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http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Roles | ||
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If not, vote divine and bouncearoo. | ||
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On August 09 2010 05:01 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: lol bouncearoo. I like that word. I hope it is some secret trigger word Hesmyrr attached to your role. I wish, then I wouldnt have this penalty. I seriously hope there is no mafia role that forces someone to use their role, because that would we really hurt us. Oh also, if a town has that kinda role, DO NOT USE IT ON ME. In fact if you have a role that prevents someone from using theirs, use that on me... Seriously im considering just saying it out loud. | ||
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On August 09 2010 04:23 Jayme wrote: How is it that BM was able to turn the thread into a minor shitfest after only a few hours of the game starting. If it was any other person id believe he has a penalty where he can just vote but given his track record he could very well just be messing with everybody. I'd like to hear Ace's plan though. Um, wow, I think its pretty clear his penalty is the problem here, not him. FoS on you for something that he cant help. Saw BC do this before, not cool man, not cool. | ||
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On August 09 2010 06:42 chaoser wrote: then say it out loud -_- I will if more then 5 people ask me too. If it wasnt for the Ace/BM thing, I would for sure. | ||
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I.E. if i used it right now, town population would be 9 and mafia count would be 4. Im assuming that, if all the mafia are lynched out, then town wins regardless. There are no PMs allowed, so I cant accept mass roleclaim, so I dont really see a reason for me to use it anyway. ##Vote Bill Murray | ||
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On August 09 2010 10:09 Ace wrote: [/b][/b]oh dear :/. A random person or random townie?. Check the wording very carefully. If it's a random person that's pretty terrible. If it's a random townie that sucks also but we can have possibly have a confirmed townie. Penalties: Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1 zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power @bumatlarge: Does the PM tell you how the population works? Like do mafia basically get a townie recruited into their ranks or is it some other way it works? No, town victory is still my win condition, and for all intents and purposes I have to want town to win. They basically get another mafia who cant die until they do. | ||
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Koryyyyynnneeeee. maaaaaffiiaaaaaaa. KOOOOORRYYYYYYYNEEEEEEEEE! GODFAATHAAAAA!  If pyrr isnt scum, then its safe to gun forace I assume. I mean Ace is making it seem that pyrr is mafia for sure, id doubt hed push so hard unless he was lying or truly believed it. If he denies it, then im not going to push pyrr for him if hes not going to accept the consequences of pushing people as hard as he does without good reason. If he has a good a reason as he says he does, i dont see any point in not following him. | ||
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I honestly would rather play in a game with 2 bill murray's and 10 chezinu's then play a game with you in it. At least they would have a little respect for other people. Have fun killing people at night! | ||
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You should probably stop "squirming" | ||
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On August 10 2010 12:42 citi.zen wrote: Way to not answer the real question. *yawn* Hey citizen, do YOU think I should use my power? You know, the one that screwes town over completely? | ||
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Assuming ace is scum, the game will be 7-2 at day 3. Now i guess to utilize this role i have to survive to a point where town has an advantage. So if the game ever reaches a day phase where (Town# - 1) x 2 > (mafia# + 1) then I would claim myself something of a spokesperson for the town. If town disagrees at that point, i will treestump and organize the town properly. I am not asking for medic protection, but I am proposing myself as a target later if not now for mafia. That way a person with a better role can live. Hopefully mafia feels a little threatened. BTW, lylo isnt in effect til day 5 if all lynches til then are town besides ace (disregarding vig and medic). And my plan wouldnt go into effect anyway until another red is killed, unless people would consider (T# - 1) x 2 = (M# + 1) a pro town situation. | ||
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Humor me, and say "I am not mafia" | ||
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) Ace being Ace, instantly sees pyrrs little guess as a scum trick, and underestimates Bill's Billness, and shoots for pyrr as the head honcho of the operation. He only feels more convinced when Bill comes out of his charade. As a result, pyrr dies, which seems an unfortunate coincidence that he was a DT. And now Ace dieing, no matter how he died, is bad luck since he was medic. I think its safe to assume we have at most 2 more blues left, with very little chance either is a DT or medic.Honestly, Bill deserves a policy lynch for what he has done. | ||
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On August 11 2010 09:29 Ace wrote: oh are you fucking serious? :/ BTW, sorry for instigating ace, I was just trying to get you to kill me, instead.... sorry lol no hard feelings | ||
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##Vote Bill Murray | ||
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If BM is red, I think we can justify the other 2 reds will be in the Pyrr/Ace/abstain pile. myself, divine, chaoser, citizen, scamp and jayme. Korynne and young id think would be unlikely. Mafia getting warned is a little whacko, and very abusing of hesmyrr's leniancy on them. (not that korynne could help it) Voting BM is a little gutsy for mafia especially on the first day when its so close, youd have 3 choices of ace pyrr and abstain, which were all safe bets at the time. Ive already roleclaimed, penalty claimed first. If anyone feels that I am scum, feel free to point out why. Havent read to much into divine, but as I recall he has been his slightly aggressive self, and ive never seen him play red. chaoser is inactive as balls, very likely he is red along with scamp, who has been putting more ideas out there reclusivley. Citizen very well could be red, but I would find it unlikely he would support BM doind what he did. Which is why he would try to get rid of ace if he could and play it off like we all were going to kill him anyway. Jayme would be the cohort here, takin advice from citi. So personnally think if BM then Citi/Jayme or maybe scamp instead. if hes green then im done -_- | ||
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You think I made up my role? If another person had a treestump-ish role, im sure they would point it out, as they have nothing to lose if they werent important otherwise. And even if everyone voted for me, I wouldnt treestump anyway. I have absolutely no threatening penalty like zeks or BM as long as I dont use it. In fact, BMs penalty is sounding really threatening right now. Hell id make a penalty up like that if I were scum. | ||
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On August 12 2010 05:39 Bill Murray wrote: I'll do what the consensus of the town is. LSB, scamp, and bumatlarge are my top 3 suspects. If noone says anything about it, I'm going to hit LSB, as I found the argument between him and ace to now be townie on townie. Can you clarify that last sentence? I think you mixed it up a bit and meant mafia on townie. And do you still have a hit? I thought you were implying you hit Ace. Guess not. Got pretty nice protection there, that if you get lynched it takes out a blue role. Look at it from a third party perspective BM. 1. a. Bum is scum, lynch him based on? (I could have kept my mouth shut here mind you) b. If towny, lose another day to mis-lynch. 2. a. BM is scum, veritable proof of confusing town. And thats all I have, you voted for pyrr to save yourself, I respect that. b. If vig, we lose a blue and probably our last one. Also if there is a last blue, he loses his power. Lose another day to mis-lynch. If I am red, I am relying on people seeing this standpoint, and I would have had to make everything up from the beginning of the game. I came out talking like this for no reason whatsoever. A convoluted WIFOM that gives me the short end of the stick. I apologize Scamp, I forgot your penalty, so I labeled you as reclusive based off your abstain, since you were posting alot. | ||
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At first I thought they were watered down penalties to not screw them over or something. Now my whole argument for myself is alot weaker | ||
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##unvote ##vote abstain | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Day1 = 9T/3M Night 1 = 8T/3M Day 2 = 7T/3M Night 2 = 6T/3M Day 3 = 5T/3M Night 4 = 4T/3M Day 4 is lylo, and it is day 2 right now, we do not NEED a vig to win the game. Especially if hes very likely red. Citizen is pretty hard to read, and I admit im not the greatest speculator, but Im sure on this one. Beginning of game, bill vote's ace, because he said he would. Pyrr/Ace situation happens. Citizen votes for BM first thinking hes a lost cause and he might as well build as much cred as he can, because you simply dont outright lie about your role and penalty with 0 confirmation of the person you are accusing, and then pyrr would be the next in line according to ace. Luckily ace looks into it too deeply and accuses pyrr, leading to that whole debacle. After pyrr claimed DT It was between pyrr and bill. I regret voting for pyr, but i noticed something funky. Look at citizen's voting on day 1. At one point he keeps it on BM for a very very long time. Then at the last half-hour he takes his vote off BM and goes to Ace. He saved BM at the last possible moment, and no one even noticed. He apologizes for it an hour later saying he didnt notice the numbers,Thats really all I had for him. Then I read this again. On August 10 2010 09:15 Ace wrote: Ok just got my PM from Hessmyrr. I'm going to break the game wide open because we aren't going to sit around playing the blame game with LSB and the rest of the scrubs for 3 days. I'm also going to explain how I arrived out my stunningly awesome conclusion: The game has 10 town and 3 scum. In a typical game of Mafia this would be slightly unbalanced in favor of the scum unless the town has a Vigilante. This is why I'm extremely sure we have a Vigilante. Otherwise this game would be ridiculous. Call this assumption 1. Now based on my own role PM, I know our roles are weakened. Taking this into account let's call the 10 vs 3 setup neutral or 0:0. When everyone's penalties came out I was wondering if all of us had negative effects. So far it seems like it. For every negative effect I subtracted 1 from the town side. My penalty bumatlarge's penalty zeks penalty So now we're at -3: 0. At this point since the Mafia have no penalties the game would be highly unbalanced in their favor. There is no way that the town from a standard game got ALL weakened abilities because this would be a bastard game: The town could never win. I highly doubt this is the case. And so I came to the conclusion my role has a hidden ability: If I visit scum at night I die. This is why I said my abilities are potentially game breaking. I can tell you what I'm going to do and if it happens to be a scum aligned player, I automatically die regardless of what else happens that night. If this assumption holds true, and I'm pretty sure it can then we've got this game finished. I can just claim who I'm going to visit ahead of time and if I come back alive the person is town aligned. If I die and there's only one kill at night you'll know I got him by scum (barring a Vigilante hit). So with that said - let's get the show on the road Read that. No wait hold your face palm. He died. And the only two people who I think actually understood what he was saying was citizen and LSB. He says he would tell us the name of the person he visits, but he never mentions ANYONE's name after that post. The last person he was arguing with citizen, myself and LSB. He knew he was not getting lynched, I suppose, because he knew who he was protecting was red? The obvious person would be bill I guess, but we three were the last to argue with him. The last person he mentions who is alive by name is LSB. Why didnt he just come out and say he was visiting the person he thought? I dont know, but I can guarantee it was one of the 4 of us. He calls LSB scum at one point though after a long argument on who should be lynched -_- I need everyone to read the whole thread over, There is alot of stuff I could have missed. Now the interesting part, how do we know it was not me? Well lets find out, assuming those 3 vote me, and i vote one of them, it will be for the rest to decide. If I get the majority, I will treestump before the day is over. The population will then be 7-4. But we will lynch one of these 3, and sorry korynne, bill is the most obvious. The population will then be 7-3, exactly the same as if I was lynched anyway. Dont care about his little vig stories. So go ahead guys, convince them to lynch me. I dare you. I'll be happy to answer any questions. | ||
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On August 13 2010 09:38 LSB wrote: By understand, you mean call out his BS, sure. I don't get why you are suddenly accepting Ace logic. Please explain. He died. I dont care about the logic part, I care that he knew his role would get him killed that night if he visited scum. It's strange how you suddenly think that Ace was acting in the interest of the town. Is it just me, do did you say that Aces idea was correct? You did this before. Completely ignored his claim and focused on his line of reasoning. He said he confirmed something about his role, and it happened. Im not saying I agree with his logic about penalties. Im saying he was right about something with his plan, since he did indeed die at night. I have a detailed post here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=137823¤tpage=22#439 Before you go a step in the direction of Aces logic, please answer the faults Dead men do tell lies Ace was unoriginal, I called him scum first, and he just stole it from me. I actually take pride in the fact that Ace called me scum. He called two people in the game scum. Me and Pyrr Let's look at the world your proposing. Your proposing that Ace, protecting me, got killed because I was 'scum'. Big problem. Okay, you missed some key points. Who did the Mafia kill? No one has claimed a vigi hit, and the doctor was protecting me. As unbelievable as it seems, I believe the Mafia killed Ace, hoping to send the town into disarray. Well then you need to clarify on people, do you think citizen and BM are mafia? I only choose you because of Ace took his visit to the grave. There could still be a vet, but I guess they would have claimed immediately, unless there role prevents them. Jayme for instance seems a like that with Goth, but not sure why he would get hit. We only have a slice of the penalty pie. I need everyone to read the whole thread over, There is alot of stuff I could have missed. Now the interesting part, how do we know it was not me? Well lets find out, assuming those 3 vote me, and i vote one of them, it will be for the rest to decide. If I get the majority, I will treestump before the day is over. The population will then be 7-4. But we will lynch one of these 3, and sorry korynne, bill is the most obvious. The population will then be 7-3, exactly the same as if I was lynched anyway. Dont care about his little vig stories. So go ahead guys, convince them to lynch me. I dare you. I'll be happy to answer any questions. Don't kill yourself, I know your town.[/QUOTE] Im not killing myself, I'm becoming one with the penalty game. Hummmmmmm | ||
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On August 13 2010 10:00 bumatlarge wrote: Oh its night, lol.... i thought it said the 13th? Now I feel silly, keep forgetting its KST, which is exactly 12 hours ahead of EST :X wow what will happen... | ||
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Korynne can you read through the thread again? Along with everyone. If I use my power when im going to lynched, and we lynch a red instead, we will only need to deal with 2 other reds, despite the pop increase. The lylo will come soooner, but it would be easier to pull off a win. Assuming we hit red -_- Any analysis on anyone would be great. | ||
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## Vote Bill Murray Maybe the vig is either jaymes, or has some whack penalty. This is a pretty obvious choice. Thanks citizen for making this a little easier for the town. Hey maybe even Korynne is red too instead of LSB, but we can speculate that later. | ||
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LSB didnt vote, and Id like his opinions. If more people decide korynnes is scum I will swing that way, but if she pops town, I think its pretty much GG if we dont go BM>Citizen>?LSB? | ||
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Im tired of this really, we should have lynched BM day 1. This is all so easily fabricated, that all we have to go on is constant BM quips of "we need me" and "we will lose if I die". I really wish you had played like a normal town if you are one, instead of lying. If we decide to leave you alive, its just gonna be another excuse tommorrow, and another "but im essential" post that means nothing to anyone at this point. If we lose, oh well we lost trying our best. If lose because you are scum and we didnt lynch you, then shame on us. | ||
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It makes sense since only Pyrr and Ace died, I need to read the thread again. Unless chaoser is vet, but I think mafia would have hit him by now anyway to be sure. ##Vote chaoser | ||
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Also, If DTA and citi are red, this gives them a near perfect scenario to win the game. Divine is absolutely right, WIFOM game is annoying. But I guess I dont see why darth would take it off the chaoser list unless he was red. So maybe it would be smart to link up potential teams of mafia. If chaoser = red then DTA and/or citi If Korynne = red then maybe LSB? If BM = red then citi? I think there is enough info in this thread to make this firmer. Especially since its nearing lylo, mafia will tend to stick together harder for a faster and cleaner win, and if they do it right there is nothing town can do. | ||
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On August 17 2010 03:20 DarthThienAn wrote: Can we lynch bum? :D wow didnt even see this lol im fairly certain that me stumping would not be helpful unless it would be between me and a certain red. I.E. its either I am red or they are, I will stump. And also, I refuted chaosers only blue role thought, when I was the only vanilla claimed person at the time. Silly reason to lose as mafia because I made a guess on roles. (yeah I remember that all blue town game very well) Call my bluff, I dare you. | ||
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Im going to put DTA on that town cred list since he made me see it. Divine and citi really backed it hard, so hell lets put them in. Then we have Korynne did put her PERMA VOTE on chaoser so shes red I think hes not Korynne bumatlarge scamp LSB So if I know im not red, that leaves those three so... Either Korynne scamp and LSB or its DTA trying to pull off this shit DTA, citi and divine. Maybe BM? ##unvote ##vote korynne still find it very suspicious that korynne threw herself under the wheel when mafia are at an advantage. | ||
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On August 17 2010 11:26 LSB wrote: Like I said. Citi.zen/BM/Divienk Ofc BM isnt going to hit someone tonight so he never confirmed this whole game, Id swap out divine for DTA maybe. | ||
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On August 18 2010 06:53 citi.zen wrote: Glad you're so sure of yourself. No point trying to persuade you of anything. Please, in future games, don't ask random people to tell you what to do. Invest the time to think for yourself. Yeah maybe you should go back a few pages, DTA was a fresh take on the game, but all that talk and we're basically screwed anyway? I'll just resort to what I feel thank you very much. It just so happens LSB feels the sameway. | ||
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ROFL WTF ok ##vote citizen man i was so sure you were vet, but in the end i think that screwed with the reds since they didnt want to hit you, and you didnt stand against BM. regardless of what you should have done, I think we are grateful now. Scamp time to whip out the votes? | ||
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On August 18 2010 12:08 chaoser wrote: I left myself off cause i'm confirmed obviously. So there's 3 town in there and 2 mafia so we have decent chances even just randomly, add in analysis and we stand a good chance to win I think. Today is lylo right? Yes it is lylo. | ||
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On August 18 2010 13:20 Bill Murray wrote: Good game guys. I am very happy with my play this game. I would have had you guys if it wasn't for those meddling kids... and that dog of theirs I thought you played very well, but you did get really lucky with the whole pyrr/ace situation lol | ||
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Bm and citi are paired at the hip, so I definitely believe divine that he is indeed mafia. Now look at darth's posts when he came into the game. Look at the FoS lists and suspects. I would seem darth BM and citi were looking for a perfect game here, to get lylo ASAP. And when BM nearly screws himself over in the beginning, the only 2 people besides ace who were completely detaching themselves from BM were citi and jayme. Jayme claimed a "guilty" penalty, which sounds an awful lot like miller. IIRC, town lynches millers on policy but I'll have to check tomorrow on divine's posts to be sure.While i was very skeptical at first of 2 DTs, if you look at the penalties of both, it's more like two halves to a whole. When a red gets lynched, as in right now, hes forced to claim, and get killed if medic isnt around. Pyrr doesnt get any results until 2 days later, effectively taking up divines place. With all these penalties, like vote restriction and some blue penalties meant to lead mafia to blues, I can believe it. So citi.zen and DarthTheinAn are red in my book. | ||
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