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Radfield
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OK, we seriously need to sum this up.
So Abenson is likely Draco Malfoy
Claimers
Elyas Mad Eye Moody
Chezinu Snape
JeeJee Investigative Role
Jugan is pretty sure Amber[light] is a Death Eater
JeeJee claims he has found Nagini.
Pomfrey and Shacklebolt both die on night one, but mafia only have a KP of 1. So unless mafia used their Avada Kadavra on night 1, one of them died by other means. It makes fairly decent sense that Pomfrey would have protected Hesmyrr(PGO) and hence been killed. Night two Hesmyrr dies, and doesn't take anyone with him. Either Voldy killed Hesmyrr himself, or a medic protected a death eater, or a third more unlikely scenario of Voldy killing him, AND a medic protecting a dt who investigated. Option one and two are far more likely then three, but I'm still not sure the medic should claim, since option 1 is most likely in my eyes(it only involves one person, not two or three). So medic, if you protected someone, hang onto that info but watch that person carefully, and consider that it may be advantageous to reveal that info at some point.
Moving forward we obviously lynch whomever Jeejee picked out, then lynch jeejee if that person flips green or blue. Although maybe not, since it's possible that the bus driver swapped the person whom Jeejee investigated. If this is the case Bus Driver, you need to let us know, because whomever you swapped with Jeejee's person is the real Nagini.
I'm really not sure why Jeejee is playing coy with us though and not revealing the name of nagini. It's possible the Death Eaters could kill him right now if they have Dayvig powers, although presumably that would out a different death eater(though one less valuable than Nagini).
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On June 26 2010 03:19 YellowInk wrote:
The lakrismamma bandwagon sucks. I'm surprised people like ~OpZ~, Amber[Light], and Thegilaboy are voting for this assuming they are actually town. They should know better. +2 scummy points for each of you.
Sir, you are mafia.
I've done posted why I thought you were, but I'm feeling a little more confident right now.
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I'm in agreement with JeeJee already that Lakrismamma should indeed be lynched. If we get a majority on him fast enough, we have PLENTY of time to discuss AFTER we see if he is red or green/blue...
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Radfield
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On June 27 2010 21:13 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm in agreement with JeeJee already that Lakrismamma should indeed be lynched. If we get a majority on him fast enough, we have PLENTY of time to discuss AFTER we see if he is red or green/blue...
What post are you agreeing with here Opz? Where did Jeejee push for Lakrismamma?
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Radfield
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Or am I to assume that you two can communicate outside of the thread and that you're saying Lakrismamma is nagini?
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Radfield
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Alternate theory: You cannot communicate with Jeejee outside of the thread, which means you are mafia, because you KNOW that lakris is nagini, and just accidentally outed yourself. I presume this is not the case, but hopefully Jeejee can confirm.
Unless I'm completely missing a post by JeeJee, but I sure can't find it if I am.
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Bah, the thing I wanted to happen happened, but not really 
gl town! Get those darn Death Eaters.
@ Mod: I know the way I could have died without netting a kill and is aware I am not supposed to reveal it, but can you at least do some clarification on PGO itself? If DE being protected by medic targets me, does that DE die or not?
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On June 27 2010 22:14 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 21:13 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm in agreement with JeeJee already that Lakrismamma should indeed be lynched. If we get a majority on him fast enough, we have PLENTY of time to discuss AFTER we see if he is red or green/blue... What post are you agreeing with here Opz? Where did Jeejee push for Lakrismamma?
Yeah did I miss something? I don't see a post with JeeJee pushing for LM specifically. Just posts saying that he has indeed found Nagini and that we still need to find a hidden horocrux.
Confused by this though:
On June 27 2010 22:27 Radfield wrote:
Alternate theory: You cannot communicate with Jeejee outside of the thread, which means you are mafia, because you KNOW that lakris is nagini, and just accidentally outed yourself. I presume this is not the case, but hopefully Jeejee can confirm.
Unless I'm completely missing a post by JeeJee, but I sure can't find it if I am.
Why would Opz push for Nagini's lynch if he is DE like your alternate theory states? I don't think I'm missing any strange rule here, but I'm pretty sure the DEs and Voldy want those horocruxes to stay alive.
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On June 27 2010 22:41 Hesmyrr wrote:Bah, the thing I wanted to happen happened, but not really gl town! Get those darn Death Eaters. @ Mod: I know the way I could have died without netting a kill and is aware I am not supposed to reveal it, but can you at least do some clarification on PGO itself? If DE being protected by medic targets me, does that DE die or not?
This scenario should not have happened. The medics should have been protecting themselves, if possible. There's no way a DE could protect himself AND kill within the same night.... unless another DE is able to protect as well?
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Radfield
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On June 27 2010 22:59 Thegilaboy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 22:14 Radfield wrote:On June 27 2010 21:13 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm in agreement with JeeJee already that Lakrismamma should indeed be lynched. If we get a majority on him fast enough, we have PLENTY of time to discuss AFTER we see if he is red or green/blue... What post are you agreeing with here Opz? Where did Jeejee push for Lakrismamma? Yeah did I miss something? I don't see a post with JeeJee pushing for LM specifically. Just posts saying that he has indeed found Nagini and that we still need to find a hidden horocrux. Confused by this though: Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 22:27 Radfield wrote:
Alternate theory: You cannot communicate with Jeejee outside of the thread, which means you are mafia, because you KNOW that lakris is nagini, and just accidentally outed yourself. I presume this is not the case, but hopefully Jeejee can confirm.
Unless I'm completely missing a post by JeeJee, but I sure can't find it if I am. Why would Opz push for Nagini's lynch if he is DE like your alternate theory states? I don't think I'm missing any strange rule here, but I'm pretty sure the DEs and Voldy want those horocruxes to stay alive.
Presumably at some point all DE's will turn on their compatriates. Nothing makes you look like a good townie like nailing a Death Eater.
Again, I think this is unlikely, but unless Jeejee and Opz can talk outside the thread, I don't see where Opz is getting his information. I suppose another theory is that Opz also has legilimancy, and also happened to check lakris last night, but that also seems unlikely.
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On June 27 2010 22:19 Radfield wrote:
Or am I to assume that you two can communicate outside of the thread and that you're saying Lakrismamma is nagini?
Yes, please assume that [/end sarcasm]. You Can assume Lakrismamma is Nagini though. I don't mind that one.
On June 27 2010 22:27 Radfield wrote:
Alternate theory: You cannot communicate with Jeejee outside of the thread, which means you are mafia, because you KNOW that lakris is nagini, and just accidentally outed yourself. I presume this is not the case, but hopefully Jeejee can confirm.
Unless I'm completely missing a post by JeeJee, but I sure can't find it if I am.
Idk about you, but if someone says their gonna be afk for a few days, I usually jump on that and do an alignment check... You can't just let someone you can't analyze sit there and live for 2 days and not post without doing SOMETHING. Shinbi clearly thought the same thing.
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On June 27 2010 23:20 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 22:59 Thegilaboy wrote:On June 27 2010 22:14 Radfield wrote:On June 27 2010 21:13 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm in agreement with JeeJee already that Lakrismamma should indeed be lynched. If we get a majority on him fast enough, we have PLENTY of time to discuss AFTER we see if he is red or green/blue... What post are you agreeing with here Opz? Where did Jeejee push for Lakrismamma? Yeah did I miss something? I don't see a post with JeeJee pushing for LM specifically. Just posts saying that he has indeed found Nagini and that we still need to find a hidden horocrux. Confused by this though: On June 27 2010 22:27 Radfield wrote:
Alternate theory: You cannot communicate with Jeejee outside of the thread, which means you are mafia, because you KNOW that lakris is nagini, and just accidentally outed yourself. I presume this is not the case, but hopefully Jeejee can confirm.
Unless I'm completely missing a post by JeeJee, but I sure can't find it if I am. Why would Opz push for Nagini's lynch if he is DE like your alternate theory states? I don't think I'm missing any strange rule here, but I'm pretty sure the DEs and Voldy want those horocruxes to stay alive. Presumably at some point all DE's will turn on their compatriates. Nothing makes you look like a good townie like nailing a Death Eater. Again, I think this is unlikely, but unless Jeejee and Opz can talk outside the thread, I don't see where Opz is getting his information. I suppose another theory is that Opz also has legilimancy, and also happened to check lakris last night, but that also seems unlikely.
HEY SMARTGUY...
IF I WAS DE, I tried to lynch him yesterday!!
HIGH FIVE!!!!
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On June 27 2010 22:27 Radfield wrote:
Alternate theory: You cannot communicate with Jeejee outside of the thread, which means you are mafia, because you KNOW that lakris is nagini, and just accidentally outed yourself. I presume this is not the case, but hopefully Jeejee can confirm.
Unless I'm completely missing a post by JeeJee, but I sure can't find it if I am.
Not to mention I'd be happy to point out everyone who defended Lakris, or said his lynch wasn't worth noticing. And YellowInk even went as far to say I was scummy for voting for him. DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN.
Do you really want to press the issue with me, after I blatantly came out and offered you a DE, and possibly an easy way to find MORE? You should be looking at the people who defended him, or said to ignore him, not me. Thanks for understanding Radfield.
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Radfield
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On June 27 2010 23:25 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 23:20 Radfield wrote:On June 27 2010 22:59 Thegilaboy wrote:On June 27 2010 22:14 Radfield wrote:On June 27 2010 21:13 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm in agreement with JeeJee already that Lakrismamma should indeed be lynched. If we get a majority on him fast enough, we have PLENTY of time to discuss AFTER we see if he is red or green/blue... What post are you agreeing with here Opz? Where did Jeejee push for Lakrismamma? Yeah did I miss something? I don't see a post with JeeJee pushing for LM specifically. Just posts saying that he has indeed found Nagini and that we still need to find a hidden horocrux. Confused by this though: On June 27 2010 22:27 Radfield wrote:
Alternate theory: You cannot communicate with Jeejee outside of the thread, which means you are mafia, because you KNOW that lakris is nagini, and just accidentally outed yourself. I presume this is not the case, but hopefully Jeejee can confirm.
Unless I'm completely missing a post by JeeJee, but I sure can't find it if I am. Why would Opz push for Nagini's lynch if he is DE like your alternate theory states? I don't think I'm missing any strange rule here, but I'm pretty sure the DEs and Voldy want those horocruxes to stay alive. Presumably at some point all DE's will turn on their compatriates. Nothing makes you look like a good townie like nailing a Death Eater. Again, I think this is unlikely, but unless Jeejee and Opz can talk outside the thread, I don't see where Opz is getting his information. I suppose another theory is that Opz also has legilimancy, and also happened to check lakris last night, but that also seems unlikely. HEY SMARTGUY... IF I WAS DE, I tried to lynch him yesterday!! HIGH FIVE!!!!
Are you trying to say that this clears you of all suspicion for the rest of the game? Of course not. I'm not quite sure what you're saying with all your /sarcasm etc, but I think it's that you also have Legilimancy, and also checked lakris. Given your suspicion of him yesterday, this makes more sense then I originally thought.
Surely you agree though that if a rolecheck came back on a death eater, and that death eater was exposed, then the other DE's would be quick to jump on the lynch bandwagon. Of course, I doubt they would have done so yesterday right after he made that post, which gives you a lot of cred. But still, it's important to lay out the three ways that you could have known who Jeejee was talking about. Mason, DE or Legilimans.
I'm not insinuating that you're a DE at this point, and frankly I get a fairly pro-town vibe from you. But the facts are all still there, you apparently knew jeejee was talking about lakris, you posted after he did, and you never mentioned anything about being a dt until pressed.
If you're saying I should have just ignored all these things, then you're not nearly as pro-town as I suspected. No one gets a free pass at this point.
Anyways, I do understand  and depending on how Lakris flips I assure you I WILL be looking very closely at anyone who defended him or moved the conversation elsewhere.
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On June 27 2010 23:57 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 23:25 ~OpZ~ wrote:On June 27 2010 23:20 Radfield wrote:On June 27 2010 22:59 Thegilaboy wrote:On June 27 2010 22:14 Radfield wrote:On June 27 2010 21:13 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm in agreement with JeeJee already that Lakrismamma should indeed be lynched. If we get a majority on him fast enough, we have PLENTY of time to discuss AFTER we see if he is red or green/blue... What post are you agreeing with here Opz? Where did Jeejee push for Lakrismamma? Yeah did I miss something? I don't see a post with JeeJee pushing for LM specifically. Just posts saying that he has indeed found Nagini and that we still need to find a hidden horocrux. Confused by this though: On June 27 2010 22:27 Radfield wrote:
Alternate theory: You cannot communicate with Jeejee outside of the thread, which means you are mafia, because you KNOW that lakris is nagini, and just accidentally outed yourself. I presume this is not the case, but hopefully Jeejee can confirm.
Unless I'm completely missing a post by JeeJee, but I sure can't find it if I am. Why would Opz push for Nagini's lynch if he is DE like your alternate theory states? I don't think I'm missing any strange rule here, but I'm pretty sure the DEs and Voldy want those horocruxes to stay alive. Presumably at some point all DE's will turn on their compatriates. Nothing makes you look like a good townie like nailing a Death Eater. Again, I think this is unlikely, but unless Jeejee and Opz can talk outside the thread, I don't see where Opz is getting his information. I suppose another theory is that Opz also has legilimancy, and also happened to check lakris last night, but that also seems unlikely. HEY SMARTGUY... IF I WAS DE, I tried to lynch him yesterday!! HIGH FIVE!!!! Are you trying to say that this clears you of all suspicion for the rest of the game? Of course not. I'm not quite sure what you're saying with all your /sarcasm etc, but I think it's that you also have Legilimancy, and also checked lakris. Given your suspicion of him yesterday, this makes more sense then I originally thought.
Glad you see that now...
Surely you agree though that if a rolecheck came back on a death eater, and that death eater was exposed, then the other DE's would be quick to jump on the lynch bandwagon. Of course, I doubt they would have done so yesterday right after he made that post, which gives you a lot of cred. But still, it's important to lay out the three ways that you could have known who Jeejee was talking about. Mason, DE or Legilimans.
Eh true. But you sir, are forgetting the rules anyway. If I was a mason I'd of been modkilled for answering your question earlier.
I'm not insinuating that you're a DE at this point, and frankly I get a fairly pro-town vibe from you. But the facts are all still there, you apparently knew jeejee was talking about lakris, you posted after he did, and you never mentioned anything about being a dt until pressed.
Because I'm not a DT?
If you're saying I should have just ignored all these things, then you're not nearly as pro-town as I suspected. No one gets a free pass at this point.
If I was a mason or a death eater you should of ignored all that.
Anyways, I do understand and depending on how Lakris flips I assure you I WILL be looking very closely at anyone who defended him or moved the conversation elsewhere.
You should do it now. No sense waiting. Also, you can wait til Shinbi posts whatever he was gonna post, or you can cast your vote now and help attain the majority so we can get night actions straight away.
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-er- the only sarcastic one was the "if I was a mason or a deatheater"
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WTF Chezinu exposed me
I was kinda hoping to lurk through the whole game
I am Draco Malfoy (already established)
I am a Survivor
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Yep, as opz and radfield have just gone back and forth about, something extremely fishy has just happened. JeeJee claimed he was going to reveal information, then claimed he found nagini but didn't give a name. Then, opz said he "agreed with JeeJee that lakrismam should be lynched" before JeeJee said any such thing.
We better hear a good explanation for why this is happening. We are already losing, and lynching another town aligned and suffering another night would put us into an almost unwinnable position it seems. If JeeJee/Opz are mafia (it seems like a possibility since they must have communicated by PM), lakris seems like the perfect target since he's not here to defend himself. I'm not about to vote for lakris until I hear a truthful explanation from you two. If you ARE indeed detectives, death eaters will be going after you tonight anyway (and meds can cover you), so you might as well tell the town what happened.
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On June 28 2010 01:26 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Yep, as opz and radfield have just gone back and forth about, something extremely fishy has just happened. JeeJee claimed he was going to reveal information, then claimed he found nagini but didn't give a name. Then, opz said he "agreed with JeeJee that lakrismam should be lynched" before JeeJee said any such thing.
We better hear a good explanation for why this is happening. We are already losing, and lynching another town aligned and suffering another night would put us into an almost unwinnable position it seems. If JeeJee/Opz are mafia (it seems like a possibility since they must have communicated by PM), lakris seems like the perfect target since he's not here to defend himself. I'm not about to vote for lakris until I hear a truthful explanation from you two. If you ARE indeed detectives, death eaters will be going after you tonight anyway (and meds can cover you), so you might as well tell the town what happened.
This.
We've been saying this from the beginning that if you know something to just come forward. We're going to make sure you are protected. It would be foolish for a DE to target a DT if we're making sure you are okay. If anything that risks them wasting an AK (depending on how their spells worked).
I'll keep my vote on Lakrismamma since he was supposed to die yesterday.. but we need an explanation.
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Radfield
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You should do it now. No sense waiting. Also, you can wait til Shinbi posts whatever he was gonna post, or you can cast your vote now and help attain the majority so we can get night actions straight away.
Voted Lakris back when I posted that Opz.
Two survivors? That seems kinda unlikely. My thought is that Snape would be the survivor and Draco would be the traitor. But Draco's role in Book seven wouldn't quite fit that. Book Six sure, not so much Book Seven.
But who else would the traitor be? I suppose Luna Lovegood's dad as someone mentioned earlier, but at the very least he wasn't in the first list of townies BM put out, and he's a fairly minor character.
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