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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On August 09 2010 00:42 Chezinu wrote: Well, I can't seem to locate the signal at the moment... I really need some rest, I guess I'll try again once I get some sleep. Maybe with my fresh mind I can get the work done. ***Falls a sleep and starts dreaming*** + Show Spoiler + You find yourself on someone's ship.. it seems kind of odd... you feel a bit dazy, yet your totally relaxed. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://a.imageshack.us/img576/1095/artroom.jpg) The man speaks + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://a.imageshack.us/img708/9285/artroomwelcomecopy.jpg) Right after the man opens his mouth, something in you starts to manifest you.. You start seeing things differently.. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://a.imageshack.us/img696/5125/artroomorly.jpg) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://a.imageshack.us/img230/792/artroomyarly.jpg) + Show Spoiler + You laugh... You laugh madly out of control and before you know it... thoughts and conclusions start entering your head.. + Show Spoiler + Why would someone be so arrogant to post an enormous painting of himself in his Art room. What? Who has an "art room"? Why isn't he like everyone else and just go to a public art gallery? Who even goes to art galleries? Wait.. why does he want me too look at his paintings? Why is his other hand behind his back? He has a weapon! He is trying to distract me! He wants me dead! I must stop him first! You use the brown flag. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://a.imageshack.us/img230/7379/artroomuseflag.jpg) You take badge + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://a.imageshack.us/img571/3854/mightymitebadge.jpg) You also take the guy's weapon. But you decided not to look at it closely. Instead you decide to admire some paintings. Then... You take space Painting + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://a.imageshack.us/img411/8658/xxxpicute.jpg) You take the fireball, lighting painting + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://a.imageshack.us/img826/1147/flamewheelshootinglight.jpg) You look around the room + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://a.imageshack.us/img72/6706/artroomlooted.jpg) Before you leave, something has to be done... You just feel it... You go with your instincts + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://a.imageshack.us/img217/5538/artroomlooted2.jpg) You leave the room + Show Spoiler + Everything just fades away, like it was a dream.. what's the significance in taking the little lines out from under the painting that wasn't taken? | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On August 09 2010 05:48 BrownBear wrote: I've been thinking about it, trying to find a hole in it for the last hour or so, and so far I find it foolproof. Doesn't mean there isn't a hole, just means I haven't found one I'm alright with it. Let's do it! I can think of a couple flaws. Mafia claims Watcher, which is which? Roles already sent their PMs in We have random townies showing up We have more than 1 Watcher We have more than 1 Tracker,DT, Medic Target gets framed so we lynch xelin and we don't know which blue we can't trust. This is why a simple version is better | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On August 09 2010 06:02 rastaban wrote: I can think of a couple flaws. Mafia claims Watcher, which is which? Roles already sent their PMs in We have random townies showing up We have more than 1 Watcher We have more than 1 Tracker,DT, Medic Target gets framed so we lynch xelin and we don't know which blue we can't trust. This is why a simple version is better 1. Watcher will know all the roles that acted, if a green gets a PM saying he acted well... and if a blue acted and didnt get a PM, the watcher is either being safe or some other problem like roleblock or mental issues. A mafia isnt going to start PMing people. 2. Anyone who actually reads the thread will not send a PM yet, and if they did, they would only screw everything up anyway. 3. What? 4. The more the merrier, how is this a bad thing, a watcher PMs a watcher, vice versa and they should realize that they are both watchers. Other wise they stay silent until a safer form of communication is available (Someone claims and they can prove it) If there information matches up, we can be pretty safe in assuming this isnt a problem. 5. The watcher doesnt have to say anything if he gets 20 people visiting one person. He can be pretty satisified with more blues. If there are less then 4 visitors, either mafia missed their boat, or we have a severe blue handicap. 6. I think we can assume this is going to happen, and if it doesnt, oh well. Xelin isnt the crucial part, its that the watcher gets information we can use, he just needs to figure out a way to get it to us. The only thing I see beneficial in not doing this, is getting lucky with blue actions on night 1, as in DT checking a red, medic saving someone, or some other stuff. It doesnt really hurt us that a watcher who knows he is town, and the only issue would be mafia getting a hold of that info. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
@ LSB: also, assume we only have 1 watcher, what if they die? what if they are inactive, and haven't see the plan? what is the plan's take on the watcher claiming? | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On August 09 2010 06:16 Hesmyrr wrote: Well, mafia may interrupt the plan but it definitely seems like it'll give us more information about scum; they are forced to fakeclaim or either get crushed by new town circle. Even if there are more than one blue roles, there really cannot be more than two. Just start verifying people's claims - it really shouldn't be that hard to do - and town has this fixed unless somebody starts acting stupid. If we got a hatter out there, you gotta get a bomb on this brodooski. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
@Foolishness: are you referring to hesmyrr? | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On August 09 2010 06:23 Bill Murray wrote: all i'm saying is that xelin might be innocent, even if he comes up red, depending on how many people the watcher saw visit him in the night. @ LSB: also, assume we only have 1 watcher, what if they die? what if they are inactive, and haven't see the plan? what is the plan's take on the watcher claiming? This actually brings up a good point. This plan hinges on one person surviving the night, as well as being active enough to notice the plan and agree to it. It's highly likely he'll survive the night. If he's not paying attention, though... at best the plan is useless, at worst mafia can turn it against us somehow. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On August 09 2010 06:23 Bill Murray wrote: all i'm saying is that xelin might be innocent, even if he comes up red, depending on how many people the watcher saw visit him in the night. @ LSB: also, assume we only have 1 watcher, what if they die? what if they are inactive, and haven't see the plan? what is the plan's take on the watcher claiming? Okay, yeah, it hinges on the watcher. I've tried my best to get this flaw fixed as best I've can. I've layed out the plan, I've PMed everyone so the watcher should be alerted of the plan. The purpose of the plan is to have the watcher claim, and therefore we have a confirmed townie We're going to protect the watcher after he claiming by busdrivering the watcher with someone random. That way the watcher can't be targeted by the mafia. Another glitch with the plan would be if XeliN is the only watcher. But looks like from his posts he is not rastaban, I'm assuming your questions are answered? It sounds like you misunderstood the plan. The purpose would be that it would be impossible for the mafia to guess every person who visited XeliN. And even if they did, we'll we'd be screwed anyways. | ||
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On August 09 2010 06:23 Bill Murray wrote: all i'm saying is that xelin might be innocent, even if he comes up red, depending on how many people the watcher saw visit him in the night. I think it's pretty much a given that mafia will frame Xelin, in order to mess with the blue count and make it so Xelin is not confirmed. If Xelin comes up anything other than red he's gotta be the GF, is how i'm seeing it. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On August 09 2010 06:55 BrownBear wrote: This actually brings up a good point. This plan hinges on one person surviving the night, as well as being active enough to notice the plan and agree to it. It's highly likely he'll survive the night. If he's not paying attention, though... at best the plan is useless, at worst mafia can turn it against us somehow. People just have to not be stupid and claim too early until things are confirmed. Maybe that is asking too much, though. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On August 09 2010 07:15 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: People just have to not be stupid and claim too early until things are confirmed. Maybe that is asking too much, though. Yeah i think any plan has to have a built in resiliency to town stupidity. Of course here we face the obstacles of people being too open in PM Land or an inactive watcher. The former is obviously more dangerous. Say the plan goes through, i think this is the scenario we face: Watcher gets a list of names. At least one of these names is mafia (framer, roleblocker). The rest are blues. Now maybe the mafia take a gambit and decide not to visit Xelin at all under the pretense that we assume they actually did visit him. And that could fuck with us. But I think framer will visit Xelin for sure in order to make it so the DT doesn't know Xelins role. | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
am i thinking about this the right way? i can't be sure | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
but it's a pretty wifom line of reasoning | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
i guess at this point it's kinda useless to further speculate and we have to wait and see what happens. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On August 09 2010 07:47 XeliN wrote: Could someone PM my role or what I'm expected of in this plan? I'm slightly confused although only skim read posts in between HoN games so far. Done | ||
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