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On July 25 2010 10:42 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 10:38 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On July 25 2010 10:31 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:30 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On July 25 2010 10:27 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:25 chaoser wrote:You can hit me if you want, I'mma flip green. Either way, I'mma go get my popcorn cause youngminii is hellbent on killing me  This is exactly what I am hellbent on doing. I'm just going to be spamming the list until this game ends. BC
SouthRawrea
Chaoser
Infundibuxdlgxcubum
Pandain (Claimed DT)
Amber[Light] (Pandain claimed to have checkd him)
Tree.hugger (moved tree.hugger to the bottom 'cause it's likely he's just bad town) Young, you know that if South is blue, the mafia spread their votes across both lists and let the town fight over the lynch. Sure, yeah okay. I'm serious; stop being a dick. If South is blue then Day 3 was perfect for mafia. They have 1-2 people come out and argue for lynching citizen (someone like BC, tree hugger, or me) and a couple others to start the wagon on South (e.g. you, zeks, or lakrismamma). The town just eats up the bullshit since a mafia was never in danger of getting lynched due to citizen fronting for the mad hatter rather than actually being the mad hatter. Basically the entire duality of Citi/South was thrown because citizen was not the role he said he was, so instead of being at Citi/South/Tricode we're at South/Tricode/Mystery Player. We can still trust citi.zen that the Mystery Player exists, BECAUSE citi.zen flipped green. It's pretty much the same as citi.zen flipping MH except that now it's even better because MH is hidden. We KNOW that it's either South or Tricode that's lying. It's almost definite that South is lying and you're backing him up with a whole host of other scum. If South ends up flipping blue, oh damn well we've got Tricode. Also, I apologise for being a dick, I guess I'm just happy that mafia are cornered and I don't want anything to jeopardise the win.
No, because Mystery Player could be the liar. it could be the Godfather posing as Mad Hatter, for example.
How does South being blue implicate Tricode though? Sorry if i've missed something earlier. It seems to me if South is blue we've surely done fucked ourselves.
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On July 25 2010 10:44 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 10:42 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:39 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:35 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:30 youngminii wrote:
'logical play', okay. This is the most far fetched story I've ever seen come out of a mafia game and I don't care if you're green/blue/red at this point. The majority of the people on the list make up mafia and if you need to be sacrificed to get rid of that entire list, then so be it. On July 25 2010 10:29 youngminii wrote:Oh crap I didn't even think of being modkilled for spamming  Okay I guess I could ease up a bit . In any case, I'd like the Mad Hatter to place their bombs on people on this list (not the top because we're hopefully lynching them the next day) so maybe put bombs on people at the bottom of the list? On July 25 2010 10:24 youngminii wrote:
Don't worry at this rate we'll win. Don't play as if you're trying to cover up for the current list of scum (which is what this post appears to be doing). You'll be my next scum suspect if the current list doesn't catch all scum. Seriouslly, wtf man. It's been 5 minutes and look at everything you're saying "MUST BE DONE!" Read, think,evaluate. Dont rush to conclusions and rash plans. No, we've already come to a conclusion and a well defined plan that was formed even before citi.zen died. The only thing that could possibly come out of 'reading thinking evaluating' and wasting anymore time is that scum could post up alternate theories and back each other up which will pollute the mind of the newbie/inactive townies leading to a change in momentum from pressure on mafia to another wasted lynch. The list I am spamming is the only plan we should follow and that is that. No. Shut up. I'm sorry, you're going to ruin the game if you keep acting like this. Your theories are not fact. Stop thinking that you can already know what the answer is 5 minutes in. And the only thing that can come out of reading thinking and evaluating is a reasonable, logical thing. Listen to yourself. "MUST NOT THINK, MUST GO ALONG WITH PLAN NO MATTER WHAT". I know you think you've won and "saved the day" but you haven't man. If anything your going to ruin it. Really, I've yet to come across anyone giving a reasonable counter explanation. No, I do not count your "we were working with citi.zen, but for some reason citi.zen didn't say anything about it to anyone" theory as a reasonable explanation. I know I'm being loud because people DO need it drilled through their heads that this list will win the game. Lots of people are too easily swayed by mafia and they will do anything to shine a bad light on me etc.
If pandains claim is legit, he would have a copy of pm's no? I am guessing as would citizen's people.
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On July 25 2010 10:43 tree.hugger wrote:
You have these abilities in varying qualities, but you don't have the most important trait in mafia, which is patience, and cool headedness.
I'm going to go ahead and agree with you here.
In any case, @BC I had already warned Pandain that I would reveal him and he seemed to accept that just fine. He claims he was 'working' with citi.zen yet he goes ahead and convinces everyone to vote for him. His play (we've been PMing since day 1) has been sloppy and even if he was DT, it isn't necessary anymore to win.
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On July 25 2010 10:44 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 10:42 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:39 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:35 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:30 youngminii wrote:
'logical play', okay. This is the most far fetched story I've ever seen come out of a mafia game and I don't care if you're green/blue/red at this point. The majority of the people on the list make up mafia and if you need to be sacrificed to get rid of that entire list, then so be it. On July 25 2010 10:29 youngminii wrote:Oh crap I didn't even think of being modkilled for spamming Okay I guess I could ease up a bit . In any case, I'd like the Mad Hatter to place their bombs on people on this list (not the top because we're hopefully lynching them the next day) so maybe put bombs on people at the bottom of the list? On July 25 2010 10:24 youngminii wrote:
Don't worry at this rate we'll win. Don't play as if you're trying to cover up for the current list of scum (which is what this post appears to be doing). You'll be my next scum suspect if the current list doesn't catch all scum. Seriouslly, wtf man. It's been 5 minutes and look at everything you're saying "MUST BE DONE!" Read, think,evaluate. Dont rush to conclusions and rash plans. No, we've already come to a conclusion and a well defined plan that was formed even before citi.zen died. The only thing that could possibly come out of 'reading thinking evaluating' and wasting anymore time is that scum could post up alternate theories and back each other up which will pollute the mind of the newbie/inactive townies leading to a change in momentum from pressure on mafia to another wasted lynch. The list I am spamming is the only plan we should follow and that is that. No. Shut up. I'm sorry, you're going to ruin the game if you keep acting like this. Your theories are not fact. Stop thinking that you can already know what the answer is 5 minutes in. And the only thing that can come out of reading thinking and evaluating is a reasonable, logical thing. Listen to yourself. "MUST NOT THINK, MUST GO ALONG WITH PLAN NO MATTER WHAT". I know you think you've won and "saved the day" but you haven't man. If anything your going to ruin it. Really, I've yet to come across anyone giving a reasonable counter explanation. No, I do not count your "we were working with citi.zen, but for some reason citi.zen didn't say anything about it to anyone" theory as a reasonable explanation. I know I'm being loud because people DO need it drilled through their heads that this list will win the game. Lots of people are too easily swayed by mafia and they will do anything to shine a bad light on me etc.
Wtf that is such a convuluted version of my story. In case I actually misled any of you, I'll say it again.
I find, through means I'm not going to tell, that ??? is DT. Now, ??? tells me he checked young and amber. Both are green. However, up to that point, and still up to THIS point, youngmini had been acting very rash, and rough, possibly anti town. Therefore, we were afraid young was GF.
Then here I am, Funkmaster K, and I'm like "Hey, I'll pretend to be DT to youngmini. If I die this night, young is probably GF and you can bust him. If I don't, we can trust him!"
There. Any more questions?
Also: Being loud doesn't mean your right -.-
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On July 25 2010 10:38 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 10:31 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:30 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On July 25 2010 10:27 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:25 chaoser wrote:You can hit me if you want, I'mma flip green. Either way, I'mma go get my popcorn cause youngminii is hellbent on killing me This is exactly what I am hellbent on doing. I'm just going to be spamming the list until this game ends. BC
SouthRawrea
Chaoser
Infundibuxdlgxcubum
Pandain (Claimed DT)
Amber[Light] (Pandain claimed to have checkd him)
Tree.hugger (moved tree.hugger to the bottom 'cause it's likely he's just bad town) Young, you know that if South is blue, the mafia spread their votes across both lists and let the town fight over the lynch. Sure, yeah okay. I'm serious; stop being a dick. If South is blue then Day 3 was perfect for mafia. They have 1-2 people come out and argue for lynching citizen (someone like BC, tree hugger, or me) and a couple others to start the wagon on South (e.g. you, zeks, or lakrismamma). The town just eats up the bullshit since a mafia was never in danger of getting lynched due to citizen fronting for the mad hatter rather than actually being the mad hatter. Basically the entire duality of Citi/South was thrown because citizen was not the role he said he was, so instead of being at Citi/South/Tricode we're at South/Tricode/Mystery Player.
Exactly, there's no way citi.zen could have known for sure that he was mouthing for a real hatter. Even if a DT was involved, this mystery player could be GF. How likely is it that this mystery player is GF? I can't even speculate or offer my expertise on this because I don't know who it is since I'm not in the divine secret circle of the go.go brotherhood. Could be a mafia faking dt and a mafia faking hatter coming together to guess citizen as green based on high activity. Or maybe they are using one of the DTs to do role checks for them, given that our blues seem to be acting looser than fat emo girls right now.
It could be that mafia was threatened by Tricode claiming and used citizen to create a situation with three innocents claiming. Maybe they came up with whatever faulty reasoning citizen was using to claim as hatter rather than mouth. Maybe the secret town plan accounts for all this, but I wouldn't know. This would be a lot less complicated, with a lot less WIFOM to get lost in if townies didn't lie.
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On July 25 2010 10:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 10:44 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:42 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:39 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:35 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:30 youngminii wrote:
'logical play', okay. This is the most far fetched story I've ever seen come out of a mafia game and I don't care if you're green/blue/red at this point. The majority of the people on the list make up mafia and if you need to be sacrificed to get rid of that entire list, then so be it. On July 25 2010 10:29 youngminii wrote:Oh crap I didn't even think of being modkilled for spamming Okay I guess I could ease up a bit . In any case, I'd like the Mad Hatter to place their bombs on people on this list (not the top because we're hopefully lynching them the next day) so maybe put bombs on people at the bottom of the list? On July 25 2010 10:24 youngminii wrote:
Don't worry at this rate we'll win. Don't play as if you're trying to cover up for the current list of scum (which is what this post appears to be doing). You'll be my next scum suspect if the current list doesn't catch all scum. Seriouslly, wtf man. It's been 5 minutes and look at everything you're saying "MUST BE DONE!" Read, think,evaluate. Dont rush to conclusions and rash plans. No, we've already come to a conclusion and a well defined plan that was formed even before citi.zen died. The only thing that could possibly come out of 'reading thinking evaluating' and wasting anymore time is that scum could post up alternate theories and back each other up which will pollute the mind of the newbie/inactive townies leading to a change in momentum from pressure on mafia to another wasted lynch. The list I am spamming is the only plan we should follow and that is that. No. Shut up. I'm sorry, you're going to ruin the game if you keep acting like this. Your theories are not fact. Stop thinking that you can already know what the answer is 5 minutes in. And the only thing that can come out of reading thinking and evaluating is a reasonable, logical thing. Listen to yourself. "MUST NOT THINK, MUST GO ALONG WITH PLAN NO MATTER WHAT". I know you think you've won and "saved the day" but you haven't man. If anything your going to ruin it. Really, I've yet to come across anyone giving a reasonable counter explanation. No, I do not count your "we were working with citi.zen, but for some reason citi.zen didn't say anything about it to anyone" theory as a reasonable explanation. I know I'm being loud because people DO need it drilled through their heads that this list will win the game. Lots of people are too easily swayed by mafia and they will do anything to shine a bad light on me etc. If pandains claim is legit, he would have a copy of pm's no? I am guessing as would citizen's people.
Citizen knows I was. I kept it vague so he wouldn't find out who the DT was though.
Also: Which PM's do you want.
also I repeat: If we are going to get ANYTHING done, we are going to have to be calm, and patient. We have 24 hours people. Let's analyze the information.
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On July 25 2010 10:47 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 10:43 tree.hugger wrote:
You have these abilities in varying qualities, but you don't have the most important trait in mafia, which is patience, and cool headedness.
I'm going to go ahead and agree with you here. In any case, @BC I had already warned Pandain that I would reveal him and he seemed to accept that just fine. He claims he was 'working' with citi.zen yet he goes ahead and convinces everyone to vote for him. His play (we've been PMing since day 1) has been sloppy and even if he was DT, it isn't necessary anymore to win.
The issue being, hes claiming you were checked by DT and claiming dt mouth, your claiming hes mafia who fake claimed. IF hes town that would in turn almost guarentee your guilt.
He is new however and his play may have been sloppy, but your not doing much better.
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On July 25 2010 10:49 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 10:44 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:42 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:39 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:35 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:30 youngminii wrote:
'logical play', okay. This is the most far fetched story I've ever seen come out of a mafia game and I don't care if you're green/blue/red at this point. The majority of the people on the list make up mafia and if you need to be sacrificed to get rid of that entire list, then so be it. On July 25 2010 10:29 youngminii wrote:Oh crap I didn't even think of being modkilled for spamming Okay I guess I could ease up a bit . In any case, I'd like the Mad Hatter to place their bombs on people on this list (not the top because we're hopefully lynching them the next day) so maybe put bombs on people at the bottom of the list? On July 25 2010 10:24 youngminii wrote:
Don't worry at this rate we'll win. Don't play as if you're trying to cover up for the current list of scum (which is what this post appears to be doing). You'll be my next scum suspect if the current list doesn't catch all scum. Seriouslly, wtf man. It's been 5 minutes and look at everything you're saying "MUST BE DONE!" Read, think,evaluate. Dont rush to conclusions and rash plans. No, we've already come to a conclusion and a well defined plan that was formed even before citi.zen died. The only thing that could possibly come out of 'reading thinking evaluating' and wasting anymore time is that scum could post up alternate theories and back each other up which will pollute the mind of the newbie/inactive townies leading to a change in momentum from pressure on mafia to another wasted lynch. The list I am spamming is the only plan we should follow and that is that. No. Shut up. I'm sorry, you're going to ruin the game if you keep acting like this. Your theories are not fact. Stop thinking that you can already know what the answer is 5 minutes in. And the only thing that can come out of reading thinking and evaluating is a reasonable, logical thing. Listen to yourself. "MUST NOT THINK, MUST GO ALONG WITH PLAN NO MATTER WHAT". I know you think you've won and "saved the day" but you haven't man. If anything your going to ruin it. Really, I've yet to come across anyone giving a reasonable counter explanation. No, I do not count your "we were working with citi.zen, but for some reason citi.zen didn't say anything about it to anyone" theory as a reasonable explanation. I know I'm being loud because people DO need it drilled through their heads that this list will win the game. Lots of people are too easily swayed by mafia and they will do anything to shine a bad light on me etc. Wtf that is such a convuluted version of my story. In case I actually misled any of you, I'll say it again. I find, through means I'm not going to tell, that ??? is DT. Now, ??? tells me he checked young and amber. Both are green. However, up to that point, and still up to THIS point, youngmini had been acting very rash, and rough, possibly anti town. Therefore, we were afraid young was GF. Then here I am, Funkmaster K, and I'm like "Hey, I'll pretend to be DT to youngmini. If I die this night, young is probably GF and you can bust him. If I don't, we can trust him!" There. Any more questions? Also: Being loud doesn't mean your right -.-
If you listen carefully you can hear the soft reasonings behind my loudness.
And yeah that theory makes no sense, It's Night 3 now and you're claiming DT has already checked 3 times (me, you and amber). You just made the same mistake citi.zen did last game by slipping up your claim. You are now 100% red in my eyes.
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On July 25 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 10:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 25 2010 10:44 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:42 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:39 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:35 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:30 youngminii wrote:
'logical play', okay. This is the most far fetched story I've ever seen come out of a mafia game and I don't care if you're green/blue/red at this point. The majority of the people on the list make up mafia and if you need to be sacrificed to get rid of that entire list, then so be it. On July 25 2010 10:29 youngminii wrote:Oh crap I didn't even think of being modkilled for spamming Okay I guess I could ease up a bit . In any case, I'd like the Mad Hatter to place their bombs on people on this list (not the top because we're hopefully lynching them the next day) so maybe put bombs on people at the bottom of the list? On July 25 2010 10:24 youngminii wrote:
Don't worry at this rate we'll win. Don't play as if you're trying to cover up for the current list of scum (which is what this post appears to be doing). You'll be my next scum suspect if the current list doesn't catch all scum. Seriouslly, wtf man. It's been 5 minutes and look at everything you're saying "MUST BE DONE!" Read, think,evaluate. Dont rush to conclusions and rash plans. No, we've already come to a conclusion and a well defined plan that was formed even before citi.zen died. The only thing that could possibly come out of 'reading thinking evaluating' and wasting anymore time is that scum could post up alternate theories and back each other up which will pollute the mind of the newbie/inactive townies leading to a change in momentum from pressure on mafia to another wasted lynch. The list I am spamming is the only plan we should follow and that is that. No. Shut up. I'm sorry, you're going to ruin the game if you keep acting like this. Your theories are not fact. Stop thinking that you can already know what the answer is 5 minutes in. And the only thing that can come out of reading thinking and evaluating is a reasonable, logical thing. Listen to yourself. "MUST NOT THINK, MUST GO ALONG WITH PLAN NO MATTER WHAT". I know you think you've won and "saved the day" but you haven't man. If anything your going to ruin it. Really, I've yet to come across anyone giving a reasonable counter explanation. No, I do not count your "we were working with citi.zen, but for some reason citi.zen didn't say anything about it to anyone" theory as a reasonable explanation. I know I'm being loud because people DO need it drilled through their heads that this list will win the game. Lots of people are too easily swayed by mafia and they will do anything to shine a bad light on me etc. If pandains claim is legit, he would have a copy of pm's no? I am guessing as would citizen's people. Citizen knows I was. I kept it vague so he wouldn't find out who the DT was though. Also: Which PM's do you want. also I repeat: If we are going to get ANYTHING done, we are going to have to be calm, and patient. We have 24 hours people. Let's analyze the information.
The ones you sent back and forth with citizen about YM would most likely be the ideal ones, as he would have sent those most likely into his own circle.
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On July 25 2010 10:51 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 10:49 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:44 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:42 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:39 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:35 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:30 youngminii wrote:
'logical play', okay. This is the most far fetched story I've ever seen come out of a mafia game and I don't care if you're green/blue/red at this point. The majority of the people on the list make up mafia and if you need to be sacrificed to get rid of that entire list, then so be it. On July 25 2010 10:29 youngminii wrote:Oh crap I didn't even think of being modkilled for spamming Okay I guess I could ease up a bit . In any case, I'd like the Mad Hatter to place their bombs on people on this list (not the top because we're hopefully lynching them the next day) so maybe put bombs on people at the bottom of the list? On July 25 2010 10:24 youngminii wrote:
Don't worry at this rate we'll win. Don't play as if you're trying to cover up for the current list of scum (which is what this post appears to be doing). You'll be my next scum suspect if the current list doesn't catch all scum. Seriouslly, wtf man. It's been 5 minutes and look at everything you're saying "MUST BE DONE!" Read, think,evaluate. Dont rush to conclusions and rash plans. No, we've already come to a conclusion and a well defined plan that was formed even before citi.zen died. The only thing that could possibly come out of 'reading thinking evaluating' and wasting anymore time is that scum could post up alternate theories and back each other up which will pollute the mind of the newbie/inactive townies leading to a change in momentum from pressure on mafia to another wasted lynch. The list I am spamming is the only plan we should follow and that is that. No. Shut up. I'm sorry, you're going to ruin the game if you keep acting like this. Your theories are not fact. Stop thinking that you can already know what the answer is 5 minutes in. And the only thing that can come out of reading thinking and evaluating is a reasonable, logical thing. Listen to yourself. "MUST NOT THINK, MUST GO ALONG WITH PLAN NO MATTER WHAT". I know you think you've won and "saved the day" but you haven't man. If anything your going to ruin it. Really, I've yet to come across anyone giving a reasonable counter explanation. No, I do not count your "we were working with citi.zen, but for some reason citi.zen didn't say anything about it to anyone" theory as a reasonable explanation. I know I'm being loud because people DO need it drilled through their heads that this list will win the game. Lots of people are too easily swayed by mafia and they will do anything to shine a bad light on me etc. Wtf that is such a convuluted version of my story. In case I actually misled any of you, I'll say it again. I find, through means I'm not going to tell, that ??? is DT. Now, ??? tells me he checked young and amber. Both are green. However, up to that point, and still up to THIS point, youngmini had been acting very rash, and rough, possibly anti town. Therefore, we were afraid young was GF. Then here I am, Funkmaster K, and I'm like "Hey, I'll pretend to be DT to youngmini. If I die this night, young is probably GF and you can bust him. If I don't, we can trust him!" There. Any more questions? Also: Being loud doesn't mean your right -.- If you listen carefully you can hear the soft reasonings behind my loudness. And yeah that theory makes no sense, It's Night 3 now and you're claiming DT has already checked 3 times (me, you and amber). You just made the same mistake citi.zen did last game by slipping up your claim. You are now 100% red in my eyes.
I never said he checked me.
I think this is going to be flame war soon.
<--- Getting bit angry.
I'll try to let other people defend me unless everyone starts believing young.
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On July 25 2010 10:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 10:47 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:43 tree.hugger wrote:
You have these abilities in varying qualities, but you don't have the most important trait in mafia, which is patience, and cool headedness.
I'm going to go ahead and agree with you here. In any case, @BC I had already warned Pandain that I would reveal him and he seemed to accept that just fine. He claims he was 'working' with citi.zen yet he goes ahead and convinces everyone to vote for him. His play (we've been PMing since day 1) has been sloppy and even if he was DT, it isn't necessary anymore to win. The issue being, hes claiming you were checked by DT and claiming dt mouth, your claiming hes mafia who fake claimed. IF hes town that would in turn almost guarentee your guilt. He is new however and his play may have been sloppy, but your not doing much better.
You are refusing to read the information I am giving out. I have more than enough reason to believe he's fake claiming including his claim that he was working with citi.zen and all the other stuff he's been feeding me for the past few days.
Also his reluctance to change his vote from citi.zen to SouthRawrea.
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On July 25 2010 10:51 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 10:49 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:44 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:42 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:39 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:35 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:30 youngminii wrote:
'logical play', okay. This is the most far fetched story I've ever seen come out of a mafia game and I don't care if you're green/blue/red at this point. The majority of the people on the list make up mafia and if you need to be sacrificed to get rid of that entire list, then so be it. On July 25 2010 10:29 youngminii wrote:Oh crap I didn't even think of being modkilled for spamming Okay I guess I could ease up a bit . In any case, I'd like the Mad Hatter to place their bombs on people on this list (not the top because we're hopefully lynching them the next day) so maybe put bombs on people at the bottom of the list? On July 25 2010 10:24 youngminii wrote:
Don't worry at this rate we'll win. Don't play as if you're trying to cover up for the current list of scum (which is what this post appears to be doing). You'll be my next scum suspect if the current list doesn't catch all scum. Seriouslly, wtf man. It's been 5 minutes and look at everything you're saying "MUST BE DONE!" Read, think,evaluate. Dont rush to conclusions and rash plans. No, we've already come to a conclusion and a well defined plan that was formed even before citi.zen died. The only thing that could possibly come out of 'reading thinking evaluating' and wasting anymore time is that scum could post up alternate theories and back each other up which will pollute the mind of the newbie/inactive townies leading to a change in momentum from pressure on mafia to another wasted lynch. The list I am spamming is the only plan we should follow and that is that. No. Shut up. I'm sorry, you're going to ruin the game if you keep acting like this. Your theories are not fact. Stop thinking that you can already know what the answer is 5 minutes in. And the only thing that can come out of reading thinking and evaluating is a reasonable, logical thing. Listen to yourself. "MUST NOT THINK, MUST GO ALONG WITH PLAN NO MATTER WHAT". I know you think you've won and "saved the day" but you haven't man. If anything your going to ruin it. Really, I've yet to come across anyone giving a reasonable counter explanation. No, I do not count your "we were working with citi.zen, but for some reason citi.zen didn't say anything about it to anyone" theory as a reasonable explanation. I know I'm being loud because people DO need it drilled through their heads that this list will win the game. Lots of people are too easily swayed by mafia and they will do anything to shine a bad light on me etc. Wtf that is such a convuluted version of my story. In case I actually misled any of you, I'll say it again. I find, through means I'm not going to tell, that ??? is DT. Now, ??? tells me he checked young and amber. Both are green. However, up to that point, and still up to THIS point, youngmini had been acting very rash, and rough, possibly anti town. Therefore, we were afraid young was GF. Then here I am, Funkmaster K, and I'm like "Hey, I'll pretend to be DT to youngmini. If I die this night, young is probably GF and you can bust him. If I don't, we can trust him!" There. Any more questions? Also: Being loud doesn't mean your right -.- If you listen carefully you can hear the soft reasonings behind my loudness. And yeah that theory makes no sense, It's Night 3 now and you're claiming DT has already checked 3 times (me, you and amber). You just made the same mistake citi.zen did last game by slipping up your claim. You are now 100% red in my eyes.
I can't believe you're actually going to roll with this mysterious DT like you aren't getting away with anything.
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On July 25 2010 10:53 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 10:51 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:49 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:44 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:42 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:39 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:35 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:30 youngminii wrote:
'logical play', okay. This is the most far fetched story I've ever seen come out of a mafia game and I don't care if you're green/blue/red at this point. The majority of the people on the list make up mafia and if you need to be sacrificed to get rid of that entire list, then so be it. On July 25 2010 10:29 youngminii wrote:Oh crap I didn't even think of being modkilled for spamming Okay I guess I could ease up a bit . In any case, I'd like the Mad Hatter to place their bombs on people on this list (not the top because we're hopefully lynching them the next day) so maybe put bombs on people at the bottom of the list? On July 25 2010 10:24 youngminii wrote:
Don't worry at this rate we'll win. Don't play as if you're trying to cover up for the current list of scum (which is what this post appears to be doing). You'll be my next scum suspect if the current list doesn't catch all scum. Seriouslly, wtf man. It's been 5 minutes and look at everything you're saying "MUST BE DONE!" Read, think,evaluate. Dont rush to conclusions and rash plans. No, we've already come to a conclusion and a well defined plan that was formed even before citi.zen died. The only thing that could possibly come out of 'reading thinking evaluating' and wasting anymore time is that scum could post up alternate theories and back each other up which will pollute the mind of the newbie/inactive townies leading to a change in momentum from pressure on mafia to another wasted lynch. The list I am spamming is the only plan we should follow and that is that. No. Shut up. I'm sorry, you're going to ruin the game if you keep acting like this. Your theories are not fact. Stop thinking that you can already know what the answer is 5 minutes in. And the only thing that can come out of reading thinking and evaluating is a reasonable, logical thing. Listen to yourself. "MUST NOT THINK, MUST GO ALONG WITH PLAN NO MATTER WHAT". I know you think you've won and "saved the day" but you haven't man. If anything your going to ruin it. Really, I've yet to come across anyone giving a reasonable counter explanation. No, I do not count your "we were working with citi.zen, but for some reason citi.zen didn't say anything about it to anyone" theory as a reasonable explanation. I know I'm being loud because people DO need it drilled through their heads that this list will win the game. Lots of people are too easily swayed by mafia and they will do anything to shine a bad light on me etc. Wtf that is such a convuluted version of my story. In case I actually misled any of you, I'll say it again. I find, through means I'm not going to tell, that ??? is DT. Now, ??? tells me he checked young and amber. Both are green. However, up to that point, and still up to THIS point, youngmini had been acting very rash, and rough, possibly anti town. Therefore, we were afraid young was GF. Then here I am, Funkmaster K, and I'm like "Hey, I'll pretend to be DT to youngmini. If I die this night, young is probably GF and you can bust him. If I don't, we can trust him!" There. Any more questions? Also: Being loud doesn't mean your right -.- If you listen carefully you can hear the soft reasonings behind my loudness. And yeah that theory makes no sense, It's Night 3 now and you're claiming DT has already checked 3 times (me, you and amber). You just made the same mistake citi.zen did last game by slipping up your claim. You are now 100% red in my eyes. I never said he checked me. I think this is going to be flame war soon. <--- Getting bit angry. I'll try to let other people defend me unless everyone starts believing young.
So now you're claiming your DT came up to you and told you all this information without having even confirmed you? Even when he already had 2 people to trust? Bad theory is bad.
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On July 25 2010 10:51 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 10:49 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:44 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:42 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:39 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:35 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:30 youngminii wrote:
'logical play', okay. This is the most far fetched story I've ever seen come out of a mafia game and I don't care if you're green/blue/red at this point. The majority of the people on the list make up mafia and if you need to be sacrificed to get rid of that entire list, then so be it. On July 25 2010 10:29 youngminii wrote:Oh crap I didn't even think of being modkilled for spamming Okay I guess I could ease up a bit . In any case, I'd like the Mad Hatter to place their bombs on people on this list (not the top because we're hopefully lynching them the next day) so maybe put bombs on people at the bottom of the list? On July 25 2010 10:24 youngminii wrote:
Don't worry at this rate we'll win. Don't play as if you're trying to cover up for the current list of scum (which is what this post appears to be doing). You'll be my next scum suspect if the current list doesn't catch all scum. Seriouslly, wtf man. It's been 5 minutes and look at everything you're saying "MUST BE DONE!" Read, think,evaluate. Dont rush to conclusions and rash plans. No, we've already come to a conclusion and a well defined plan that was formed even before citi.zen died. The only thing that could possibly come out of 'reading thinking evaluating' and wasting anymore time is that scum could post up alternate theories and back each other up which will pollute the mind of the newbie/inactive townies leading to a change in momentum from pressure on mafia to another wasted lynch. The list I am spamming is the only plan we should follow and that is that. No. Shut up. I'm sorry, you're going to ruin the game if you keep acting like this. Your theories are not fact. Stop thinking that you can already know what the answer is 5 minutes in. And the only thing that can come out of reading thinking and evaluating is a reasonable, logical thing. Listen to yourself. "MUST NOT THINK, MUST GO ALONG WITH PLAN NO MATTER WHAT". I know you think you've won and "saved the day" but you haven't man. If anything your going to ruin it. Really, I've yet to come across anyone giving a reasonable counter explanation. No, I do not count your "we were working with citi.zen, but for some reason citi.zen didn't say anything about it to anyone" theory as a reasonable explanation. I know I'm being loud because people DO need it drilled through their heads that this list will win the game. Lots of people are too easily swayed by mafia and they will do anything to shine a bad light on me etc. Wtf that is such a convuluted version of my story. In case I actually misled any of you, I'll say it again. I find, through means I'm not going to tell, that ??? is DT. Now, ??? tells me he checked young and amber. Both are green. However, up to that point, and still up to THIS point, youngmini had been acting very rash, and rough, possibly anti town. Therefore, we were afraid young was GF. Then here I am, Funkmaster K, and I'm like "Hey, I'll pretend to be DT to youngmini. If I die this night, young is probably GF and you can bust him. If I don't, we can trust him!" There. Any more questions? Also: Being loud doesn't mean your right -.- If you listen carefully you can hear the soft reasonings behind my loudness. And yeah that theory makes no sense, It's Night 3 now and you're claiming DT has already checked 3 times (me, you and amber). You just made the same mistake citi.zen did last game by slipping up your claim. You are now 100% red in my eyes.
DT can only have checked 2 times by now in case anyone doesn't get that.
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Well, there is no counter-claim to me. Him, I have no clue. 50% chance he is the "fake" Dt rep. You are stranger and stranger with every message.
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T_T
caught again.
Honestly not sure how to respond just because you and him might be mafia. But then again, all this ever did was plan to see if youngmini was GF. Let's just say that youngmini doesn't know who the real DT is.
faaack word slip..
Of course if you and him are both mafia that plan goes to null :/.
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was*
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<--- confused about that sentence.
"he only said he as the dt rep."
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Interesting, he only said he as the DT rep.
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Nah I'm just part of a trust circle. Youngmini's.
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Just to be clear: you are saying you are a DT?
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The people who claimed dt.
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Who is "us"?
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Heh doesn't matter. It was in regards to something else. Yeah, one of us is mafia. My previous thing doesn't mean anything.
But damn, I knew it was a good plan but this far?
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Just happened. The mafia is digging themselves deeper.
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If a triple claim happens PM me first. I'm going to remain purposely vague
The triple claim thing was a thing where I was afraid ??? had accidently pmed citizen first.
Than young said "Hey, I'm going to pm citizen"
What could I do? Had to think quick, couldn't just say no without reason.
The original plan was that Citizen would be pmed by young, and than I would get the info. Then I would send it to DT.
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On July 25 2010 10:55 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 10:53 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:51 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:49 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:44 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:42 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:39 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:35 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:30 youngminii wrote:
'logical play', okay. This is the most far fetched story I've ever seen come out of a mafia game and I don't care if you're green/blue/red at this point. The majority of the people on the list make up mafia and if you need to be sacrificed to get rid of that entire list, then so be it. On July 25 2010 10:29 youngminii wrote:Oh crap I didn't even think of being modkilled for spamming Okay I guess I could ease up a bit . In any case, I'd like the Mad Hatter to place their bombs on people on this list (not the top because we're hopefully lynching them the next day) so maybe put bombs on people at the bottom of the list? On July 25 2010 10:24 youngminii wrote:
Don't worry at this rate we'll win. Don't play as if you're trying to cover up for the current list of scum (which is what this post appears to be doing). You'll be my next scum suspect if the current list doesn't catch all scum. Seriouslly, wtf man. It's been 5 minutes and look at everything you're saying "MUST BE DONE!" Read, think,evaluate. Dont rush to conclusions and rash plans. No, we've already come to a conclusion and a well defined plan that was formed even before citi.zen died. The only thing that could possibly come out of 'reading thinking evaluating' and wasting anymore time is that scum could post up alternate theories and back each other up which will pollute the mind of the newbie/inactive townies leading to a change in momentum from pressure on mafia to another wasted lynch. The list I am spamming is the only plan we should follow and that is that. No. Shut up. I'm sorry, you're going to ruin the game if you keep acting like this. Your theories are not fact. Stop thinking that you can already know what the answer is 5 minutes in. And the only thing that can come out of reading thinking and evaluating is a reasonable, logical thing. Listen to yourself. "MUST NOT THINK, MUST GO ALONG WITH PLAN NO MATTER WHAT". I know you think you've won and "saved the day" but you haven't man. If anything your going to ruin it. Really, I've yet to come across anyone giving a reasonable counter explanation. No, I do not count your "we were working with citi.zen, but for some reason citi.zen didn't say anything about it to anyone" theory as a reasonable explanation. I know I'm being loud because people DO need it drilled through their heads that this list will win the game. Lots of people are too easily swayed by mafia and they will do anything to shine a bad light on me etc. Wtf that is such a convuluted version of my story. In case I actually misled any of you, I'll say it again. I find, through means I'm not going to tell, that ??? is DT. Now, ??? tells me he checked young and amber. Both are green. However, up to that point, and still up to THIS point, youngmini had been acting very rash, and rough, possibly anti town. Therefore, we were afraid young was GF. Then here I am, Funkmaster K, and I'm like "Hey, I'll pretend to be DT to youngmini. If I die this night, young is probably GF and you can bust him. If I don't, we can trust him!" There. Any more questions? Also: Being loud doesn't mean your right -.- If you listen carefully you can hear the soft reasonings behind my loudness. And yeah that theory makes no sense, It's Night 3 now and you're claiming DT has already checked 3 times (me, you and amber). You just made the same mistake citi.zen did last game by slipping up your claim. You are now 100% red in my eyes. I never said he checked me. I think this is going to be flame war soon. <--- Getting bit angry. I'll try to let other people defend me unless everyone starts believing young. So now you're claiming your DT came up to you and told you all this information without having even confirmed you? Even when he already had 2 people to trust? Bad theory is bad.
Let's just say I forced it out of him.  and no, he had one. And that person I had already been in contact with. I'm not going to say much more about this in depth just because I don't want to reveal to much. Have to talk it over.
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On July 25 2010 10:53 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 10:51 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:49 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:44 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:42 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:39 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:35 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:30 youngminii wrote:
'logical play', okay. This is the most far fetched story I've ever seen come out of a mafia game and I don't care if you're green/blue/red at this point. The majority of the people on the list make up mafia and if you need to be sacrificed to get rid of that entire list, then so be it. On July 25 2010 10:29 youngminii wrote:Oh crap I didn't even think of being modkilled for spamming Okay I guess I could ease up a bit . In any case, I'd like the Mad Hatter to place their bombs on people on this list (not the top because we're hopefully lynching them the next day) so maybe put bombs on people at the bottom of the list? On July 25 2010 10:24 youngminii wrote:
Don't worry at this rate we'll win. Don't play as if you're trying to cover up for the current list of scum (which is what this post appears to be doing). You'll be my next scum suspect if the current list doesn't catch all scum. Seriouslly, wtf man. It's been 5 minutes and look at everything you're saying "MUST BE DONE!" Read, think,evaluate. Dont rush to conclusions and rash plans. No, we've already come to a conclusion and a well defined plan that was formed even before citi.zen died. The only thing that could possibly come out of 'reading thinking evaluating' and wasting anymore time is that scum could post up alternate theories and back each other up which will pollute the mind of the newbie/inactive townies leading to a change in momentum from pressure on mafia to another wasted lynch. The list I am spamming is the only plan we should follow and that is that. No. Shut up. I'm sorry, you're going to ruin the game if you keep acting like this. Your theories are not fact. Stop thinking that you can already know what the answer is 5 minutes in. And the only thing that can come out of reading thinking and evaluating is a reasonable, logical thing. Listen to yourself. "MUST NOT THINK, MUST GO ALONG WITH PLAN NO MATTER WHAT". I know you think you've won and "saved the day" but you haven't man. If anything your going to ruin it. Really, I've yet to come across anyone giving a reasonable counter explanation. No, I do not count your "we were working with citi.zen, but for some reason citi.zen didn't say anything about it to anyone" theory as a reasonable explanation. I know I'm being loud because people DO need it drilled through their heads that this list will win the game. Lots of people are too easily swayed by mafia and they will do anything to shine a bad light on me etc. Wtf that is such a convuluted version of my story. In case I actually misled any of you, I'll say it again. I find, through means I'm not going to tell, that ??? is DT. Now, ??? tells me he checked young and amber. Both are green. However, up to that point, and still up to THIS point, youngmini had been acting very rash, and rough, possibly anti town. Therefore, we were afraid young was GF. Then here I am, Funkmaster K, and I'm like "Hey, I'll pretend to be DT to youngmini. If I die this night, young is probably GF and you can bust him. If I don't, we can trust him!" There. Any more questions? Also: Being loud doesn't mean your right -.- If you listen carefully you can hear the soft reasonings behind my loudness. And yeah that theory makes no sense, It's Night 3 now and you're claiming DT has already checked 3 times (me, you and amber). You just made the same mistake citi.zen did last game by slipping up your claim. You are now 100% red in my eyes. I never said he checked me. I think this is going to be flame war soon. <--- Getting bit angry. I'll try to let other people defend me unless everyone starts believing young.
Can someone verify that Pandain claimed he was checked?
And if he wasn't, (and even if he was) see Playing Blue 101, rule 2.
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On July 25 2010 10:57 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 10:55 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:53 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:51 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:49 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:44 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:42 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:39 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:35 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:30 youngminii wrote:
'logical play', okay. This is the most far fetched story I've ever seen come out of a mafia game and I don't care if you're green/blue/red at this point. The majority of the people on the list make up mafia and if you need to be sacrificed to get rid of that entire list, then so be it. On July 25 2010 10:29 youngminii wrote:Oh crap I didn't even think of being modkilled for spamming Okay I guess I could ease up a bit . In any case, I'd like the Mad Hatter to place their bombs on people on this list (not the top because we're hopefully lynching them the next day) so maybe put bombs on people at the bottom of the list? On July 25 2010 10:24 youngminii wrote:
Don't worry at this rate we'll win. Don't play as if you're trying to cover up for the current list of scum (which is what this post appears to be doing). You'll be my next scum suspect if the current list doesn't catch all scum. Seriouslly, wtf man. It's been 5 minutes and look at everything you're saying "MUST BE DONE!" Read, think,evaluate. Dont rush to conclusions and rash plans. No, we've already come to a conclusion and a well defined plan that was formed even before citi.zen died. The only thing that could possibly come out of 'reading thinking evaluating' and wasting anymore time is that scum could post up alternate theories and back each other up which will pollute the mind of the newbie/inactive townies leading to a change in momentum from pressure on mafia to another wasted lynch. The list I am spamming is the only plan we should follow and that is that. No. Shut up. I'm sorry, you're going to ruin the game if you keep acting like this. Your theories are not fact. Stop thinking that you can already know what the answer is 5 minutes in. And the only thing that can come out of reading thinking and evaluating is a reasonable, logical thing. Listen to yourself. "MUST NOT THINK, MUST GO ALONG WITH PLAN NO MATTER WHAT". I know you think you've won and "saved the day" but you haven't man. If anything your going to ruin it. Really, I've yet to come across anyone giving a reasonable counter explanation. No, I do not count your "we were working with citi.zen, but for some reason citi.zen didn't say anything about it to anyone" theory as a reasonable explanation. I know I'm being loud because people DO need it drilled through their heads that this list will win the game. Lots of people are too easily swayed by mafia and they will do anything to shine a bad light on me etc. Wtf that is such a convuluted version of my story. In case I actually misled any of you, I'll say it again. I find, through means I'm not going to tell, that ??? is DT. Now, ??? tells me he checked young and amber. Both are green. However, up to that point, and still up to THIS point, youngmini had been acting very rash, and rough, possibly anti town. Therefore, we were afraid young was GF. Then here I am, Funkmaster K, and I'm like "Hey, I'll pretend to be DT to youngmini. If I die this night, young is probably GF and you can bust him. If I don't, we can trust him!" There. Any more questions? Also: Being loud doesn't mean your right -.- If you listen carefully you can hear the soft reasonings behind my loudness. And yeah that theory makes no sense, It's Night 3 now and you're claiming DT has already checked 3 times (me, you and amber). You just made the same mistake citi.zen did last game by slipping up your claim. You are now 100% red in my eyes. I never said he checked me. I think this is going to be flame war soon. <--- Getting bit angry. I'll try to let other people defend me unless everyone starts believing young. So now you're claiming your DT came up to you and told you all this information without having even confirmed you? Even when he already had 2 people to trust? Bad theory is bad. Let's just say I forced it out of him. and no, he had one. And that person I had already been in contact with. I'm not going to say much more about this in depth just because I don't want to reveal to much. Have to talk it over.
Forced it out of him? What the hell does that even mean. I can't think of any legitimate reason for this. I wouldn't try to get a DTs role from someone because role fishers are mafia.
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What do you mean forced? How does that work?
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On July 25 2010 10:59 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 10:57 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:55 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:53 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:51 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:49 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:44 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:42 Pandain wrote:On July 25 2010 10:39 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 10:35 Pandain wrote:
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Seriouslly, wtf man. It's been 5 minutes and look at everything you're saying "MUST BE DONE!"
Read, think,evaluate.
Dont rush to conclusions and rash plans. No, we've already come to a conclusion and a well defined plan that was formed even before citi.zen died. The only thing that could possibly come out of 'reading thinking evaluating' and wasting anymore time is that scum could post up alternate theories and back each other up which will pollute the mind of the newbie/inactive townies leading to a change in momentum from pressure on mafia to another wasted lynch. The list I am spamming is the only plan we should follow and that is that. No. Shut up. I'm sorry, you're going to ruin the game if you keep acting like this. Your theories are not fact. Stop thinking that you can already know what the answer is 5 minutes in. And the only thing that can come out of reading thinking and evaluating is a reasonable, logical thing. Listen to yourself. "MUST NOT THINK, MUST GO ALONG WITH PLAN NO MATTER WHAT". I know you think you've won and "saved the day" but you haven't man. If anything your going to ruin it. Really, I've yet to come across anyone giving a reasonable counter explanation. No, I do not count your "we were working with citi.zen, but for some reason citi.zen didn't say anything about it to anyone" theory as a reasonable explanation. I know I'm being loud because people DO need it drilled through their heads that this list will win the game. Lots of people are too easily swayed by mafia and they will do anything to shine a bad light on me etc. Wtf that is such a convuluted version of my story. In case I actually misled any of you, I'll say it again. I find, through means I'm not going to tell, that ??? is DT. Now, ??? tells me he checked young and amber. Both are green. However, up to that point, and still up to THIS point, youngmini had been acting very rash, and rough, possibly anti town. Therefore, we were afraid young was GF. Then here I am, Funkmaster K, and I'm like "Hey, I'll pretend to be DT to youngmini. If I die this night, young is probably GF and you can bust him. If I don't, we can trust him!" There. Any more questions? Also: Being loud doesn't mean your right -.- If you listen carefully you can hear the soft reasonings behind my loudness. And yeah that theory makes no sense, It's Night 3 now and you're claiming DT has already checked 3 times (me, you and amber). You just made the same mistake citi.zen did last game by slipping up your claim. You are now 100% red in my eyes. I never said he checked me. I think this is going to be flame war soon. <--- Getting bit angry. I'll try to let other people defend me unless everyone starts believing young. So now you're claiming your DT came up to you and told you all this information without having even confirmed you? Even when he already had 2 people to trust? Bad theory is bad. Let's just say I forced it out of him. and no, he had one. And that person I had already been in contact with. I'm not going to say much more about this in depth just because I don't want to reveal to much. Have to talk it over. Forced it out of him? What the hell does that even mean. I can't think of any legitimate reason for this. I wouldn't try to get a DTs role from someone because role fishers are mafia.
Listen, it's complicated. I don't even know if I should talk about it even more.
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