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SouthRawrea
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada608 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-17 00:07:24
July 17 2010 00:06 GMT
#181
Isn't that how it's normally played though? You can't really have counter-claims without knowing how many of each role there are. You can have 1/2 the people claim infested terran without knowing how many there are supposed to be, you don't know if any are lying or not. They could all be telling the truth :/

Edit:
On July 17 2010 09:05 Foolishness wrote:

Depends. At least do we know the mafia count?

The whole "let's not reveal how many of each role" is a rather recent thing on TL. Although I'm probably in a very small minority when I say I don't like it and think that role count should be revealed.


I'd have to agree.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-17 00:17:33
July 17 2010 00:16 GMT
#182
depends on a combination of things. Open/Semi-open/Closed setups aren't strictly good or bad depending on what roles are hidden and what other mechanics there are in the game.

ETA: No counter-claims aren't that bad ^_^
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-17 00:24:37
July 17 2010 00:18 GMT
#183
On July 17 2010 09:05 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2010 09:01 Bill Murray wrote:
wouldnt that be unfair?

Depends. At least do we know the mafia count?

The whole "let's not reveal how many of each role" is a rather recent thing on TL. Although I'm probably in a very small minority when I say I don't like it and think that role count should be revealed.

There is a reason it has started happening. It was put in place to stop roleclaiming day 1 in bigger games. Specifically, there was a game I hosted where dreamflower was the only vigilante. She could come out and roleclaim and was basically 100% innocent because nobody else countermanded her statement. This is still a factor in games with more than 1 of the role because roles are revealed upon death, but it is diminished. With hidden role counts, people have to actually play their roles instead of just coming out and saying "I'm the last X. Therefore, I'm innocent." I just don't think people should be claiming day 1.
Uff Da
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 17 2010 00:20 GMT
#184
I sort of want it to be an open setup
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
July 17 2010 00:26 GMT
#185
On July 17 2010 09:18 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2010 09:05 Foolishness wrote:
On July 17 2010 09:01 Bill Murray wrote:
wouldnt that be unfair?

Depends. At least do we know the mafia count?

The whole "let's not reveal how many of each role" is a rather recent thing on TL. Although I'm probably in a very small minority when I say I don't like it and think that role count should be revealed.

There is a reason it has started happening. It was put in place to stop roleclaiming day 1 in bigger games. Specifically, there was a game I hosted where dreamflower was the only vigilante. She could come out and roleclaim and was basically 100% innocent because nobody else countermanded her statement. This is still a factor in games with more than 1 of the role because roles are revealed upon death. With hidden role counts, people have to actually play their roles instead of just coming out and saying "I'm the last X. Therefore, I'm innocent."

It's mafia's fault for not coming out to counterclaim that stuff. I guess role revealing upon death is a factor in this as well like you stated. But I'd rather have role count publicized and roles not revealed upon death.

Even with role count hidden, a big portion of every game is "hey let's think about what a balanced setup would be and try to figure out how many of each role there are...". That's not what mafia should be about.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-17 00:29:19
July 17 2010 00:28 GMT
#186
Sacrificing 1 blue to find 1 red immediately. That's a really good trade in my book.
Uff Da
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
July 17 2010 00:31 GMT
#187
On July 17 2010 09:28 Qatol wrote:
Sacrificing 1 blue to find 1 red immediately. That's a really good trade in my book.

You just stated a big problem with TL mafia game setups right there.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 17 2010 00:38 GMT
#188
I am going to reveal what roles are in the game. The day starts in under 22 minutes from this post, at 9pm EST (10 KST) and goes for 48 hour days and 24 hour nights. Role PMs have all been sent out.


GG
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-17 00:50:21
July 17 2010 00:49 GMT
#189
On July 17 2010 09:38 Bill Murray wrote:
I am going to reveal what roles are in the game. The day starts in under 22 minutes from this post, at 9pm EST (10 KST) and goes for 48 hour days and 24 hour nights. Role PMs have all been sent out.


GG

I guess I can handle what you have up there right now. I still don't like it, but at least people can't roleclaim day 1 and either prove themselves innocent or give the town 50/50 odds of mafia.
Uff Da
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 17 2010 00:55 GMT
#190
assuming i dont have to modkill them for inactivity :p
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
July 17 2010 01:25 GMT
#191
Is there a Day post BM or does day just auto start?
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
July 17 2010 01:26 GMT
#192
GG GLHF all!
SUNSFANNED
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
July 17 2010 01:30 GMT
#193
Yea is there gonna be a day post or what?
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
July 17 2010 01:30 GMT
#194
You guys are asking a lot for a game being modded by a lunatic lol. 1st post might just start with a modkill.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 17 2010 01:35 GMT
#195
Now what do I do .

Also, I assume I don't tell anyone my role, right?
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
July 17 2010 01:41 GMT
#196
On July 17 2010 10:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Is there a Day post BM or does day just auto start?

I think the day post is this one...

On July 17 2010 10:30 Ace wrote:
You guys are asking a lot for a game being modded by a lunatic lol. 1st post might just start with a modkill.

geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
July 17 2010 01:41 GMT
#197
On July 17 2010 10:30 Ace wrote:
You guys are asking a lot for a game being modded by a lunatic lol. 1st post might just start with a modkill.


Or the game just ends as he decided to divide the game by zero
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
SouthRawrea
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada608 Posts
July 17 2010 01:48 GMT
#198
We should like.. have a village bonfire where we eat marshmallows and tell spookie stories in the afternoon.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
July 17 2010 01:56 GMT
#199
Just to confirm: pm-ing is allowed, correct?
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
July 17 2010 02:01 GMT
#200
On July 17 2010 07:57 Bill Murray wrote:
nice
ill send these out right now, then i'm going to bed
the 48 hour day cycle starts at 9pm EST, 10 KST, and will last for 48 hours

PMing is allowed, and if you have any questions, feel free to direct them to me

#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
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