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Korynne
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Korynne
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+ Show Spoiler + Uhh...I have a hard time understanding what bumatlarge is saying, to be honest. There's a rather awkward post: "This seems to have escalated above us yellow, lets go into a hidey-hole and wait for the whole thing to blow over" I mean it could just be a joke and whatever, but what if it was supposed to be a response to YellowInk that he accidentally posted in the thread? I would put the likelihood of that at like 3% but something to reconsider if either of them turns out red. Okay honestly I have a lot of trouble reading bumatlarge's posts... bumatlarge encourages people to post quality stuff. I don't get this whole I'll bandwagon myself if it gets to day 4 thing, but it turns my radar down some because it would be rather silly for mafia to propose such a weird idea. They obviously can't die at night so it's like saying, if we survive 3 lynches, let's not survive another one! I don't think bum is good enough to pull a risky move like this as mafia. Conclusion: I don't know...bumatlarge just feels really confusing to me. I wouldn't mind lynching them or giving them another day to clear up. I don't like bum's lynch us day 4 claim, because it means mafia can keep you around to day 4 and win essentially if you are town. But without the threat of killing you day 4 then you could be making a decent mafia move. | ||
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Korynne
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Also YellowInk, I'm at work, I assume Radfield is doing something important like work or something. xP We're more of the 5-10pm EST kind of people so just be patient with that one. xP I've just posted analysis on BM/Chez and LaX/bum because it was like something specific I could do without much interaction with the thread. | ||
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Korynne
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I don't have enough votes to switch, and Radfield is not around. So I will save analysis for after the day ends in 2 minutes. | ||
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I can't sway the vote to any other team, so I might as well consolidate the current vote to make sure no one does anything shifty. | ||
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Korynne
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It's like, if we needed majority to lynch and voting was tied, I would vote switch just to make sure lynching happened. I mean, this case it wasn't like no lynch was going to happen but I still didn't like that uncertainty hanging around. Also like, team 9 has been posting more, and people have expressed wanting to leave them around for longer, especially since they're relatively new. You and Chez spam up the thread like no other so like, meh, s'okay to see you go. | ||
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Korynne
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Or now that BM/Chez are not around. For the newer teams we spared Day 1 (7,8,9 ish?) I would suggest doing analysis on people. Not that vets shouldn't but I mean they've posted more content. I'll do more analysis tomorrow. | ||
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Korynne
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Things were less likely to change as a result of my vote. | ||
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Korynne
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1) BM/Chez innocent, team 9 innocent: switching last minute makes no sense whoever dies means the same. If BM/Chez live it's probably better because everyone hates them whereas team 9 looks like they're making a comeback. 2)BM/Chez innocent, team 9 mafia: If I knew team 9 was my mafia buddies then Radfield pushing so hard to get them lynched would've been a really bad idea when so many other people supported lynching Chez/BM or bumcannon. Me voting for them before leaving for dinner not knowing when I'd come back would also be rather ballsy. DCLXVI, I don't like how you're pushing to lynch us rather than you. So far we have not been under suspicion, and you guys have, not to mention Radfield basically pushed for your lynch all along. I also don't like how you're hinting at the fact that if we get lynched and we turn out green someone that implies that you guys are more green. | ||
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Korynne
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I don't think it's good to cast everyone under suspicion. If Chezinu came in at the last moment and switched over to you guys, you guys are dead. Then we're all over Chez/BM for the next day and mafia can easily hide. And like I said, it would be rather stupid for Radfield to push for killing you guys if we're a team of mafia. | ||
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Korynne
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On June 24 2010 12:07 DCLXVI wrote: Well I don't understand why you would prevent a vote switch as a townie or a mafia unless you want to put more suspicion on us (as well as yourself). As I pointed out someone vote switching would only help the town in the long run, and you tried to prevent that? I think I implied that it is likely that we are the same alignment from a town perspective, please point out where I am wrong with that logic. Since I know that I am town and Radfield did nearly kill us, that makes me think that you are mafia and you wanted the town to think that we are the same alignment. Therefore if the town lynches us next and we show up green, then you could look very pro-town. That is why I want you lynched first, since you did the actions that make both of us look scummy. I completely disagree. But I'll let other members like Ace or L chime in on the scumdar factor of that switch. How does vote switching help town in the long run? If you guys are green, town freaks out and goes OMG THE VOTE SWITCHER IS MAFIA and we bicker about that for a day and real mafia can just hide out while we lynch at least one of the switcher and BM/Chez. Right, town thinks we're the same alignment, because Radfield was the one who pushed for your lynch even though Ace is like omg BM/Chez so mafia! We're sooo associated, because if I hadn't switched, oh, BM/Chez would've died anyway. And to top it off, let's just point out to the world just how connected we are by yelling at each other. All I can see here from you is that you found one little thing to poke at and you're going to push it and make it a big deal. No one else has expressed that they think we are associated, nor do I think if you turned up red/green it should reflect on us. If it was any other group I would've done the same. See before now I was voting for you guys mainly because Radfield figures you're scum, and without a strong read on anyone else I was okay with going with his idea (we agreed to vote together). Now I'm thinking you're very scummy. You're trying to get us lynched and clear yourselves. If you are town, how do you know we're not going to turn up red? If you think we look so scummy and you think we're going to turn up red then it reflects poorly on you since you decided to tie us into a bundle. So the only way this idea makes any sense is for you to be mafia. Oh also, what really kicks you in the bum is that you seem to say 1. we're connected 2. it makes us look scummy together. Never once have you said you, team 1, korynne and radfield, looks scummy period. Because you don't think we're scummy, you think that lynching us will clear your scummy name. I've been accusing you of being scum, you've just been trying to lynch us while tying us together. Sorry DCLXVI, but I don't really see how you can talk yourself out of this one. | ||
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Korynne
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We lynch me and Radfield, results: We turn up townie: Oh look they're townie so we must be townie right?? - DCLXVI We turn up mafia: Oh but I thought they were going to be townies, I swear I'm not associated with them! (So why did you want to lynch them if you thought they were townies...) Oh but, they turned out mafia so it's all good right?? (...) -DCLXVI Whereas if we lynch you guys: You turn up townie: Oh wow they made a really stupid move as townies then. (no comment anywhere about confirming us in any way of being not mafia) -me You turn up mafia: Well there, we caught them, moving along now. -me | ||
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Korynne
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I'm still unhappy with the wording of your post, in that you said a potential roleblocking of the medic instead of the DT. It makes it sound like you're looking at it from mafia's perspective rather than town's perspective. (Okay, so we have a roleblocker, so there's 50% chance there's a medic, then they have a 12.5% chance of protecting the person we're hitting... and then hopefully we can block the medic or DT or something...) Rather than from town's point of view: There's 50% chance we have a medic, 50% chance we have a DT, 12.5% chance to protect someone, 25% chance DT catches mafia, and really the setup with both DT/medic is just better for us compared to dt/medic because it's not likely that the mafia will find both. It feels like you are only thinking of nothing vs. dt+medic rather than nothing, dt, medic, dt+medic. | ||
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Korynne
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Me and Radfield were the 2nd and 3rd to vote for T9, and that's probably only because we don't like to vote early. Darth was the first to vote for T9 but he's a vote switcher. So you're telling me if T9 was mafia and we were mafia it would be a really good idea to start a bandwagon on them? I went out for dinner and I mentioned that, and it would also totally be a good idea to vote for my mafia teammates and then just leave for a while and hope for the best... My actions didn't change anything from happening, nor could I have changed anything from happening. Chez didn't come back and vote for T9. I was f5ing the voting thread for the 2 minutes after I voted until it was time's up. So let's see, I'm around and clearly active from :55 to :05 and I just decide to switch over to BM/Chez even though they were going to get lynched anyway, when I could just f5 the thread to make sure Chez didn't vote switch at the last minute. My actions didn't change anything, other than the fact that now T9 is flipping at me trying to tie us both together and not directly accusing us of being scummy (in fact, if we turn out scum they pretty much just hung themselves). They're saying, well... I can see how you guys would tie us to T1 (even though no one else mentioned it, johnnyspazz said MY actions looked shifty, not that T1 and T9 are related) so like, you guys should lynch them to make sure we're clean. Rather than like, well we're townies so even though this might look suspicious we think that T1 is probably not mafia because if they were it wouldn't make a difference if we died or BM/Chez died. Essentially, they are saying: 1. If one of us turns out mafia, then the other is mafia. 2. If one of us turns out town, the other is town. So they should know that they are town...therefore they should not be supporting lynching T1. There's zero mention of I don't think T1 is mafia but I understand if you guys want to lynch one of us to figure it out. They're very much clearly pushing to lynch us, which can only mean that they are mafia and know that we're town and so want us to die to prove their innocence. Also FoS on L for not addressing any of the logical points in my post and just calling bullshit on something that didn't change the outcome of anything. | ||
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On June 25 2010 03:30 DCLXVI wrote: Either I didn't word my posts correctly or you just misunderstood, but I don't believe that we are the same alignment. I said that you saving T9 makes it look like we are both scum. If you are townie then you just made a pointless switch. The town would want to see a vote switch because yes, it would heavily implicate a team. No townie team in their right mind would do that. Your team pushed to get T9 killed by started up the bandwagon. You also stated that you would like to see BM/Chez around for another day. Then you decide to prevent chez from saving his team while saving mine in the process. How is this beneficial for the town at all? You just created chaos in the town by doing a pointless vote switch - why? Why would a town team try to create chaos for no change in the outcome? Lynching you would not prove that t9 is green, I just think that you are red. You stir up commotion for no apparent reason while casting suspicion on my team. Before now you've never really called me scummy. You were just like oh my god we look like we're so associated. Let's lynch you to make sure we're clear. Like honestly, anyone who cannot see the totally different thing you're saying now compared to after I changed my vote is either blind or can't read. So now you've switched your idea and are now saying oh hey you guys are so scummy we're innocent? If you guys are innocent and we're mafia why would we switch votes to oh look, another group of innocent townies. Seems rather silly, especially if they're going to get lynched anyway. So far Ace seems okay with what I did, and so does bumatlarge. So that means at least one of the three groups of us is not mafia. Johnnyspazz made a very non-committed statement by saying what I said was fishy and then going well I'm probably just overthinking. You and L are really pushing it, so from what I can see, either johnnyspazz is mafia and is trying to get the ball rolling for someone else to hammer us and he gets out free, or you and L are mafia and are picking at this one little thing to lynch me for. The whole purpose of my vote switch is to make people talk. I feel like DCLXVI is really like omg I found something let's push it and get team 1 killed. Radfield thought you guys were suspicious and voted for you but there wasn't really a lot there. Now I feel like I've managed to push you over the edge and I'm getting somewhere with the scum hunting based on your reactions to my post. I want to hear all the teams opinions on my vote switching, but as far as I'm concerned, my vote switch did not change the outcomes of the day's lynch. If anyone is creating chaos that's DCLXVI and L. If town just reacted like Ace being like meh whatever didn't change a thing then it would just mean that even if I was mafia I failed to create chaos. What I did manage to do as town is to make DCLXVI talk and I personally believe he dug himself into a hole after his change of opinion from omg that makes us both look really scummy so we should lynch you guys because you did the vote switch to oh well i must have phrased what i said poorly then what I meant is that i think you're scummy. If you thought I was scummy you would make a post like johnnyspazz saying you look fishy for what you did rather than oh hey you made us look like we're associated. | ||
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Korynne
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I never really said I believed that BM/Chez was town or mafia. This was my conclusion from my analysis: Conclusion: Well they are really active... so I mean that's a plus. However quality of posting isn't all that great, but it is Day 1. I'm okay with letting them live at least another day to get a better read, since they are pretty guaranteed to speak a lot. So all I said is I'm okay with them living another day, because they're active so it's easier to get a read on them than say some townies who have posted like nothing. I also noted that the quality of their posts wasn't that great(but that's just a Chez/BM type of thing). When day starts I will be voting for team 9 unless someone else turns up super scummy because I don't like the inconsistency in DCLXVI's argument. | ||
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I think really Radfield was the only one thinking T9 was scum (didn't check the thread to confirm) but most people were just like yo let's put some pressure on T9 since T7 started talking now. Besides, everyone agrees that BM/Chez spam up the thread like no other. We've all been having real analysis and conversation for the last couple pages since they died, that helps out town in my books. | ||
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Korynne
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Look at the lack of spam these last couple pages! We can definitely get a good read on what me, Ace, L, DCLXVI have said in these two pages compared to like 25 pages of spam before that that. Also Ace, what is your opinion of how scummy DCLXVI is based on his posts during the night? | ||
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