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On June 05 2010 02:56 LunarDestiny wrote:
As day approaching to an end, the mafia would decide on a target to night kill...
I think I am the target. Darth and YellowInk are safe because their role got protections. I am the other huge poster in the thread.
Can I, shamelessly, beg a medic to protect me? I really don't want to die that fast.
On June 05 2010 03:00 zeks wrote:
^ that was a very well calculated move
Always a huge WIFOM mindgames stunt. Nice one LD  .
Medics, if you don't know who to protect, protect the people who you notice have been active, contributed actual content, etc. Obviously don't protect whoever becomes Mayor/Pardoner since they already have protection. Save the rest of our active townies: LD, MTF, crate to name a few.
As the day is drawing to an end, think more about who you want to lynch as well. Look closely at the clues. I remember someone saying that we should go for either LaXer or TyranoS - let's have some more analysis on that, as no matter who is mayor/pardoner, that'll be important in deciding the first lynch.
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On June 05 2010 03:38 BrownBear wrote:Well, I think its officially time to withdraw my candidacy, seeing as nobody's voting for me 
On June 05 2010 04:03 Misder wrote:
##Vote: BrownBear
lulz epic.
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Note: I stopped on page 12, as that's when people started talking more about mayor than other stuff. I probably missed stuff ^^. Feel free to correct me / add to this list. Hopefully the formatting comes out okay.
Compilation list of clues:
First of all, courtesy of zeks:
1. "The following morning, the town would discover the mayor BloodyC0bbler dead and floating in the town fountain."
2. "...he deflected no less than five assassination attempts, ranging from sniffing poison in his coffee cup to leaping out of the way from a thrown knife while walking down the hallway."
3. "but in one freak moment, the printer exploded and showered Incognito with burning hot ink, hitting him in the face."
4. As Incognito ran outward toward the street to escape, he was struck by a speeding car.
I see 5 possible clues listed: fountain, poison coffee, throwing knife, printer, speeding car
ElyAs: cleared - flamewheel always struck by lightning, said so himself it has no relevance.
TheGilaBoy: poison in the coffee cup, "gila" = venomous lizard, pic is a DT (thrown knife)
YellowInk: Printer, Ink, etc. (obvious)
deconduo: picture of boat in water (fountain)
onihunter: swimmer (fountain)
crate: license plate car joke (car)
LaXerCannon: quote "just keep swimming" (fountain)
TyranoS_Nivek: something about treading water for 3 days (fountain), pic is a DT (thrown knife)
MooCow: something about treading water for 3 days (fountain). Also, his picture is the band "Disturbed", which was in the Day 1 post, very weak/subtle though.
zeks: pic is Shikamaru = thrown knife.
DCLXVI: mentions a Humvee in his profile (car)
jiabung: drives a van in his profile (car)
Note: I omitted the characteristics-linked-as-a-clue posts. Clue-related posts I didn't consider are below.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 03 2010 12:15 MooCow wrote:
Also on zeks it says "Luck is when preparation meets opportunity" it's a bit of stretch but maybe the victim was a bit lucky to avoid death then the mafia found a perfect opportunity? On June 03 2010 12:46 littlechava wrote:
Characteristics of Incognito/BC still count as clues right? These connections may be farfetched, but here goes my contribution as far as the clues go:
Based on this part: "Incognito the Pardoner, through his tremendous intuition, had sensed that something was to go down last night. Whilst in his office finishing his work, he deflected no less than five assassination attempts, ranging from sniffing poison in his coffee cup to leaping out of the
way from a thrown knife while walking down the hallway. Dedicated and passionate to his job,
Incognito would not let any threat deter him from furthering the prosperity of the town."
Zeks profile has a pic of Shikamaru, who in the series is known for being extremely
intelligent/intuitive. AcrossFiveJulys' profile has the quote "obstacles in life are like
weights in the gym..." which could possibly relate to the dedication and passion of Incognito. On June 03 2010 13:10 TyranoS_NiveK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 12:46 littlechava wrote:
Characteristics of Incognito/BC still count as clues right? These connections may be farfetched, but here goes my contribution as far as the clues go:
Based on this part: "Incognito the Pardoner, through his tremendous intuition, had sensed that something was to go down last night. Whilst in his office finishing his work, he deflected no less than five assassination attempts, ranging from sniffing poison in his coffee cup to leaping out of the
way from a thrown knife while walking down the hallway. Dedicated and passionate to his job,
Incognito would not let any threat deter him from furthering the prosperity of the town."
Zeks profile has a pic of Shikamaru, who in the series is known for being extremely
intelligent/intuitive. AcrossFiveJulys' profile has the quote "obstacles in life are like
weights in the gym..." which could possibly relate to the dedication and passion of Incognito. Right now most of the connections are tenuous at best. After reading it several times, AcrossFiveJuly's profile is pretty interesting, but I don't know how deeply you can read into it. While I like the thinking, I find connecting Incognito's characteristics to that of his (potential) mafia assassin is a bit of a stretch (unless you're saying that the mafia take after the people they kill?). I'm not too familiar with anime, so I don't feel qualified to comment on Zeks profile picture. As this being my first time playing mafia on-line, I'm pretty excited.
Profile pics of everyone:
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To finish it off, Yellow's inactive target list:
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AcrossFiveJulys
supernovamaniac
deconduo
pyro0ma5ta - No, not because you said you want to lynch me, but because you have contributed very little thought to the game.
CompX - Pointed at ElyAs at the very beginning but has contributed almost nothing.
jiabung - Helped collect a few clues at the very beginning but then has had nothing else to say.
3 Lions - Helped collect a few clues at the very beginning but then has had nothing else to say.
Deucegladlier - Has had nothing relevant to say.
Tyranos_NiveK - The one post you made of substance wasn't very clear. It seemed like you were directing it my way, but I'm not sure. We'd love to hear more from you!
Zyrre - I know you're behind me, but I want to hear more from you in thread.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2010 05:31 LunarDestiny wrote:The clue might be a start but I would put too much into it. I also want to add a clue that people missed. My profile pic: ![[image loading]](http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7392/haru32.gif) The opening song of the second season of Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu: Why did I put this? I just want to say don't weigh the clues too heavily. Lynching inactive is still our priority in day 1
Is that who the chick as your picture is?
I definitely think lurking >> day 1 clues, I just decided to make the list so that we can add on to it later, etc.
But I also think that lurker linked to clues gives us a better chance at hitting mafia.
On June 05 2010 05:47 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Darth is playing a lackadaisical, prudent, friendly townie. It doesn't appear to me as if he is putting much thought into his posts, just sort of sitting down and writing whatever comes to mind. This shows me that he isn't trying to conceal anything. Also, this post essentially proves to me that he's probably not mafia:
This is true. I read posts and I respond to them, that's just my style. lol.
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On June 05 2010 05:56 LunarDestiny wrote:
AcrossFiveJuly, did you receive a pm where darth telling you to participate?
nahs, he shouldn't have. He had already posted in thread saying he would post later. I only PMed the 4 who had not posted at all since signups (as I knew) - barth, Icysoul, LaXerCannon, supernovamaniac.
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On June 05 2010 06:01 LunarDestiny wrote:
Then where is Icysoul and LaXer. The new pm is highlighted in yellow, they should have notice it if they are logged on.
I don't think either of them have been on since signups >>
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Regardless if I or Yellow get elected as mayor, someone active will not be lynched - we'll come to an agreement hopefully on who to lynch, but it definitely won't be someone as active as zeks or BB. -_-.
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On June 05 2010 09:02 MooCow wrote:
Sorry for the noob question but does the lynch target that the mayor decide get lynched as soon as the mayor is decided?
There's still 12 people that needs to vote but Darth is ahead 10 - 6 YI.
Think so. And as of flamewheel's most recent post, there are only 3 people missing...
What are you talking about?
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On June 05 2010 09:36 crate wrote:
Well looks like it's Darth for mayor and YellowInk for pardoner.
Any more thoughts on who you're lynching, Darth?
Yesh, I'm gonna be lynching jiabung, unless someone comes up with a good defense for him for some reason. He's as good a target as TyranoS in terms of clues and inactivity, etc. However, some people have been pushing for TyranoS without much explanation - something mafia can do quite easily without being noticed/looking suspicious. So as a bit of a precaution / to hopefully increase our chances at hitting mafia, lynch target is gonna be jiabung.
^props to YI for pointing this out to me through PM.
Anyone who was thinking about zeks: zeks is too active for a day 1 lynch - inactivity over "possible" scum. Maybe later if we think so, but not today for sure.
I don't remember if they were any other potential targets. Oh, LaXer has posted an "I'm back" post - still not off the hook for inactivity, but it's nice to see him alive.
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On June 05 2010 09:48 DCLXVI wrote:you should lynch LD because he references Haruhi season 2 in his profile  Seriously though, trying to figure out DTA is driving me crazy. His posts feel townie, and he does everything he can to help the town. But many people just vote for him randomly and/or support him so quickly. Either we have overly trusting townies or he is mafia (with LD). I really hope not though. lol at me "possessing the printer" causing it to explode ^^ Question DTA: who has been pushing lynch Tyranos? I know I have mentioned that he was on both list and YI did too?
I myself don't understand why the people that vote for me, vote for me. I called out TyranoS for it, but he never responded. LD had his reasons and that was about it at the time (maybe littlechava too?). After that a whole lot of people started voting for me randomly - a couple of them have posted why in thread but a lot of them, especially the most recent ones, haven't posted why. We've said several times in thread to explain why you vote for people, and to even analyze ALL of the candidates, no matter what (your) impression is. But people just don't listen, busy with life I guess.
On June 05 2010 10:01 LunarDestiny wrote:Darth, Jiebung is a good choice, but I also want you to take a look at those last minute bangwagon. Kind of fishy. DCLXVI, well if you are concern about me and darth being mafia. You would know the answer very soon since I am a huge target for the mafia (if I am pro town) unless a medic saves me (begging again  ).
Yeah the last 4-6 guys who voted for me are all a little bit fishy to me. If you voted for me, plz explain. A couple of them I lay it on inactivity = bandwagon, but yeah, you're definitely right.
@DCLXVI's thing: it seems like a joke =p.
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On June 05 2010 10:15 MooCow wrote:
When someone is killed/mod killed their affiliation is revealed to everyone right?
Yes, in this setup, death = role+alignment reveal.
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On June 05 2010 10:36 LunarDestiny wrote:Here you go (did not take account of quality of post, just quanity. Number of post as of post #469: ![[image loading]](http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/8149/post469.jpg)
heh, you didn't account for signup posts/pre-pregame posts? ;P.
I need to get a life if I'm up there with you and YI. Guess I'm a little spammier though, with posts like his one.
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Additional note to DTs:
Like Yellow said, check out the active people. They are the people who are going to help you the most when you check them and get townie back. If you get mafia back, then great, of course, but forming a town circle is HUGE + has a lot of potential to win the game for us. Being organized when the mafia doesn't know about it (town circle is through PMs of course) is a big step / advantage for town.
Another thing you might think about though is, check out someone active, who you consider pro-town. That way, when you check them and they come back as green or blue, you don't have to wonder if they are the GF. I mean, technically, they could be, but the chances are much lower now, and it's a risk that I personally would take (in PMing them after you get the results back).
It's too bad about the hit guys. This is why you can't be inactive as a townie . It may not seem like it, but it's detrimental to the town if you don't do anything as a green townie.
On June 05 2010 13:54 jiabung wrote:
I'm dead =*(
you should have posted sooner man.
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On June 05 2010 14:20 flamewheel wrote:
flamewheel has been chosen from a Random Cute Generator.
^^
party all day and sleep all night. yeaa, thats this town  .
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The people who voted for me last:
3 Lions - inactive, 3 game posts total, 2 of which are clue-oriented, 1 of which is "I'm inactive/away". Step up your game man and POST MORE PLZ. +1 suspiciousness for you. Actually, I'll make my points mean something: +7
sputnik.theory - Also 3 game posts total, 1 intro-as-newbie-post as I suggested pregame, 1 post asking if it's common for mafia to run for mayor and suggesting more candidates, doesn't care if between me and yellow who's mayor/pardoner, pro-lynching inactives so that we probably won't hit a blue (good, but obvious reasoning). POST MORE PLZ. +3
LaXerCannon - total of 4 posts but that don't mean much for content! Apparently missed the "THE GAME'S STARTING" memo, and just got in the game recently. Got up a person-clue list which is ... alright. Just read the thread man (as in, I don't think you have), and post more. You're still under suspicion for being completely MIA for the entire first day. As long as you step it up, you'll be okay though. +3
MooCow - sup cutie +0 (I don't do negatives... lol jk. just not right now). Great activity, keep it up. 5th place according to LD's chart!
pyr0ma5ta - looks like... 4 in-game posts, 1 irrelevant, 1 joking about supporting LD if he runs (for an excel sheet LOL), 1 copy-pasting bumatlarge's list of clue-linked ppl and saying he suspects Yellow and zeks due to the clues related to them (this was early on), and 1 saying... DUN DUN DUN:
On June 04 2010 08:02 pyr0ma5ta wrote:
Yellowink, not only will not vote for you as mayor at this point, at this point I am leaning towards lynching you first.
OH SNAP. DID HE JUST --- lol. A really uncalled for and bold accusation. However, this makes me think he is townie, because afaik, he's newbie and a newbie mafia wouldn't go around attracting attention like that by calling someone out straight-up like that. HOWEVER. He's still as inactive as the first two I analyzed. Step up yo game and POST MORE PLZ. He's also posted more in other TL forums recently than in this thread. UNACCEPTABLE. lol. +2
Misder - 3 in game posts, 1 pregame, irrelevant, 1 saying flamewheel's lightning is probably not a clue (true), and 1 commenting about clues (not even a big commentary either), and dodging because he doesn't read. This was all relatively early on too - he's gone MIA as of late... interestingg... he had that phantom vote for BB as well which got counted under my name (I have no idea why lol), and didn't explain it. POST MORE PLZ. +5
All of these names (except for MooCow) also need to explain why they voted for me (Misder, explain why you voted for BrownBear).
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On June 05 2010 15:10 littlechava wrote:
Can't all this active hyping hurt the town though? Everyone keeps saying the most active people are probably townies, since mafia members don't want to draw attention to themselves and risk getting outed, but I mean, this is a game of deception after all.
What if the Mafia/the GF (the godfather especially benefits from staying active and putting on a townie facade, right?) are keeping active in this game and it's helping them? We've already taken down one town member, probably simply because he was inexperienced with the game. I know I am.
I think all of us should be more careful before we decide who we vote for lynching as well as who the blue roles help/hurt.
The more active = the more prone to error and slipups = good for town.
The more active = the better I (and everyone else) can read you (and everyone else)
The more active = the more thinking and planning and organization gets done.
No one's saying that activity = pro-town. If any has, it's more like, "his activity combined with the pro-town feel of his posts..." etc.
I'll speak from experience - mafia inherently have less incentive to be active and post. First of all, they don't want to post a lot and help the town. They want to skate by unnoticed, and kill people silently at night. This is why we call out anyone who seems inactive, ever. Others do the "I'm pro-town" scheme early, and then fade away.
Either way, we as town want to force mafia to speak up more so that they can slip up and are forced to either make bad logic, or give up their own members.
If the mafia/GF are being really active, then we need to step up and match them. Read: TOWN BE MORE ACTIVE PLZ. Seriously, I mean 24 brains >>> 6 brains right? No one wins mafia games alone. The town has an advantage in that we (ideally) have 24 people thinking for us, whereas they have 6, and those 6 are limited.
We took down an inactive member who was probably inexperienced BECAUSE he didn't do what we told him to. It would've been easy for him to, as town, just post "I voted for myself because... I'm symbolically abstaining" and then post whatever else is relevant. Him not posting hurt the town. Doing nothing doesn't do nothing to the town, it hurts it. Everyone got it?
And, we're always careful about who we lynch. Yellow and I gave our reasoning as to why we lynched jiabung - if you disagreed you should have proposed someone else / spoken up much sooner. If anyone has a good idea, of course we'll take it. Until then, you're leaving it on us "active" people to do all the thinking, which sucks for me personally at least.
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On June 06 2010 03:10 sputnik.theory wrote:
I've noticed that a quite a few players (including me) have been called out for not posting too much on day1 and in our defence, I'd just like to point out that there's only so much that can be said at the start of the game. I'll be posting more as the game develops and there's actually things to talk about.
It's not about posting hard facts, or analyzing information. Everyone always seems to have this impression that there isn't much to do on day 1. But this game especially, with the mayor elections and all that, offers up so much juicy analysis day 1. I don't care if you're good or bad with "behavioral analysis" - all you need to do is read a posts carefully and think to yourself: "did that make sense?" if not, point out why and consider this person's past actions/posts and determine whether you think they might be mafia (remember that mafia will try to confuse people and create conflicts where there need be none). If the post does make sense, give your opinion about the idea, and STILL consider the person's motives and allegiance.
Every post that someone makes is another indication toward their allegiance, which is why we stress activity so much. See one of my previous posts on the benefits of activity and everyone posting frequently.
@YI's "guideline" - whether or not you take it as a rule or a guideline, it will be enforced either way. Just by the nature of the game, anyone who doesn't post enough will be under suspicion. We need you to post more, no matter how bad you think you are at the game. The more discussion that happens, the better it is for the town.
On June 06 2010 03:35 sputnik.theory wrote:
Yink, no offense but half your posts up to now can be summed up as VOTE FOR YINK.
That being said, you've also posted plenty of information that others have found useful and I'm not trying to take away from that. I'm just not really interested in the early stages of a game as much what comes later and I'm trying to play in a way that will help me get to lategame so I can help make sure town wins. Why should I paint a target on my back for mafia by being a hyper active townie so early on? Especially when I don't feel like the insight I could offer at this point in the game would be as authoritative as others who've played this game before?
I think you need to do your homework. His posts don't "sum up" to VOTE FOR YINK. They include that at the end, but most of them talk about relevant stuff, and are analytical.
sputnik, no offense but take out any of the posts that Yellow has saying "Vote for YellowInk" anywhere, and he'd still have at least 10x your content/post quality.
Also, if we're all super-active-townies, then the mafia won't know who to kill, will they? There's no downside to the town being active. Don't feel like you can't offer insight. Most of it is opinion. There's no right or wrong. But it's important for the rest of us to get your impression, or else you're leaving a 26-person job to 5, 6 people.
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Vanilla Town is one of the most important roles in the game. The mafia already know who's innocent and who's not innocent. It's the town's job to figure out who's innocent/not innocent. As a townie, you need to make sure all of us know that you are innocent. If you don't do that then you're, again, hurting the town.
Man. I wonder how many times I'm going to have to repeat myself.
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On June 06 2010 04:33 Thegilaboy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2010 04:30 MooCow wrote:
What do you mean by Mafia stacking hits?
How many people can Mafia kill in one night? That depends on their current killing power I believe. And I think stacking means that they can devote multiple hits to a single target, to try and override a medic's protection
Yep. So for instance, current Mafia KP is 3. They could potentially stack 3 KP on one person - it would override veteran status AND a medic protection in that case. Medic protection takes off one KP from the target. If mafia stack 2 of their 3 KP on one person, it kills any regular townie with medic protection. etc. etc.
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On June 06 2010 04:40 Thegilaboy wrote:
My question about the stacking thing is our we informed if that is the option mafia decide to use? I mean that when the report on the hit comes, do we get to know something like "two attempts were made" if the mafia decides to stack 2 on an individual? Seems like that would be really useful information for us to know about the mafia's actions
No we only get told who dies and what they were.
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