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flamewheel
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On June 10 2010 11:33 Foolishness wrote: ... Seriously though, did either of you even bother to think this through? Seems to me it's like, "lulz watz this weird role? no wai it can be good as DT otherwise we'd use it more AM I RIGHT?!?" Sure did! When did I say it was not as good as the DT? | ||
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flamewheel
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Reading thread now, in after internet outage + moderating my own game. + Show Spoiler + Love you Foolishness. | ||
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Hmm, MooCow and LuDwig-... So we have two people claiming Detective. This is going to take some thought, since we also have a Tracker claim--meaning that there'd be a very minimal chance of there being two DTs. So obviously, one of them is lying. ...To PM land we go! Oh also MooCow I'm not sure how you could have expected LuDwig- to "screw up" on Day 1 seeing as very little to mess up on. | ||
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flamewheel
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On June 12 2010 03:01 LuDwig- wrote: [/blue]haahah quite easy to claim Detective when we are sending not claiming people to a corner .__. How to discover who is lying? The plan is quite easy! [blueTracker checks this night me or moocow. If one of us is lying tracker will knows that we have visited nobody during the night! So we will know for sure who is lying  MooCow...i suppose you have not problem following this plan right? There are a lot of problems with having both "Detectives" visiting the same person, and having the Tracker following one of them. Will detail my messy thoughts below. | ||
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flamewheel
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On June 12 2010 03:12 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Btw we shouldn't lynch Ludwig or MooCow because as of now what they have both claimed is legal by L's plan. We should either go after someone who claimed townie or someone who didn't claim anything. Agreed. Inactives (I relegate people who don't claim to this section) suck. However, I don't think we'll be having any of the four unclaimed people be inactive by traditional standards. Foolishness is always around, MooCow has proven to be active (though I have a very small sample size to work with), Chezinu spams and PMs, and meeple is always around. I believe if any of these people want/ed to claim, they can do so at their leisure. Lynching a green sounds okay to me because of this. As for the "both DTs check one person and tracker watches one of the DTs" plan, I had a lot of "what if" thoughts typed up but I think I can list out a few of these points to make this plan ineffective: 1) We have two DTs? Mafia faking DT knows who town is, and so can always claim "sane" to get the right check since the OP states that checks come back Town or Mafia. A real DT won't be able to know his alignment after just one check, and he can be killed off before that (guess it's a medic-mafia cat-and-mouse game on that). 2) Incognito returns DT check results as soon as he gets to them. Forum mafia, as somebody has said above, is a linear game. How do we have the two DTs decide when to release results? Of course, this can easily be remedied by deciding on a set time to release the findings... still, look at 1. Inconclusive at best. 3) Ugh, I'm tired. While there are ways for which this plan can be made tenable, I'm sure, I haven't thought about it yet. Back to PM land... Also I will not be around at the deadline time. I'll try to make a vote before I leave based on where the thread is at that point (in about 3 hours). | ||
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flamewheel
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On June 12 2010 03:18 MooCow wrote: Yea the person you roleblocked will be informed that they were roleblocked. I'm a bit fearful for my life now that i'm in the open like this so i'm going to ask if there are any kind medics around. No offence to you LuDwig but is anyone else reading LuDwig posts with a bit of an Italian accent with his grammar and wordings or is it just me?  Might be just you... | ||
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flamewheel
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On June 12 2010 11:02 L wrote: Please do not send in your night action right away!!! Important that we talk about our 2 DT check targets. Okay back. Oops JSpazz? Radfield I vote for myself knowing the prevalence of bandwagons, thus didn't want to add to either JSpazz or meeple. Yeah L is right, especially in Incognito's case--he doesn't allow changes for DT checks, not sure about the other actions. DT checks are also returned as soon as possible, remember? Given that we have claims from 2 DTs, a watcher, and a tracker, how would it be to consolidate everything? Say like... MooCow and LuDwig- check meeple. meeple flips a coin to watch one of the two. tree.hugger flips a coin to track one of the two. Out of all this we should be able to get something, at least... (50% chance that watcher and tracker find the same target, so... Thoughts? Also: On June 12 2010 11:37 MooCow wrote: I'll wait for the town to decide whoever they want checked out. I just threw my idea out there because no one else had any. If I were mafia I wouldn't of risked myself by coming out and saying i'm the 2ND DT in the game with everyone believing that there is only 1 DT in the first place. I welcome any watcher/tracker. Well there's a 50% chance i'm completely useless in terms of checking people out and on top of that making people believe I am protown. WiFOM, don't use it. There are so many damn 'ifs'. | ||
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flamewheel
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On June 13 2010 04:07 meeple wrote: Yeah you're right... it was just something that occurred to me. I don't agree with lynching Chez on the grounds of inactivity though. If I have some time to go through posts I'll come up with more suspects. Oh he's not inactive. He'll be working behind the scenes, plus there isn't too much to analyze on the first cycle... | ||
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On June 13 2010 10:40 citi.zen wrote: This is not how it works in any other game. Can a mod chime in? Actually most games that I've seen recently with roleblockers involve the person being roleblocked getting told he is roleblocked, whether he has an action or not. | ||
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flamewheel
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On June 13 2010 15:41 L wrote: I highly doubt that MooCow would suggest and check someone who is also mafia given that our current plan is to axe him in order to give DTs role information. Its possible that one is trying to set the other up, but both of them being mafia seems incredibly unlikely. You not checking AFJ kinda makes getting information our DTs harder, but if you've confirmed that there's a medic, that's awesome. The problem is that now our lynch choice is much harder. I personally don't think AFJ is mafia because he's acting pretty emotionally, but I haven't gone through his past games to see how he plays mafia. If that's the case, then its possible that up to 3 people visited AFJ yesterday. If i'm right and he's not mafia, then he isn't the medic either because he wouldn't lie about being roleblocked and meeple picked up a medic. Unless meeple is lying or if the hatter dropped a bomb on ludwig and thinks he and meeple are both mafia which seems very unlikely. So basically we're kinda at a null point in terms of the objective information. We can either kill AFJ to let our DTs narrow their potential sanities, or we can attempt to find someone else. Personally, I have tomorrow off and don't need to work all day, which means I'll have time to look into 2 people too. I think i'll pick flamewheel and foolishness because 1) flamewheel is cute and 2) foolishness is not posting which piques my interest. If I'm too busy to do a full post history on those 2, I'll do a gut feeling map of the people playing like I did last game. Love you, L. I'll try to do analysis on somebody tomorrow, if I wake up on time. | ||
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On June 13 2010 21:47 MooCow wrote: I'll do a bit of my thoughts and analysis on Flamewheel! Flamewheel *First post he revels he's actually the Godfather, lynch him. Posts in the actual start of the game : 18 #141 Gives some of his thoughts on the balance of the game. Nothing really solid. #151Wants to lynch an inactive which we did ( Jspazz ) #164He's up for roleclaiming which we all eventually do except for Chez. #242 A bit later he rc's townie, just in between the mass rc'ing of townies. #279 Gives his thoughts on 2 people rc'ing DT's ( MooCow and LuDwig) but imo doesn't really say anything useful. #326He votes for himself ( knowing that he won't be lynched but just as a placeholder because he won't be back in time for the voting ) He also gives a plan that's almost exactly the same thing I posted for the 2 DT's and watcher to do. Lasts few posts were just *one *liners not saying much. Conclusion He's actually not that active in this game imo. A lot of his posts end with something like he'll be back in a few hours or has to do something for a few hours, which is understandable, but may also be a mafia trying to cover up for his inactivity. He doesn't say much in any of his posts but he did say he will do an analysis. All of these things make me suspicious of him and I think he's mafia from my analysis so far. If I do my analysis will that help my case? \o/ Coming up shortly... | ||
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flamewheel
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At this point, I’m willing to assume meeple is our Watcher indeed, and he found the Medic since it makes thinking about things a lot easier. On June 13 2010 13:49 meeple wrote: Ah... I'm back... yeah unfortunately I didn't watch AFJ but I did watch Ludwig... and have ascertained the identity of the medic . Of course, I won't betray his confidence, but if he happens to find his sorry ass in trouble I will do what I can to pull him out of it. What does this say about our power roles? If meeple is indeed our Watcher, then we had a Watcher/Tracker set. Since Detectives are weakened due to alignment issues, this is plausible. We also have a Medic—this is good? I can only assume the meeple-medic interaction happened in PM land. If it’s true and we have a Medic, this is good, since a 1KP medic can fully protect the town every night from Mafia hits given Scamp-like protecting abilities. So now we have two Detectives left. If the above mentioned blues are actually in this game, then in my opinion, there is a high probability that one of the Detectives is one of the lying blue roles (Veteran, Hatter… I still stand by the fact that Incognito likes Hatters) and the other one is of reversed or useless sanity. Why do I think we have a Hatter? At this point, I think it seems logical. I haven’t seen a standard game yet without some form of extraneous town KP, and the situation right now can boil down to Hatter or Veteran. Maybe there’s both and somebody claimed Townie? Entirely plausible. However, know that I requested Veteran before the game started—the plan was to cause a lot of ruckus to get the Mafia to try to slap me at night, though that request could not be entertained. So what does that mean? It means either somebody else more important got Veteran (though I don’t believe Incognito offered others a choice?) or that there are no Veterans due to balancing issue. The more I think about it, the less likely there is to be a Veteran. Mafia only have 1KP (plus a potential Day Vigi) so a Veteran is a huge deterrence, especially after the day comes about and actions are sorted out when the Veteran claims the hit. So plausible blue roles? It might boil down to one semi-useless to useless Detective in terms of alignment, a Watcher, a now-dead Tracker, a hidden Medic, and a Mad Hatter. The Medic is most likely hiding amongst the greens. One of our three other power roles is probably a Hatter. Can we tell which? Remember: AcrossFiveJulys said he was roleblocked, and meeple said he watched LuDwig-. Both LuDwig- and MooCow said they checked AcrossFiveJulys, and that he returned as town. Here are the possibilities: 1) Both of them are sane, and AcrossFiveJulys is, in actuality, green. Chances of this being the case with both a Watcher and Tracker in the game? Very low. That’s a ton of information right there. 2) One of the two is sane, the other Naïve or Insane and AFJ is Mafia. Perhaps we have one sane cop, this is plausible. Most likely, the other cop is Naïve, if that. 3) One of the two is a cop. The other is a Mad Hatter. I find this case very plausible. meeple watched LuDwig-, and though he hasn’t confirmed that LuDwig- visited AFJ, I assume that he would call LuDwig- out if LuDwig- had indeed not done so during the night. Of course, we’d have so much more information if meeple had just watched AFJ… Now, here’s an interesting part: AFJ claimed he was roleblocked almost immediately after the day post. Immediately before this point, we would have no indication that there was a roleblocker. meeple does not chime in that he watched LuDwig- instead of AFJ until later on. So in all probability, we can assume that AFJ was, indeed, roleblocked since saying so when it didn’t happen while under the risk of being watched would have been ludicrous and a gamble. Of course, I’m ignoring the elaborate conspiracy plots of meeple, LuDwig-, AFJ etc. all being Mafia… So AFJ was roleblocked. And supposedly MooCow and LuDwig- visited him during the night. meeple watched LuDwig-. Could LuDwig- be a roleblocker? It’s possible given the circumstances but this is LuDwig’s first game, and he roleclaimed early. Doubtless, if the Mafia were looking for something like this, it’d probably have taken them longer to have formulated a plan this crazy. So my (currently) final verdict on LuDwig-? Actually a Detective—sanity still unknown. MooCow… not sure. He returned with the same result as LuDwig-, though I highly doubt he’s a DT right now since that means for four information roles if everybody was legit… Though he did claim a lot later than LuDwig-, (under the premise of “I wanted to see if he would slip up”—which is slightly illogical in itself since it was the first day) so I think the chance of him being the Bomberman is quite high. Or perhaps I’ve been shenaniganed and he is a Veteran (Incognito, I would give you a pouty face if this were the case!)… or even a Vigilante. But seriously, Mad Hatter > Vigilante for Incognito and Qatol. Another kicker—we can’t be sure if meeple actually watched or not, since he did not announce results. But I want to assume he’s the Watcher. If he isn’t, I’m sure we can tie him down in the future. And this was a compilation of my loose thoughts. After the first night, there are still too many “ifs” for me to want to put myself in a certain, deadlocked, mindset. As for a lynch target, it’d be… okay… to lynch AFJ to ascertain partial sanity choices for our “Detectives.” Since it’s Day 2, I still don’t think there’d be too much scumtell appearing, though I think we can obviously see that Mafia are hiding amongst the green. Too much of a conspiracy if it were the blues. Who wants more? | ||
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flamewheel
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On June 14 2010 03:48 L wrote: MooCow, you kinda stole flamewheel from me, so I'll comment on your analysis. Flamewheel's actions don't look like he's me-tooing seeing as there have been some important decisions that he's been in on at a fairly early stage. Instead it looks like he's trying to keep his head down while still contributing a bit. Flamewheel might have modded a few games, but people don't expect him to singlehandedly drive games forward like radfield and I, so if he was mafia he'd probably have been safe doing exclusively stupid shit like getting people to call him cute. If I'd be able to guess, I'd say that he might be one of the blue roles that hasn't said anything yet. If he's green then maybe that's a tell that he suffers from a lack of motivation during his non-role games. Anyways, back to writing on foolishness. Oh L, remember Micro-Mafia II? | ||
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On June 14 2010 06:41 Foolishness wrote: WHOA WHOA WHOA! So you requested Veteran and got denied. That's great and all. Hey for any non vets out there, did you know that you could request roles before the game starts? I sure didn't. Hey Incognito, why didn't you PM me and ask me if I wanted a certain role? At this point, everyone is more important than you. "waa waaaa I'm upset I didn't get the role I wanted waaa". Nobody needs to hear your QQ about not getting a "good" role. And now your assumption that "oh well I didn't get that role somebody else must have gotten it because I'm special" now just makes you sound like a pompous player. Thanks for your contribution there, it really opened my eyes on the current town situation and I feel like I have a better understanding of what's going on. Oh, can you PLEEEEAAAASSSEEE ask more questions in your posts? I honestly enjoy when someone feigns contribution by writing a bunch of rhetorical questions/possibilities that have already been discussed in the thread. NOBODY CARES. | ||
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On June 14 2010 07:15 L wrote: Because he wanted to make a post that appears to have content but doesn't. Does anyone know how to use TL's search to find all of someone's posts in a certain thread? Would make this much easier for me. Still waiting for your bit on the inactive Foolishness, L. I like how he won't be around for 48 hours but only steps up to attack my post without offering anything himself. | ||
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flamewheel
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Chezinu's question is interesting though... | ||
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I have nothing new to add at this point. Will be back hopefully with a few hours before voting ends to mark some analysis and cast a vote... | ||
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Well, inactivity lynch I believe. Foolishness, you're a bro. L, you're also a bro. AFJ is also a bro. Will be back before deadline, marking up my vote on a random inactive just in case. Vivi57 or RebirthOfLeGenD? Both are too damn inactive, just like in every other game. Lots to think about again. I haven't seen RoL, but Vivi promised us some pbpa. Until I see that, my inactivity vote goes there. | ||
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