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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 25 2010 02:01 GMT
#2341
On July 25 2010 11:00 chaoser wrote:
What do you mean forced? How does that work?


Well okay. But THIS IS AS FAR AS I'LL GO!!!

I knew he was DT, had info from the other circle. Than I confronted him.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 25 2010 02:02 GMT
#2342
EBWOP: Other circle meaning "his circle"
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 25 2010 02:02 GMT
#2343
I can't even tell what's going on anymore because it seems more than half the discussion is going on behind the scenes. These trust circles always dissolve into distrust circles when they aren't based on logical confirmation.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
July 25 2010 02:03 GMT
#2344
Basically, it works like this:

We lynched citi.zen because in doing so, we would find out which he was, and thus Southrawrea would be the other. Of course, we could've done the same thing by lynching Southrawrea, but due to suspicions I, and many others held, along with the advantage of catching a bigger fish, or using the skill of a superior hatter, we decided that citi.zen was the better target.

However, the fact that citi.zen is NOT the MH candidate, makes our choice a mistake. Whereas lynching Southrawrea would've had the same effect; either validating citi.zen and his friend/Tricode, lynching citi.zen means that we still have a third option on the table; namely that citi.zen was a pawn of the GF. And now we can't ask him about it. Not only that, but if this is the case, then the GF knows both detectives.

Or Southrawrea could be mafia.
Or Tricode and Bc could be mafia.

We should've had two choices, but now we still have three.

So here's what we need to do. If citi.zen's MH was the mafia, then we could probably call gg right now, because we're done. At any rate, our detectives should make sure to confide in someone that they trust, because they'll both die. A suicide bomber is likely in this scenario, and that means Southrawrea would die as well, leaving a total of five town deaths and one mafia death in a night.

But because of how bleak this other outlook is, I think we have no choice but to reject it. We can't win the game that way, and so we shouldn't even consider it, and pretend like citi.zen's death has given us the two-pronged choice that we aimed for.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 25 2010 02:03 GMT
#2345
Yeah the behind the scenes is so stupid. That's why I /facepalmed so hard when I found out tree.hugger was telling everyone to vote for subversion via PM a few (read: load) of pages back.
lalala
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 25 2010 02:05 GMT
#2346
On July 25 2010 11:03 tree.hugger wrote:
Basically, it works like this:

We lynched citi.zen because in doing so, we would find out which he was, and thus Southrawrea would be the other. Of course, we could've done the same thing by lynching Southrawrea, but due to suspicions I, and many others held, along with the advantage of catching a bigger fish, or using the skill of a superior hatter, we decided that citi.zen was the better target.

However, the fact that citi.zen is NOT the MH candidate, makes our choice a mistake. Whereas lynching Southrawrea would've had the same effect; either validating citi.zen and his friend/Tricode, lynching citi.zen means that we still have a third option on the table; namely that citi.zen was a pawn of the GF. And now we can't ask him about it. Not only that, but if this is the case, then the GF knows both detectives.

Or Southrawrea could be mafia.
Or Tricode and Bc could be mafia.

We should've had two choices, but now we still have three.

So here's what we need to do. If citi.zen's MH was the mafia, then we could probably call gg right now, because we're done. At any rate, our detectives should make sure to confide in someone that they trust, because they'll both die. A suicide bomber is likely in this scenario, and that means Southrawrea would die as well, leaving a total of five town deaths and one mafia death in a night.

But because of how bleak this other outlook is, I think we have no choice but to reject it. We can't win the game that way, and so we shouldn't even consider it, and pretend like citi.zen's death has given us the two-pronged choice that we aimed for.

If GF was posing as hatter to citi.zen, I'd imagine a red faking DT was involved.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 25 2010 02:05 GMT
#2347
On July 25 2010 11:03 tree.hugger wrote:
Basically, it works like this:

We lynched citi.zen because in doing so, we would find out which he was, and thus Southrawrea would be the other. Of course, we could've done the same thing by lynching Southrawrea, but due to suspicions I, and many others held, along with the advantage of catching a bigger fish, or using the skill of a superior hatter, we decided that citi.zen was the better target.

However, the fact that citi.zen is NOT the MH candidate, makes our choice a mistake. Whereas lynching Southrawrea would've had the same effect; either validating citi.zen and his friend/Tricode, lynching citi.zen means that we still have a third option on the table; namely that citi.zen was a pawn of the GF. And now we can't ask him about it. Not only that, but if this is the case, then the GF knows both detectives.

Or Southrawrea could be mafia.
Or Tricode and Bc could be mafia.

We should've had two choices, but now we still have three.

So here's what we need to do. If citi.zen's MH was the mafia, then we could probably call gg right now, because we're done. At any rate, our detectives should make sure to confide in someone that they trust, because they'll both die. A suicide bomber is likely in this scenario, and that means Southrawrea would die as well, leaving a total of five town deaths and one mafia death in a night.

But because of how bleak this other outlook is, I think we have no choice but to reject it. We can't win the game that way, and so we shouldn't even consider it, and pretend like citi.zen's death has given us the two-pronged choice that we aimed for.

I'm forced to believe that this is a mafia attempt at covering up the situation at hand. I've tried all game to ignore tree.hugger's scummy posts because I had an initial suspicion that he was town which I clearly followed throughout the whole game. If he isn't mafia I just have to /facepalm really hard.

We are following my list, even if I'm being over-excessively loud about it.
lalala
zeks
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada1068 Posts
July 25 2010 02:07 GMT
#2348
Let's blow the real taco stand.

Citi.zen was my mouthpiece.

I am the real mad hatter.

My bombs are on BC and SouthRawrea.

I am missing a medic and a DT. Claim to me if you wish.

I'm right here. Kill me.

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 25 2010 02:07 GMT
#2349
So how many "dt" circles are there? This will help us.
1.Mine
2.Rastabans
3.Citizens

Hmm... any suggestions about how to go from here? Or perhaps we should begin to analyze the posts for/against citizen and compare from previous posts.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 25 2010 02:08 GMT
#2350
On July 25 2010 11:05 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 11:03 tree.hugger wrote:
Basically, it works like this:

We lynched citi.zen because in doing so, we would find out which he was, and thus Southrawrea would be the other. Of course, we could've done the same thing by lynching Southrawrea, but due to suspicions I, and many others held, along with the advantage of catching a bigger fish, or using the skill of a superior hatter, we decided that citi.zen was the better target.

However, the fact that citi.zen is NOT the MH candidate, makes our choice a mistake. Whereas lynching Southrawrea would've had the same effect; either validating citi.zen and his friend/Tricode, lynching citi.zen means that we still have a third option on the table; namely that citi.zen was a pawn of the GF. And now we can't ask him about it. Not only that, but if this is the case, then the GF knows both detectives.

Or Southrawrea could be mafia.
Or Tricode and Bc could be mafia.

We should've had two choices, but now we still have three.

So here's what we need to do. If citi.zen's MH was the mafia, then we could probably call gg right now, because we're done. At any rate, our detectives should make sure to confide in someone that they trust, because they'll both die. A suicide bomber is likely in this scenario, and that means Southrawrea would die as well, leaving a total of five town deaths and one mafia death in a night.

But because of how bleak this other outlook is, I think we have no choice but to reject it. We can't win the game that way, and so we shouldn't even consider it, and pretend like citi.zen's death has given us the two-pronged choice that we aimed for.

If GF was posing as hatter to citi.zen, I'd imagine a red faking DT was involved.

Which means maybe they don't know the DTs. Now, I get it that people went ahead and gave info on DTs to citizen and so he supposedly found 3. But did Citi.zen actually get 3 dt names? or did he just get mouths / people posing as mouths?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 25 2010 02:08 GMT
#2351
On July 25 2010 11:07 zeks wrote:
Let's blow the real taco stand.

Citi.zen was my mouthpiece.

I am the real mad hatter.

My bombs are on BC and SouthRawrea.

I am missing a medic and a DT. Claim to me if you wish.

I'm right here. Kill me.



*facepalm*
Are you serious?
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 25 2010 02:08 GMT
#2352
On July 25 2010 11:08 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 11:07 zeks wrote:
Let's blow the real taco stand.

Citi.zen was my mouthpiece.

I am the real mad hatter.

My bombs are on BC and SouthRawrea.

I am missing a medic and a DT. Claim to me if you wish.

I'm right here. Kill me.



*facepalm*
Are you serious?

You're so screwed.
lalala
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
July 25 2010 02:09 GMT
#2353
Which is why, after tonight, I think we'll know if citi.zen's Mad Hatter was legitimate or not. If all hell doesn't break lose tonight, then citi.zen's Mad Hatter MUST roleclaim, and we should all roleclaim to them. That way, they can put the blues in touch with each other.

If the Mad Hatter in that scenario is killed tonight, then the detective MUST roleclaim. It's that simple. We can confirm these players simply on the basis of necessity.

I would expect counter-claims at this point. I would therefore advise one of the players involved to take measures that would confirm you in the future. I hope you can think of something plausible.

This is our chance.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 25 2010 02:09 GMT
#2354
On July 25 2010 11:08 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 11:08 Pandain wrote:
On July 25 2010 11:07 zeks wrote:
Let's blow the real taco stand.

Citi.zen was my mouthpiece.

I am the real mad hatter.

My bombs are on BC and SouthRawrea.

I am missing a medic and a DT. Claim to me if you wish.

I'm right here. Kill me.



*facepalm*
Are you serious?

You're so screwed.


Hahaha didn't mean that. Young, the sooner you stop trying to paint me as mafia and look at logic, the shorter the embarrasement is going to be after the game.
zeks
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada1068 Posts
July 25 2010 02:10 GMT
#2355
I counter claim SouthRawrea's counter claim

TAKE YOUR PICK
Analyze me down to my bones
Lets do it
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 25 2010 02:10 GMT
#2356
On July 25 2010 11:09 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 11:08 youngminii wrote:
On July 25 2010 11:08 Pandain wrote:
On July 25 2010 11:07 zeks wrote:
Let's blow the real taco stand.

Citi.zen was my mouthpiece.

I am the real mad hatter.

My bombs are on BC and SouthRawrea.

I am missing a medic and a DT. Claim to me if you wish.

I'm right here. Kill me.



*facepalm*
Are you serious?

You're so screwed.


Hahaha didn't mean that. Young, the sooner you stop trying to paint me as mafia and look at logic, the shorter the embarrasement is going to be after the game.

So how are you going to argue your whole "I was working with citi.zen" theory now that someone from his group has claimed?
lalala
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
July 25 2010 02:10 GMT
#2357
On July 25 2010 11:07 zeks wrote:
Let's blow the real taco stand.

Citi.zen was my mouthpiece.

I am the real mad hatter.

My bombs are on BC and SouthRawrea.

I am missing a medic and a DT. Claim to me if you wish.

I'm right here. Kill me.


Oh hell, why?

I was writing my post, goddammit!
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 25 2010 02:11 GMT
#2358
On July 25 2010 11:10 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 11:09 Pandain wrote:
On July 25 2010 11:08 youngminii wrote:
On July 25 2010 11:08 Pandain wrote:
On July 25 2010 11:07 zeks wrote:
Let's blow the real taco stand.

Citi.zen was my mouthpiece.

I am the real mad hatter.

My bombs are on BC and SouthRawrea.

I am missing a medic and a DT. Claim to me if you wish.

I'm right here. Kill me.



*facepalm*
Are you serious?

You're so screwed.


Hahaha didn't mean that. Young, the sooner you stop trying to paint me as mafia and look at logic, the shorter the embarrasement is going to be after the game.

So how are you going to argue your whole "I was working with citi.zen" theory now that someone from his group has claimed?


I doubt Citizen revealed it to his group. Perhaps. Zeks, did he?
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
July 25 2010 02:12 GMT
#2359
On July 25 2010 11:05 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 11:03 tree.hugger wrote:
Basically, it works like this:

We lynched citi.zen because in doing so, we would find out which he was, and thus Southrawrea would be the other. Of course, we could've done the same thing by lynching Southrawrea, but due to suspicions I, and many others held, along with the advantage of catching a bigger fish, or using the skill of a superior hatter, we decided that citi.zen was the better target.

However, the fact that citi.zen is NOT the MH candidate, makes our choice a mistake. Whereas lynching Southrawrea would've had the same effect; either validating citi.zen and his friend/Tricode, lynching citi.zen means that we still have a third option on the table; namely that citi.zen was a pawn of the GF. And now we can't ask him about it. Not only that, but if this is the case, then the GF knows both detectives.

Or Southrawrea could be mafia.
Or Tricode and Bc could be mafia.

We should've had two choices, but now we still have three.

So here's what we need to do. If citi.zen's MH was the mafia, then we could probably call gg right now, because we're done. At any rate, our detectives should make sure to confide in someone that they trust, because they'll both die. A suicide bomber is likely in this scenario, and that means Southrawrea would die as well, leaving a total of five town deaths and one mafia death in a night.

But because of how bleak this other outlook is, I think we have no choice but to reject it. We can't win the game that way, and so we shouldn't even consider it, and pretend like citi.zen's death has given us the two-pronged choice that we aimed for.

I'm forced to believe that this is a mafia attempt at covering up the situation at hand. I've tried all game to ignore tree.hugger's scummy posts because I had an initial suspicion that he was town which I clearly followed throughout the whole game. If he isn't mafia I just have to /facepalm really hard.

We are following my list, even if I'm being over-excessively loud about it.

What am I covering up? What? What about that post is incorrect?
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 25 2010 02:12 GMT
#2360
i just watched the bisu vs pure game, and all i have to way is "WOW"
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