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@ Radfield: here's a post from BM at the end of the last page, seems you missed it. On June 21 2010 07:44 Bill Murray wrote: To clear up some things: i'll make a thread for mayoral voting you may nameclaim or roleclaim just don't claim masons or I will modkill you keep it clean, please So mass role claiming IS an option. Mass role claiming has the advantage of forcing mafia to come up with fake names/roles, and in the event of a name clash we clearly will end up with knowing 1 of 2 people are mafia. However, we have no idea whether mafia have been provided a safe list of town names to prevent this sort of this from happening. Even if they were not provided a list, there are plenty of characters in HP to choose from and it seems likely they could get away with it. Another potential advantage is allowing the town to coordinate night actions together and possibly verify that people are doing what they are supposed to be doing through tracker type roles. However, since this is a special game I wouldn't be surprised if there are more town aligned special roles than normal. It would get confusing coordinating 8 town blues, and worse, we'd have no easy way to judge whether there are mafia mixed in the blues. Given that the potential advantages don't look great in this particular set up, and the clusterfuck that the last game was when we roleclaimed, and the fact that the town won so easily partly due to 2 lucky events (L acted stupidly enough to get shot by citizen, ~Opz~ was modkilled) I would argue vehemently against a mass role claim. | ||
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Amber, why don't you post a plan you'd carry out as mayor, including first lynch?  | ||
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On June 23 2010 00:00 Hesmyrr wrote: Guys, you are missing this post. acrossfivejulys -> Amber[light]. AFJ, what specific part of amber[light]'s post did you like? It is in responsibility of nominee to also give a reason for nomination so if nominated is mafia he/she can't go like "oh I picked someone in random lol". We need to know if the nomination is mafia push, or legit pro-town reasoning. Well if you'd taken the time to read my original post nominating amber, you'd see that I said (at a time where not much about players was known) that he seemed to be posting pro town, analyzing the rules and such. | ||
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On June 23 2010 04:00 Radfield wrote: couldn't you just have been mafia AFJ? I would have looked so good.... You could always try your luck this game -_^ if we keep playing together, eventually you'll be right! To be fair, for a few hours I was fairly convinced you were red last game when you turned out green. Anyway, unless the rest of the town wakes up and starts voting a lot differently, it looks like we'll have amber/radfield as our town leaders. Both of them seem rather pro town at this point, but of course, as always, don't overreact and start PM'ing your roles to them or put complete trust in them. | ||
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On June 23 2010 04:44 Jayme wrote: You aren't supposed to PM at all unless you have a role that allows it in the first place... Ah. Good point. My previous couple games have allowed it so it's ingrained in my strategizing. | ||
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Every game I've played in that I can remember, a green townie was lynched on the first day. At least he wasn't a blue. | ||
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now that it's day, we should think about what happened last night. we lost 2 people, but the DE only have 1 KP. This means one of two things: either a night vig was trigger happy and took a shot, or mafia have extra avada kadavra spells at their disposal. if it's the former, well shit, that sucks. if it's the latter, it means that role blocker(s) might know that whoever they role blocked cannot cast avada kadavra at night ("might" because this assumes that only one mafioso can use AK, which makes sense to me, otherwise it would be way OP). about today: let's get a solid lynch, based off of posting evidence. We need to focus town effort on analyzing posting behavior, and inactives, please get off your ass and help out. Everyone please select at least two people to analyze. For newbs out there, if you want to search for someone's posts, just do http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=AcrossFiveJulys&gb=date Replacing my ID which the searchee. | ||
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On June 24 2010 11:03 johnnyspazz wrote: sorry to be kinda mean to you abenson but you just regurgitate info to make it look like you have something useful to say also bm said they are only 4 DE Do you remember if it was BM that said mafia have 1 KP or if someone just said it's likely? | ||
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On June 25 2010 03:07 ~OpZ~ wrote: First another thing I noticed...Radfield didn't die night one so we should lynch him today. He's clearly mafia. I agree it's suspicious that mafia didn't go after radfield, but it does make some sense that they'd avoid hitting him. Since he doesn't have auror protection, he's a likely candidate for medic protection and as such a risky target. Besides, his lack of interest in becoming elected in the first place and doing just about nothing to gain votes after he was nominated makes me lean towards him being town. Not that I think he's a terribly useful player anyway, and the pardoner position is really only useful only in mafia hands in this kind of setup... so I would be very fine with seeing him get lynched, I just hope we can come up with some more juicy targets that are more likely to be mafia at this point. On June 15 2010 06:16 YellowInk wrote: Another flaw with any attempt to moderate whether you can explicitly name claim is that it can be unfair to deny a claim that you are a given name. For instance, can I say, "I am NOT Ron Weasly?" This gets to be a really slippery slope. If I can only deny claims made against me, I could just ask everyone to throw claims at me until they hit me, etc, an obvious breach of the spirit of the rules. Even if it weren't so blatant, it's clearly going in a direction that you do not intend. If we can't say, "I am NOT Ron Weasly," then suppose a player says I am either Ron Weasly or mafia (perhaps based on my list of abilities). It gets very messy as to how I can go about defending myself without saying whether or not I am Ron Weasly while still trying to show myself to be non-mafia. tl;dr it's really hard to moderate this kind of thing when accusations start getting thrown around. *Yawn* YellowInk's first posts in the thread are about game balance and things like that. These can not be used to judge him at all and do not fall for the "I was trying to help." Why yes, yes you were, but this was before you got your role PM that possibly coulda been Death Eater. Now it gets interesting First post of substance by yellowink http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131008¤tpage=10#186 + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2010 13:42 YellowInk wrote: MOD request: Please edit the rules to reflect actual gameplay. Upon reviewing the thread I have noticed scattered rule changes that do not appear reflected in the original post. As the thread gets larger, I will of course do my best to follow all of the rules you have set out, but we will all be using the original post as our core reference. Re my inactivity: I thought we were on a Monday start due to requests to avoid Father's day, so I did not check in here. No worries, I will be plenty active in this game, but now I have a tarnished opening record. =\ Re my nomination for MoM: I am fine with running for minister here. I don't think that I have any special qualifications beyond the other two candidates posed except, well, that I know I am town. But supposedly so do they, so yeah. If people feel that I would be a valuable choice in the election, I would gladly take the role to at least keep it out of death eater or even independant hands. My spellset would mesh reasonably well with an elected role, but regardless of election will need to remain concealed to keep its optimal efficiency. Re roleclaiming: Bill Murray has stated that we cannot mass roleclaim. We may not name claim. + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2010 05:09 Bill Murray wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2010 04:11 YellowInk wrote: My mafia experience is limited, but every game with a complete specific character list I have seen played (I've played in two) was a devastating victory for town. At some point in the game there is mass role claiming. Assuming all townies are truthful and mafia lying, that immediately brings the number of suspicious people down to #mafia x2. I'm not saying it's impossible to have a game like this balanced, but it takes a lot away from the game when, for instance here, there's only 10 people worth scouring for mafia and you effectively have 15 confirmed townies. To offset this, when there are characters in a given game, one common solution is to give the mafia a 'safe list' of what they can role claim without worry of being contested. There's still the problem here where say a player claims Ron Weasly and goes uncontested, they are nearly a confirmed townie because that role was almost certainly included in the game design. A crafty mod could leave one or two of these out just for the mafia's benefit though. To follow through on this with what you've already posted as well as preserve some integrity of mafia role claims, you could just list 25 town aligned roles and have 5 that just don't get assigned to town (and given to mafia as their safe list). I'm sure there are other ways to balance this as well. I just see complete uncontested character lists given at the start of game as a huge town advantage. Just my thoughts on the matter. I will not be accepting name claims to occur in this game unless I am sure it will be balanced or your role PM specifically states otherwise. You may spell claim, or claim whatever nonsense you want, but try not to break the game. "Not Slytherin,eh?" said the small voice. "Are you sure? You could be great, you know, it's all here in your head, and Slytherin will help you on the way to greatness, no doubt about that--- no? Re oddities in electoral positions: Note that the Minster of Magic does not have 3 votes. They get a weak form of bodyguard protection and choose the day 1 lynch. Note that the Governor does not get bodyguard protection and an indeterminate number of chances to pardon. This role seems nearly useless for town and incredibly powerful in death eater hands. I would wonder if it has some usefulness to 3rd parties. Policy decision: I think it may be a good policy to straight up say right now that if the Governor ever uses their power, we must hang the Governor the next day. We have masons, but I think that if we have a mason Governor it would just look too suspicious for them to save a mason anyhow. I would rather keep a death eater off gaining more than one day from this power guaranteed than for a potential town mason Governor to use this (since the town mason Governor has no way to confirm that the target is a mason anyway by rules). I have skimmed the thread to pick up the important bits but definitely not carefully enough to pick up on behavior, so I'll have to spend some more time on this. Still, it's just day 1, reads aren't the best. Also, prospective MoMs, if you havn't already, please indicate your interest for day 1 lynch and thoughts on how to organize. Okay, YellowInk soft claims a useful role or useful spell set I guess, and talks more on simple issues that...well...we would do anyway. Duh lynch the pardoner who fought the majority. Duh the BG protection is weak. Duh the mafia gain a day with a pardoner. He also speaks about BM not allowing name claiming (which he does now allow...or doesn't again?) Basically...I don't like soft claiming...And then progressing with a "policy decision" An interesting post now... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131008¤tpage=12#229 + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2010 02:56 YellowInk wrote: @ day 1 lynching policy: Unless a good red argument is presented, I would go after whomever is least active that is not going to be modkilled. We need people to be active to root out the red, so I encourage everyone to post frequently. @ existance of bus driver: I am sure this is a game full of spells. Be wary of when and how you use them. The bus driver is devastating if they can predict your movements. @ existance of godfather: With 4 death eaters and one being godfather, investigation seems even less useful than ever. If your investigations are of a limited number, use them wisely. If they are extremely limited, I would probably wait until you have someone analyzed on behavior before trying to check them out. @ DT investigations of me: I'm going to try to avoid wasting any of our investigations by saying that I would not be a good target for this. Whether you believe that makes me pro town or pro mafia is up to you. However I will say that in a few days if I am under heavy suspicion and people come after me with a lynch I should have enough substance to be able to defend myself and show myself to be town. @ medics: Whether this claim makes me worth of protecting or not is up to you. I would recommend slightly against protecting me as I would hate to see multiple medics covering me. It's good to keep the death eaters guessing on their targets, though. My partial claim should serve this well. Because I have come forward to say these things, I think that this would make me an ideal Governor. If I am red and end up being forced to use my pardon early, you will lynch me and my partner the following day - town would be in an excellent position. Since I have stated that if I come under suspicion later in the game I will likely be able to defend myself, you could use that to see that I am not red and therefore not have to worry about getting ambushed by a pardon effect in the late game. I would be fine if chosen as Minister of Magic as well, but I think with what I have claimed that the death eaters would not target me in the unprotected role of Governor due to fear of being blocked by a medic. Okay, we've all been talking about that we need to be active. Some people aren't going to be. You changed your lynch policy pretty face when I agreed that I would vote for you if you ran to lynch DC...Your partial claim should serve what well? That you get medic protection? The mafia would like that if you were, but you tried to push it off right...Oh wait...Then you said you'd probably get it anyway...whole thing wild eh? And with regards to the bolded part... Why pardon? I mean...You don't have to even if it is a mafia member. We all know that. It'd be better to not pardon in many instances. And you keep emphasizing you would rather have the pardon. Just like Radfield...wild I say! On June 23 2010 06:31 YellowInk wrote: I'll bite. I don't have a read on DCLXVI either way. If I'm elected MoM (which I think is unlikely), I'll lynch DCLXVI unless there is some other compelling argument. DCLXVI, don't take this the wrong way, I don't think I'll be elected MoM anyhow.  You should vote for me to get me into Gov if you have faith in me over the other two candidates. I believe you do since you voted for Roffles.I have to agree with the sentiment of not liking the Amber[light] & Radfield together ticket. Lol...So nice...He still wants to be Governor.... Supporters of the YellowInk: ElyAs JohnnySpazz LaXerCannon (Townie/Killed) and Please begin On June 24 2010 02:07 Hesmyrr wrote: Is night over? Want to start analyzing soon. [/QUOTE] The part I agree with is that his soft role claim is very suspicious, since he was using it to push his election, notably pushing to get the pardoner position which is always great for mafia -- he gets the benefit of some town trust that comes with a blue claim, while avoiding having to prove himself by claiming being able to use a specific spell. He's also been a little more slippery and less of a town leader this game than in XVI when I played with him, which makes me a little more suspicious of him. I guess I'm about 60% leaning towards mafia for YI. | ||
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Man opz, your post is a clusterfuck. Try to organize your thoughts better in the future. Regardless, you've brought forth some interesting ideas. On June 25 2010 03:07 ~OpZ~ wrote: First another thing I noticed...Radfield didn't die night one so we should lynch him today. He's clearly mafia. I agree it's suspicious that mafia didn't go after radfield, but it does make some sense that they'd avoid hitting him. Since he doesn't have auror protection, he's a likely candidate for medic protection and as such a risky target. Besides, his lack of interest in becoming elected in the first place and doing just about nothing to gain votes after he was nominated makes me lean towards him being town. Not that I think he's a terribly useful player anyway, and the pardoner position is really only useful only in mafia hands in this kind of setup... so I would be very fine with seeing him get lynched, I just hope we can come up with some more juicy targets that are more likely to be mafia at this point. *Yawn* YellowInk's first posts in the thread are about game balance and things like that. These can not be used to judge him at all and do not fall for the "I was trying to help." Why yes, yes you were, but this was before you got your role PM that possibly coulda been Death Eater. Now it gets interesting First post of substance by yellowink http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131008¤tpage=10#186 + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2010 13:42 YellowInk wrote: MOD request: Please edit the rules to reflect actual gameplay. Upon reviewing the thread I have noticed scattered rule changes that do not appear reflected in the original post. As the thread gets larger, I will of course do my best to follow all of the rules you have set out, but we will all be using the original post as our core reference. Re my inactivity: I thought we were on a Monday start due to requests to avoid Father's day, so I did not check in here. No worries, I will be plenty active in this game, but now I have a tarnished opening record. =\ Re my nomination for MoM: I am fine with running for minister here. I don't think that I have any special qualifications beyond the other two candidates posed except, well, that I know I am town. But supposedly so do they, so yeah. If people feel that I would be a valuable choice in the election, I would gladly take the role to at least keep it out of death eater or even independant hands. My spellset would mesh reasonably well with an elected role, but regardless of election will need to remain concealed to keep its optimal efficiency. Re roleclaiming: Bill Murray has stated that we cannot mass roleclaim. We may not name claim. + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2010 05:09 Bill Murray wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2010 04:11 YellowInk wrote: My mafia experience is limited, but every game with a complete specific character list I have seen played (I've played in two) was a devastating victory for town. At some point in the game there is mass role claiming. Assuming all townies are truthful and mafia lying, that immediately brings the number of suspicious people down to #mafia x2. I'm not saying it's impossible to have a game like this balanced, but it takes a lot away from the game when, for instance here, there's only 10 people worth scouring for mafia and you effectively have 15 confirmed townies. To offset this, when there are characters in a given game, one common solution is to give the mafia a 'safe list' of what they can role claim without worry of being contested. There's still the problem here where say a player claims Ron Weasly and goes uncontested, they are nearly a confirmed townie because that role was almost certainly included in the game design. A crafty mod could leave one or two of these out just for the mafia's benefit though. To follow through on this with what you've already posted as well as preserve some integrity of mafia role claims, you could just list 25 town aligned roles and have 5 that just don't get assigned to town (and given to mafia as their safe list). I'm sure there are other ways to balance this as well. I just see complete uncontested character lists given at the start of game as a huge town advantage. Just my thoughts on the matter. I will not be accepting name claims to occur in this game unless I am sure it will be balanced or your role PM specifically states otherwise. You may spell claim, or claim whatever nonsense you want, but try not to break the game. "Not Slytherin,eh?" said the small voice. "Are you sure? You could be great, you know, it's all here in your head, and Slytherin will help you on the way to greatness, no doubt about that--- no? Re oddities in electoral positions: Note that the Minster of Magic does not have 3 votes. They get a weak form of bodyguard protection and choose the day 1 lynch. Note that the Governor does not get bodyguard protection and an indeterminate number of chances to pardon. This role seems nearly useless for town and incredibly powerful in death eater hands. I would wonder if it has some usefulness to 3rd parties. Policy decision: I think it may be a good policy to straight up say right now that if the Governor ever uses their power, we must hang the Governor the next day. We have masons, but I think that if we have a mason Governor it would just look too suspicious for them to save a mason anyhow. I would rather keep a death eater off gaining more than one day from this power guaranteed than for a potential town mason Governor to use this (since the town mason Governor has no way to confirm that the target is a mason anyway by rules). I have skimmed the thread to pick up the important bits but definitely not carefully enough to pick up on behavior, so I'll have to spend some more time on this. Still, it's just day 1, reads aren't the best. Also, prospective MoMs, if you havn't already, please indicate your interest for day 1 lynch and thoughts on how to organize. Okay, YellowInk soft claims a useful role or useful spell set I guess, and talks more on simple issues that...well...we would do anyway. Duh lynch the pardoner who fought the majority. Duh the BG protection is weak. Duh the mafia gain a day with a pardoner. He also speaks about BM not allowing name claiming (which he does now allow...or doesn't again?) Basically...I don't like soft claiming...And then progressing with a "policy decision" An interesting post now... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131008¤tpage=12#229 + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2010 02:56 YellowInk wrote: @ day 1 lynching policy: Unless a good red argument is presented, I would go after whomever is least active that is not going to be modkilled. We need people to be active to root out the red, so I encourage everyone to post frequently. @ existance of bus driver: I am sure this is a game full of spells. Be wary of when and how you use them. The bus driver is devastating if they can predict your movements. @ existance of godfather: With 4 death eaters and one being godfather, investigation seems even less useful than ever. If your investigations are of a limited number, use them wisely. If they are extremely limited, I would probably wait until you have someone analyzed on behavior before trying to check them out. @ DT investigations of me: I'm going to try to avoid wasting any of our investigations by saying that I would not be a good target for this. Whether you believe that makes me pro town or pro mafia is up to you. However I will say that in a few days if I am under heavy suspicion and people come after me with a lynch I should have enough substance to be able to defend myself and show myself to be town. @ medics: Whether this claim makes me worth of protecting or not is up to you. I would recommend slightly against protecting me as I would hate to see multiple medics covering me. It's good to keep the death eaters guessing on their targets, though. My partial claim should serve this well. Because I have come forward to say these things, I think that this would make me an ideal Governor. If I am red and end up being forced to use my pardon early, you will lynch me and my partner the following day - town would be in an excellent position. Since I have stated that if I come under suspicion later in the game I will likely be able to defend myself, you could use that to see that I am not red and therefore not have to worry about getting ambushed by a pardon effect in the late game. I would be fine if chosen as Minister of Magic as well, but I think with what I have claimed that the death eaters would not target me in the unprotected role of Governor due to fear of being blocked by a medic. Okay, we've all been talking about that we need to be active. Some people aren't going to be. You changed your lynch policy pretty face when I agreed that I would vote for you if you ran to lynch DC...Your partial claim should serve what well? That you get medic protection? The mafia would like that if you were, but you tried to push it off right...Oh wait...Then you said you'd probably get it anyway...whole thing wild eh? And with regards to the bolded part... Why pardon? I mean...You don't have to even if it is a mafia member. We all know that. It'd be better to not pardon in many instances. And you keep emphasizing you would rather have the pardon. Just like Radfield...wild I say! Lol...So nice...He still wants to be Governor.... Supporters of the YellowInk: ElyAs JohnnySpazz LaXerCannon (Townie/Killed) and Please begin The part I agree with is that his soft role claim is very suspicious, since he was using it to push his election, notably pushing to get the pardoner position which is always great for mafia -- he gets the benefit of some town trust that comes with a blue claim, while avoiding having to prove himself by claiming being able to use a specific spell. He's also been a little more slippery and less of a town leader this game than in XVI when I played with him, which makes me a little more suspicious of him. I guess I'm about 60% leaning towards mafia for YI. | ||
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On June 25 2010 06:37 zeks wrote: Hi guys, I don't see why we're not starting to do this right now? because it gives death eaters an extremely easy way to hit blues, and is an even worse idea now that one of our doctors is dead. the benefit for the town is it might put death eaters into an awkward position having to choose names. Also note that masons will either be lying about their name or not claim at all and you have a messy situation to sort through for the town while death eaters are picking off blues! sounds like a wonderful idea to me. | ||
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johnnyspazz Notable posts: #102: nominates YI for MoM before YI posts {next few} responds to questions/statements regarding setup with simple answers #254: states he will vote for amber because he think amber is blue #259: wants amber for MoM and YI for pardoner #260: expresses that he doesn't want radfield to be pardoner #329: criticizes abenson for posting weak analysis #338: more discussion about obvious rules, hypothesizes that there is a 3rd party serial killer that made the 2nd kill last night Connected to: strongly to YellowInk, mildly to amber Comments: johnnyspazz has focused most of his effort towards responding to inquiries about rules, and discussing minor points without really contributing to overall town strategy. This is the sort of thing you see with people who want to make the appearance of actively contributing to the town while really not doing so in a significant way, but it's also the sort of thing you see with semi active townies. He was also a supporter of YI being elected for pardoner, which is rather strange -- combined with the random people that jumped on the YI bandwagon towards the end of the voting, he's looking a tad suspicious. On the other hand, when it was looking very close at the end of the voting, johnnyspazz did not change his vote from amber to YI -- this doesn't really add up in either the case he's mafia supporting the mafioso YI or if he's townie, so I'm rather confused by that. Care to explain, johnnyspazz? I'm about 50/50 on him, no read either way as of yet. YellowInk Notable posts: {First 5 or 6} Before roles were sent out, he commented thoughtfully on the setup of the game to make it balanced. ROLES SENT OUT #186-189: more discussion on balance, asks BM to post his scattered addendum to the rules in the OP #229: asks not to be rolechecked by detectives so as to not waste them, says he feels confident in defending himself later on if he becomes a serious suspect. also softclaims blue and guns for an elected position. half asks for medic protection but says he doesn't want multiple people protecting him. #248: criticizes inactives #255: says he'd lynch DCLXVI if he was elected MoM, doesn't like amber/radfield running "together", later cites this as his reason for running for MoM #364: more criticizing of inactives Connected to: Mildly: ~Opz~ (responded to opz asking for DCLXVI to be lynched to further his campaign) Comments: I already discussed Yi briefly a few posts ago in response to Opz's criticism of him, but I'll start from scratch here in order to put things into proper context. This is definitely not the YI from mafia XVI. I don't know for sure whether he's busier now, laying (semi) low with a powerful blue role, or mafia. Honestly, he was more active before the game started! He may well be spending the time he spent in XVI and right before this game started discussing detailed plans with mafia. If nothing else, it's hypocritical to stomp in and criticize inactives while at the same time not contributing much yourself (he had only 2 posts of real substance that I saw after the game started). Now the things that really make me suspicious of him are: --he gunned for an elected position, mostly supported by random people who didn't justify their votes. --he soft claimed blue in the hope of garnering more votes, without actually revealing what he can do so he can't be held accountable later. I don't have a solid read on him, but I'm definitely leaning towards mafia. Thoughts? | ||
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Lakrismamma: in favor of lynching: inactive, useless to us not in favor of lynching: midsummer party is a really big thing in his country... and it's supposed to be big, so I do buy his story to some extent... who would let a mafia game get in the way of the biggest party of the year? the problem, though, is that same story would fit if he were mafia. so... my read on him is like 60% vanilla townie, 10% blue, 30% mafia. abenson in favor of lynching: inactive, self-preserving behavior trying not to get modkilled or noticed as particularly inactive, was rather defensive earlier when people said he was inactive. Also, he doesn't have a valid excuse for inactivity not in favor of lynching:: he could just be a bored vanilla townie, posted content about the kills from night 1. my read on him is around 45% vanilla townie, 45% mafia, 10% blue. | ||
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On June 26 2010 01:33 ~OpZ~ wrote: Honestly. I'm in favor of lynching Radfield or YellowInk. TBH we get more information from either of them being lynched. =/ Did you read my analysis of YI? I do get a strange vibe from him and would be quite alright with him being lynched. I'm always keen on going after suspicious looking higher profile people after the inactivity lynch on day 1 since you get much more information out of the lynch. Also, I just realized that I don't think lynching radfield is an option because he can just pardon himself (or can he? it doesn't say in the OP), which gives us little information on whether he's town or mafia. | ||
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Let's not forgot the middle of the line posters: Jugan: mostly defending himself from accusations, a lot of one liner posts, no real contributions to the town plan? death eater? maybe so. Jayme: hugely disproportionate time posting in other threads on TL vs in this thread, and not too many posts in this thread overall. check out his posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Jayme&gb=date His posting here, sparse as it has been, has been relatively insightful though. JeeJee: also hugely disproportionate time posting in other threads versus this thread. he hasn't posted much, but his last few posts have just been accusing elyas, which imo is fairly grounded, yet he's not pushing for it even though he feels strongly about it -- strange? ElyAs: recent activity consists of a somewhat thoughtful analysis of myself and zeks as well as responding to jeejee's accusations of him in a satisfactory manner. If I had to pick one person to lynch today it would be YI, but my second choice would be Jugan. Since people seem against going after YI today, which I understand, I'll go ahead and start a vote for Jugan because he is tinted red through my current vision. Also, I'd like to say that I am fairly confident that johnnyspazz is town at this point given his response to my question of him a few pages back. | ||
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On June 27 2010 09:27 YellowInk wrote: BM, I can't find the post where the ministry of magic banned the word mafia, but I see it has been edited into the OP. When was this put into place? Also, what is a paranoid gun owner? It's not listed in the rules either. If it's what I think it is, how did he die alone? that, and also, what is a "weak weasley bodyguard"? | ||
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On June 27 2010 09:40 YellowInk wrote: I only questioned paranoid gun owner because PGO dying alone is exceptionally rare. It's usually a pretty good role in the hands of a skilled townie because you get to take down a mafioso with you when they use their KP. I guess He Who Must Not Be Named personally killed this one. That or someone was giving a serial killer + vet in the same role, though I think the former much more likely. If rules get changed, please post them in thread as well so we don't have to accidentally notice their addition in the OP. that, or maybe he used his only kill on madame pomfrey night 2. i'm assuming that PGO is a night vigilante? or are you assuming PGO kills whoever visits them? either way, unless a doctor says they successfully protected someone last night, we can safely assume mafia KP = 1 (stacking 2 KP on hesmyrr sounds odd). | ||
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On June 27 2010 11:21 Bill Murray wrote: there is a reason the PGO did not kill the person who sent in the kill it is not good to dwell on the past move on. oh wow... we might be able to get some real information here. doctor(s), did you get a PM that you saved anyone? because if you did, you saved a death eater and we know who they are! | ||
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a death eater targeting Hesmyrr would die unless medic protected. Hesmyrr died. therefore, either DE did not kill anyone last night but a vig killed Hesmyrr instead and was medic protected, or DE killed Hesmyrr and was protected. if hypothetically a DT investigated Hesmyrr and was medic protected, how did Hesmyrr die? If a DE targetted Hesmyrr at the same time he would have died, right? | ||
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On June 27 2010 11:44 YellowInk wrote: Well I guess that depends on the definition of the PGO role which our mod is choosing not to provide to us. Also, even assuming the rest of it, medic could be protecting DT, DT investigates Hes, medic covers DT, HWMNBN hits PGO, assuming PGO has infi shots we still have medic outing DT and medic for no gain. For one example. what is HWMNBN? -_- that's a rather contrived case, but even if it happened, why didn't the death eater who targeted hesmyrr die? | ||
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But I propose this instead: you read from the beginning, then give us your own, somewhat unbiased opinion of what's happened and your opinion on the alignment of some people in the town. Go! | ||
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harry potter did a stupify curse on neville in book 1 or 2, got beaten, and heard his mother screaming. so i guess you are saying that abenson is harry potter? and yes, i will befriend you my little chezpie | ||
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We better hear a good explanation for why this is happening. We are already losing, and lynching another town aligned and suffering another night would put us into an almost unwinnable position it seems. If JeeJee/Opz are mafia (it seems like a possibility since they must have communicated by PM), lakris seems like the perfect target since he's not here to defend himself. I'm not about to vote for lakris until I hear a truthful explanation from you two. If you ARE indeed detectives, death eaters will be going after you tonight anyway (and meds can cover you), so you might as well tell the town what happened. | ||
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On June 28 2010 03:39 YellowInk wrote: @ JeeJee/LM/~OpZ~ shenanigans: I think it would be a good idea to wait untill JeeJee himself confirms LM is Nagini. Who is to say that ~OpZ~ isn't just twisting this whole thing? Remember that lynches occur when majority is hit, not just at end of day. My vote isn't going for a LM into JeeJee lynch untill I hear the words from the horse's mouth. I'm considering unvoting now. I didn't notice that JeeJee hasn't posted since he said he investigated nagini, but rather it's been ~opz~ doing all the talking... wtf? | ||
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Use your best judgement, and GL. | ||
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Was thinking the same thing when I read amber's post, but it seems possible... Nagini had leglimancy, so maybe one of the death eaters has episky? | ||
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On June 29 2010 06:26 Thegilaboy wrote: Do not kill either of those people Abenson, do not listen to Opz On June 29 2010 06:32 Thegilaboy wrote: If my checks were accurate, those two are town, do not kill them Uh... role claiming detective at night to stop a vig from hitting someone? Doesn't add up to me. | ||
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This means one of four possibilities: 1) abenson lied 2) YI was protected by a town doctor 3) YI is voldemort 4) YI was protected by a death eater after abenson announced his kill (assuming they have episky) | ||
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On June 29 2010 09:24 Amber[LighT] wrote: I roleblocked him last night, so he couldn't possibly protect himself He's almost guaranteed to be a mason or a death eater then assuming you're not full of it. Lynch time? I just hope he's not voldemort (since we can't lynch him until the 2nd horcrux is found) | ||
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On June 29 2010 09:26 Jayme wrote: Oh.... OH well then. That's an interesting turn of events there though I'm not quite sure what it means. YI has been fishy but Abenson could be straight lying. Then we lynch abenson if YI flips town. 2 remaining death eaters will get us into a good position. | ||
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On June 29 2010 09:28 JeeJee wrote: yi is probably voldy, who cares, kill his ass later btw i was roleblocked so DEs have expelliarmus lets wreck heads I was about to ask what you got back last night. frankly I'm surprised both you and ~opz~ are still alive -- maybe death eaters went after snape since you and ~opz~ were likely to be protected. | ||
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On June 29 2010 10:09 Thegilaboy wrote: All I can go off of is that YI came up town on my investigation. If some crazy busdriver madness or something equally as crazy happened that gave me a false result, then that's that. But in my very first investigation YI came up pro-town. i think you're lying. | ||
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jeejee, I ask the same question of you. don't reveal specific characters, just alignment. | ||
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1) lynch YI, since he's been posting scummy and suspiciously didn't die last night, he could be voldemort 2) lynch abenson, since he might be a death eater who was lying about shooting YI to get YI lynched 3) lynch thegilaboy, since he might be a lying death eater trying to save YI, and if he flips town we can be confident that YI/thegilaboy are town. 4) lynch another inactive | ||
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Elyas is MIA | ||
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why wouldn't the mafia take him out, then? one reason is that amber[light] is a death eater. another reason could be that they were afraid he'd be medic protected. | ||
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I guess this clears YI, since voldemort wouldn't have to cast protego on himself due to the remaining horcrux. | ||
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Amber, we are eagerly awaiting your explanation. Are you going to claim you got bussed? | ||
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Jayme has been awfully quiet lately. Don't have a specific read on him, but he does seem a bit off. Radfield... where the hell has he been? I do get a slightly scummy vibe from him, but the fact that he didn't pardon lakris gives him a small amount of credit (though if he is a death eater, he could be waiting until later to pardon a death eater so he doesn't reveal himself). Roffles has been posting pretty pro town and sensibly, and seems neutral for the most part... perhaps too much so. My recommendation for rolecheck tonight is radfield. If he does turn out red, we can lynch him before he pardons a death eater. Of course, he could be godfather, but that's always a risk. If he managed to get himself pardoner as the godfather, then he's a better player than I give him credit for. | ||
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Just for everyone's amusement, I was given a "3rd party traitor" role, where if the # of malfoys outnumbers the number of the rest of the town, malfoys win. This sounded fun, but then I realized that BM had not given me a list of their accounts or even many there were. I had to send him many PMs to try to convince him that there is no point in this malfoy win bullshit if I had almost no way of working towards my victory (how was I supposed to stop them from being killed/lynched if I didn't know who they were?). Finally, yesterday, I convinced him and he gave me the choice of whether I want to have their names or whether I should just be a normal death eater. I decided to be normal death eater because I didn't want their fucking names, I wanted their accounts, and was done trying to make him understand. Never playing in one of bill murray's games again. How hard is it to mod a mafia game? FFS. Hope the rest of you kids have fun for the remainder of the game and aren't the recipient of BM's stupidity. | ||
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On June 29 2010 16:37 Bill Murray wrote: PM TO YELLOWINK: take this to pm if you want, sir. This is about the 5th PM in the exchange. You hadn't told me from the start that I'd win with the mafia. Do you want me to post the entire PM conversation? Are you going to attempt to justify why you killed all the malfoys because one of them was modkilled for breaking rules? | ||
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