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zeks
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada1068 Posts
August 08 2010 16:54 GMT
#841
yeah seriously lol....was entertaining in the beginning but...
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
August 08 2010 17:01 GMT
#842
On August 08 2010 14:18 DarthThienAn wrote:
Hi guys. At an airport, etc. Be home in like 12 hours. May or may not sleep when I get home.

Boarding in 10 minutes. But ummm... I missed out on the last 20 pages. But I feel like I'm going to die tonight . So someone should protect me ^_^.

Don't worry broski I got ya covered
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
August 08 2010 17:07 GMT
#843
On August 09 2010 00:04 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2010 15:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Chezinu is awesome.


but enough about that, how is this watcher plan going to go through, LSB's way?

I wouldn't recommend it. My plan relys on complete town cohesion. Every single blue role must participate, or else it fails.

The problem is, people have been accusing each other distracting from forming a plan. Certainly someone in there is doing this deliberatively, in order for us to win, we have to work together and random accusations distracts us.

Just proceed as normal. I'll try to push my plan tomorrow


People aren't gonna behave any differently come tomorrow if past games are any indication. I think if we just agree on a way to RNG pick a person and push the plan through, most everyone will cooperate.

The problem is though that every blue can't participate (for example, vigi, bus driver, mad hatter probably don't want to visit the Target), unless you meant every blue besides those roles? And really if you're dead set on doing the plan you're gonna run the risk of a rogue or inactive blue no matter what so you'd have to proceed in spite of those risks.
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 08 2010 18:10 GMT
#844
Hold off on your blue actions as of right now, I think I may be able to help get this plan off the ground.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
August 08 2010 18:26 GMT
#845
As for a random number, I got 10, XeliN.

Here are the instructions for the plan
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 07 2010 23:17 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 12:40 Divinek wrote:
On August 07 2010 12:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Current Version of LSB Plan
We pick a THIS GUY.
All watchers watch him. All detectives check him. All medics prot him. All trackers track him.
Bus drivers and vigis stay away. Hatters probably stay away, too.
If a blue's action went through (no waxing) they will expect a PM from a watcher.
If no PMs are sent, there is no watcher or watcher was waxed.
If a blue gets one PM, then that is the real watcher unless the unlikely event of the watcher being waxed (mafia can possibly claim waxed watcher).
If a green gets a PM they can come forward - they are nosy neighbor or mafia is faking. If no greens come forward we are probably doing good.
If a blue that didn't act on THIS GUY gets a PM, we have a surefire mafia.
If no one steps forward seeing shenanigans for say, 24 hours. We can have watcher step forward - no one else comes forward we can protect them with bus. If more than one step forward, a blue can use pm evidence to out them if they are fake, maybe a DT can use a mouth they've confirmed (look for mafia to use an innocent as a mouth here, or maybe a mafia as a mouth like rastaban/sr last game).


but how do we set up a real circle when the role blocker gets in there

Okay, I will make an extreamly extended version of my plan

PROBLEMS: The watcher has to be smart. If the watcher is dumb/inactive, the plan fails
Day 1 We agree to this plan :D
Night one
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 12:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Current Version of LSB Plan
We pick a THIS GUY.
All watchers watch him. All detectives check him. All medics prot him. All trackers track him.
Bus drivers and vigis stay away. Hatters probably stay away, too.


Day 2:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 12:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
If a blue's action went through (no waxing) they will expect a PM from a watcher.
If no PMs are sent, there is no watcher or watcher was waxed.
If a blue gets one PM, then that is the real watcher unless the unlikely event of the watcher being waxed (mafia can possibly claim waxed watcher).
If a green gets a PM they can come forward - they are nosy neighbor or mafia is faking. If no greens come forward we are probably doing good.
If a blue that didn't act on THIS GUY gets a PM, we have a surefire mafia.
If no one steps forward seeing shenanigans for say, 24 hours. We can have watcher step forward - no one else comes forward we can protect them with bus. If more than one step forward, a blue can use pm evidence to out them if they are fake, maybe a DT can use a mouth they've confirmed (look for mafia to use an innocent as a mouth here, or maybe a mafia as a mouth like rastaban/sr last game).


So basically, Day2 is there to get the watcher confirmed. The watcher then STEPS FORWARD, we'll have to sort though everything.

Anyone messing with the plan, should be spotted and killed.


Night 2
Bus Driver protects Watcher.
If there is only one DT claim, Watcher orders Medics to protect DT. (iffy, but I don't think there is only going to be one DT claim)

The Watcher will now control detective/trackers action.
Watcher randomly assigns detectives to check up on people. Watcher has a list of what they should be, and the detective needs to match the list. Watcher does the same thing with trackers
A few notes.
*If a framer frames someone, they will show as regular red, not red special. So the Watcher should send the DT to people who claimed a blue role that can visit people

We work from here, but the circle could gradually confirm each other. Takes a bunch of logic though




Here's a breakdown by individual roles
Conan the Not-So-Barbaric (Detective): Role check XeliN

Active Stalker (Tracker): Stalk XeliN

Lazy Stalker (Watcher): Watch XeliN

Boy Scout (Medic): Protect XeliN

Wannabe Batman (Vigilante): Do not target Xelin

Mad Nutter (Mad Hatter): Do not target Xelin

Bus Driver (Bus Driver): Do not target Xelin

Disillusioned Teachers' Brigade (Mafia): PM Me and I'll give you super secrete instructions ;P!

Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
August 08 2010 18:32 GMT
#846
Why you should follow the plan: In order to win, the we have to work together. We already are at an disadvantage, Iaaan got modkilled, and we lynched a townie.

What this will do is allow us to get a rolecall done, and allow us to start setting up a circle of confirmed blue roles protecting each other, letting us use our abilities the best way possible.

The mafia wants to cause disorder, and if we let them succeed, we won't get anything done.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 08 2010 18:37 GMT
#847
Ok agreed, do that^
Together but separate, like oatmeal
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
August 08 2010 18:54 GMT
#848
I feel so exceptionally honoured, I do not quite understand your plan though, does this not mean all of our abilities are wasyed on one person, and is the aim of this plan simply to verify someone as town aligned?

I mean i'd love to be verified but I can't help feeling that this might be abit of a waste and telling mafia what were doing early.
Adonai bless
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
August 08 2010 19:11 GMT
#849
On August 09 2010 03:54 XeliN wrote:
I feel so exceptionally honoured, I do not quite understand your plan though, does this not mean all of our abilities are wasyed on one person, and is the aim of this plan simply to verify someone as town aligned?

I mean i'd love to be verified but I can't help feeling that this might be abit of a waste and telling mafia what were doing early.


It's night one. If you want to do a terribly convuluted plan it's better on this day than any other. Night 1 you can afford to do things like this...in the later stages of the game you can't

This plan is probably one of the better ones ive seen I just hate telling the Mafia exactly what we're doing. We get a confirmed town role and they might just stack KP and kill said confirmed.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
August 08 2010 19:23 GMT
#850
I think it's an excellent plan, but the problem is that it's out in the open. Are we really 100% sure that it's foolproof? If there is a hole in it, we have to assume mafia are smart enough to find it (assuming anything else is bad play), and thus we can't do it.

I really really want it to succeed, but I'm trying to be realistic/play devil's advocate a bit here.
SUNSFANNED
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 08 2010 19:23 GMT
#851
they cant kill him because he's being watched/tracked tonight

and after tonight the bus driver can just bus him
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
August 08 2010 19:30 GMT
#852
On August 09 2010 04:23 Divinek wrote:
they cant kill him because he's being watched/tracked tonight

and after tonight the bus driver can just bus him


Are we certain there isn't some sort of hole in this plan now that it's completely out in the open?
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 08 2010 19:46 GMT
#853
On August 09 2010 04:30 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 04:23 Divinek wrote:
they cant kill him because he's being watched/tracked tonight

and after tonight the bus driver can just bus him


Are we certain there isn't some sort of hole in this plan now that it's completely out in the open?


if we cant think of one why can they, it's not like there's magic involved here

if you try your hardest and dont see anything how can that not be good enough for you
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
SouthRawrea
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada608 Posts
August 08 2010 19:46 GMT
#854
Very nice. Just logged on and got a PM from LSB alerting me of this plan. The only possible hole in the plan is if Xelin is one of those roles lol. Also.. where are my super secret instructions?
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
August 08 2010 19:57 GMT
#855
On August 09 2010 04:23 BrownBear wrote:
I think it's an excellent plan, but the problem is that it's out in the open. Are we really 100% sure that it's foolproof? If there is a hole in it, we have to assume mafia are smart enough to find it (assuming anything else is bad play), and thus we can't do it.

I really really want it to succeed, but I'm trying to be realistic/play devil's advocate a bit here.


The hole is that everyone else is a target lol
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 08 2010 20:04 GMT
#856
I do like LSB's plan because I don't think it risks too much. The biggest drawback is that the medic will be distracted so that the Mafia can avoid wasting hits. Also, it could be implemented unsafely, but there is less risk of this here than with Pandain's plan, and infinity less risk of this than with BM's ploy.
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
August 08 2010 20:23 GMT
#857
On August 09 2010 04:46 Divinek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 04:30 Jayme wrote:
On August 09 2010 04:23 Divinek wrote:
they cant kill him because he's being watched/tracked tonight

and after tonight the bus driver can just bus him


Are we certain there isn't some sort of hole in this plan now that it's completely out in the open?


if we cant think of one why can they, it's not like there's magic involved here

if you try your hardest and dont see anything how can that not be good enough for you


Just because I can't personally find one doesn't mean there isn't one.

I am always wary of complicated plans that have to be put out into the complete open. Leaves room for manipulation and it also concentrates our blues in pretty much one or two locations.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
August 08 2010 20:23 GMT
#858
Oh btw one other flaw i've seen in the plan, although thankfully I can personally know this won't matter this game, but if I *was* mafia, wouldn't ot have been better to post this plan in the day stage because mafia could have simply made me G/F?

Like i say thankfully such is irrelevant this game, although only I can know that, but you should be careful in future
Adonai bless
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 08 2010 20:31 GMT
#859
On August 09 2010 05:23 XeliN wrote:
Oh btw one other flaw i've seen in the plan, although thankfully I can personally know this won't matter this game, but if I *was* mafia, wouldn't ot have been better to post this plan in the day stage because mafia could have simply made me G/F?

Like i say thankfully such is irrelevant this game, although only I can know that, but you should be careful in future


the whole point of this was to avoid you being gf because he cant be tracked
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
August 08 2010 20:33 GMT
#860
This is a great plan, I think you've refined it since my initial reading of it. Or maybe I just got it wrong. But I can't think of anything that would address BB's concern of a problem in the plan that we haven't thought about. We've got a confirmed blue to build a town circle with, and the BD will protect them indefinitely.

Hopefully the watcher doesn't suck.
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