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I think it's fairly silly to also not lynch ace for the sole reason of getting the DT role alot. Roles are random, so he has as much chance as anybody. But I'd rather not lynch competent people either. Mafia will do that for us >  Not really inclined against anybody at the moment, so I'll wait to see what comes out of the woodwork. Not that I'm really expecting much to happen on the first day when there is absolutely nothing but a person's history to go by. I'm not going to be lynching my own teammate thank you very much. | ||
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We should really get this show on the road as to who are candidates for lynching. I dont feel comfortable just resting my vote on someone who Im not even 50/50 on. But we cant just let ourselves get swayed so we should start deciding soon. Im not sure whether having alot of different people under two red roles is good or bad, as they can spread enough while still stacking a bit with not mch consequence, but then again, we can take the direction a team is going and question them. I'd think teammates would be fine disagreing on points and not hinder the town in certain places, but we should be wary of a DT team trying to play off a rolecheck without getting mafia suspicion. If we even have one So this doesn't happen I'd suggest a DT team to gather two rolechecks and publicly post the info on the third day, or as soon as they find red. The medic would protect the proclaimed DT baring a roleblocker for as long as possible. I dont think mafia can chance publicly faking DT with only 2 reds in the game, so trading a DT for 1 red would help alot. I think checking a town would be relatively useless as PMs are banned, so try to check legitimately suspicious teams. Id think this game will be very down to the wire if there are no blues and a half decent mafia squad. Otherwise we have have a really good chance with proper analysis. | ||
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and no "I know im not mafia therefore I am not mafia" logic please lol Still not going to bandwagon just yet from a team who has that cheezenoodle guy on it  | ||
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by night three, mafia has a little less then 50% chance of hitting a a blue if there is one , and considerably higher chance if there are two. In other games I would advise a lategame strategy, but this game should be shorter then usual. The only reason I appear scummy is that I responded to your assumptions of who should be lynched based on the amount of people in each team and whether or not to lynch certain people based on what roles they have gotten previously. Lynching by posting history is a far superior plan then this. DT cant rolecheck a townie and then PM them, right? So the only use os knowing a regular townie for the public is that it's one less person we'd mistaken lynch. And the only way that would be revealed is if a DT would sacrifice himself... because if we have a medic and a DT then they have a RBer and thats a dead DT, (therefore a DT should only reveal with a mafia in his hand). Then the townie would be an easy target later but there is still the medic. I just put my vote for yellow as a placeholder until a better candidate comes up, which will be most likely some inactive he hops on a BWagon late with no excuse I guess. Please keep you vote on me yellow if you are mafia, because that makes it easier for the town if I get lynched. If you back off, I'll gladly take my heat off you and let the majority decide. I'm ready to die cheezenoodle. | ||
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And durak I sure am being mysteriously silent to hide my batman persoan you + Show Spoiler + SCOMBO | ||
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And it hasn't even been close to 24 hours yet, with 48 hours til verdict, correct? People have jobs and lives, and if I did not have this phone I wouldn't have been able to make more then 2 posts since the game started. I do agree with korynne that all this blame is a bit quick, and from yellows history, he makes very randomly good and then inocous posts. I'd much rather find some glaringly obvious lurker, but we'll have to wait. | ||
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On June 23 2010 10:45 Durak wrote: Who is this clown? You go afk all day, come back, and make some ridiculously biased "summary" post. First of all, you say "our main options" as if you're some authority. You haven't said anything in this thread to separate you from anyone else. In fact, you've just kept under the radar. Second of all, your bolded choices are biased. Your first post in this thread, before anything began, accuses 2 and 8. You repeated the same people in this post even though they have been discussed relatively little. Rather, people have pointed their fingers at you. Give me some analysis or I don't see any reason to listen to you. You're talking bigger than you have shown. Stick it to the man! Not voting for this bad-ass thats for sure | ||
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And whos to say durok here isnt some mastermind himself? Until I've gotten to know someone through my own experience with them, you really can't make too many judgments about them. Give him a shot to earn his spurs, then ask who the fuck he is. I'm making a list and I'm checking it twice. Too bad Laxer is asleep or busy, I dont think he'll be as fun to watch as the previous game, where he was in full bloom of his potential  joshin ya laxer. Anyone want some alcohol induced analysis? Spell-check is cool. That is all. | ||
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On June 23 2010 11:32 LaXerCannon wrote: Oh god, I just read over the thread twice and I can't seem to make out anything past the initial YI and Bumatlarge argument. I'll give it another stab tomorrow when my mind's less...scrambled. I lied! Reading back on what I wrote, I think I should proofread more. I convey the ideas so poorly, no wonder Ink thinks (lol) Im sketchy. Bill Murray's sig is awesome. | ||
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On June 23 2010 12:05 DarthThienAn wrote: You do it your way, I'll do it mine =P. And I don't mind that. I'm here anyway zz. On another note, I don't think anyone's responded to my first post directly -_-. If I may say so, it was very incriminating But a nice chocolate sundae of what people are doing so far since the day dawned. | ||
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On June 23 2010 13:42 L wrote: ... That's retarded. It's perfectly fine, the only downside would be a disagreement with your own teammate, thus splitting it into smaller fractions. But they did sign up later, and no one on 3man teams has complained. Are you going to complain for them? | ||
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Its not necssarily the same as inactivity, or even quantiy of posts. For instance Radfield has barely posted, but you can get substance from his posts and get a clear position on his stance. Most of what I have posted is roughly the same as him, but garbled up and repeated (I blame the habit that when im using this small-ass keyboard I post like Im texting -_- and you dont think twice about it) So if you haven't, make a clear vivd 5-7 line paragraph on what you think is important, if you have not posted substance yet. Check it as if you were handing in an assignment, so we can see your opinion clearly at least. I guess people yellow and darth have pointed out should go ahead and try it. Plus it's nice to see a fresh personality's take on things. | ||
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On June 24 2010 01:38 YellowInk wrote: BM/Chez, whether you're town or mafia, you're in a serious pickle. If you are to not get hung, another target needs to be manifest basically right now. I'm not convinced by your arguments against team 7, and since they have become more active I no longer have a reason to leave my vote there. I still think it's fairly likely that at least one of the teams between you and bum/LaX is mafia. I still think it's much more likely that bum/LaX is the mafia one. Because of this, hanging you gives me more information if you don't flip red. So I'm not altogether against hanging you. Given no better info, I do intend to go after bum/LaX tomorrow if you come up pro town. I don't know if people will listen to me or not. No one has really commented on my arguments, but neither have I pressed them due to apparent lack of interest. I still hope the DT is seriously considering investigating bum/LaX! So consider this me giving you your other target. I'm moving my vote back to bum. Feels good man. I'm ready to put bill and chez's past behind them if they truly want to help the town. I'm not sure how deep chez played the game he was mafia, but if he kept making silly comments and didn't try a legitmate apology that game, I doubt he's maniacal enough to do it this game. sellfishly hope a DT checks me to prove yo wrong, but it would be waste of a rolecheck just negating your suspicions. But then I know the next thing you'll say is "Thats just you trying to throw the DT off and saving yourself you scuma diver" So you know what? DT check me tonight to cater to this. Honestly do it so the mafia might get inclined to hit me thinking im something and if im checked, would make me a very legitimate target. That could also draw a medic too. It wold be funny because it might draw the hit away from more analytical players then lax and I. You did this last game yellow, and we didn't bother to stop you because you were making little sense, but later on you became a threat i gess, Maybe you started off this game like BM and chez are just using a guise that you saw through immediately. Well then you are the better and I humy subject myself to yoursuperior eye for mafia. Or maybe your just hallucinating again. Maybe BM and I were jus t attempting simple noob minded analysis. You honestly thinnk either of us are expecting to live til the end, which I hear is good thing for mafia . If I make it to day 4, I swear to god I will start the bandwagon on myself, and anyone who doesn't vote for me is mafia. Surely we will have caght one other red team by then. If I disagree any point after this, you can assume I have clearly stated that I am scum. | ||
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On June 24 2010 02:30 Durak wrote: In addition to this, he posted that before your team, 7, made a number of posts (around page 16). Honestly, I thought your inactivity was suspicious. I'm with YI: now that your activity has been shown, it's not valid anymore. Perhaps it means more than that but we'll see if he changes his vote. I am withdrawing mine. As for bum, I'm confused by his posts. He's eager for the detective to sacrifice himself and wants the medic and detective to use their abilities on him. That said, I'm all ears if you want to explain yourself. Your explanations in your earlier posts don't make any sense to me, just as the post on this page doesn't. I apologize for any confuusion you had at all. Basically I said trading a DT for a mafia is preferable outcome. If this is why yellow thinks im scum then all I can really do is laugh. Do I want the DT to die? Of course not. Do I want the DT to publicly announce himself when he finds a red? Yes. Thereafter, ther is no way for the DT to survive, as radfield explained. Anything other points that need clarification? | ||
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On June 24 2010 01:47 YellowInk wrote: In short, the way that BM and bum attacked me with BM being aggressive and bum staying more to the shadows is what raised my suspicion. Bum's awful post made me read red on him earlier. + Show Spoiler + Here is the read explanation and response to bum's pass/agg attack: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131987¤tpage=5#81 Oh im at fault, I assumed you meant the post below that. That was a mistake on my part as I didn't do the proper math involving the setups available ntil I read that post. It was posted based on insufficient thought and lack of information on my part. I suppose I never said I corrected it the post down the page. If you think that was purposeful and I intended to never correct it, then I could see why you are thinking that way. | ||
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On June 24 2010 03:40 Durak wrote: I haven't played enough to know if that swap is good. On the face of it, it seems to be the definitive way to figure out who mafia is. It seems like coming out with no information would be fruitless? Anyway, I'm still confused why you're advocating detective and medic use their abilities on you. Is that to waste a turn to prove you're innocent because we can't trust you or possibly because you want them wasted? I don't know. I just want some more discussion. It normally wouldnt be, but with only 2 mafia, a Dt ca halve tthe mafias force. I was just suggesting that I dont mind getting checked, but then mafia might as well hit someone whoo gets confirmed as townie, but then that wold have to ncludei roleblocker, which I seem to forget often enough. And that I would be a nice death for the town as im apparently suspicious, and THEY wont hit someone more useful. Im going to wait til Iet home to post because this is a nightmare on a phone. | ||
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On June 24 2010 07:20 Chezinu wrote: oops, meant to post this here, sorry flame! Votes for Team 2 (13) Ace meeple BrownBear johnnyspazz DCLXVI Nikon Votes for Team 3 (13) YellowInk DarthThienAn Zyrre Durak Chezinu Votes for Team 7 (13) Bill Murray LaXerCannon bumatlarge Divinek stormtemplar Votes for Team 8 (3) L Votes for Team 9 (6) Radfield Korynne Ok, I think this is the vote count so far. I might have made a mistake with the numbers, I'm not sure. I voted for team 8, but I guess I'm forced to put it on 2 to stay alive. Pretty bummed out that you guys are jumping on laxer and I, but I guess it can't be helped if you really do get red vibes from us. I told Laxer it might be better for him to lie low for a bit, rather then what he was doing last game, and I tried to be a bit more active through my phone, but that just developed misconstrued fragments of what I was thinking while at work. After seeing Chez and BM make so many pointless posts, I got comfortable and started making useless comments. I meant the hidey-hole thing as a joke to yellow, but of course he took it in the worst and most serious way possible. Can you be more decisive with your end vote please? Id rather like to divine information ive been keeping if we do get lynched. Honestly it seems like I got off on the wrong foot trying to start off the day by commenting on YI's first post and giving thoughts on what Blue's and such should do in time to come. I'm fairly certain I didn't say anything definite. It's kind of unlike me to get so mellow but Im not really worried, as long as the town takes the right roads after. | ||
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On June 24 2010 07:56 Chezinu wrote: Why is everyone pitting me and BM against the Bum-Cannon? *Insert joke comment that will get me lynched* Apparently people are very uptight about how they want their mafia threads to be. We didn't really have any of this in the previous game, so I guess a majority of the people are expecting a certain mindset. No worries, I will always love you, cheezenoodle, and your instigative celebrity friend. Im not really good with vibes, because half the time, mafia will be clever, and townies will be stupid. (I think we can fit under stupid if it doesnt offend) Theres no clues to eventually flush out reds, so the town has to take it chances on silly posters so early. Shame on you for making me follow your lead, it looked like so much fun | ||
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Or we could you know lynch a more inactive team, I guess, and I suppose if both laxer and I take our votes off you it wouldnt matter. I mean regardless, I'd rather live, as I have been active, an I having been making substance posts, as have you. A good majority are sitting back and watching. Which is kind of unfair if the only information we have is from other people. If everyone was as active as us, I'd have no qualms about it. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2010 14:44 bumatlarge wrote: Something tells me we won't have alot of inactivity this game, and I don't think letting 3 player teams have a safeguard against lynching because they have a much less likely chance of being inactive, but rather that people on tri-teams will get lazy in their posting. Dual-teams are more likely to give better results as they have more weight. But I see what you are saying, I'd just like to not discriminate in that regard. I think it's fairly silly to also not lynch ace for the sole reason of getting the DT role alot. Roles are random, so he has as much chance as anybody. But I'd rather not lynch competent people either. Mafia will do that for us > Not really inclined against anybody at the moment, so I'll wait to see what comes out of the woodwork. Not that I'm really expecting much to happen on the first day when there is absolutely nothing but a person's history to go by. I'm not going to be lynching my own teammate thank you very much. Response to Yellow's first post + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2010 01:22 bumatlarge wrote: Im offended by your statement! We should really get this show on the road as to who are candidates for lynching. I dont feel comfortable just resting my vote on someone who Im not even 50/50 on. But we cant just let ourselves get swayed so we should start deciding soon. Im not sure whether having alot of different people under two red roles is good or bad, as they can spread enough while still stacking a bit with not mch consequence, but then again, we can take the direction a team is going and question them. I'd think teammates would be fine disagreing on points and not hinder the town in certain places, but we should be wary of a DT team trying to play off a rolecheck without getting mafia suspicion. If we even have one So this doesn't happen I'd suggest a DT team to gather two rolechecks and publicly post the info on the third day, or as soon as they find red. The medic would protect the proclaimed DT baring a roleblocker for as long as possible. I dont think mafia can chance publicly faking DT with only 2 reds in the game, so trading a DT for 1 red would help alot. I think checking a town would be relatively useless as PMs are banned, so try to check legitimately suspicious teams. Id think this game will be very down to the wire if there are no blues and a half decent mafia squad. Otherwise we have have a really good chance with proper analysis. The confusing post that I confused myself because I wasn't fully aware of the setups and how they worked. Also the post Yellow uses to incriminate me for spreading lies. It was a mistake and a bad post, honest it was + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2010 02:22 bumatlarge wrote: Yeah, even if you are blue keep posting. Its very difficult to make headway as an active mafia as you inevitably try to screw with the town protecting yourself or teammates. Last game, we tried everything in our power to be as green as we could, but jst having one little fluke set us all back. And we didnt and somewhat couldnt take advantage of the power we did have, as being mafia requires being alot more far sighted then the town, because of the severe number disadvantage. So town can afford to make really instant decisions to flush out someone who has laid plans long term. Mafia has to genuinely not care about winning to fit in with not just a townie's purpose, but also a unimportant vanilla townies mentality, which would put them into the pawn to be killed for the good of the town persona. Mafia cannot replicate that role. Make yourself expendable Some townie philosophy, messy, but I still hold to it, if im proving that now. + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2010 04:28 bumatlarge wrote: I dare you cheezenoddle. Your Yoda mind games wont work on me *stink eye* by night three, mafia has a little less then 50% chance of hitting a a blue if there is one , and considerably higher chance if there are two. In other games I would advise a lategame strategy, but this game should be shorter then usual. The only reason I appear scummy is that I responded to your assumptions of who should be lynched based on the amount of people in each team and whether or not to lynch certain people based on what roles they have gotten previously. Lynching by posting history is a far superior plan then this. DT cant rolecheck a townie and then PM them, right? So the only use os knowing a regular townie for the public is that it's one less person we'd mistaken lynch. And the only way that would be revealed is if a DT would sacrifice himself... because if we have a medic and a DT then they have a RBer and thats a dead DT, (therefore a DT should only reveal with a mafia in his hand). Then the townie would be an easy target later but there is still the medic. I just put my vote for yellow as a placeholder until a better candidate comes up, which will be most likely some inactive he hops on a BWagon late with no excuse I guess. Please keep you vote on me yellow if you are mafia, because that makes it easier for the town if I get lynched. If you back off, I'll gladly take my heat off you and let the majority decide. I'm ready to die cheezenoodle. Similar to Rad's but we made it at the same time, and I feel stupid for not apologizing to YI for not clearly saying i was correcting my earlier statement. I initially thought this was the post YI meant that was giving a scummy read, which led to others like BM and Ace to question YI, which then led back to me. Another misunderstanding, I believe. -_- + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2010 05:22 bumatlarge wrote: Your basis for voting me off is for disargeeing with you about taking completely chance based guesses and suggesting an "awful" DT plan? Please clarify why it is awful, as I think a DT for one mafia in this game is preferable. And it hasn't even been close to 24 hours yet, with 48 hours til verdict, correct? People have jobs and lives, and if I did not have this phone I wouldn't have been able to make more then 2 posts since the game started. I do agree with korynne that all this blame is a bit quick, and from yellows history, he makes very randomly good and then innocuous posts. I'd much rather find some glaringly obvious lurker, but we'll have to wait. Then after this I get a bit silly seeing people start gunning for each other all of a sudden. I wasn't seriously suggesting to Yellow that we pretend we never had our early conversations, I was remarking that people were emerging from work and such to post. + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2010 11:36 bumatlarge wrote: The emotions coming out now is fantastic, I love the drama. And whos to say durok here isnt some mastermind himself? Until I've gotten to know someone through my own experience with them, you really can't make too many judgments about them. Give him a shot to earn his spurs, then ask who the fuck he is. I'm making a list and I'm checking it twice. Too bad Laxer is asleep or busy, I dont think he'll be as fun to watch as the previous game, where he was in full bloom of his potential joshin ya laxer. Anyone want some alcohol induced analysis? Spell-check is cool. That is all.I dont remember this post too well rofl... ok thats pretty bad. + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2010 01:01 bumatlarge wrote: There seems to be little flak going around in general, Im looking at my previously poor constructed posts and people notice but they didnt really pressure me for clarification on where I was going with it. I saw L make a comment about Darh and Ace already having enough content to judge them by. Its not necssarily the same as inactivity, or even quantiy of posts. For instance Radfield has barely posted, but you can get substance from his posts and get a clear position on his stance. Most of what I have posted is roughly the same as him, but garbled up and repeated (I blame the habit that when im using this small-ass keyboard I post like Im texting -_- and you dont think twice about it) So if you haven't, make a clear vivd 5-7 line paragraph on what you think is important, if you have not posted substance yet. Check it as if you were handing in an assignment, so we can see your opinion clearly at least. I guess people yellow and darth have pointed out should go ahead and try it. Plus it's nice to see a fresh personality's take on things. Still unaware + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2010 02:18 bumatlarge wrote: Feels good man. I'm ready to put bill and chez's past behind them if they truly want to help the town. I'm not sure how deep chez played the game he was mafia, but if he kept making silly comments and didn't try a legitmate apology that game, I doubt he's maniacal enough to do it this game. sellfishly hope a DT checks me to prove yo wrong, but it would be waste of a rolecheck just negating your suspicions. But then I know the next thing you'll say is "Thats just you trying to throw the DT off and saving yourself you scuma diver" So you know what? DT check me tonight to cater to this. Honestly do it so the mafia might get inclined to hit me thinking im something and if im checked, would make me a very legitimate target. That could also draw a medic too. It wold be funny because it might draw the hit away from more analytical players then lax and I. You did this last game yellow, and we didn't bother to stop you because you were making little sense, but later on you became a threat i gess, Maybe you started off this game like BM and chez are just using a guise that you saw through immediately. Well then you are the better and I humy subject myself to yoursuperior eye for mafia. Or maybe your just hallucinating again. Maybe BM and I were jus t attempting simple noob minded analysis. You honestly thinnk either of us are expecting to live til the end, which I hear is good thing for mafia . If I make it to day 4, I swear to god I will start the bandwagon on myself, and anyone who doesn't vote for me is mafia. Surely we will have caght one other red team by then. If I disagree any point after this, you can assume I have clearly stated that I am scum. I was so certain I would win this discussion because I was thinking why would Yellow have the nerve to bring this up again after others agreed trading a DT for one mafia would be worth it. And I knew Yellow would be a bit neurotic again, so I suggested I'd lynch myself on day 4 if the game was going on, just to prove a point. It looks extremely odd now realizing what he was referring too. And then reading this. + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2010 02:55 bumatlarge wrote: I apologize for any confuusion you had at all. Basically I said trading a DT for a mafia is preferable outcome. If this is why yellow thinks im scum then all I can really do is laugh. Do I want the DT to die? Of course not. Do I want the DT to publicly announce himself when he finds a red? Yes. Thereafter, ther is no way for the DT to survive, as radfield explained. Anything other points that need clarification? On June 24 2010 03:12 bumatlarge wrote: Oh im at fault, I assumed you meant the post below that. That was a mistake on my part as I didn't do the proper math involving the setups available ntil I read that post. It was posted based on insufficient thought and lack of information on my part. I suppose I never said I corrected it the post down the page. If you think that was purposeful and I intended to never correct it, then I could see why you are thinking that way. Oops. I initially clicked that link and went to the first post I wrote, not the YI's post quoting the culprit post. | ||
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It doesnt really matter, as nothing happened so nothing changed. Lets just move on and pray we get lucky in the night. 50% chance of even having a medic and a 12.5% to protect the person hit... and a potential roleblocking of the medic instead of the DT. I think that wold be about 5% to block a hit, but hopefully scum and a medic have the same train of thought Please stop assuming I know anything also, its just very likely there is a blue in the game. Im not a scum roleblocker publicly announcing that I know what setup it is -_- Alright so we probably wont get any luck,.. guess we'll have to see... | ||
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I wasnt disregarding anything, and it's all hypothetical. I didnt refer to every scenario because they are all covered by 2 in 4 shots for medic in the game and the 12.5 for protection. I didnt mean potential only as in who they roleblock necessarily, but rather potential for setup RB and DT/medic. and theirs a 50% shot from both townie and RB mafia view points. And Id rather scum hit someone unpredictable, as they wold not be hitting their preferable target. Damn straight im paranoid because the second I tried to discuss any blue plans (75% for at lest one blue and 25% for two in an 9 player is good odds in my book) People asked me why I was "assuming" we had any blues. I dont believe I've ever condoned a certainty of any setup, and the disregarding of another. Maybe I should spell out the steps I take in my head to reach the conclusions I did? | ||
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What would you rather T9 dead then T2, assuming no prior knowledge of T2's innoncence. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + It would seem I didnt have the balls and Korynne did End irony. | ||
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1) 9 was relatively quiet, which means they were comfortable with how they were posting. When votes came on to them, both of them made it very clear they were not comfortable and went through a good deal of wishy washy voting to prepare their thoughts on the whole matter. By the time I read their posts that were very similar to BM's attempt at survival, it was nearing the deadline. Due to T2's style and chez absence at that time, I preferedd losing them as opposed to T9's potential to help the town. 2) Out of the selfish logic to put the votes on them rather then myself. My death wouldnt lead anywhere and both the other teams still could be mafia. The only certainty I had was myself being town, and I was going to keep myself alive if push came to shove. I would have switched my vote to anyone BM or darth asked me to. | ||
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I'm going to put my vote on them, as it seems alot of people are in agreement with this line of thought. I'm willing to put the vote on first, as I think this will be a decent time for newer townies to risk themselves against more experienced players. I was fairly cautious as a mafia, but now that we don't have much of an alternative, I'm willing to stay true to the amateur townie habits I've developed. It's a shame I haven't gotten to witness Darth as townie, so I could give him more leniency for his style, but this doesn't seem radically different from his previous game. | ||
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On June 25 2010 14:20 DarthThienAn wrote: Thanks for the compliment... But your logic doesn't really make sense. You think I'm pro-town, therefore I must be mafia. What would happen if I seemed like mafia to you? It's an impossible situation for me, which means there's a problem somewhere. Seriously, think about it. If I always seem pro-town, then it's not an aspect of my play you can call me scummy for. I don't think it's bad that the town thought I was pro-town last game, and I don't think it's bad if I come across as pro-town to you this game. That's supposed to say "OK, he's less of a suspect, who looks more suspicious?" If I actually have that good of a playing style (which I doubt), then you can't base my scumminess on that, because it's always the same - therefore, it doesn't indicate my role toward either alignment. And to lynch players because they are 'good' players and might be mafia is just silly, and encourages bad play. Furthermore, if you lynch all the good players, bad players will be left over, and the town will most likely lose because they are bad. If you're going to base this on our last game, I could say the same about you. Your posts seem pretty much the same to me, and I've commented on what I think about them. But I don't call you scummy because of your playing style and I don't consider your previous game style too much. When I call some of your posts scummy, it's because most of your posts aren't that great -> spam -> bad for the thread -> ~scummy. But you've had decent posts too, which is why I didn't push harder for your lynch and think you could easily be town. Anyway. Where do you get your "strong feeling" that either me/Ace or L is mafia? Show me proof. What doesn't match up? Just because I, or Ace, or L have the ability to appear pro-town while being mafia, does not make us mafia. "I'm afraid we will definitely lose if team 4 is mafia and not lynched today." People said that last game too about me being mafia mayor. Town still won. Granted we sorta gave up after the DT checks came in, but having a good player as mafia != autolose for town. Who's in agreement with your line of thought? Maybe L, because he and Ace are still catfighting + because he was vague about who had "terrible posts" in the last couple pages. Maybe Durak even though his point about me in that last post isn't really valid. Maybe Divinek? All he's done is cry about me voting for him to get his team posting more, which ended up happening, more because of Radfield though I guess. Your 'taking a risk' by voting for me isn't a risk at all either. Because you preface your vote with that paragraph, your voting first absolutely nothing about you, because it can be taken either way. "I'm willing to put the vote on first, as I think this will be a decent time for newer townies to risk themselves against more experienced players" This sentence is all fluff, for example. Also, if I'm mafia, why am I posting in a dead thread when I could just let it be? See you all in ~24 hours. I expect Ace to reinforce why your logic doesn't really hold if he needs to. "Also, if I'm mafia, why am I posting in a dead thread when I could just let it be?" Because that's not how you play mafia from what I've gathered. I have to be honest, I think this is the worst I've played a game of mafia ever, with genuinely incoherent ideas and roundabout logic that doesn't go anywhere. I've been desperate and nonchalant and ultimately ignorant of what I should do as a townie. I've pissed on the serious gameplay along with BM and chez, and I got well deserved dirt for it. I havent put all the effort I could have into my posts, and I still feel like I make all sorts of errors. But this game isn't about how well you construct your posts and your helpfulness, it's about getting rid of scum. I've read everyone of the posts you have made in this and the previous game. Your a great player and know how the game works and what "should" be done. That's why when that red role lands on you again, your forced to have this set way of going about it. That's what alot of the veterans have done also. I can't read people for shit. I could barely do it in the game where I was mafia. I've tried here, but I just can't be ignorant that people are capable of making concrete townie analysis in a game with no real evidence. Except when people start dying. I doubt anyone appreciated BM and chez, because it's not something you should condone. But very good players hate it most of all, because they arent allowed to play the game "properly" when that element of randomness is pressured on to an already random-ish guessing game. So it's preferable for the town to feel a need to get rid of them, avoid resorting to finger-pointing, one free--nighttime. But I could throw this on anyone. Killing team 1 is another thing. Why arent you dead? The general consensus is that you are the strongest team player and analysis wise. You haven't thrown anyone under the wheels, except for maybe Ace on L but I will get to that. From a purely red PoV without any deep thought, I'd kill you in a heart beat. Team 1 arent some nobody team, they posted clear and logical posts without being overly committed to the game. Text-book vanilla right there. Text-book night hit right there. But they did suggest being suspicious of you, so you'd assume you could get away with that suspicion because that is outweighed by how towny you are. I feel you got sloppy, thought maybe all these "lower-tier players" wouldn't really have the gall to accuse you guys of something. Of course you'd never call them bad players, right? Just unfamiliar and accepting of criticisms. Criticism means brownie points in your book. +1 townieness. Maybe Im getting into gross miscalculations here? But Im not going to ask team 4 to correct me in that matter, Im going to ask the rest of the town. Maybe L is very clever like people suggest. Ace seemed to be against him from the start, which I completely understand from both red and green sides. I was really appalled at caller for that modkill, as I expected them to be your rival team in terms of decent players. But that screams strategic modkill in my book, if L's team is scum. Flamewheel said it was a valid modkill on inactivity, and caller said he had a strategy going into this game involving being inactive or something, so I think it's safe to assume L had nothing to do with it. So from L being mafia viewpoint; team 2 was the same thing, free nighttime. I'd only hit team 1 if I was really afraid of a medic on you, or the things Ace had said were to direct. He plays a complicated game when it comes to posting, so I can only assume he's just as complicated with his self-interest in the hard facts of the game. So I want L to address it, with no condescending remarks on a person's reasoning and then dismissing them illogical. Because to me, that's bullshit. I hope the town steps it up, and lynches either Team 4 or L. Or then you can lynch me. And I'm going to keep saying that "fluff" because I'd almost like everyone to realize I was completely frank and open about it, as much as town winning the game. It's a nice feeling when town sees your legitimate, one of the boons of being vanilla. | ||
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bumatlarge
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On June 25 2010 03:38 L wrote: No. The 3 teams I had my eye on were teams 3, 8 and 9. A deeper motive for korynne protecting team 9 as mafia? They're allies and she wanted out. From the town's perspective? Well, derp derp, Korynne was trying to kill them until the very end. Why bother switching if she originally wanted 9 gone? Because someone would 'out' themselves as mafia by vote switching? Well, she specifically mentions that she acted to prevent chez from acting, which means her entire system of logic is built on excuses. Look at the vote history. There was a huge swing away from team 7 onto 9. 2 only got put into the lead because a far stronger wagon derailed and there wasn't enough time to switch onto 9. That isn't a town 'plan' like korynne's trying to defend. The move makes literally 0 sense from a town perspective if she thought 9 was a fantastic target. What's most likely is the following; Korynne is mafia and knows that neither of the teams are mafia. In splitting her/radfields focus she allows herself to distance from the push against an innnocent team, and she can put her almost abstain status vote in a sort of quasi-explained limbo. What's more? The method of argumentation she uses pre-supposes that 9 is innocent. Well why the fuck did you+radfield push them if you thought they were green? This for instance strikes me as a way L's demeanor helps him. I would never make this kind of post on a team I was about to kill. But again maybe L has some convoluted scheme revolving around he knew what he was doing then, planned on killing korynne, and then assuming someone would pick up it later, and take it as a evidence of him not being scum. | ||
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Inactivity is still a problem and probably will be through the game, but any thoughts on team 4? Im sure you have some opinions of darth after the other game. He seems to state that his posting wold be exactly the same whether hes mafia or town. I know you were in pm contact for a bit and trusted what he had said for the most part. Your word would outclass mine in this regard. I know yo generally feel that game was a bit nooby, but I doubt you let that distrupt your messages to darth. | ||
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-lylo -ebwop? -jeep im sure they are those watchamacallits that are the first letter of each word, but i cant put my finger on them | ||
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i told laxer t4 was probably red, but we got roleblocked, 2nd day i just wasnt sober enought to whip ot my phone int the past 2 days, but honestly with some hotchicks graduating, i doubt i ccould have mustered the strehgth. Im personally glad i leaned toward t4 at the end there and all more hunches were right. i only have to apologize to L for the shitty game we townies played. Gonna maybe post more if my finvgers stop shaking. goodnight lol | ||
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but seriously whenever i initially posted i was very inflenced by a certain substance, so i always had to rectify my posts with logical answers, which I guess kinda helped in the end when everyone was still to reserved to focus against bad posters. Screw inactives, let those guys have homosex all they want, just ignore them and spammers as the game goes on | ||
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I swear to god id like to see any of you gys live after day1 when reading that forum. Fuckin makin fub of "bumats" tgeam whens hes delusional. I haxd all yo shit nailed if i wasnt to scared to come out completely on day2 and just say T4 was red. | ||
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On June 28 2010 14:28 bumatlarge wrote: Fuckin laxer get you shit together, nearly got myself lybched abot 40 times doind the right thing. but seriously whenever i initially posted i was very inflenced by a certain substance, so i always had to rectify my posts with logical answers, which I guess kinda helped in the end when everyone was still to reserved to focus against bad posters. Screw inactives, let those guys have homosex all they want, just ignore them and spammers as the game goes on I was just kidding by the way laxer... | ||
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