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On July 25 2010 11:05 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 11:03 tree.hugger wrote:
Basically, it works like this:
We lynched citi.zen because in doing so, we would find out which he was, and thus Southrawrea would be the other. Of course, we could've done the same thing by lynching Southrawrea, but due to suspicions I, and many others held, along with the advantage of catching a bigger fish, or using the skill of a superior hatter, we decided that citi.zen was the better target.
However, the fact that citi.zen is NOT the MH candidate, makes our choice a mistake. Whereas lynching Southrawrea would've had the same effect; either validating citi.zen and his friend/Tricode, lynching citi.zen means that we still have a third option on the table; namely that citi.zen was a pawn of the GF. And now we can't ask him about it. Not only that, but if this is the case, then the GF knows both detectives.
Or Southrawrea could be mafia.
Or Tricode and Bc could be mafia.
We should've had two choices, but now we still have three.
So here's what we need to do. If citi.zen's MH was the mafia, then we could probably call gg right now, because we're done. At any rate, our detectives should make sure to confide in someone that they trust, because they'll both die. A suicide bomber is likely in this scenario, and that means Southrawrea would die as well, leaving a total of five town deaths and one mafia death in a night.
But because of how bleak this other outlook is, I think we have no choice but to reject it. We can't win the game that way, and so we shouldn't even consider it, and pretend like citi.zen's death has given us the two-pronged choice that we aimed for. I'm forced to believe that this is a mafia attempt at covering up the situation at hand. I've tried all game to ignore tree.hugger's scummy posts because I had an initial suspicion that he was town which I clearly followed throughout the whole game. If he isn't mafia I just have to /facepalm really hard. We are following my list, even if I'm being over-excessively loud about it.
What am I covering up? What? What about that post is incorrect?
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I'm going to take some time off from this game. I'm sick of analyzing things only to have people turn out to not have been telling the truth, and then for the town to be worse off because of it.
And I'm sick of Youngminii.
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On July 25 2010 11:15 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 11:13 tree.hugger wrote:
I'm going to take some time off from this game. I'm sick of analyzing things only to have people turn out to not have been telling the truth, and then for the town to be worse off because of it.
And I'm sick of Youngminii. Coming from the man who said shit about people not being respectful. Look at yourself.
This is something I think is important, and I'm not going to let you turn it against me. I think that, whatever Infundibulum thinks about your mis-spelling his name , it became tiresome, unfunny, and annoying. The fact that you repeatedly used it as a bludgeon to get your point across that he was suspicious or mafia was an immature attempt to be demeaning, and, even if he's made of tougher stuff than to be bothered by it, I didn't like to see it as an observer.
These games can get heated, but commentary should consist of what occurs in the game, and should stay out of what doesn't. Your posting has been nothing but negativity from the moment you began this game, and while I appreciate your enthusiasm and drive, it's not fun to read through page after page of you flaming people, and engaging in petty disputes.
I have no judgments upon you as a person, please know that, but as a mafia player, your style saddens me. I hope you'll take the time to moderate your words and respond to this in a manner that isn't caustic or agressive. If you have criticisms of the way I treat people in this game, then please tell me as well, because I think we can always be nicer to people, and I think in the heat of the moment, it's easy to forget that.
I'd love to continue this discussion in pm's.
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So that vote when we were choosing between citi.zen and Southrawrea because both were roleclaiming MH, and only one of them could be correct?
Well it turns out that when citi.zen claimed, he was actually doing it as a proxy, so in fact the entire assumption based on that lynch was invalid. Should've lynched Southrawrea then. Damn we screwed that up. Except Southrawrea was acting as a proxy for BC so in fact the whole reason between us lynching people the last day was a card tower of lies.
Hahahaha! Ahaha! .... Ha!....
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I advocate the immediate lynching of Zeks and BC because if we're going down, we might as well take out the dishonest anti-town players who got us into this mess.
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On July 26 2010 08:48 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 08:14 tree.hugger wrote:
So that vote when we were choosing between citi.zen and Southrawrea because both were roleclaiming MH, and only one of them could be correct?
Well it turns out that when citi.zen claimed, he was actually doing it as a proxy, so in fact the entire assumption based on that lynch was invalid. Should've lynched Southrawrea then. Damn we screwed that up. Except Southrawrea was acting as a proxy for BC so in fact the whole reason between us lynching people the last day was a card tower of lies.
Hahahaha! Ahaha! .... Ha!....
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I advocate the immediate lynching of Zeks and BC because if we're going down, we might as well take out the dishonest anti-town players who got us into this mess. *ducks in* Even after their plan has completely gone to shit, he's still trying to save South. Unbelievable. *ducks out*
No, let's kill South too. I wanted to kill the people who got people to proxy for them, but after that we should probably lynch South and Tricode, and then start over. I have no problem killing South.
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Did anybody involved in this, anyone, just stop to think for one moment that this was bad for the town? Did anyone who proxy'd someone to claim for them realize, when they saw my posts about citi.zen being the better lynch, or youngminii's posts about South being the better lynch, that the town was making a crucial decision based upon people lying?
Did it bother you, Zeks, South, BC that he that the town was making a decision based upon facts that weren't true? I mean, the whole premise of that lynch was to rolecheck competing claims. We didn't do that. We didn't rule out anything. We're back at Day 2, and on Day 2, we were back at Day 1.
And yet nobody thought for just a second and realized that through their incredible scheming , they were shooting the town in the foot. Unbelievable.
Of course it all makes sense now. I remarked to Infun that South's 'claim' was suspicious because he never once said the words "mad hatter" in them. He just heavily implied it. I said several times in the thread that citi.zen being citi.zen, he's probably making some ballsy play. But I guess I was just naive, I guess I just assumed that someone, on either side, would play with their brain, and not with their ego. I guess I assumed that at least one side had the town's interests at heart. But having been hyuked by both sides?
It's really annoying.
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On July 26 2010 09:56 Subversion wrote:
Don't give problems tree hugger. Give solutions.
You were right about this, I'm done being annoyed about the last day. (Tricode and Zeks, I didn't actually mean I thought lynching you was a good plan, I just meant that it really annoyed me how much we were played yesterday.)
It's really funny how wrong and right I was at the beginning, I had a bunch of people that were working as a team, and that turned out to be right—but it wasn't the mafia team. Oh well.
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And I was going to post about how in fact is wasn't so bad and that Zeks is pretty much confirmed, because if Zeks was the GF, then we were all going to lose anyway, and his roleclaim would make no goddamned sense.
BUT I think this should be apparent now to everyone, so if you haven't already, roleclaim to Zeks.
And
##vote double lynch
##vote BloodyC0bbler
##vote SouthRawrea
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On July 26 2010 11:50 Divinek wrote:
if one of south/bc isnt red then fuck this game
If BC isn't red, I agree. South could just be bad.
On July 26 2010 11:53 Divinek wrote:
also there's way too many people in this game that dont post enough that are probably mob, how annoying
d3, (citi.zen's favorite) Misder, XeliN (haha, never posts, never has to)
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Wee, sleekit, cow'rin, tim'rous beastie,
O, what a panic's in thy breastie!
Thou need na start awa sae hasty
Wi bickering brattle!
I wad be laith to rin an' chase thee,
Wi' murdering pattle.
I'm truly sorry man's dominion
Has broken Nature's social union,
An' justifies that ill opinion
Which makes thee startle
At me, thy poor, earth born companion
An' fellow mortal!
I doubt na, whyles, but thou may thieve;
What then? poor beastie, thou maun live!
A daimen icker in a thrave
'S a sma' request;
I'll get a blessin wi' the lave,
An' never miss't.
Thy wee-bit housie, too, in ruin!
It's silly wa's the win's are strewin!
An' naething, now, to big a new ane,
O' foggage green!
An' bleak December's win's ensuin,
Baith snell an' keen!
Thou saw the fields laid bare an' waste,
An' weary winter comin fast,
An' cozie here, beneath the blast,
Thou thought to dwell,
Till crash! the cruel coulter past
Out thro' thy cell.
That wee bit heap o' leaves an' stibble,
Has cost thee monie a weary nibble!
Now thou's turned out, for a' thy trouble,
But house or hald,
To thole the winter's sleety dribble,
An' cranreuch cauld.
But Mousie, thou art no thy lane,
In proving foresight may be vain:
The best-laid schemes o' mice an' men
Gang aft agley,
An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain,
For promis'd joy!
Still thou are blest, compared wi' me!
The present only toucheth thee:
But och! I backward cast my e'e,
On prospects drear!
An' forward, tho' I canna see,
I guess an' fear!
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On July 27 2010 06:11 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2010 06:10 chaoser wrote:On July 27 2010 05:54 BrownBear wrote:
They's done.
Bill, please for the love of god stop letting people edit posts. who edited? Many people. The problem is, he's given them permission every time, and I really don't like it.
The last person to edit was Proactinium on page 135. You posted twice after then without raising a complaint. And if it's to correct a grammatical error...?
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On July 27 2010 09:45 Bill Murray wrote:
I just pmed quite a few good players to see if they want to replace in.
Let citi.zen play, so he can yell at us.
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On July 28 2010 16:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2010 15:33 ~OpZ~ wrote:On July 28 2010 15:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 28 2010 15:22 ~OpZ~ wrote:On July 28 2010 14:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 28 2010 14:39 BrownBear wrote:On July 28 2010 14:29 Divinek wrote:
i had strong thoughts bc was mafia just based on how he'd been posting (even if that was only based on how he played one game previously) and his pms to me
but he's such a persuasive asshole, damn experienced players BC is damn good at this game. He almost had me convinced yesterday. Shit, for real? rofl. I did way better than I was thinking I had. SOOOO thought I had only stalled you. BC, you had a VERY slim chance of changing my vote...But as I've said, I regularly distrust you. And your instajump on citizen is what hugely pinned my suspicion at you. Was an epic bus of citizen you pulled off tho. GG for you sir. I woulda done it as town as well. As I said, his play was horrendous there, the fact that only a minority of players saw it makes me sad. It also led to one of the biggest breakthroughs in the game. And if he wasn't lynched, he had the names of both people that woulda been a fake dt, and a fake MH. Citizen personally picked the DT's night 2 check too. So....I dunno good sir if it was horrendous play. I think it was pretty baller. Once game is done I shall go into more detail on what he did and the problems behind it, but I don't really want to derail the game (as its still in motion).
citi.zen almost shot the town in the foot, but in reality, knowing that both you and South were mafia, that was a poor play from you guys as well. Knowing that it was, in fact a polarized vote, (something figured out because Zeks claimed when he, had he been mafia, had no need to claim) basically meant that if we didn't get the mafia side of the equation that day, we'd get you tomorrow. So why you went almost all-in to buy yourself a day strikes me as a really odd choice.
It's true that you hadn't gotten any of your night lynches correct, but there was really no plausible chance anyone would roleclaim to you (woops, Subversion) and you committed yourself to dying the next day, if not that day. I don't get what the thought was behind it. But I guess we'll hear about that later. At any rate, if you were planning to talk your way out of it, not everyone in this game is as easy to convince as BrownBear.
Speaking of which....
On July 28 2010 14:17 BrownBear wrote:
Fuck yeah.
Tomorrow, tree.hugger and a yet-to-be-decided-on fourth.
Town, we got this :D
Not with that lynch, you don't.
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On July 28 2010 15:43 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2010 15:31 ~OpZ~ wrote:
and everyone that wanted to hold off on voting for BC, should be looked at with huge suspicion. It will probably lead to ANOTHER overwhelming case against me. Again, my only argument is I'm not sheepish with my votes, AND I didn't want day to end. I also wanted something from BC before he died to point us in the direction of whom is town/mafia.
I didn't vote for citizen, but those who didn't instavote for BC today, but DID vote for citizen should most definitely be scrutinized thoroughly. Just so you know, Pandain totally refused to insta-gib BC (and I think he did the same for SouthRawrea) on the grounds of some totally random reason. He also voted citi.zen even after I PM'd him threatening to reveal his DT claim if he did.
Holding a roleclaim over someone's head, even if you suspect they're mafia isn't a very productive way to play... nobody will want to roleclaim to you!
But in the end, that split vote worked, we actually did have a mafia on the chopping block. So with some DT leadership (ahem, ahem) we should be in business.
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Okay, I'm going to catch up more fully with the day in a little bit after I wake up, which will be after I go to sleep, which will be after the MSL. But I just wanted to remark how funny it was that literally all the players I had playing 'on a team' at the beginning, and thus on my suspicion list, were DT's and their fellow rolechecks. Except BC. I did get him right.
We agreed upon Pandain right? I'll check Rastaban later, but he's probably scum.
And thank god Infund was a townie, because I was pretty sure, but not 100% I could trust you. gg man.
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On July 29 2010 23:30 chaoser wrote:
##Vote tree.hugger
Until tree responds, I'm going to keep my vote on him
No problem, I woke up for the MSL, and then fell asleep after it was over, and now I'm up again.
Basically, I was talking to Foolishness at the beginning, and then Infund and several others at different points throughout the game. We identified players who were playing on a team early on and tried to get one lynched as a rolecheck on the whole group. My thought was that they were mafia of course, and it turned out to be a little bit of bad luck that we ended up figuring out the town circle, and not the mafia, although ironically we had much more success in that regard than the actual mafia. I've been somewhat busy in the middle of this week, and I'm actually heading up to Montreal for a music festival tomorrow, so my activity is going to be more suspect I'm afraid.
And I stand by the lynch of citi.zen, with what we knew at the time, it was the right choice, and it turned out to not be so big of a deal anyway.
I've totally lost track at this point of who's claimed to be a DT or not. Looks like;
##Vote: Pandain
##Vote: Rastaban
Mafia KP goes down to 1 once we axe Pandain, ya? This is very manageable.
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On July 30 2010 11:33 Subversion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2010 10:22 BrownBear wrote:
Per Pandain's wishes, here is his unaltered last will and testimony:
From: Pandain [ 793 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Last words and Testimony +will
Date: 7/29/10 01:06
My ashes go to my love Subversive. That way you will be forever emotionally scarred.
It's Subversion.
It's Infun.... wait a minute.
And Pandain's lynch is disappointing, but it makes me feel better about myself, because it means that I wasn't gamed by Pandain, and that he actually was as bad as I accused him of being earlier.
I'm willing to go for Misder, I kind of lost track of who roleclaimed what, so I really don't have much on Rastaban, and Misder is one of those players (like XeliN... D who is on that special level of deep inactivity which means that we pretty much have to lynch him to get any juice out.
##Vote: Misder
It's a bit of crapshoot now, our blues went and all got themselves killed stupidly, which means that we're just going to have to guess right.
And I really expected to have been killed much earlier, but I guess the fact that I ended up bandwagoning the town circle might have something to do with it. I'll be on the road tomorrow (see: Montreal) but depending on the internet situation there, I'll probably get back to check in to see what's happened.
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LOL. That was silly. What were you guys thinking?
Montreal is nice though.
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