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On July 25 2010 08:44 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 08:38 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On July 25 2010 08:33 chaoser wrote: guys, please respond to the VERY scummy thing that he did which is keep the triple claim for DT from town. That's VERY WEIRD. Yeah he says that he's leaving, knowing he could be dead by the time he gets back, and doesn't mention that? Aside: Aren't you glad we killed DTA? If he was still alive, we had a vigi claim, we had two mad hatters claim, AND we had all of DTA's wink and nod posts about mad hattering this would be so much worse. That's why you don't dink around as town. DTA is a good enough player to know that he would've had to claim or non-claim in that situation. Lynching DTA was a poor mistake. But if he makes a big deal out of non-claiming he can look like a red that was trying to scare away votes.
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On July 25 2010 08:48 BrownBear wrote:Sigh... I am not entirely convinced this is a good idea. BC has been pissing me off over the last few pages. I still am not sure whether or not SouthRawrea is claiming truthfully. If this ends poorly, then town as a whole is screwed. In these times, I usually tend to vote based on my own analysis and reading of the thread, not the will of the town or the bandwagon du jour. Because I've seen, too many times, the town be wrong. The analysis be flawed or scummy. Town lose a critical vote because rather than see the plain-as-day evidence in front of them, they followed their gut instinct or one person and all voted the wrong way. This is why I was reluctant to change my vote earlier: I didn't think you guys were voting with analysis, I just thought you were following tree.hugger and BC blindly. But there's been mounting pressure, both in the thread and by PM, for me to change my vote. And you know what? I want some fucking answers from citi.zen. I want to know where he's been during this crucial day. I want to know why he wanted the names of the DTs. I want to know why he didn't tell us fucking immediately when he got 3 DT claims. I want to know why rastaban had to blow the lid on that little gem there, via PM reveal no less. I want answers to all of these. And to the people who said lynching citi gives us more information that SR? You're right. If citi flips anything but red, it gives me a whole laundry list to work through ![](/mirror/smilies/wink.gif) So ##Unvote ##Vote citi.zenGod, I hope all of you are right. BB let me just ask you to revert your vote. You could be lynching a potentially confirmed townie and two potential townies (even blues) via bombs. This isn't the right way to go for confirmation on the whole scenario, it will be much more effective to lynch SouthRawr.
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BB stick by your vote. You could be lynching "potentially anybody" but then you use logic and reason to slim it down. You've seen theres just way too many oddities in Citizens play.
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This is going to be the third time where I've defended an innocent Townie that gets lynched because people are so unwilling to change their votes.
I bet the mafia are cracking up behind their screens, oh how easy it was to manipulate the naive town.
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On July 25 2010 09:02 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 09:00 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On July 25 2010 08:54 Amber[LighT] wrote: What exactly are the chances that a mafia member can guess someone is a mad hatter so easily anyway? That's pretty random imo
Were citi.zen's tells that simple to the mafia? Well I had citizen marked down as blue or maybe red since around Day 1; he was also one of Foolishness suspects. Congratulations on having him marked down as blue or red, that's a great achievement ![](/mirror/smilies/puh2.gif)
What did you have him marked down as?
Also, the suspect of a green townie means nothing.
This isn't true, and you know it. Foolishness is also a good player, who usually gets decent reads in my experience.
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My vote is staying where it is.
My list of people who I suspect if this goes poorly (in order of me remembering them ):
BC tree.hugger Pandain Amber[light] SouthRawrea
My list of people who I suspect if citi flips mafia:
youngminii zeks maybe? citi.zen (but he'll be dead lol)
Let's see what happens.
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Back. Grandparents wanted me to eat even though I already did >.> I really don't understand how Youngminii thinks all his arguments are perfect. You're saying things that are illogical. Why would the mafia want to save me if I'm the "noobie mafia" that you say that I am.
On July 25 2010 08:07 youngminii wrote: I call upon every player in this game to vote for either citi.zen or South. One of them is confirmed mafia. There is no hiding under this "I think they're all innocent" nonsense. Pick one.
But more importantly, pick SouthRawrea.
There are four possible outcomes: If we lynch citi.zen the Mafia: Then we've taken out one red. We have a town member to form a circle around (SouthRawrea), and this player is 100% new to forum mafia.
If we lynch citi.zen the Mad Hatter: Then ASSUMING citi.zen's already given the second DT party (his inactivity cough) AND if we rule out the possibility of TWO DT groups claiming to him, then we have a town circle with a DT. Two people needlessly die and if you all really think that citi.zen's scumhunting abilities are so good, then why don't you trust him on his SouthRawrea hunt?
If we lynch Southrawrea the Mafia: Then we gain a whole load of information with many implications (unfortunately no one listens to me anymore). We've got BC backed into a corner, we've got chaoser (imo) and a few more, AND we have a huge townie group with TWO DTs working together.
If we lynch Southrawrea the Mad Hatter: Then chaoser dies. Only one death compared to two if citi.zen's Mad Hatter. I do think he's mafia and maybe you would too (directed at tree.hugger) if you got off your high horse and read my analysis posts once in a while.
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God I can't believe how fast you all just follow tree.hugger's bias 'situation report'.
This especially. Even if I am 100% new, I can pick up pretty quick especially if I get this circle to help me out. Also, we get rid of one of the mafia's top members who could possibly have power over the DTs if he really got those claims.
If he's blue, he should at least tell us if one of his bomb targets at this time is me so that the vilage knows what voting him would do. We then have many scum to pick on as you have pointed out so well. (Chaoser for example) and we get me supposing that I am mafia.
If I'm mafia, I as well as a few others have already said why your line of reasoning was wrong. We do in fact gain more info from killing citizen as mafia rather than me.
If I'm town, we get Chaoser who you ALREADY believe is red and we still have our Mad Hatter to place bombs while being directed by a new town circle. As well, because I'm such a noob, mafia may be reluctant to kill me immediately tonight which gives us a chance to get order in the town.
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On July 25 2010 09:10 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 09:02 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 09:00 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On July 25 2010 08:54 Amber[LighT] wrote: What exactly are the chances that a mafia member can guess someone is a mad hatter so easily anyway? That's pretty random imo
Were citi.zen's tells that simple to the mafia? Well I had citizen marked down as blue or maybe red since around Day 1; he was also one of Foolishness suspects. Congratulations on having him marked down as blue or red, that's a great achievement ![](/mirror/smilies/puh2.gif) What did you have him marked down as? This isn't true, and you know it. Foolishness is also a good player, who usually gets decent reads in my experience. Yes it is true, especially that early in the game? It means less than nothing.
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On July 25 2010 09:12 SouthRawrea wrote:Back. Grandparents wanted me to eat even though I already did >.> I really don't understand how Youngminii thinks all his arguments are perfect. You're saying things that are illogical. Why would the mafia want to save me if I'm the "noobie mafia" that you say that I am. Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 08:07 youngminii wrote: I call upon every player in this game to vote for either citi.zen or South. One of them is confirmed mafia. There is no hiding under this "I think they're all innocent" nonsense. Pick one.
But more importantly, pick SouthRawrea.
There are four possible outcomes: If we lynch citi.zen the Mafia: Then we've taken out one red. We have a town member to form a circle around (SouthRawrea), and this player is 100% new to forum mafia.
If we lynch citi.zen the Mad Hatter: Then ASSUMING citi.zen's already given the second DT party (his inactivity cough) AND if we rule out the possibility of TWO DT groups claiming to him, then we have a town circle with a DT. Two people needlessly die and if you all really think that citi.zen's scumhunting abilities are so good, then why don't you trust him on his SouthRawrea hunt?
If we lynch Southrawrea the Mafia: Then we gain a whole load of information with many implications (unfortunately no one listens to me anymore). We've got BC backed into a corner, we've got chaoser (imo) and a few more, AND we have a huge townie group with TWO DTs working together.
If we lynch Southrawrea the Mad Hatter: Then chaoser dies. Only one death compared to two if citi.zen's Mad Hatter. I do think he's mafia and maybe you would too (directed at tree.hugger) if you got off your high horse and read my analysis posts once in a while.
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God I can't believe how fast you all just follow tree.hugger's bias 'situation report'. This especially. Even if I am 100% new, I can pick up pretty quick especially if I get this circle to help me out. Also, we get rid of one of the mafia's top members who could possibly have power over the DTs if he really got those claims. If he's blue, he should at least tell us if one of his bomb targets at this time is me so that the vilage knows what voting him would do. We then have many scum to pick on as you have pointed out so well. (Chaoser for example) and we get me supposing that I am mafia. If I'm mafia, I as well as a few others have already said why your line of reasoning was wrong. We do in fact gain more info from killing citizen as mafia rather than me. If I'm town, we get Chaoser who you ALREADY believe is red and we still have our Mad Hatter to place bombs while being directed by a new town circle. As well, because I'm such a noob, mafia may be reluctant to kill me immediately tonight which gives us a chance to get order in the town. My post was actually a parody of tree.hugger's, it wasn't meant to be taken 100% seriously (even though some good points are in it), I was just trying to show how stupid it is to blindly follow a post that has logical inconsistencies and over exaggerations just because 5/6 other scum rally behind the post.
But yes, your play has been less than spectacular in this game and there's no reason to trust you to make any game deciding decisions. Your arguments are now following BC's style of arguing, filled with horrible flaws. I wouldn't be surprised if BC just PM'd you with that entire post and told you to copy and paste it into this thread.
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I don't have to LEAD completely. Once I have a few confirmed people in a town circle, I can check if what I'm doing is good or bad with them.
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On July 25 2010 09:16 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 09:12 SouthRawrea wrote:Back. Grandparents wanted me to eat even though I already did >.> I really don't understand how Youngminii thinks all his arguments are perfect. You're saying things that are illogical. Why would the mafia want to save me if I'm the "noobie mafia" that you say that I am. On July 25 2010 08:07 youngminii wrote: I call upon every player in this game to vote for either citi.zen or South. One of them is confirmed mafia. There is no hiding under this "I think they're all innocent" nonsense. Pick one.
But more importantly, pick SouthRawrea.
There are four possible outcomes: If we lynch citi.zen the Mafia: Then we've taken out one red. We have a town member to form a circle around (SouthRawrea), and this player is 100% new to forum mafia.
If we lynch citi.zen the Mad Hatter: Then ASSUMING citi.zen's already given the second DT party (his inactivity cough) AND if we rule out the possibility of TWO DT groups claiming to him, then we have a town circle with a DT. Two people needlessly die and if you all really think that citi.zen's scumhunting abilities are so good, then why don't you trust him on his SouthRawrea hunt?
If we lynch Southrawrea the Mafia: Then we gain a whole load of information with many implications (unfortunately no one listens to me anymore). We've got BC backed into a corner, we've got chaoser (imo) and a few more, AND we have a huge townie group with TWO DTs working together.
If we lynch Southrawrea the Mad Hatter: Then chaoser dies. Only one death compared to two if citi.zen's Mad Hatter. I do think he's mafia and maybe you would too (directed at tree.hugger) if you got off your high horse and read my analysis posts once in a while.
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God I can't believe how fast you all just follow tree.hugger's bias 'situation report'. This especially. Even if I am 100% new, I can pick up pretty quick especially if I get this circle to help me out. Also, we get rid of one of the mafia's top members who could possibly have power over the DTs if he really got those claims. If he's blue, he should at least tell us if one of his bomb targets at this time is me so that the vilage knows what voting him would do. We then have many scum to pick on as you have pointed out so well. (Chaoser for example) and we get me supposing that I am mafia. If I'm mafia, I as well as a few others have already said why your line of reasoning was wrong. We do in fact gain more info from killing citizen as mafia rather than me. If I'm town, we get Chaoser who you ALREADY believe is red and we still have our Mad Hatter to place bombs while being directed by a new town circle. As well, because I'm such a noob, mafia may be reluctant to kill me immediately tonight which gives us a chance to get order in the town. My post was actually a parody of tree.hugger's, it wasn't meant to be taken 100% seriously (even though some good points are in it), I was just trying to show how stupid it is to blindly follow a post that has logical inconsistencies and over exaggerations just because 5/6 other scum rally behind the post. But yes, your play has been less than spectacular in this game and there's no reason to trust you to make any game deciding decisions. Your arguments are now following BC's style of arguing, filled with horrible flaws. I wouldn't be surprised if BC just PM'd you with that entire post and told you to copy and paste it into this thread.
You're saying you think BC and South are possibly linked together? Is tricode innocent then and BC just got really lucky?
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I think that they are very likely linked together look at the posts BC has made. I dont know about tricode..
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We find out in about 30 min, regardless.
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On July 25 2010 09:20 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 09:16 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2010 09:12 SouthRawrea wrote:Back. Grandparents wanted me to eat even though I already did >.> I really don't understand how Youngminii thinks all his arguments are perfect. You're saying things that are illogical. Why would the mafia want to save me if I'm the "noobie mafia" that you say that I am. On July 25 2010 08:07 youngminii wrote: I call upon every player in this game to vote for either citi.zen or South. One of them is confirmed mafia. There is no hiding under this "I think they're all innocent" nonsense. Pick one.
But more importantly, pick SouthRawrea.
There are four possible outcomes: If we lynch citi.zen the Mafia: Then we've taken out one red. We have a town member to form a circle around (SouthRawrea), and this player is 100% new to forum mafia.
If we lynch citi.zen the Mad Hatter: Then ASSUMING citi.zen's already given the second DT party (his inactivity cough) AND if we rule out the possibility of TWO DT groups claiming to him, then we have a town circle with a DT. Two people needlessly die and if you all really think that citi.zen's scumhunting abilities are so good, then why don't you trust him on his SouthRawrea hunt?
If we lynch Southrawrea the Mafia: Then we gain a whole load of information with many implications (unfortunately no one listens to me anymore). We've got BC backed into a corner, we've got chaoser (imo) and a few more, AND we have a huge townie group with TWO DTs working together.
If we lynch Southrawrea the Mad Hatter: Then chaoser dies. Only one death compared to two if citi.zen's Mad Hatter. I do think he's mafia and maybe you would too (directed at tree.hugger) if you got off your high horse and read my analysis posts once in a while.
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God I can't believe how fast you all just follow tree.hugger's bias 'situation report'. This especially. Even if I am 100% new, I can pick up pretty quick especially if I get this circle to help me out. Also, we get rid of one of the mafia's top members who could possibly have power over the DTs if he really got those claims. If he's blue, he should at least tell us if one of his bomb targets at this time is me so that the vilage knows what voting him would do. We then have many scum to pick on as you have pointed out so well. (Chaoser for example) and we get me supposing that I am mafia. If I'm mafia, I as well as a few others have already said why your line of reasoning was wrong. We do in fact gain more info from killing citizen as mafia rather than me. If I'm town, we get Chaoser who you ALREADY believe is red and we still have our Mad Hatter to place bombs while being directed by a new town circle. As well, because I'm such a noob, mafia may be reluctant to kill me immediately tonight which gives us a chance to get order in the town. My post was actually a parody of tree.hugger's, it wasn't meant to be taken 100% seriously (even though some good points are in it), I was just trying to show how stupid it is to blindly follow a post that has logical inconsistencies and over exaggerations just because 5/6 other scum rally behind the post. But yes, your play has been less than spectacular in this game and there's no reason to trust you to make any game deciding decisions. Your arguments are now following BC's style of arguing, filled with horrible flaws. I wouldn't be surprised if BC just PM'd you with that entire post and told you to copy and paste it into this thread. You're saying you think BC and South are possibly linked together? Is tricode innocent then and BC just got really lucky? I don't know about tricode. I'm more than saying that BC and South are 'possibly' linked together, I'm betting on it.
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So I never quite caught on to this but what was this entire Double lynch movement about?
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We vote double lynch now, we get to use it the next day. Usually we lynch one person. If it passes we get to vote two people.
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The townies who voted with the mafia need to stop playing this game. Forever. This is as clear cut as it gets: BC, Inf, Chaos, Tree.hugger, South are red. Perhaps after you lynch me you will... I don't know... go after one of them. You have a double lynch to use.
By the way: to avoid this dumb town situation, the mad hatter is actually the SECOND player my DT checked, not myself. I claimed in his place to keep them safe for one more night. Now they have all they need to accurately place their bombs. I am plain vanilla town, as you are about to find out when I flip.
Remember: BC, Inf, Chaos, Tree.hugger, South. Plus whoever fake claimed.
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Nice last ditch attempt to sway people.
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Also, Pandain, you must post the contents of our PMs. They're of the utmost importance for tommorow if I die tonight.
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