hit night one, but flamewheel probably took pity or something, and made him a vet. Or a medic saved him, but that means our plan is screwed, and we wasted a day on this.
This seems important. Foolishness, can you clarify whether you are a vet or were medic protected?
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