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Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
May 21 2010 22:31 GMT
#801
Well, given that L has nameclaimed early, that makes him much less likely to be a leader in my eyes. I'm going to unvote for the moment.
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
May 21 2010 22:31 GMT
#802
Great Idea for everyone to claim names, keep them coming.
Adonai bless
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
May 21 2010 22:33 GMT
#803
Yeah, I think L is likely not leader. As we established earlier, Tricode was lying about that, which puts him at serious suspicion - I don't think he's a leader, since he nameclaimed already, but I think he is part of a faction. However, killing off faction members doesn't really do much - we really should be targeting the leaders.
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Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
May 21 2010 22:34 GMT
#804
Can someone please explain why Tricode would lie about L being a leader??
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
May 21 2010 22:36 GMT
#805
Hmm... that leads me asking the question: Why did Caller gave L a character in her other name (子) (think middle name)

We all got the our characters in last name then first name.
ex. Zhao Yun(趙雲) and not Zhao Zi Long(趙子龍)
me Xu Zhu(許褚) and not Xu Zhòng kāng(許仲康)
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
May 21 2010 22:36 GMT
#806
On May 22 2010 07:34 Radfield wrote:
Can someone please explain why Tricode would lie about L being a leader??

Because he probably hit me and had the hit blocked by Lu Xun, then figured that a role with night defence had to be a ruler.

Since he's had it out for me since prior to day 1 ending, it makes sense that he'd try to wagon me. If he's right? Awesome, he gains massive cred. If he's wrong? Tricode doesn't think about such things. Or much in general anyways.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
May 21 2010 22:41 GMT
#807
On May 22 2010 07:36 LunarDestiny wrote:
Hmm... that leads me asking the question: Why did Caller gave L a character in her other name (子) (think middle name)

We all got the our characters in last name then first name.
ex. Zhao Yun(趙雲) and not Zhao Zi Long(趙子龍)
me Xu Zhu(許褚) and not Xu Zhòng kāng(許仲康)

Fishball gave you the name for Sun Shangxian. Not Sun Ren. Sun Ren is 孫仁.

She has a different name in ROTK, afaik.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
May 21 2010 22:42 GMT
#808
On May 22 2010 07:34 Radfield wrote:
Can someone please explain why Tricode would lie about L being a leader??


All we know is that Hesmyrr blocked all actions on L last night, and Tricode used his rolecheck action on L, then claimed in the thread that he knew L's role, and posted it specifically.

So either Hesmyrr is lying, or Tricode is lying. I personally think it is far more likely Tricode is lying, because I also tried to hit L last night (with a KP) and it got blocked, and according to L himself, he already had been hit once, and had it blocked by a medic, so either he had some other form of protection, or he somehow has magic powers.

Sorry if that's confusing, let me try to do this chronologically:

Unnamed Vig: hits L.
Unnamed Medic: protects L, negates that one hit.
Hesmyrr: uses his powers on L, prevents any actions from occuring
Me, Tricode, Abenson: All use night actions on L, they get blocked.

So... there's no way L could have been protected from that many night actions, unless Hesmyrr is telling the truth about his power, and that he used it on L. This would mean Tricode is the liar.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 21 2010 22:43 GMT
#809
Yeah sometimes she's Sun Shang Xiang and other times she's Sun Li.

Anyway, this thread just exploded so I get to catch up now.
Cheese is good for you!
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
May 21 2010 22:47 GMT
#810
On May 22 2010 07:36 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 07:34 Radfield wrote:
Can someone please explain why Tricode would lie about L being a leader??

Because he probably hit me and had the hit blocked by Lu Xun, then figured that a role with night defence had to be a ruler.

Since he's had it out for me since prior to day 1 ending, it makes sense that he'd try to wagon me. If he's right? Awesome, he gains massive cred. If he's wrong? Tricode doesn't think about such things. Or much in general anyways.



Yeah, presumably he had some KP that was blocked, and made the jump to assuming you had veteran powers-------> must be a faction leader. Not a particularly bad assumption, but a real bad game plan to claim rolecop....

LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
May 21 2010 22:47 GMT
#811
On May 22 2010 07:41 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 07:36 LunarDestiny wrote:
Hmm... that leads me asking the question: Why did Caller gave L a character in her other name (子) (think middle name)

We all got the our characters in last name then first name.
ex. Zhao Yun(趙雲) and not Zhao Zi Long(趙子龍)
me Xu Zhu(許褚) and not Xu Zhòng kāng(許仲康)

Fishball gave you the name for Sun Shangxian. Not Sun Ren. Sun Ren is 孫仁.

She has a different name in ROTK, afaik.

No man, in ROTK, the chinese novel, she is called 孫夫人.

Direct Link Here

Website who hosts the novel here
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
May 21 2010 22:49 GMT
#812
On May 22 2010 07:47 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 07:36 L wrote:
On May 22 2010 07:34 Radfield wrote:
Can someone please explain why Tricode would lie about L being a leader??

Because he probably hit me and had the hit blocked by Lu Xun, then figured that a role with night defence had to be a ruler.

Since he's had it out for me since prior to day 1 ending, it makes sense that he'd try to wagon me. If he's right? Awesome, he gains massive cred. If he's wrong? Tricode doesn't think about such things. Or much in general anyways.



Yeah, presumably he had some KP that was blocked, and made the jump to assuming you had veteran powers-------> must be a faction leader. Not a particularly bad assumption, but a real bad game plan to claim rolecop....



So then, Tricode would be the vig that hit L besides me, then? That would make more sense. Also it would make Tricode an idiot to claim rolecop...

Actually, Tricode has stated that if we sic Abenson (can only kill YTs) on him, then he will die. It would make sense for YT to start with a KP, actually... the pieces are all starting to come together. I think Tricode is a Yellow Turban. Not the YT recruiter... but he's more likely than not to be a member.
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Tricode
Profile Joined January 2009
United States538 Posts
May 21 2010 22:50 GMT
#813
On May 22 2010 07:36 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 07:34 Radfield wrote:
Can someone please explain why Tricode would lie about L being a leader??

Because he probably hit me and had the hit blocked by Lu Xun, then figured that a role with night defence had to be a ruler.

Since he's had it out for me since prior to day 1 ending, it makes sense that he'd try to wagon me. If he's right? Awesome, he gains massive cred. If he's wrong? Tricode doesn't think about such things. Or much in general anyways.


Gee, L picking a name and you guys know these characters of this game/story/movie.

Oh wait, after being accused and asking for a role ability and having him publicly announce it after such a long time, there is no way in hell that L could find a name and just give it to you guys with a fake ability? Because that's just simply impossible right?

Come on, the fact he did so "So fast" in your opinion is because he was ready for it and he wants attention taken off of him. He is just trying to manipulate anyone he can and make himself look like the innocent one.

Then he will gain more time in how to make another one of you guys his pawns if I die and show I'm legit. He'll probably make the excuse "Oh he was insane." Then everyone will be "Maybe we should hold off on L again and kill someone else that's innocent".

This guy will continue to manipulate his way out of this and do the same in the future if you let him. Don't let him get away with this!

Once again, I gain no benefit from killing him unless he is a faction leader and to indulge everyone, let's just pretend i was in another faction. My main enemy would still be the other faction leaders so either case finding another faction leader and getting them killed is in our best interest anyways.

I have never held a grudge if you look at my previous mafia games and the only times I attacked L is when he is fully suspicious to me, like i did in my last mafia game I played where L was the god father.

Once again, no matter what side team or anything I'm on the whole goal is to kill a Faction Leader otherwise

What plausible good reasoning would I have or gain from killing L?

Also what good does it do for the town to keep him alive? Look at all the chaos he is causing, he just wants to survive and has an excuse for everything!

Once again I implore you to think about it. If I die and turn legit, think of all the excuses L can use to keep himself alive! Insane DT, use another one of you as his pawns, or do what ever!

He set himself up to always avoid being a target with mountains of lies and excuses. Don't let him fool you!
1, 2, he is coming for you. Kill the C0bbler!
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
May 21 2010 22:51 GMT
#814
rawr.
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Tricode
Profile Joined January 2009
United States538 Posts
May 21 2010 22:52 GMT
#815
On May 22 2010 07:49 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 07:47 Radfield wrote:
On May 22 2010 07:36 L wrote:
On May 22 2010 07:34 Radfield wrote:
Can someone please explain why Tricode would lie about L being a leader??

Because he probably hit me and had the hit blocked by Lu Xun, then figured that a role with night defence had to be a ruler.

Since he's had it out for me since prior to day 1 ending, it makes sense that he'd try to wagon me. If he's right? Awesome, he gains massive cred. If he's wrong? Tricode doesn't think about such things. Or much in general anyways.



Yeah, presumably he had some KP that was blocked, and made the jump to assuming you had veteran powers-------> must be a faction leader. Not a particularly bad assumption, but a real bad game plan to claim rolecop....



So then, Tricode would be the vig that hit L besides me, then? That would make more sense. Also it would make Tricode an idiot to claim rolecop...

Actually, Tricode has stated that if we sic Abenson (can only kill YTs) on him, then he will die. It would make sense for YT to start with a KP, actually... the pieces are all starting to come together. I think Tricode is a Yellow Turban. Not the YT recruiter... but he's more likely than not to be a member.


I missread. But Abenson can go ahead and waste his time. I wont die if he can only kill YTs.

Though you will only be delaying L's death and proving my innocence will continue the with the chaos until L's dead. Cause my death will only prove my innocence but L once again will find a way to manipulate everyone.
1, 2, he is coming for you. Kill the C0bbler!
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
May 21 2010 22:54 GMT
#816
On May 22 2010 07:19 Radfield wrote:
Actually, everyone claiming their names is kind of a good idea. It gives no info as to roles, or hardly any, and yet is just as good at finding the leaders. All upside, no downside

Anyone have any misgivings about everyone claiming their character name, yet not their role??

I am Zhuge Liang


baby, me and u should be togetherrr.

On May 22 2010 06:57 BrownBear wrote:
Well, since everyone else has namedropped in the past several pages, I might as well namedrop myself:

I am Zhao Yun. I have the power of nightkill ^^

So with all the people who have roleclaimed, I think rather than looking at the people who have roleclaimed and analyzing to see if they're lying, it would be far more interesting to look at the people who HAVEN'T yet roleclaimed. They are:

1. Bill Murray
3. johnnyspazz
4. Radfield
5. Scamp
6. Ohn
7. Falcynn
8. Iaaan
9. L (states he has reasons for not doing so, since his role is a "poison pill")
10. BloodyCobbler
11. MyHeroNoob
15. TwotoneTerran
19. Trezequet23
20. Fishball (pretty sure the Qin Shi Huang roleclaim was a joke )
21. Lunardestiny
23. DarthThienAn
24. Jugan

This is a (mostly accurate) list of the people who are still alive and have yet to roleclaim. It's far more likely that at least 1 or 2 of the faction leaders are hiding in the majority of people who don't roleclaim, rather than trying to lie and make up both a name, a role for that name, and reasoning behind that role.

Honestly? I think at this point in the game, it would be a good idea to have everyone roleclaim, complete with their name. Then, we can focus on the people who either refuse to roleclaim, or make roleclaims that don't really make sense.

Also, L, I understand you don't want to roleclaim, but especially with XeliN having claimed a role, that's putting you kinda back in the spotlight. It would be great if you could explain somehow either why your role would be useless if everyone knew about it, or if you could just roleclaim. If I win the dayvote, I will be sure to follow the will of the town, but the will of the town might be falling against you if you continue to be coy with your role.


me some cute kid, can kill u all, kk?

On May 22 2010 04:29 LunarDestiny wrote:
Ok Lu Meng, here goes.

Lu Meng started as a uneducated general serving Wu (吳下阿蒙). After Zhou Yu's death, Wu was short in tacticians. Sun Quan told Lu Meng and a less important general Jiang Qin to study literature. After 3 days, they both became very intelligent (士别三日, 刮目相看).

Lu Meng is famous for the death of Guan Yu. What happened was, Lu Meng faked sickness and sent a message to Guan Yu. Guan Yu got little bit over confident thinking that Wu would not attack him since Lu Meng is sick. Guan Yu then goes on attacking Wei's city guarded by Cao Ren and kicking Cao Ren's ass badly. Lu Meng, with a huge army, shows up surprising Guan Yu.

Now Guan Yu is trapped in between Cao Ren and Lu Meng. What worse is that Lu Meng brought family members of Guan Yu's solders which made many Guan Yu's soldiers and two generals (Mi Fang and Fu Shi Ren defected. Guan Yu, ultimately ran out of food supply and surrendered. Guan Yu refused to surrender and was killed. Lu Meng also died shortly after (within a year I think).


From all this, Lu Meng could be an insane dt since he is stupid in his early days. And I have to point out that Lu Meng lied to Guan Yu which caused Guan Yu's death.


i approve of this message.

On May 22 2010 04:43 Hesmyrr wrote:
It is watcher. In my original post it is stated tracker watched Radfield and see Xelin visit him, which doesn't really make sense. I'll tell him about it. If he is following the thread, he was probably going to do so anyway.


can you clarify on what the watcher does? he watches A and sees person(s) b, c, d, etc. visit, gets those names back?
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Falcynn
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3597 Posts
May 21 2010 22:55 GMT
#817
On May 22 2010 07:50 Tricode wrote:
Come on, the fact he did so "So fast" in your opinion is because he was ready for it and he wants attention taken off of him. He is just trying to manipulate anyone he can and make himself look like the innocent one.

Well, in response to that part, I'm pretty sure they meant "so fast" in comparison to everyone else. So yeah, L had enough time to find a name/role, but considering not many others posted their names, he was in serious danger of overlapping someone elses name since only a handful of players so far have claimed.

In regards to the rest of your post, you should probably focus more on defending yourself than citing reasons to kill L. I'm pretty sure that if L isn't lynched tonight, he'll most likely be vig'd at night.
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
May 21 2010 22:56 GMT
#818
ebwop: oops didn't mean to post last time. more stuff.

On May 22 2010 03:50 Tricode wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 03:44 Falcynn wrote:
On May 21 2010 16:47 ~OpZ~ wrote:
L's making fun because Tricode (is he new?) isn't aware dt's don't know their sanity? Keep in mind Tricode seems to of checked role, not alignment...L is simply a Faction Leader, not a Kingdom...so it's role not alignment.
Alright, I just skimmed through the thread since six pages of long ass posts have come up since I went to bed last night, but I just wanted to check. Tricode you are aware of this possibility right? That you might be an "insane" cop in which case your guilty verdicts appear as innocent and vice versa.

In case you're wondering, this is probably why some people think both you and L are full of shit. Anyways, gonna go back and read more in-depth.


No, i know one of us is full of shit and my claim L is. If you go back and reread the thread carefully you will understand what I'm talking about.

2nd, my ability doesn't state anything about being insane or such.

L is just making that shit up to confuse people.

Look for the final time, it was not stated that there is a sanity part in my role.

So Logic dictates that I'm a regular DT. Otherwise if there was a sanity factor Logic would dictate in some way or form I should be told or otherwise all DT's are useless in this game and pointless.

Now I want someone to even try to destroy the logic. It's fucking mathematical black and white.


Caller heeds not to your logic. imo.

On May 22 2010 02:29 LunarDestiny wrote:
As it now stands, the only other person who voted for L except L himself is DarthThienAn.

DarthThienAn, can you explain why you vote for L?


i do what i want.

sup.
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
May 21 2010 22:58 GMT
#819
Thanks for all the help, Darth. Real great analysis you posted there. :/
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L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
May 21 2010 22:59 GMT
#820
No man, in ROTK, the chinese novel, she is called 孫夫人
Uh, that means "Lady Sun" as far as i can tell with my 0 chinese knowledge, which isn't her name.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
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