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On July 23 2010 08:00 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Also, some collected important info: + Show Spoiler [Day 1 Votes] +
Hyperbola (6) Divinek Pandain SiNiquity bumatlarge Brownbear Subversion
Youngminii (5) XeliN Amber[Light] Roffles Infundibulum Jayme
Abstain (6) LaXerCannon tricode SouthRawrea chaoser protactinium zeks
DTA (3) d3_crescentia Pyrrhuloxia tree.hugger
ketomai (2) citi.zen lakrismamma
Amber[Light] (1)
DTA
BloodyCobbler (2) OpZ
Foolishness LaXerCannon (1) Misder
Citi.zen (1) rastaban
SiNiquity (1)
Hyperbola
Pandain (1) BloodyCobbler
Infundibulum (1) youngminii
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DTA (10) Pyrrhuloxia XeliN zeks Subversion LaXerCannon rastaban OpZ Protactinium chaoser Pandain
chaoser (8) youngminii Roffles SouthRawrea misder citi.zen BrownBear Divinek SiNiquity
Subversion (7) tree.hugger bumatlarge jayme Amber[Light] Infundibulum
DTA d3_crescentia
Amber[Light] (1) Bloody Cobbler
Abstain (2) lakrismamma tricode
People who overlapped on Hyperbola and DTA lynch votes: Pandain Subversion + Show Spoiler +Hyperbola's "Death Post" On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote:Guys, really? Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy: People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy:Brown BearShow nested quote +On July 19 2010 06:29 BrownBear wrote: Ahhhh shti!
I am back, sorry. Is it too late to avoid modkill? Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 06:31 BrownBear wrote: Whew, looks like I got back in time. Sorry about that. Time to go read the thread. Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread? youngminiiShow nested quote +On July 18 2010 21:01 youngminii wrote: Actually, I'm not going to overlook it. Why would you place a vote on me 'just in case'? Especially after you heard BC say I was a strong player (which citi.zen evidently disagrees with)? You have these two guys criticising my post when it's not even serious, you jump on this bandwagon and then put a placeholder vote on me just in case?
Does this not strike you as scummy at all? Overly scummy but scummy nonetheless? In fact, I think this is the scummiest post I have seen all game (not that long). However, I don't think you're really that bad at this game and even a mediocre scum wouldn't do that kind of mistake. Will need confirmation on other more experienced TL mafia players on your meta. You are entirely too defensive when a person puts a vote on you as a placeholder. Either you are scum or a very nervous blue. You also endorse no lynching on the first day to appear to be "pro-life" and "for the town". I really don't see your reasoning behind this because a random shot in the dark of inactives or suspicious players can in fact nab a red. And if it doesn't you only lose a green because a blue would at least roleclaim or try to join up with trust circles to avoid getting lynched in this manner. (Divided blues that don't make connections are really hindering the town). SiNiquityI had absolutely no evidence against you before but now you are starting to stink of scum at first you took my accusal of you as a joke and brushed it off, but when people started accusing me of being mafia you saw an opportunity and went into action to provide as much evidence as you could find against me by even looking into past games. Then you just completely shut your mouth and is now waiting for the situation to close to start talking again (afraid you'll say something to bring attention to you and me being the perfect scapegoat). Also your previous posts were really try-hard in my opinion. You contributed absolutely nothing by typing up lengthy posts that just summarized what everyone said. Besides that you clarified and discussed some rules of the game and such. You want to make it seem like you are contributing and keep a neutral and non aggressive stance like a reporter so no one would suspect you. This could just be your playstyle but it seems like a very cautious red one to me. LaXerCannonShow nested quote +On July 18 2010 09:30 LaXerCannon wrote:On July 18 2010 09:04 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: If we randomly pick someone, we have a better chance of getting a blue then a red. Why don't we try voting for who we think is red? It's not like the game will automatically get easier for us as it goes on, since there aren't any clues. Also, at this point everyone's votes are spread out so we are nearly guaranteed an innocent lynch. Getting everyone to agree to vote for the random could be awfully tough.
IF we wanted to do the random thing, we could tie it in advance to something numerical in one or both of the playoff games tonight. Like number of factories made by WeMade players, or that number divided by two, or taking the number of letters in each winning player's ID and looping back to 1 if it goes over 30. It wouldn't be random, but we could independently agree on it, and none of us could influence it in advance. We don't know the distribution of red/blue/green in the list so it is almost as good as random unless the reds get us to agree on a bad number (like maybe they get us to agree on something times 2, which would never land on the first person on the list). We can take this step further by listing inactives in reverse order and numbering them from 1-X, use a number we obtain from the second paragraph and count through the list, looping when needed. I'm getting carried away here... I think lynching an inactive player is the best course of action. I also think we should get a list of players who are new to this mafia game so we know who they are. A new player who's scum can easily hide under that mask; I think it's best we can monitor them from the get go. Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 09:33 LaXerCannon wrote: ##Abstain in case I can't find it within myself to wake up early tomorrow to post (no other time >_>) Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 11:38 LaXerCannon wrote:On July 18 2010 10:40 youngminii wrote:On July 18 2010 10:13 SiNiquity wrote:On July 18 2010 09:59 youngminii wrote:On July 18 2010 09:51 Bill Murray wrote: EVERYONE abstaining? I guess it'd no lynch. Didn't expect that to happen! Okay so everyone should abstain imo. If you have any objections to this idea, please raise it asap because we need everyone to switch their vote to abstaining. Even one vote = lynch and that will be very suspicious of the person who left their vote by 'accident'. ##Unvote Pyrr ##Vote Abstain I'm not sure I like it. The inactives will get modkilled, no one gets lynched, the mafia kills 2 more people, and then we're back at square one, no? On July 18 2010 10:16 Jayme wrote: No-Lynch?
Oh hell no absolutely not.
I don't understand how a no-lynch is beneficial to the town if you're going to kill an inactive anyway. You learn absolutely nothing from it, you don't even have a CHANCE at hitting a red, and you're basically wasting a whole day on nothing.
No lynch is a terrible idea. If we lynch someone on the first day without any good reason there's a solid chance (12/15) that we'll hit a townie. That's 80%. There's also a better chance of lynching a blue than there is of scum. A no lynch is a gift that we should utilize instead of RVS. Bad idea, there's no incentive for town to post -> silent town = dead town Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 16:13 LaXerCannon wrote: playoffs are done for today! my next post will be in....around 16-18 hours. First LaxerCannon recommends lynching inactives but then goes ahead and abstains. Then he goes on again about how we should just line up inactives to lynch and doesn't change his vote. Then he vanishes. This is fishy for two reasons. First the obvious contradiction, and second, the effort to try and direct suspicion away from him. He keeps pushing the idea to lynch random inactive people while the town debates over a few suspects and really does nothing but push the town in the wrong direction: not analysing the game but killing off quiet people. Then he talks about playoffs and keeps endorcing random picking ideas. That is wayy too anti-town to be a blue. And if he's green he doesn't care about the game much. ------------------------------------------------------- this is all I have now and hope I at least contributed to the game before I die sorry about trying to have fun guys :/ j/k ~peace + Show Spoiler [DTA's "Death Post"] +On July 22 2010 12:14 DarthThienAn wrote: chaoser, I don't mind dying. Prefer not to, but it's all good if I do.
People to look out for when I flip green: Pyrr. Subversion (still got it out for him). youngminii. tree.hugger who fed me the connection between Sub and youngminii. And if those two are guilty then check out Pandain and citi.zen too.
People who haven't been posting that I remember: d3 zeks Jayme Laxer Amber (maybe?)
I forget who else and can't be bothered to check right now.
Most useful post during the entire night. + <3s. Saved me from backtracking again. I still say night posting is kind of dumb.
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I mean it ruins the whole mafia game in a way. In old-school mafia in real life the people would like put their heads down while the night roles did stuff and no one would talk. It's dumb because it ruins the game's vibe I guess.
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Whoa intense.. wasn't the night supposed to end later? O.o I thought nights were 24 hours.
Anyhow, let us assume that BC is town-aligned. If he were a blue role such as medic he may just be claiming to be hit to avoid having the mafia go for him during the night and instead go for another player to increase the chances of them hitting a blue role. This however is quite risky because BC runs the chances of being lynched. Although he may be a blue role that was actually saved in the night.(I'll come back to this in a second) In any case the prior can be ruled out as it's very unlikely.
If he were a veteran this is a town-favouring claim as it doesn't suggest that he is veteran but it clears him to the extent that claiming veteran does without the negative effects of helping the mafia find the blues.
If he were a normal villager, this is pretty self-explanatory as he's just telling the truth. If he were a saved blue/green, by announcing that he was saved he could come in contact with the doctor that saved him. In order for this to happen though, the vigilante would have to come out and announce who he shot. We could then build a circle of trust in the village making it much easier to lynch people as we would have a confirmed villager, a doctor claim or two (if the second is a mafia then we have a lynchee if the other doctor dies) and a confirmed vigilante as the mafia would need 3 KP for this scenario to be pulled off. Of course the doctor claim(s) would only come after the vigilante claim. The results are obvious if there is a cc, double lynch. If there is no cc, then we are cleared. The real vigilante should not be afraid to cc if a fake one claims either as if he does, he gets to use his life for one guaranteed mafia's life which is superior to his shooting skill as he might hit a villager and he essentially gets another shot after using his first one on BC. Once that is cleared up we would have a cleared villager and we could have claims going to him.
If BC was mafia however: Vig would claim. If we get a cc, DL both of them and as mentioned before, the Vig would be making great use of his life but BC would be neither confirmed or unconfirmed. You would expect that the real vig would be the one saying that he didn't shoot and the fake would say that he did but it may work in the reverse as the mafia might want to take out the vig if they feel he is a dangerous player. In any case, the town definitely benefits from a vig claim.
So read over this, give thoughts and if they are positive, vig claim please.
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Was just putting out those scenarios to encourage the other vig if Tricode is fake to cc Tricode. We also need time to give everyone a chance. Everyone roleclaiming at this point in the game is a bad idea I believe. It's much too early I think.
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On July 25 2010 03:37 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 03:34 SiNiquity wrote: Well with 2 / 2 KP roles have claimed (Tricode Vigilante and Citi.zen Mad Hatter), and with no counter claims up to this point, it seems likely that they're both innocent. The only scenario I can imagine where even one of these players isn't innocent is if:
1. Mafia knew the identify of the other KP role (else this player could blow the whistle at any time). 2. Knew that the other KP role would be inactive today (maybe they posted something to this effect).
As far as I can tell, the only way 1. could be accomplished is if they had already infiltrated a DT circle. This then requires
3. Knew that the DT would be inactive today (as the DT would also know 1.)
I searched and it seems Misder is the only one that hasn't posted since the Tricode / Citi.zen claiming party and has hinted he would probably be inactive this go-around. I think everyone else has at least posted, though a few only dropped in some one liners just saying they were either active or trying to catch up and didn't reference Tricode / Citi.zen directly, so it could be they missed it.
Am I missing anything, or barring this outlandish scenario are Tricode and Citi.zen clean? Yeah, pretty sure. I had been thinking about this for a while now(past 20 minutes) and I was thinking up a couple of ideas. Would it be good for everyone just to pm roleclaim to either Tricode/Citizen. I mean, they're both clean. This could really really help us. And in the chance that a mafia will counter claim to be a kp town, than we have 3 suspects to deal with. DONT ROLECLAIM YET, NEED FEEBACK
Sorry I'm back, I slept in today. This has caught my eye though because I have no choice but to counter claim Citi.zen here as if I claim later, I will become less and less believable which is not really good to the town assuming that one of us is the mafia which is most likely. Again, sorry for not being on early enough to respond to his claim. It should be fine as long as the DTs have not yet claimed to Citi.zen.
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So far I've been trying to slip under the radar so I don't get lynched early on or killed at night. I've actually only placed one bomb thus far as I was a little hesitant to kill place two people at risk even if I suspect them. My only one at the moment is on chaoser but that was placed yesterday after seeing that he didn't get lynched. I decided to abstain from placing a second bomb because of the first vote placed on me by Bumat... I felt threatened. :/
## Vote Citizen for now
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Look..I've been busy for the past few days anyways. Do you want me to go take a picture of everything that I've been doing in the backyard in the pouring rain? Just one yes is all I need. This is my first time ever playing a forum mafia game and I'm not used to this way of posting extremely long posts and having every single word scrutinized. The few times I've played the game people would say their reports, and chat in a chatbox. Not to mention this is filled with much more text. I've never even encountered the Mad Hatter role. If you look at the game EpicMafia, although they have like 50 roles, they don't have a single one that I know of that resembles the one in this game. I figured that it was a town-favoured role that was only supposed to be used later in the game when you had a higher chance of hitting the mafia with your bombs. Hence why I only placed one on the person I was most suspicious of at the time. What we could be doing here is giving citi.zen all the info he needs if he is mafia to win the game for that side. DT claims especially.
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On July 24 2010 13:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: southrawrea + Show Spoiler + On July 17 2010 10:48 SouthRawrea wrote: We should like.. have a village bonfire where we eat marshmallows and tell spookie stories in the afternoon.
On July 17 2010 22:57 SouthRawrea wrote: ####Vote Abstain
On July 19 2010 09:59 SouthRawrea wrote: My take on this is we should take it easy Day 1 and just individually take note of inactives/suspicious individuals until we get our power roles in action tonight. Sure we may end up lynching one of the Reds and it does indeed help to lynch scummy players in order to lessen the number suspects in a future lynch but Random Lynching on Day 1 also allows Reds to gain a foothold in swaying the opinions of players in a future 50/50 situation (ex: Player X is active since Day 1 and seems to be pro-town but is in actuality a mafia. Both him and a Player Y, a cop, counter-claim each other with conflicting reports several days later and the town is given a 50/50 shot at lynching the right person but the other cop hasn't been speaking as much in fear of revealing the fact that he is a cop to the mafia through unintentional, implicit clues. The rest of the village trusts Player X because he seems to be more Pro-Town than Player Y.) and we risk the possibility of lynching one of our power roles early on. Just my 2 cents on why I voted to abstain from lynching.
On July 20 2010 08:04 SouthRawrea wrote: Talking at night is stupid D:. It takes away from what the game is supposed to be.
On July 21 2010 11:19 SouthRawrea wrote: Um this is getting a bit too heated in my opinion but this may all just be coming from the fact that chaoser is furiously trying to get the town's suspicion placed on Subversion or he's reading wayyy too much into the words typed out by Subversion. This is his first game and I can emphasize with him because you don't quite think out every thing you type especially in your first game. If I try to help my team (because I've played a couple of forum games before) I generally type furiously without reading over what I've typed and trying to think how that would read to another player. Also, I'm pretty sure Subversion hasn't mentioned you. I do think you're trying too hard to tunnel him (not sure if that term is used here). However, it's not like you're voting him or anything which makes me inclined to think that you're just trying to defend yourself and help the village in general. I don't see why you'd go for Subversion instead of an inactive such as me.
##Vote Chaoser
I would abstain but we can afford a mislynch now and we have a bit of information to work with especially because the detectives have their reports and we have a claim. This generally works in our favour as there hasn't been a lucky kill for the mafia and there is alot more text to read upon for scumtells. Also we get more info now. (Not quite sure how this works in my head but I imagine a detective claim from someone getting lynched day 2 is much more convincing than one on day 1 especially because they have a report now)
On July 22 2010 08:40 SouthRawrea wrote: Maybe there's a fool in the game with the simple objective of trying to get lynched? Also, getting a fool/mafia vibe from DTA that can happen in the event that both are present in a game. Gonna assume there isn't one unless BM added one in secretly and consider DTA for lynching as well. I'll actually bandwagon if a lynch occurs later or perhaps start it on another day just because as I'm continuing to read, some of my suspicions are beginning to coincide with some of those who suspect him. Overall though, not a huge suspect on my list.
On July 22 2010 12:00 SouthRawrea wrote: Gonna leave my vote the way it is. Gonna sleep for tonight gotta get up early tomorrow.
On July 23 2010 09:29 SouthRawrea wrote: I mean it ruins the whole mafia game in a way. In old-school mafia in real life the people would like put their heads down while the night roles did stuff and no one would talk. It's dumb because it ruins the game's vibe I guess.
Welcome to southrawrea, the classic case of a mafia member “being active”. I’m not sure how he has been missed this long as well, almost all his posts are useless, rehashing old information someone has said, or obvious filler posts to distract people from how inactive he has been. Considering he hasn’t been very active overall, and coupled with the style of posts he is making, I am sure he is mafia, and IMO someone we should consider lynching. If anyone doubts it, go read all his posts for yourself, you will see what I mean. If you refuse to go read his posts, take the sample I have given and make your decision off that.
Not sure how this is completely representative of all my posts. You're missing a few actually. The type of mafia I'm used to is more fast paced and over a short period of time. I'm not entirely good with the analytical thing where you link the posts of people from 50 pages back and stuff which is what the "better" players seem to be doing.
Also at citi.zen if you really are the Mad Hatter, why not announce who you placed your bombs on? If they're really innocent, no problemo and if they're mafia they'll think twice about shooting you and we have someone to lead.
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Also I impose a question upon all of you. Would you guys be alright if this vote does end up killing me and chaoser to allow me one extra night to place another bomb, essentially allowing us a triple lynch as my action does come before the mafia? This is if voting continues along the same pattern. A couple bandwagoners here and there at the moment but there could be more. Of course if we did this we would need to come up with a couple more lynch candidates.
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On July 25 2010 05:35 SiNiquity wrote:I would very much like to see your backyard Ok just five minutes, need enough battery power on my camera and I'll PM you with it.
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On July 25 2010 06:01 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 06:00 SouthRawrea wrote:On July 25 2010 05:35 SiNiquity wrote:I would very much like to see your backyard Ok just five minutes, need enough battery power on my camera and I'll PM you with it. can i see it too?
I'll put it in the thread then.
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Might get one of the left over material in the front too. We're basically building a retaining wall. I've been kinda busy from 2 hour a day volunteer work but that's not a big deal really.
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Wait.. hallelujah.. found my phone usb cord.. gonna send my phone pic first just to confirm something is going on and then I'll get good pics on my camera.
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Okay phone failed.. camera battery keeps dying. Gonna take my time because it seems I'm taking the stupid charger off too soon. I'll get a pic up in 15 mins tops.
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Here we go.. Here we gooo!
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On July 25 2010 06:25 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 06:17 zeks wrote: #vote SouthRawrea
Mafia is essentially against a wall so they pushed their most inactive member out to die
How does that make any sense mafia is against a wall so they sacrificed someone who was going to be lynched anyway? if southrawrea is red it doesn't buy the mafia any extra time if he gets lynched
What makes even less sense is how would the supposed mafia be against a wall? They've got 1 blue role and have lost no one so far. Not to mention we don't have any real clues as to who they are except suspicious behaviour. We've missed our lynches consistantly.
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On July 25 2010 06:31 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 06:25 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On July 25 2010 06:17 zeks wrote: #vote SouthRawrea
Mafia is essentially against a wall so they pushed their most inactive member out to die
How does that make any sense mafia is against a wall so they sacrificed someone who was going to be lynched anyway? if southrawrea is red it doesn't buy the mafia any extra time if he gets lynched 1. His claim is an effort to save himself and get our main man citi.zen killed in the process 2. SouthRawrea is obviously expendable 3. Town organization is becoming a LEGIT THREAT - we've forced the action on them so now they came up with an aggressive reply with South claiming. Scum probably wrote his posts up for him rofl
Oh and took the pictures as well I suppose.
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So you're thoroughly convinced that I'm mafia for some reason it seems. Why does it seem like you're not even considering Citi.zen as a mafia suspect?
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Oh and thank you but it's a work in progress.. we had to rip out part of the deck. put new sod down.. tear out the old shack there for tools.. which is why there's still a concrete slab. After the interlock is done we get rid of the concrete. Moved in almost 2 years ago.
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