EPTthe only way a fake claim would work is if foolishness was double tapped but then only a troll or a red would claim
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the only way a fake claim would work is if foolishness was double tapped but then only a troll or a red would claim | ||
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On July 20 2010 15:14 BrownBear wrote: He doesn't have to roleclaim, dude. He just has to say "i'm vet" or "i'm not". If he isn't, medic is going to keep protecting him anyway, and if he is, mafia will more than likely just leave him alone. i don't think we want to give the mafia any extra information. it doesn't matter to us whether d3 is a vet or not, but it matters very much to the mafia. | ||
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1) godfather posing as vet (null if he has picked a different role to appear as) and 2) mafia will snipe other blues basically, if the vets claim, their power (being able to absorb hits) is null. the mafia can get a near-guaranteed 2 kp each as long as they dodge medic protects. we would have to be able to funnel enough info to a CONFIRMED vet (would take at least 1 day to confirm) and organize a dangerous enough town structure before the mafia would even think about trading in their 2 kills on a vet instead of 2 kills on town players. i'm not totally convinced that vets roleclaiming is a good idea. | ||
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1. the town wants the mafia to inadvertently waste hits on vets 2. vets claiming practically guarantees that this will not happen | ||
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On July 20 2010 15:37 youngminii wrote: Why are we sure our first vet has lost his life? Some guy got protected by a medic. no, we just know that d3 took a hit. not whether he is vet or was protected (or i guess both is possible to lol) | ||
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but don't forget we need to decide when to use our first double lynch | ||
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On July 20 2010 20:18 Jayme wrote: You have to balance the fact that you have a central confirmed townie with which to operate from. Randomly hitting a Vet is so rare as it is that I just don't see a huge benefit in keeping them hidden when one has obviously been hit...or the medic got a really lucky protection on someone. I personally like the vet claiming idea because on their own they are a pretty weak blue role. the problems are that the vet needs to be verified by DT checks (takes at least 1 day), and there is a risk of godfather infiltration. Vet is usually a pretty safe choice for gf to claim if they don't want to claim townie. we also need to be able to get enough info to the vet, and organize everything before he becomes enough of a threat to the mafia that they would even think about dropping 2 hits on him instead of spreading out the kills. the other problem is the suicide bomber. if the vet ever actually becomes dangerous enough they can just blow him up. | ||
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7. xelin 10. lakrismamma 14. SouthRawrea 30. roffles My thoughts on lynch candidates so far: DTA - probable town, based on his behavior towards Foolishness. BB - unsure. Subversion - inexperienced townie. Right not my spidey sense is tingling and i'm pretty sure that a lot of the recent posts are just town infighting while the mafia sits back and watches. The players on my list up there, and the ones who are attempting to slip under the radar with 1-2 posts since Day 2 are the kind of people we need to keep an eye on. | ||
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On July 21 2010 09:28 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I'm really not feeling Subversion as red at this point. The voting was not particularly close, and even if it was, BM's counting was making it look otherwise. Haven't changed my thoughts on Brown Bear either. @Infundibulum: You said "DTA - probable town, based on his behavior towards Foolishness." I got the opposite vibe from that, I'd just like to hear some more detail on why you felt that way. The voting was extremely close, actually. It was 5-5 when he voted for Hyper, though he says he thought it was 7-4, and to be fair this is possible since there were mistakes in the vote tally and they weren't counted often. It's Subversions reactions that make me think he might be town who screwed up and is now in over his head. Well if you look back around page 27 or so, DTA basically goes all out on Foolishness quoting all of his posts, asking "are you so innocent yourself?" And then Foolishness gets killed by the mafia at night. I know that this is a bit of wifom, but i find it hard to think that a red would put himself out like that starting a feud with someone he was targeting. | ||
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i'm not convinced about any of the lynch candidates so far, so i'll wait on that. | ||
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Re: DTA - I should thank pyrr for doing a really thorough analysis here. I do think it's possible the mafia took that gambit of not killing DTA to make him appear more red (see Foolish's quote... "if the mafia don't kill you tonight you're red" [that was paraphrased]). So, I want to see how he responds to Pyrr's accusation before I decide if I want to vote for him. The pressures pretty strong already. ANd i gotta say i'm all but convinced on this one. On July 21 2010 14:27 youngminii wrote: My suspicion on infindouwioej4l5k23wtgjfxvpcohinkium is still here, it's just a lot smaller than everything else going on right now. It's "Infundibulum." | ||
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On July 21 2010 23:19 Roffles wrote: Yawn, just gonna pitch in my two liner here and say that Subversion's slip up doesn't really strike me as a real mafia slip up, just a minor error by a newbie. As for BrownBear, I dunno really. His defense arguments seem townie enough, but I'm still wary of his vote, read, then no change on the vote tactic from Day 1. Aside from DTA's antics, I think we're on the wrong path here, but that's just a hunch. You know i agree with this, but people have been saying these exact same things for several pages now... | ||
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On July 22 2010 03:00 Pandain wrote: Lynching Subversion will gain us NO info whatsoever, since I believe he is NOT mafia This isn't true. We get a lot of info even if he's town side, because a lot of the town is divided in two camps for and against subversion. | ||
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On July 22 2010 07:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: An infundibulum (Latin for funnel; plural, infundibula) is a funnel-shape cavity or organ. 1. chronosynclastic infundibulum n. A point in space where, upon a person entering it, that person's existence in space-time ceases to be linear, becoming discrete. This means that a person that has entered a chronosynclastic infundibulum exists at multiple points and lines in space-time. For example, such a person could exist at all points in time in one place and also appear at another point for five minutes. From Kurt Vonnegut's "The Sirens of Titan." | ||
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So far I haven't seen a single convincing analysis; it just looks like people are voting for him because other people are voting for him. | ||
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I don't see the contradiction between chaoser abstaining and then being against day 1 no lynch. In his abstain post, he said he was abstaining "for now.". Yeah, he doesn't change his vote, but all things considered, him abstaining is less suspicious to me than if he had voted for Hyperbola. Your post summaries from here use some really leading and biased language that I do not think accurately reflects the content of chaoser's posts. Anybody reading those summaries should notice this. These are the important parts of what he said: I'm not 100% clear on my vote yet but I'm watching BrownBear for now. And I also think we should vote double lynch. It's going to be 52 hours till the next lynch give or take, you guys don't think we'll have more than enough information then? and then, later: Also, I'm going to put in my vote for Subversion. So far I don't know how I feel about BrownBear. At first I wanted to vote him. He's been playing badly and didn't do anything day one...<snip>...Subversion's little mafia mistake statement is just weird all in all and was part of that voting block (everyone's already mentioned this) so I'll put my vote on him for now but I'll have to see. Still a full day left. Is there anything wrong with changing your mind after new developments within the thread? Players do it all the time. He even says that he's not sure about keeping his vote on subversion, and that he'll "have to see." It doesn't sound at all to me like he's trying to "push a bandwagon," as you put it. Regarding the accusations forwarded against chaoser, i often found them so muddled and based in strange logic that i wasn't even sure what he was being accused of. All in all, this whole focus on chaoser seems like townie infighting to me. I'm not going to vote for him. | ||
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On July 22 2010 09:07 Subversion wrote: blue in the face i see what you did there | ||
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