EPTWhat would you rather T9 dead then T2, assuming no prior knowledge of T2's innoncence.
Team Melee Mini Mafia - Page 3
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
What would you rather T9 dead then T2, assuming no prior knowledge of T2's innoncence. | ||
|
bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + It would seem I didnt have the balls and Korynne did End irony. | ||
|
bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
1) 9 was relatively quiet, which means they were comfortable with how they were posting. When votes came on to them, both of them made it very clear they were not comfortable and went through a good deal of wishy washy voting to prepare their thoughts on the whole matter. By the time I read their posts that were very similar to BM's attempt at survival, it was nearing the deadline. Due to T2's style and chez absence at that time, I preferedd losing them as opposed to T9's potential to help the town. 2) Out of the selfish logic to put the votes on them rather then myself. My death wouldnt lead anywhere and both the other teams still could be mafia. The only certainty I had was myself being town, and I was going to keep myself alive if push came to shove. I would have switched my vote to anyone BM or darth asked me to. | ||
|
bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
 | ||
|
bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
I'm going to put my vote on them, as it seems alot of people are in agreement with this line of thought. I'm willing to put the vote on first, as I think this will be a decent time for newer townies to risk themselves against more experienced players. I was fairly cautious as a mafia, but now that we don't have much of an alternative, I'm willing to stay true to the amateur townie habits I've developed. It's a shame I haven't gotten to witness Darth as townie, so I could give him more leniency for his style, but this doesn't seem radically different from his previous game. | ||
|
bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On June 25 2010 14:20 DarthThienAn wrote: Thanks for the compliment... But your logic doesn't really make sense. You think I'm pro-town, therefore I must be mafia. What would happen if I seemed like mafia to you? It's an impossible situation for me, which means there's a problem somewhere. Seriously, think about it. If I always seem pro-town, then it's not an aspect of my play you can call me scummy for. I don't think it's bad that the town thought I was pro-town last game, and I don't think it's bad if I come across as pro-town to you this game. That's supposed to say "OK, he's less of a suspect, who looks more suspicious?" If I actually have that good of a playing style (which I doubt), then you can't base my scumminess on that, because it's always the same - therefore, it doesn't indicate my role toward either alignment. And to lynch players because they are 'good' players and might be mafia is just silly, and encourages bad play. Furthermore, if you lynch all the good players, bad players will be left over, and the town will most likely lose because they are bad. If you're going to base this on our last game, I could say the same about you. Your posts seem pretty much the same to me, and I've commented on what I think about them. But I don't call you scummy because of your playing style and I don't consider your previous game style too much. When I call some of your posts scummy, it's because most of your posts aren't that great -> spam -> bad for the thread -> ~scummy. But you've had decent posts too, which is why I didn't push harder for your lynch and think you could easily be town. Anyway. Where do you get your "strong feeling" that either me/Ace or L is mafia? Show me proof. What doesn't match up? Just because I, or Ace, or L have the ability to appear pro-town while being mafia, does not make us mafia. "I'm afraid we will definitely lose if team 4 is mafia and not lynched today." People said that last game too about me being mafia mayor. Town still won. Granted we sorta gave up after the DT checks came in, but having a good player as mafia != autolose for town. Who's in agreement with your line of thought? Maybe L, because he and Ace are still catfighting + because he was vague about who had "terrible posts" in the last couple pages. Maybe Durak even though his point about me in that last post isn't really valid. Maybe Divinek? All he's done is cry about me voting for him to get his team posting more, which ended up happening, more because of Radfield though I guess. Your 'taking a risk' by voting for me isn't a risk at all either. Because you preface your vote with that paragraph, your voting first absolutely nothing about you, because it can be taken either way. "I'm willing to put the vote on first, as I think this will be a decent time for newer townies to risk themselves against more experienced players" This sentence is all fluff, for example. Also, if I'm mafia, why am I posting in a dead thread when I could just let it be? See you all in ~24 hours. I expect Ace to reinforce why your logic doesn't really hold if he needs to. "Also, if I'm mafia, why am I posting in a dead thread when I could just let it be?" Because that's not how you play mafia from what I've gathered. I have to be honest, I think this is the worst I've played a game of mafia ever, with genuinely incoherent ideas and roundabout logic that doesn't go anywhere. I've been desperate and nonchalant and ultimately ignorant of what I should do as a townie. I've pissed on the serious gameplay along with BM and chez, and I got well deserved dirt for it. I havent put all the effort I could have into my posts, and I still feel like I make all sorts of errors. But this game isn't about how well you construct your posts and your helpfulness, it's about getting rid of scum. I've read everyone of the posts you have made in this and the previous game. Your a great player and know how the game works and what "should" be done. That's why when that red role lands on you again, your forced to have this set way of going about it. That's what alot of the veterans have done also. I can't read people for shit. I could barely do it in the game where I was mafia. I've tried here, but I just can't be ignorant that people are capable of making concrete townie analysis in a game with no real evidence. Except when people start dying. I doubt anyone appreciated BM and chez, because it's not something you should condone. But very good players hate it most of all, because they arent allowed to play the game "properly" when that element of randomness is pressured on to an already random-ish guessing game. So it's preferable for the town to feel a need to get rid of them, avoid resorting to finger-pointing, one free--nighttime. But I could throw this on anyone. Killing team 1 is another thing. Why arent you dead? The general consensus is that you are the strongest team player and analysis wise. You haven't thrown anyone under the wheels, except for maybe Ace on L but I will get to that. From a purely red PoV without any deep thought, I'd kill you in a heart beat. Team 1 arent some nobody team, they posted clear and logical posts without being overly committed to the game. Text-book vanilla right there. Text-book night hit right there. But they did suggest being suspicious of you, so you'd assume you could get away with that suspicion because that is outweighed by how towny you are. I feel you got sloppy, thought maybe all these "lower-tier players" wouldn't really have the gall to accuse you guys of something. Of course you'd never call them bad players, right? Just unfamiliar and accepting of criticisms. Criticism means brownie points in your book. +1 townieness. Maybe Im getting into gross miscalculations here? But Im not going to ask team 4 to correct me in that matter, Im going to ask the rest of the town. Maybe L is very clever like people suggest. Ace seemed to be against him from the start, which I completely understand from both red and green sides. I was really appalled at caller for that modkill, as I expected them to be your rival team in terms of decent players. But that screams strategic modkill in my book, if L's team is scum. Flamewheel said it was a valid modkill on inactivity, and caller said he had a strategy going into this game involving being inactive or something, so I think it's safe to assume L had nothing to do with it. So from L being mafia viewpoint; team 2 was the same thing, free nighttime. I'd only hit team 1 if I was really afraid of a medic on you, or the things Ace had said were to direct. He plays a complicated game when it comes to posting, so I can only assume he's just as complicated with his self-interest in the hard facts of the game. So I want L to address it, with no condescending remarks on a person's reasoning and then dismissing them illogical. Because to me, that's bullshit. I hope the town steps it up, and lynches either Team 4 or L. Or then you can lynch me. And I'm going to keep saying that "fluff" because I'd almost like everyone to realize I was completely frank and open about it, as much as town winning the game. It's a nice feeling when town sees your legitimate, one of the boons of being vanilla. | ||
|
bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On June 25 2010 03:38 L wrote: No. The 3 teams I had my eye on were teams 3, 8 and 9. A deeper motive for korynne protecting team 9 as mafia? They're allies and she wanted out. From the town's perspective? Well, derp derp, Korynne was trying to kill them until the very end. Why bother switching if she originally wanted 9 gone? Because someone would 'out' themselves as mafia by vote switching? Well, she specifically mentions that she acted to prevent chez from acting, which means her entire system of logic is built on excuses. Look at the vote history. There was a huge swing away from team 7 onto 9. 2 only got put into the lead because a far stronger wagon derailed and there wasn't enough time to switch onto 9. That isn't a town 'plan' like korynne's trying to defend. The move makes literally 0 sense from a town perspective if she thought 9 was a fantastic target. What's most likely is the following; Korynne is mafia and knows that neither of the teams are mafia. In splitting her/radfields focus she allows herself to distance from the push against an innnocent team, and she can put her almost abstain status vote in a sort of quasi-explained limbo. What's more? The method of argumentation she uses pre-supposes that 9 is innocent. Well why the fuck did you+radfield push them if you thought they were green? This for instance strikes me as a way L's demeanor helps him. I would never make this kind of post on a team I was about to kill. But again maybe L has some convoluted scheme revolving around he knew what he was doing then, planned on killing korynne, and then assuming someone would pick up it later, and take it as a evidence of him not being scum. | ||
|
bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
Inactivity is still a problem and probably will be through the game, but any thoughts on team 4? Im sure you have some opinions of darth after the other game. He seems to state that his posting wold be exactly the same whether hes mafia or town. I know you were in pm contact for a bit and trusted what he had said for the most part. Your word would outclass mine in this regard. I know yo generally feel that game was a bit nooby, but I doubt you let that distrupt your messages to darth. | ||
|
bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
| ||
|
bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
-lylo -ebwop? -jeep im sure they are those watchamacallits that are the first letter of each word, but i cant put my finger on them | ||
|
bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
| ||
|
bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
i told laxer t4 was probably red, but we got roleblocked, 2nd day i just wasnt sober enought to whip ot my phone int the past 2 days, but honestly with some hotchicks graduating, i doubt i ccould have mustered the strehgth. Im personally glad i leaned toward t4 at the end there and all more hunches were right. i only have to apologize to L for the shitty game we townies played. Gonna maybe post more if my finvgers stop shaking. goodnight lol | ||
|
bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
| ||
|
bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
but seriously whenever i initially posted i was very inflenced by a certain substance, so i always had to rectify my posts with logical answers, which I guess kinda helped in the end when everyone was still to reserved to focus against bad posters. Screw inactives, let those guys have homosex all they want, just ignore them and spammers as the game goes on | ||
|
bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
I swear to god id like to see any of you gys live after day1 when reading that forum. Fuckin makin fub of "bumats" tgeam whens hes delusional. I haxd all yo shit nailed if i wasnt to scared to come out completely on day2 and just say T4 was red. | ||
|
bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On June 28 2010 14:28 bumatlarge wrote: Fuckin laxer get you shit together, nearly got myself lybched abot 40 times doind the right thing. but seriously whenever i initially posted i was very inflenced by a certain substance, so i always had to rectify my posts with logical answers, which I guess kinda helped in the end when everyone was still to reserved to focus against bad posters. Screw inactives, let those guys have homosex all they want, just ignore them and spammers as the game goes on I was just kidding by the way laxer... | ||
| ||
