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Uh, I picked [1][5] (just read my PM to Ace again to be sure). I was a bit confused when I saw that... Something is wrong? (I will read over the drafting process and let you know). Also, since I'm the first person you didn't assign a role to Qatol, any suggestions? xD | ||
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Scenario #1: BM picked [1][1] L is not [2][1], he probably picked [1][1] (I remember him saying that in the beginning when he was like omg I want inventor). That means him and BM are both [1]s, which means Foolishness picked [1] as well and EVERYONE ON THE LIST HAS A DUPLICATE. That seems rather unlikely if you ask me...but so far no numbers have been out of order. Scenario #2: At most 3 people have unique numbers. Since I picked [1], and I'm not first, then clearly I am not unique. Therefore everyone before me are the only people that can be unique. So there are at most 3 people who are unique. Whatever that means... That's pretty cool, because if you are mafia it is probably a bad idea to lie about your numbers because it might end up being no one else has that number, or you end up in a spot where you can't possibly be with that number, etc etc. If there is a dispute between 2 people (one of them must be lying due to list ordering) then a simple cop check will fix up the mafia the next day. | ||
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Unless you clear your sent mail very often shouldn't your PM to Ace still be there? | ||
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I'm worried about this plan Qatol. If Bill/L/Foolishness are mafia and just skip their designated thing or worse, pick someone else's then we're kinda screwed no? Like, if Bill picks compulsive vigilante, and then his mafia buddy later along the road picks up the inventor. We don't know who it is, and L can't get compulsive vigilante so we lose the double lynch... Bill acting funny has got me thinking and worried about this whole plan in general. | ||
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And then if we get paranoid of his role, he might've picked meth man instead and we all go omg we gotta check him and boom, all our investigators are dead (so let's please at least coordinate the rolechecking guys). So I'd say BM's role is pretty safe, in terms of he's outed the second day if he's not inventor. L's is the one I'm worried about, if he is mafia then he can pick meth man or jack of all trades and then when he finally gets outed like 3rd or 4th day then they have already easily secured the double lynch. Foolishness' role is pretty safe for town too, in terms of well if he tries to roleblock he gets killed. Why did you choose to place the compulsive vigilante role as second, Qatol? Also what are your thoughts on having somebody closer to the back of the draft claim copy cat? This way we know if mafia decides to steal it, and if they do we offer them up some "useless" role. I would suggest someone taking the Floridian at the end, just so we can lynch that person if copy cat is taken. Floridian being useless This way if copy cat is not mafia, then mafia will have to kill someone less significant the first night. If copy cat was mafia, it would still be pretty hard for them to do anything since town is watching them. So if compulsive vigilante dies first night, then we just treat copy cat as him instead. So really I see no drawbacks to this idea. Now to pick a copy cat, and to pick the Floridian. I suggest the following format: We want them to be closer to the back of the line, since we're wasting ability to get good KP/investigative roles if we put them in the front. So I suggest picking from 16 onwards. So I select: 18. Zona to be the Floridian. 17. Scamp to be the copy cat. Since both these roles are heavily controlled by town (and the Floridian is pretty much "useless") it wouldn't make sense for me to give these roles to my partners if I was scum, since Floridian pretty much kills one of 4 mafia roles, and the copy cat is controlled by town like the first couple roles. Any issues with this? | ||
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I don't like the idea of the copycat/Floridian trade... we're sacrificing a player to give a mafia a crappy role, and that's only if they go for copycat. It doesn't tell us who the mafia is =[. Doing this means we 1st day lynch whoever gets the Floridian power, so we'd already be down a player... which is bad, yes? We're sacrificing 1 person out of 15 to make 1 person out of 4 useless for mafia. Sounds pretty good to me I don't know about you... We only lynch the Floridian if whoever was supposed to get copy cat didn't manage to get it due to mafia. (Town should not be retarded and take the role of copy cat if you're not designated to take it. If mafia steals it then they're automatically turned into a Floridian, which is very easily under the town's eyes because all we have to do is remember it requires n-1 to lynch) I already said, if copy cat isn't claimed by mafia, then we proceed as usual. We're probably not going to lynch someone the first day, so THIS DETERS THE MAFIA FROM SHOOTING IMPORTANT ROLES FIRST NIGHT because the copy cat will just get the same role and listen to town and continue the work. The copy cat is essentially having two "lives" for a role, to prevent mafia from offing the compulsive vigilant and inventor on the first nights, because then we're just going to have another one. Someone at the end of the list isn't likely to get a good role anyway, so picking Floridian is more useful than being townie, because it's the first power role kill that applies to the copy cat. Mafia would be retarded to pick Floridian so we don't have to be worried about mafia trying to do this. There's only 4 mafia, with vigilant and cops and whatever missing a townie isn't all that important if that means making one of the mafia useless in terms of roles. So can we please consolidate our plans? Right now we're ambiguous on how many people in the front should consolidate roles. Also people I've mentioned haven't confirmed whether they will take Floridian and Copy Cat. If they don't post in this thread to by like 1 hour before roles are due, will you take Copy Cat Qatol? Everyone: Can you post your input on both of these points in a post? This way we can finalize the plans for the front and the copy cat/floridian. I think this one is very important. | ||
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We can use the roleblocker (if claimed in the top list of people) to block the compulsive vigilant if we don't want to kill someone that night. We can have the compulsive vigilant target the roleblocker so if the roleblocker didn't pick the role and do what he was suppose to do, then he dies. | ||
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That seems too complicated, scratch my last idea probably. xD | ||
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On May 02 2010 06:21 Zona wrote: Whoa whoa whoa...I don't think there's a single part of this plan I like. Now I don't mind being a sacrifice for the town if the plan was sound - but there's a lot going against it. Let's suppose that the plan is "activated" because the person who was supposed to take copy cat wasn't able to, and thus the "lynch floridian day 1" part comes into play. Dude that's fine, I said I wanted everyone's input on this. On May 02 2010 06:21 Zona wrote: First of all, the only defense we have against mafia is our numbers - each living townie represents a bit more time we have remaining until the mafia dominates the town and wins - we shouldn't sacrifice townies so casually - ESPECIALLY BY POSSIBLY TURNING THE DAY ONE LYNCH, which is incredibly useful for information, INTO SOMETHING THAT GRANTS NO INFO AT ALL since mafia can just join with the town to lynch the Floridian. I think sacrificing day one lynch for one mafia having a useless role is pretty good. Remember there's 15 of us and 4 of them. How is day 1 lynch information useful? People are just randomly guessing all over the place. The mafia can get meta and vote for each other, I mean if I was mafia I would either vote randomly or pick arbitrary little things to pick on (like omg this guy is so inactive, omg this guy is all like, acting suspicious because he uses town instead of we). On May 02 2010 06:21 Zona wrote: Second of all, there's no need to fix in place multiple rolepicks as well as a definite day one lynch just to defend against the threat of mafia taking copy cat. Rather than possibly fixating on a particular person for the lynch, simply say that the day one lynch will be chosen from the latter half of the draft order - there probably won't be any strong roles among them. And if you're worried about the possibility that vanilla will be lynched day 1, our protective powers should be focused on the upper echelons of the draft order, so mafia will have to risk missing out on their kill if they really want to score one of the powerful roles for the copy cat. Right now if mafia isn't in the top set roles list, then they can't get those roles other than if they are copy cat. Copy cat means they can steal the vigilante and get 2KP. I think that's pretty significant. What would you consider "not strong roles"? We're going to sacrifice a doctor/investigative role instead of a floridian? On May 02 2010 06:21 Zona wrote: Thirdly, the Floridian is the wrong choice to hand to the mafia even if this plan was a good idea. While it's not a great role in town hands since its power then depends on how good that player's judgement is, it's pretty useful for mafia. Being able to place a hammer vote anonymously is actually pretty useful, especially as the game progresses and the number of players involved diminishes. Treat it the same was as role block. If you cast your second vote (the description says it will be noted as a special secret vote) then we lynch you. We just have to treat L-2 as L-1 if we know that the mafia is floridian. This is much better than having the mafia be vet, bulletproof, doctor, investigative, or whatever role they might be able to nab from the top of the list (we can't protect everyone on the list). On May 02 2010 06:21 Zona wrote: Summary: Even if copy cat ends up in mafia hands, the chances of the copy cat gaining a great power is low, and can be even made lower by taking appropriate precautions, without resorting to a plan that involves possibly giving up the information gained from the day one lynch, fixing in place a few rolepicks that might have picked something useful, AND sacrificing the eventual "Floridian". Plus even if the plan was a good idea (I don't think it is), the Floridian is the wrong role to sacrifice. The problem here is what you consider to be a "great" power. There are plenty of very useful roles that we wouldn't want the mafia having, I had a lot of problem choosing the Floridian because most of the roles are pretty damn useful. We're giving up information with day 1 lynch but mafia is losing 1 useful role. Seriously people, is that not worth it?? | ||
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Actually nevermind I thought Jack could roleblock. >.< | ||
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On May 02 2010 06:41 d3_crescentia wrote: Someone definitely needs to take Tracker. It's by far the most powerful detector in the game, and starting Night 2 we can essentially confirm the alignment of our Compulsive Vigilante. I can think of an exception to this copycat plan, in that two Mafia ahead of the designated can both claim copycat. Or that the two Mafia ahead of the designated can take both Copycat and Floridian, and if we lynch our designated Floridian the Mafia Copycat is unaffected. There's actually a bit of an incentive for Mafia to take Floridian as well, because the longer they're alive the better the role actually is. Now *is* there a role that would seem better than Floridian to force the Mafia to take? With fewer numbers it doesn't seem reasonable that they'd take roles to prevent the town from having them. I'm thinking over both the Veteran and the Alignment Cop right now as reasonable picks, but both have their problems. I don't get how tracker confirms our compulsive vigilante. If we are planning to lynch a townie there's no reason for the mafia not to go ahead with our plan? I don't know how tracker works exactly though... If the Floridian claims to have not gotten his role, then we don't lynch him. We decide on what to do. Then it's information as we argue whether to trust the Floridian. I guess we could go for vet? I don't really know what role is the worst but from going through them Floridian seemed the worst. I guess now that I look at it bulletproof or vet would be better? I was originally thinking they might be useful for the night vigi kills. So is the plan for claiming copy cat and [something reasonably useless] okay? | ||
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I definitely disagree with Zona on that I think we should definitely claim the first couple roles (enough for medics to protect at least). I think it's better for us to let the mafia know who the vigilante is than for us if the mafia had an anonymous vigilante. Also claiming roles gives us a better chance of getting different roles. Mafia will definitely not clash with each other at least, so we should at least make sure we don't waste drafts on the most important roles because we don't want them to not be taken/go to mafia. Also, don't forget doctors can be paranoid, naive, or weak. (weak isn't too much of an issue, useful for us) I'm assuming paranoid means Insane where he has a 50% chance of killing his target? Can Ace write out all the details for all possible variants of cops and doctors? | ||
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Also my bad for not reading the page 4 stuff. | ||
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I'll be checking back on this thread if you guys want to add a 4th role for me to take. I guess Qatol will take Copy Cat then. Claim a vet/bulletproof later or no? | ||
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On a side note, despite picking evens, noone picked 2, which would've made them first pick. =P | ||
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Considering how unlikely it would be that everyone had duplicate numbers (or at least people would think) then it's rather silly to pick [1][5] if I was mafia. I picked the number randomly. Also (not to play the newb card) I am new at this (this is 3rd game) so yeah, I do miss things. If you read my first game (where I'm townie) I also make a bunch of errors (meeple does an analysis of me at some point). I just figure it's better to try and contribute than to sit around like nbt and nai.protoss and scara and play the newb card fully. At least I can bring some things to attention and you guys can fix up the plan. Bill, do you mean day vigilante (the one kill one) or the compulsive vigilante? | ||
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I say BM is extremely suspicious at this point. He's blatantly not wanting to play with the plan, which I don't understand because that guarantees us top 3-4 roles PLUS not letting mafia have them even if we die. Foolishness has yet to comment on things after roles were out. Since Qatol is claiming that copy cat is taken, I understand that this information means you guys probably should not lynch me in case I did get a good role and I am just passing it on to the copy cat to make it anonymous. So since we need to lynch someone closer to the end of the list... I propose citi.zen at the moment. Not because he accuses me, but rather his logic seems off with accusing [me and Foolishness] for outsmarting people due to picking numbers. We clearly would lower our chances of being at the front by picking [1][1] and[1][5] rather than [1][1] and [2][1]. Oh, not to mention he's at the end of the list so he probably doesn't have a good role. Of course that's going off only one post of information, but I will step it up a bit. These are first impressions. I am not going to pretend they are strong and will not argue with anyone just yet - don't bother. Onwards and upwards. I am not going to pretend my argument against citi.zen is very strong either, but I would like him to reply and explain why he thinks "our" number picking is in any way suspicious. By that I mean, if me and Foolishness were mafia together, why it would make any sense for me to pick [1][5] AND for him to pick [1][1]. | ||
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So now we have a mafia copy cat. No idea what BM and Folishness were up to because I'm not the role I was picking...so like...urgh. | ||
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Actually I'm not sure which one is better(which check to use on who)... I really need to sleep. xD Regarding your comment about johnnyspazz, it just seems to mean that Incognito didn't teach him very well. xP | ||
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Clearly you shouldn't just accept what I say. If I was mafia and I got the compulsive vigilante role then killing me would be a bad idea because if what Qatol says is true, the copy cat will get my role. Lynching BM or Foolishness before figuring out who is what would be stupid because that means we have a 50% chance of losing a very important role if we lynch the wrong person. AND letting the copy cat take that role. I think the mafia's train of thought is basically: Take copy cat, let BM/Foolishness (whoever is mafia, could be both) take compulsive vigilante. So clearly we will be able to figure out one of them early but then we need to stall for another night before being able to kill them if we think we should kill a less important role first. I do not suggest anyone protect me tonight, since I am vanilla. If I am mafia, it wouldn't make sense for me to tell you not to protect me, since #1 you protecting me would mean you're wasting a protect on me rather than someone else. #2 Mafia wouldn't kill me if I was one of them, because that's just killing 25% of them for no reason. | ||
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If I did get compulsive vigilante and I am mafia this would be the dumbest move ever (since it would get me discovered/killed for no reason). If I am mafia and let someone else get the role, then again, dumbest move ever since I can just pretend I have the role for a while and then when you finally discover I don't you still have no idea who does. | ||
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the fact you all are talking about lynching the person who picked first means: 1) you are mafia, have the copycat, and are scratching your nuts for my role 2) you are the copycat, and you expect me to have a good role 3) you are a terrible town player I mentioned this repeatedly that we shouldn't lynch one of you two until we figure out which one is mafia because clearly lynching a low number townie is bad. (I proposed we lynch citi.zen) If I was the copy cat I'd be dead pretty soon anyway if I draw so much attention on myself and both you and foolishness check out to be town and what not. Also I don't have nuts... If I was town why would I purposely kill off you instead of mafia doing that eventually anyway? Since I didn't say, hey guys let's lynch BM or foolishness I think the 3rd point doesn't apply. | ||
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Qatol claims he didn't get copy cat. Next. | ||
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Now looking at it this way, it feels like Qatol's plan was a terrible idea. Dx | ||
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Didn't actually have anything to say other than that since everything seems to be rather messy at the moment... =\ | ||
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I think compvig is more of a problem than inventor. If we make an incorrect choice in the day there's no reason, if the mafia is compvig, for mafia not to follow through with the lynch. If we choose a mafia as the target for the compvig, they can either hit the mafia, or just hit a townie. If they hit a townie, we lynch Foolishness/BM (carefully of course, hopefully alignment checked or role checked). But then we still don't know who the real compvig is. In the meantime BM/Foolishness could have picked up another useful role like DayVig or JoaT or CopyCat or whatever. So can we sort out this alignment issue for the two people ahead of me? (Of course, medics should still protect them until we know if they're mafia) | ||
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I'm assuming d3 could've died trying to protect one of them. Well now that mafia copy cat has a nub weak doctor role... Can someone claim alignment on BM/Foolishness? I guess it's a bad idea to reveal your role so soon though. =\ FoS on BM/Foolishness, but certainly don't want to lynch the wrong one here. =\ Cellphone seems like a reasonable invention, given that mafia wouldn't need a cell to PM each other. If inventor tries to give the invention to someone who died during the night (ex. d3) is the invention basically wasted? | ||
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On May 04 2010 14:42 ~OpZ~ wrote: You don't think BM had protection if he wasn't mafia? Seriously, mafia hitting BM would of been....Not the smartest idea if he's town. So forget your FoS. It's weak. Extremely shakey. Okay seriously OpZ you need to read, or be more clear. A weak doctor died, which means that he could've tried to protect a mafia and got killed. Seeing as how we're all like PROTECT BM AND FOOLISHNESS, d3 could've died protecting one of them. I'm not implying BM or Foolishness should've died, I'm saying d3 could've died trying to protect one of them if they are mafia. Granted, SK probably killed someone and mafia killed someone but then again one of their kills could've been blocked so who knows... Also citi.zen, why do you vote for killing me out of me OpZ and Falcynn, I have no opposition to you killing me for information (finding out that BM/Foolishness is mafia/compvig) but you didn't state a reasoning. | ||
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Mafia knows whether BM, you, and/or me is mafia. #1 BM is mafia. He can get another mafia to take inventor, and he can steal compvig from town. In this case, you should claim NOT compvig. And we deal with Bill. (by deal with I mean confirm his alignment somehow, and lynch me if necessary) #2 You and/or BM are mafia. Well, if you claim compvig, we go wtf why did you do that when I was supposed to take it. If you claim NOT compvig either you or Bill is lying, we can lynch me and then deal with you. #3 I am mafia. Well then I am retarded...my plan involves lynching me first to confirm. | ||
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But seriously Foolishness if you are town, you should claim either compvig or not compvig. If I was mafia and I was lying, then I would already know you are not compvig. If I was mafia and telling the truth, and BM is mafia with me, then I would already know if you are compvig. If I was mafia and BM is town, then I doubt BM has the coordination to pull off another townie pretending to be inventor instead of him. If I was town, and mafia knows I'm town, then they know that I'm probably telling the truth, and they will know you and BM's role. So telling us whether you are compvig or not compvig only benefits town. So basically, if you claim compvig, everything's okay for now other than wtf why did you steal my role. If you claim not compvig then you and BM are under heavy scrutiny (or at least will be when I am revealed town). | ||
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Here's to hoping we don't go today with no lynch. | ||
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It is perfectly legit to lynch me to confirm what I say about Bill/Foolishness. | ||
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I think it would be better to lynch me to confirm rather than wasting detective checks and having to claim DT to get them. I said stop trying to lynch me because you think I'm mafia because it's pretty clear that it would be retarded for me to be mafia after all that's happened. If you actually have a legitimate reason why you think I'm mafia (I cannot see how) then I guess sure, lynch me/compvig me. | ||
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We now have 12 people left, 3 mafia. Now that BM is gone I'm concerned that no one will stand up to Qatol in case he is mafia. But other than that I think town is better off without the distraction of what to invent and whether BM is pro town. I know this is a very fluffy post but like I said not much I have to say... Just letting you know I'm still around. | ||
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But basically this is how my train of thought went: Oh hey cool Qatol posted this big elaborate plan, sounds like fun, I should try and see if I can contribute anything... hmm, copycat stuff. Okay, according to Qatol's plan I pick CompVig, so instead of picking JoaT like my original plan I pick CompVig. Get roles back, I am vanilla townie. =( Somewhat bleh at this point. So basically I figured either BM or Foolishness was mafia and wanted to get that sorted out, but I do know that if they're not then they're definitely power roles so I suggested lynching me to confirm what I said (especially since first day lynch isn't all that great at hitting mafia anyway) and then deal with them. Or to do some role checks and get it figured out. I said role check me because I was supposed to take the role of CompVig so checking me confirms that I am indeed vanilla. Alignment check on BM or Foolishness would be for determining who was not on town's side because a role check on them would pretty much end up with inventor/compvig. At this point I'm like awww crap, Qatol's plan's actually pretty good for mafia because they know which roles they can snipe. This would've only worked out better if we determined more roles it would seem. =\ Also not really sure why Foolishness would snipe my role. =( So really at this point I'm just a bit mafia'd out, played 2 games before this one but I decided to stay in because L was needing a replacement and I didn't want to make the game even smaller. Plus the not getting a role when I was 3rd in the draft was =(. If you look at my previous 2 games I was townie in one and mafia in another and they pretty much played out the same. I just feel like larger games don't really work for me because I have a hard time getting a feel for everyone. I've still been actively reading everything but I don't feel like there was much to say other than if I was to randomly pick (or pick someone somewhat suspicious) a person and analyze them. If Foolishness is not mafia and took my role and knew that I was likely going to pick it then I feel like he might be the Serial Killer. Since having 2 kill power would be quite awesome, not to mention that he could just go along with whoever town decides to lynch because it doesn't matter who dies as long as someone does. Qatol's plan seemed to be quite mafia favouring after I thought about it (considering people's experiences with failed ability to gain roles they were assigned, or just me and Qatol I guess). In terms of the lynch and compvig hits, like I said I didn't feel like participating much but I don't really want to hold back town through inactivity so I just went along with whatever. I read through people's reasoning on why sidesprang could be the mafia copycat and it seemed reasonable, I didn't go and verify it myself by checking the list and whatnot... With johnnyspazz he didn't feel scummy but I really wasn't going to try and convince everyone to pick a different compvig target (too much effort, having to convince people why johnnyspazz isn't mafia, then finding another better target, having to stay up and convince people...) and I just didn't "feel" like johnny was mafia so like yeah, too much effort just going along the flow. I'll try to be more active but really my heart's not in the game much... I mean you've seen that my previous 2 games were active whether I was mafia or townie. So yeah, I very much apologize to town if they decided to lynch me due to my failure at contributing, since I know how much it sucks when people are inactive and not doing much (*cough*RoL*cough* xP) and it's even worse when you cost town a townie lynch for it. TL,DR: Not really into the game, will try harder to participate. Understandable if you lynch me and I apologize ahead of time for it. | ||
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Korynne: I completely understand what you're saying about possibly being burnt out etc. However, I think you're a very clever player. You played your first game as a very active townie, you played your second game as a very active mafia, and being very convincing at that. I'm inclined to think that if you got mafia again in this game, you might play it exactly the way you are. Fake being tired of Mafia as an excuse to post less. Unfortunately for all of us, there's little you can do at this point to remove suspicion from yourself. Anyways, I'm genuinely hoping you're mafia, and that you're burnt out routine is an act, because you seem like a good player to have around. Radfield, my inactivity is neither indicating of me being mafia or town. You know I can play a good mafia game with activity. =P Unfortunately I am not mafia (but hey, I would say that in either case so I guess that's something stupid to say), but I will be around, more in smaller games and definitely in the process of creating a very custom game which I intend to host. So I will be around, but probably not anymore in games larger than 10 or 15. =P I'm just burnt out at the moment, not a general I won't play mafia again type situation. xD Just maybe sitting out one or two to relax for a bit and focus on creating my own game. Oh hey, I probably sound like Bill Murray in his first mafia (godfather) game. =D In any case, like I said, I will try to be more active. On lunch break right now, will post analysis on the top 3 or 4 suspects of the day when I get home. (Actually I have no idea how good my analysis is because as townie in the first game I had no idea whether it was right, though I did have a suspicion that Incognito was dragging town around xD, second game I was mafia so all my analysis does not apply anyway, and I realized it's quite easy for townies to do stupid shit that makes them look like mafia. =\) | ||
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Falcynn: Offers himself up for lynching (context: he proposed a plan to determine sanity of cops by lynching a townie) Says [someone]s logic is pretty sound, so going with the sidesprang lynch, notes that using dayvig would probably be a bad idea unless we definitely have 3 targets (I don't know the context here, but if Falcynn was 3rd on the chopping block and he was mafia with sidesprang then that would look suspicious, otherwise seems reasonable to ask people to make sure we have 3 targets before requesting dayvig hit) Agrees with OpZ that he has a bad feeling about Radfield, but Radfield is far down the list and what nots... Says: Holy shit, yay! ^_^ after sidesprang's lynch. Someone else can check this against his previous games to determine if this is a bit too happy/enthusiastic for his usual play. Advocates more protection/detection from inventor than KP. Says that he agrees with lynching BM even though that could make him look scummy if BM keeps making random crap. Conclusion: Plays the role of the heroic sacrificial townie. Goes with the sidesprang lynch by agreeing with town. FoS on Radfield and BM. Verdict: Slightly suspicious, but will have to gauge against other people to make a final analysis. | ||
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Thinks Zona is town, and less sure but thinks Qatol is town too. Thinks Foolishness and Korynne are shifty. In defence of what citi.zen says about: He is clearly thinking about the roles a lot, yet makes repeated mistakes in his proposed "pro-town" plans. This could be a new player thing, or someone who is trying to seem active but not paying enough attention to "the other side's view". If you read my last two games I always try to think about the other side. I think I got carried away with like omg qatol has an awesome plan let's add to it. This game clearly has more "vets" (Qatol seems like one of them) than the other games I've played so purposely slipping up here seems like a bad idea on my part. Stuff about BM's invention and town circles etc etc Proposes an alignment and not role detective kit. Replies to Radfield asking him if he will lynch sidesprang with yes, information is better than no information. Proposes saving the dayvig kill. Apparently [continues] "to like Korynne as a red" xD 4 vanilla claimants and one must be lying if JeeJee is telling the truth (sidesprang ended up being the guy lying here) Still voting for hitting Korynne... xD Again, no dayvig plz. Points out johnnyspazz missed him in the voted for sidesprang count. Buncha stuff about invention stuffs... Argues with Qatol about invention stuffs... Likes JeeJee's play. Basically back and forth with Qatol, accusing Korynne in between. xD Conclusion: Likes to accuse me a lot, but I can see how I've been playing not so well this game. xD Doesn't seem to give /too/ much information on why I should be lynched, just slightly prefered and FoS on me and Foolishness from the start. Verdict: Slightly suspicious. I don't like the focus on inventions and quibbling with Qatol, seems like fake activity almost. Also Darth that is poor reasoning. I don't know his style. But his defense of sidesprang has just made me suspicious. I think it's definitely worth considering, and I think he might be mafia - that or, based on his animosity toward Korynne, Korynne is mafia. What does everyone think? Animosity towards another player when you are town does not indicate whether someone is mafia. I agree I've played rather poorly this game in terms of being lazy and not thinking enough about the plan but that doesn't make me mafia if citi.zen is town. Likewise if you lynch me and I'm town, that doesn't automatically make citi.zen mafia. If one of us flips red, you can consider the other more green/be suspicious by reverse psychology since mafia would know whether the other person was green. But two people pointing fingers at each other doesn't really mean much if the first one killed ends up green. | ||
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Most notably claims he has a fun, fun role (Which JeeJee somewhat confirmed) Agrees that inventor and compvig should be monitored by town Sad about noone voting day 1, votes for johnnyspazz due to different play than previous game Says that anyone taking copycat and town aligned would be stupid and no help, so agrees with lynching sidesprang Makes a shifty compvig+weakdoctor plan that didn't work Is now away catching up on sleep. Conclusion: Really inactive, basically bandwagony, nothing exciting really. He didn't post much in the other game he was townie either. Verdict: Not very suspicious. Would like it if Hobbes contributed more though. | ||
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Oh shit you're new, I thought you were totally vet and killed you the first night in BM's game. xD Says Korynne could take JoaT since that seems like an important role. Discusses trade-off between mafia stealing roles and making themselves easier to detect Suggests bulletproof vests for inventions Important to keep tabs on compvig and inventor Questions Korynne's thing about role checking her (yeah yeah, I'm dumb leave me alone Dx) Reminds people to ##compvig Proposes to uber protect BM/Foolishness and check them Invention talk about bulletproof vests... Talking with Bill... same old like, everyone disagreeing with BM running off on his own type thing xD Sidesprang as suspect after night. Doesn't think Qatol is mafia at this point. Thinks we should use dayvig on sidesprang. Wants JeeJee to out his role to see if Hobbes or JeeJee is lying. Lynch JeeJee if sidesprang flops green. Bunch of other stuff about what happens if sidesprang flops green... Doesn't think Korynne is mafia, based on stuff with Foolishness OpZ apparently was not reading well and Radfield was like wtf man you read? Points out that sidesprang would be awfully anti-town if he took copycat and was not mafia Used the word deserves, peeps are like omg Radfield blah blah, Radfield is like my bad deserves is the wrong way to put it Insistent on sidesprang, dont know what to go on after that Points out Hobbes' broken plan. Question about Amnesia getting modkilled. Points out that Foolishness should claim CV/notCV (thank you, at least someone sees it xD) Points out JeeJee should decide whether to out the role he tried to get FoS on Scamp, not johnnyspazz but still voting compvig spazz Asks BM to prove he's pro town The whole I've been shot and protected by medic issue Again I don't see why if I turn out red citizen is cleared...why do people keep saying that. Tells SK that SK needs to play on town side atm. Conclusion: Pretty chill, points out quite a few things, etc etc. Verdict: Unlikely mafia. Started the sidesprang thing, seems pretty pro-town. | ||
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On May 07 2010 07:43 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: I havent been just sitting around. I have not had the time whatsoever to be more active on the thread than I have been. I'm not purposely not posting, I haven't been home in front of a computer with time to think about the game very often at all. Won't be around later tonight to vote, so, as I believe her to be the most suspicious currently, ##Vote Korynne Uhh wut. I didn't accuse you of lurking or whatever. I just said would like you to be more active, but not saying that makes you scummy... I said you went to sleep, I didn't even say like a (or so he says) at the end... If you were mafia (even if you were legitimately busy) this seems like a good way to just be like, well here's my vote for her, since I won't be around you can't gain additional information on me etc. >_> | ||
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On May 07 2010 07:41 Foolishness wrote: Not going to lie, your analyses' seemed a bit half-assed. I assume that this is your way of responding to my post about you without actually addressing the key issues? ##Vote: Korynne There wasn't much information on Hobbes... you go do one on Hobbes and tell me what insightful information you find. >_> Oh right, let's quote the smaller of the analyses I do... I was not responding to your post, I was responding to Radfield being like you inactive and who you think is mafia. And me being like k imma post analysis later. Korynne is most suspicious to me. She was an active part of the community in the beginning, and has since dropped out due to boredom (conveniently right as we killed a mafia too...). That's a pretty standard mafia move, and I think you already mentioned it: being active in the beginning to gain trust then hiding it out. The biggest reason I'm suspicious of her is because of her "fine just kill me if you don't believe me" attitude, and she has mentioned something along these lines in multiple posts, not just once. I see this defense all the time in real life mafia and it's usually the sign of a mafia member "giving up" so to say. The fact that she admitted to being bored and not wanting to contribute doesn't help either. And as far as I can see, Hobbes has contributed as much as Amnesia has this game. Having a "fun fun role" as he called it does not justify him sitting around. I'm assuming this is the post you want me to reply to (if not redirect me to the post you want me to reply to). "pretty standard mafia move"s are pretty terrible moves for mafia to make since that would make them seem mafia no? My last game I was active the whole way through. First game I kinda dropped off at the end as well cuz it was like blargh...we don't really have anything to go on. I felt the same here, it was like omg planz cool cool and then like, oh shit, plans didn't work out so well... and not really sure where to proceed. It's not so much a fine just kill me attitude as like a, well you can kill me if you need to, to prove that BM/Foolishness is mafia when it comes to that. Because I feel like we don't have a whole lot of checks to throw around so if there was a situation where if I was telling the truth then we are pretty sure about who of them is mafia, then killing me (vanilla townie) then them (power role mafia) seems like a good idea since it's like, 1 for 1, and I'm vanilla and killing me first would be like making sure me as a mafia doesn't lead you to killing a town aligned power role. Also I'm not so much bored as burnt out, and realizing I don't really enjoy larger mafia games. Also, there's few enough of us that catching someone being active in the beginning then being inactive would be pretty sure to happen, so again, would be bad move on my part if I was mafia. If I was mafia, I'd say I would've "deproved" from my last game. xD Anyway if I do get lynched I apologize to town for them wasting a lynch, and maintain that I tried to get the role of CompVig and failed so Foolishness must be CompVig. | ||
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Feels like at least one of you three is like omg yay other people are suspecting a townie gogogo bandwagon! | ||
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Also, he basically jumps on the idea of lynching me for a nonsensical reason. (Yes, he suspected me before probably but he votes for me after he's like half-ass analysis you're not responding to my question lynch, even though earlier #1 I've stated I was going to analyse people later when I got home, #2 Radfield asked me to analyze people, #3 given that I started on the top of the list and went down it wasn't likely I was addressing what he said unless I actually said, oh btw, this also pertains to Foolishness' post) I haven't confirmed what Radfield said but it seems more reasonable than lynching me. Like I said, when I flip town, it doesn't really say Foolishness is mafia or not because really I'm just saying he's compvig which he hasn't confirmed or denied. Likewise, if citi.zen is town there's no way he knows whether I'm mafia so it's not like him accusing me a lot clears him or pegs him as mafia. I'd hit Hobbes or Foolishness if I flop town though. Giving them plenty of time to defend and respond of course. But it seems like this sudden omg vote Korynne is a bit weird. (citi.zen's always been like let's vote Korynne so meh) | ||
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##Vote: DarThienAn## Citi.zen is on my slightly suspicious radar, I definitely want to figure out what is going on with Foolishness first before deciding on whether to vote for citizen. | ||
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Didn't vote for sidesprang or make any mention of it. Prefered killing spazz to JeeJee. Seems reasonably scummy to vote for. | ||
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This last paragraph you wrote is exactly what I was talking about. You shouldn't want to die for the benefit of the town. All these guys around here say "well this person being clean means this guy's mafia" or "he turned up red, obviously this guy's mafia as well" is useless thinking, and distracts from actually finding mafia. I've yet to play a game where we lynched someone, then made the conclusion "okay this guy's mafia" and lynched him the following day. It doesn't happen. What do you mean you shouldn't want to die for the benefit of town? If killing me CLEARLY benefits town even though I'm townie I see no reason why this is invalid. Like I said, given that Foolishness has a good role and I claimed vanilla, it is clearly less risky for town to lynch me before him. Lynch me first: best case, we get vanilla mafia, worst case, we lose vanilla townie before getting power role mafia. Lynch Foolishness first: best case, we get power mafia, worst case, we lose power townie before killing vanilla mafia. If I was town I wouldn't want to risk killing a powerful townie based on the words of another townie especially if they claim vanilla. All you've done is insisted that compvig is not something we have to worry about (even though I stated that it could be an issue, though at least me picking it means it couldn't have slipped to another mafia like BM's role could have). You say we have far worse concerns than compvig being mafia...and what would those be? Considering that compvig being mafia doubles mafia's kp... I mean you're not even actually coming out and claiming compvig after I mention it in my posts like 500 times so like, what, you're going to try and push for my lynch when you don't follow town's orders to kill a mafia? | ||
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Most of your posts are like 5min posts, I even went through them again afterwards to make sure. They're mostly like 1-5 lines long and are like conversational rather than analysis. I'm taking my information from zbot so it's not updated with your entire afternoon writing stuff, but I mean given that everyone is accusing you today it would be rather silly to sit back and read and not post long defenses. Though my bad on the explanation on not voting sidesprang, it was in the johnnyspazz long pots so I skimmed and didn't catch it. | ||
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I didn't say I'm not suspicious looking, everyone seems to be band-wagoning on me anyway. I don't see why someone inactive can't call someone else out. If someone accuses me of being scummy I can't call them scummy in return? If you think I'm suspicious vote for me, okay. But to say I can't call you out against stuff that seems a bit of a stretch. I see we're all bandwagoning on this I won't be here tonight so I'll vote for Korynne thing... | ||
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Well that seems more useful than lynching vanilla me. xD I don't know though, sounded like Radfield had this thought out with the what happens after lynching Darth thing. So I'll leave it to him to explain his reasoning. | ||
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Yeah I don't know, seems to be something Radfield/Qatol brought up. I didn't really look into it. >.< | ||
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Just a thought... | ||
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Though he seemed to play pro-town enough? I don't think he needed to use any double votes though. I wonder why Darth killed him... | ||
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Also citi.zen I don't know why you're getting on Qatol's case about tone. That post didn't make me "quiver" even half as much as Foolishness' posts do. xP And yes Qatol I'm glad someone finally points out that I don't really get credit if I'm just voting for not-me. xP People read too much into that. I'm going to believe for now that Hobbes and JeeJee are in the clear... Otherwise once we clear other things they basically tied the last two mafia together by a rope. Anyway, work time, will decide on stuff later. | ||
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Like I said I'm going to leave the hobbes+jeejee thing for now. If we have no leads, lynching jeejee tells us something about hobbes so I'm not worried about that "couple" for now. Someone should also perhaps analyze people's responses between when darth was to be lynched and when his mafia-ness was revealed. | ||
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I think Scamp would be a good target... ##Compvig: Scamp## Also, no credit since the other target is essentially me. xD | ||
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But if our other target was Hobbes, I think JeeJee's death kinda confirms the Hobbes with the "fun, fun" role? I'd be pissed if Hobbes was killed though, like from the inactivity-ness. So people we have left: Falcynn citi.zen [NyC]HoBbes Korynne Foolishness ~Opz~ Qatol Zona Scenarios: [Keep Foolishness and CompVig hit at night] We get a mafia through lynch: We'll be down to 4T/1M in the morning best case. We'll be down to 4T/2M if we ask Foolishness not to kill anyone at night. We'll be down to 3T/2M in the morning worst case. We don't get a mafia through lynch: We'll be down to 3T/3M in the best case. We'll be down to 2T/3M in the morning worst case. [Kill Foolishness] We get a mafia through lynch (so basically if Foolishness is mafia): We'll be down to 4T/2M in the morning. We don't get a mafia through lynch (if Foolishness is innocent): We'll be down to 3T/3M in the morning. [Don't kill anyone] Foolishness kills mafia at night: We'll be down to 4T/2M Foolishness hits town at night: We'll be down to 3T/3M. So basically we have to lynch a mafia right now. xD (As in the lynch Foolishness plan because he has a KP doesn't apply here) | ||
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Since no one has a KP role in the day (correct me if I'm wrong since I didn't look over the roles again) we'll have to wait and see what happens with Hobbes and Zona. I doubt Hobbes is mafia from JeeJee's claims, no idea about Zona. But if Zona is mafia then we're /very/ lucky. >_> Vengeful player also doesn't help, since that would require us killing them first... | ||
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Sounds like an excellent plan OpZ. xD | ||
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Falcynn citi.zen Korynne Foolishness ~Opz~ Qatol 2 mafia, 4 townies. Lynch a townie: We dead, unless we compvig a mafia. Lynch a mafia: We all good for tomorrow. So again, we probably shouldn't kill Foolishness unless we're like 90% sure he's mafia because without compvig we're dead overnight if we screw it up. | ||
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Wtf I'm fail at reading or whatever it is. Ignore my last couple lame ass posts. xP | ||
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3. Korynne - [1] [5] 4. Falcynn [1] [7] 6. ~OpZ~ - [4] [14] 10. Qatol - [6] [1] 18. citi.zen - [12] [3] Okay here's the list. And here's the mafia numbers: [6][1], [8][1], [12][1]. If Radfield was alive right now we'd probably lynch him since his number is [10][1].xP | ||
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Actually I think it's OpZ (though I need to go check when he claimed) because he's between hobbes [4][1] and d3 [4][14] and he claimed 4 14. So he could've been 4 1 which would make him quite quite suspicious with the current scheme of mafia numbers. Falycnn could also have been [4][1] instead of [1][7] (if he claimed after hobbes). I'm mainly FoSing OpZ because he's really pushing for Qatol or Foolishness based on the [1] thing. citi.zen seems okay because he picked either [12][1] or [12][3] so like it would be silly for mafia to double up on their highest number. Me? I could've been a [1][1] I guess. | ||
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We have 3 tries to get mafia (1/6, 1/5, 1/3) Not using compvig hits (foolishness alive): We have 3 tries to get mafia (1/6, 1/4, 1/3) Not using compvig hits (foolishness dead): We have 2 tries to get mafia (1/6, 1/4) If Foolishness is mafia and we let him hit at night: We have 2 tries to get mafia (1/6, 1/3) [we can't really ask foolishness to kill himself overnight...] If Foolishness is mafia and we don't let him hit at night: We have 2 tries to get mafia (1/6, 1/4) -So if we don't use compvig hit, foolishness is basically dead tonight. -Not using compvig hits gives us better chances at hitting mafia, but same number of tries, but also requires foolishness to be alive after tonight (wtf scamp didn't claim xD) So you guys can give suggestions on which setup you prefer (compvig to hit tonight or not) but I'm leaning towards hitting someone tonight, since that at least guarantees we'll have 3 instead of 2 shots at mafia. | ||
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I just explained why it doesn't make a difference if we keep him alive. | ||
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I don't think we should look at foolishness, compvig definitely helps give us one additional try and we can always kill him tomorrow if he is mafia. I explained why I don't think by citi.zen's number he is likely to be mafia... would seem silly to purposely make mafia end up at the back of the picks... I claimed my number before Foolishness, so I should be okay for now (sure I could be the last mafia with the only non ending in 1 number but the likelihood of that happening is 1/4) Qatol is at [6][1], which is like, ok mafia could've done it to make qatol seem very innocent (with his plans and what nots, he could get a good role and pass copycat to sidesprang safely, he emphasizes the groupings) OpZ and Falcynn could be faking their numbers. Hobbes claimed before both of them, d3 claimed before OpZ so he knows exactly what range of numbers he can pick. Same situation with Falcynn, he knew he could safely pick [1][5+] or [4][1] when he gave his number. | ||
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We have 2 days either way...and 3 tries instead of 2 tries to hit mafia if we keep you around (and mafia kills you tonight). So right now my choices for lynch would be: Qatol, Falcynn, or OpZ. | ||
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So maybe it is a good idea to kill Foolishness because that gives us 1/4 and 1/3...which is better than the other odds... | ||
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Falcynn might have a role? If Qatol was mafia he definitely should have a role unless he was unlucky... could've happened and then he went along with the i tried to pick copy cat thing. | ||
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Is this your slipup as mafia? xD As in, oh hey, if I die there's 5 townies left. xP | ||
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So FoS is on you Foolishness. xD But I still say we lynch someone today, compvig someone tonight, and then kill Foolishness tomorrow. So at least we would have all 3 attempts at lynching someone. | ||
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So we can all just kind of freely express our opinion without like omg u mafia with him! | ||
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So nevermind all that, let's move on to the real stuff. Qatol, which two of everyone other than Foolishness do you find most suspicious? I personally propose we lynch Foolishness tomorrow and use our two other chances to hit some peeps. So everyone should vote for two of the following people to be lynched: Qatol (came up with the group plan so could've picked [6][1] to dupe us) Korynne (I do have the number thing going for me... for whatever that's worth) Falcynn (could've faked number, emphasizes lynching sidesprang for information but then says oh cool we caught mafia, does that mean everyone above him is probably telling the truth? Also slightly suspicious of BM, but we all were) OpZ (could've faked number, no idea what his thing with the BP claim`was, please explain) Foolishness I think we should lynch tomorrow if we feeel like he is mafia citi.zen seems pretty in the clear So basically everyone should pick two of the top 4 people they think are most suspicious. Mine would be Qatol and OpZ at the moment... | ||
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In that case I'm okay living with the idea that I could've won and would have if someone wasn't completely retarded? xD | ||
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If he does agree to shoot himself and is not mafia, then he should give his full analysis before killing himself. =P | ||
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On May 07 2010 21:44 citi.zen wrote: I want to hear Zona's thoughts too. I would like us to notice what happened last time we were waiting on someone's thoughts. =P | ||
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Since citi.zen's okay with thinking Qatol is green (and he seems more vet than me xP), then I'm basically down for: Lynching OpZ, compvig Falcynn and lynching Foolishness tomorrow. Falcynn, day ends in ~12 hours. If you skim at least read the omg-mod-text font. xP | ||
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Oh the other hand if we don't claim BP, then mafia could hit BP and we would have more time. Excellent idea OpZ. Also, even though we'll have a verified townie, we have one extra townie left. So it's pretty much the same. So I'm thinking either you or Falcynn should claim BP if you are BP, otherwise noone else should because mafia is more likely to hit us and not claiming BP would be beneficial for that. You guys could've lied without risk, the rest of us couldn't. That's what I'm saying with the numbers. | ||
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If Falcynn is mafia I'm blaming it all on you Qatol. xD If Qatol turns out mafia then it's citi.zen's fault for clearing you. =P With a good amount of you wanting me dead I don't suppose there's anything I can do about it. Foolishness has been wanting to get his hands on me for ages. xP I guess I'm okay with this plan, I could always try to argue between me and Falcynn if/after OpZ turns out town. So we all good with lynching OpZ then? (other than OpZ, of course. xD) I'd like to hear if OpZ has a roleclaim before he is lynched. | ||
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Falcynn's basically said: I was away for my filming thing [insert a bit of advertising for it] The other thing was that he did mention the whole well I'm trying to contribute people complained about that in previous games and I always agree with people etc etc. I can find that post for you if you don't find it Foolishness, but he does mention something like I'm trying to participate more kinda thing. Why do you keep going back to the same thing Foolishness? So if I say OH MY GAWD I DONT WANNA DIE DONT KILL ME you'll be okay with not lynching me? I mean if you keep repeating that it's scummy then it's not like as a scum or a townie I would want to keep doing that if I wanted to get rid of your suspicions. But seriously I don't see the point here, it's like when XeliN was like omg you didn't claim town to me so you suspicious. But like, who cares, it's not like as a townie or as a mafia I would pick differently in my opinion. If I'm doing something so obviously scummy and I keep doing it then like, it's just me doing it... you can't really take anything out of it other than your first instinct of that's scummy, and nothing I can do now will change that. Like I said, I'll wait 'til after OpZ is lynched to deal with defending myself and what nots. Let's get this first one over with. Everyone's pretty much like yeah okay Foolishness is going to be lynched tomorrow, it's not like you're jumping on defending yourself either. So should I assume you're mafia because you're doing what you said is scummy? >_> | ||
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Definitely want his suspects before he dies, or if he has a role to claim, or anything else he finds useful. | ||
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##Vote OpZ## Seriously at this point OpZ like I said, if you're town, offer up who you think should be killed tonight/tomorrow's lynch and anything else useful please. | ||
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With this whole bulletproof talk I'm suspicious of OpZ actually being bulletproof and compvig would be useless tonight. | ||
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If my "sheep ass" causes town to lose then you didn't do your best to stop it from happening. There's good players and bad players, and if you're going to just say fuck everyone else I'm better than you then you're not very helpful to town winning as a whole. This isn't a game where you win if you found all the mafia, it's a game where you have to convince the entire town to lynch the mafia. More days = more time to analyze, but also less tries for town. We already mentioned that. If we don't lynch anyone and tell Foolishness not to compvig anyone, then we are left with 4 townies and 1 mafia tomorrow, at which point we lynch someone, mafia kills someone, and we're left with 2 townies and 1 mafia and we make our final guess. If we do lynch someone, Foolishness compvig's someone, then mafia kills someone, we're left with 2 townies and 1 mafia tomorrow. The difference here is that we killed 2 suspicious people and mafia kills someone that's pretty cleared, whereas in the case where we don't lynch, we kill 1 suspicious person and allow mafia to kill off 2 people that are pretty much cleared. So clearly lynching is better than not lynching. | ||
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If you thought it was definitely either Qatol or citi.zen would you rather: 1. Wait until mafia killed Foolishness and then decide who to lynch between Qatol and citi.zen 2. Lynch/compvig Qatol and then lynch citi.zen tomorrow? It's not like mafia's going to go ahead and leave us very innocent looking people for the last 3 alive... | ||
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The point is in the second situation you can just lynch both of them and not have to worry. If you trust your judgement that much to be able to tell which of your top 2 suspects is the mafia, then you should've helped us way more in the beginning with hunting mafia. >_> | ||
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Or do we have other targets? I'm going for Falcynn, since it's basically between me and Falcynn, and I think that we basically have to trust Qatol and citi.zen. | ||
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Korynne: Foolishness Falcynn Falcynn: Foolishness Qatol citi.zen If you absolutely hate me Foolishness you could always just compvig me since either way you're getting lynched tomorrow. =P | ||
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And yes, if you killed me when Falcynn was mafia I would be like... oh shi- xD | ||
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Or I suppose a roleclaim might do? etc. | ||
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I honestly don't know what to do at this point. I know I'm not mafia, and I don't sense like you're all /that/ mafia... and like Foolishness I've been suspicious of all game... citi.zen or Qatol will probably be killed tonight... bleh, guess we'll find out how things go... | ||
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If I'm mafia, killing you tonight = me citi.zen Qatol = me dead If you're mafia, you obviously won't kill yourself xD If Qatol's mafia, killing citi.zen = qatol, me, foolishness = either you or me die If citizen is mafia, kill Qatol = citizen, me, foolishness = either you or me die If Falcynn is mafia, then we win tonight. So basically, if Qatol or citizen is mafia we've pretty much lost the game I would think... but that's kind of like a we got out-thinked or some shit. It's basically between me and Foolishness tomorrow, and either citi.zen or Qatol will be dead tonight. I mean if we no-lynch the first day, then mafia pretty much has to kill foolishness tonight to prevent us from getting a third kill tomorrow before we die. So yeah... | ||
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I get kinda the same vibe from foolishness as I did from the other few people we lynched, as in like it feels like they're innocent. But I really can't see how it's citi.zen. =\ That would be so lame... especially considering the fact that mafia would've had to go like 12 12. Any last words Foolishness? D= (I mean if I was mafia you'd be dead by now, so like I think that makes me innocent? >.<) | ||
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What do I think about it? Foolishness obviously is compvig, this was confirmed when BM said he is inventor. I was sitting around going well why would what bill said mean anything, and then realized that it has something to do with a roleblocker, hence I pointed that out in the ban thread since BM seems to keep saying his post doesn't tell town anything. Like I said, if me not voting for Foolishness immediately after citi.zen votes for him doesn't clear me as townie, I don't know what would other than lynching me. -.- | ||
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Not much to it there... I responded to that a while after it happened because it took me a while to think about why it would even make a difference if BM said that. | ||
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#1 Foolishness convince me why citizen looks more suspicious than you. #2 We lynch Foolishness today. Looks like I get to be the confirmed townie that gets to decide if we win or lose this game, woo. >_> | ||
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You already voted for foolishness. If I am mafia, I can vote for foolishness right now, or like 5 hours ago, and the game is over. Mafia wins. Therefore since I have not voted for foolishness yet, that means I am not mafia. Why is this such a hard concept for people? >.< | ||
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You're the one that hastily voted for Foolishness xD. So either way it's you who would have caused me to win as mafia or cause us to win as town, if you are town. xD | ||
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Just waiting to hear from Foolishness before the hammer falls. | ||
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I am 90% sure the day "ends" when you reach majority vote. As in like, day might continue to 24 hours just so people don't get screwed up schedules and have to wake up at like 4am to play. I'm not defending myself because I was under the impression that once majority is reached then we lynch that person when the day is over. Ace can you clarify on this point? If I have the let's hurry up and lynch foolishness attitude I would've done it already given my impression of the game. I'm the one saying does Foolishness have anything to say etc. rather than what citi.zen is doing, which is well I'm voting for Foolishness and that's that. I agree with you that the person should have the ability to say something, which is why I said let's hear from Foolishness and I haven't voted yet. I was under the impression that everyone would want to kill citi.zen or Qatol, since they seemed most town. citi.zen already said don't lynch qatol. Qatol said he thinks Foolishness is the last mafia. So way to use old information to support your innocence... If I was mafia I would've killed citi.zen because he hasn't been saying much so he could be all over the place (not to mention Qatol said he thinks Foolishness is the last mafia). Just like how last game I killed hobbes instead of XeliN because even though XeliN jumps on me a lot, hobbes is quiet so I don't know what he's thinking. If citi.zen or Qatol was mafia they would just kill off the other one because you and me are a lot more suspicious than either of them. What I don't get, Foolishness, is that you've never actually came out and said you were compvig. Even after it was pretty much completely obvious. Also if we follow Qatol's number theory, [1][1] would be a rather reasonable thing to pick, a) in case everyone or most people picked duplicates, b) to remove vets like L or BM claiming 1,1 and then owning shit. Also, we clearly said foolishness pick roleblocker and let me take compvig. So you just arbitrarily stole that role from me, making you very scummy looking and you've just kind of avoided that whole conversation of why you decided to take compvig. | ||
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I don't understand why you're so eager on pushing for my lynch and don't look at citi.zen at all. Right now look at it from my perspective. citi.zen stated that he's definitely voting for you. So you should try to convince me to vote for citi.zen, and that's all I've been asking for you to do (as in present your point regarding citi.zen). This repeatedly attacking me thing doesn't get anywhere because it's not like I'm going to vote for myself over you... The only reason I haven't voted for you is to hear your case against citi.zen | ||
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I mean sure mafia could pick 1,5 but that's pretty lame since it pushes you farther down the line (haha I have no idea why any of the rest of us picked non-1s for the first digit xD, maybe I would've gotten compvig if I picked 1,1 xD). All mafia picked [1] so it seems reasonable for you to be [1][1]. You keep stating compvig is so easy to keep track of but then refuse to let me have it... It just all seems so inconsistent Foolishness... I think I have to agree with citi.zen, you're done. | ||
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Well this is all very frustrating... if citi.zen turns out mafia I will be very pissed. >_> But like Foolishness first you accuse me like crazy, and then now it's like when you realize it doesn't work to convince citi.zen, you're going to attack me instead. And you're playing the like, frustrated townie role... =\ | ||
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Well I remember you accusing me citi.zen, I don't think it was all that OMG ATTACK. citi.zen's playing very one sided, whereas Foolishness seems to be all over the place (the i don't care who gets lynched as long as it's not me kinda thing). It could just be that citi.zen knows it's easier to get Foolishness lynched? Though Foolishness has been very against me, so who knows... I mean he is kinda in the position of who I vote for dies. So if as mafia he made it that far, I'd say congrats. But yeah, Foolishness kinda had the whole I'm better than you attitude the whole game, and then now he's being very desperate. =\ | ||
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Like I don't like how Foolishness slips up, it's on things that benefits him (though I will say my bad if the number system was what you said Foolishness. That's what I first thought, and why I picked [1][5] rather than [1][1], but it seems like the whole thread we've been saying the opposite. Especially since we're all like well L must be 1,1 then since Foolishness is 1,1 rather than uber large number. Well whatever, not a big deal now), like not remembering if citi.zen attacked me, or his entire claim about who mafia would've killed last night given the different options. If I was you I would've killed Qatol for saying he definitely thinks your mafia. In any case, at this point, unless you have anything else to lie about (I don't know if it's intentional, but you do seem to miss an awful lot of things for someone who's all like I'm better than you I'm not answering your questions) Also if I was mafia, then stating you are compvig benefits town since if I was mafia I would know for certain that you were compvig (considering the fact that BM was most definitely inventor if he wasn't mafia, since it would be impossibly hard to coordinate faking that) so you would only be confirming to town. Although we've always compvig'd the wrong person at , I feel like mafia would still want to kill you off sooner... or at least take a hit at you perhaps? Who knows. I think that if I don't vote for you Foolishness, then I'd be going against what most people have been thinking this game. And I'd rather be the person who followed the group and lost, then who took a random shot at citi.zen, with no reasoning to back it up, and lost the game. Besides, citi.zen isn't changing his vote, so if you want to give me any choice here you'd have to vote for citi.zen. Otherwise I would have to vote for you because no lynch = 100% mafia win. | ||
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Though I had my glorious mafia moment in BM's game, so I guess that's enough. xD | ||
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(I will vote for Foolishness in 25min if nothing comes up, if I disappear because my internet or power goes out, please take that as my final vote. >_>) | ||
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##Vote Foolishness Now let's see how this turns out. >.< | ||
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Seems like you always show up at key moments to say a word or two (this is just based off of this game and the zbot test. I guess that pegs you more as a newcomer then. xP) | ||
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*dancedance* Sorry I couldn't live up to your expectations citi.zen. =( | ||
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Just get rid of the cookies man~ (Though who am I to speak, my dad keylogged me when I was in high school cuz he suspected I had a boyfriend. xP) | ||
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I didn't like Foolishness screwing me over. =( But I mean noone likes to be screwed over. xP I don't understand why he wouldn't shoot Falcynn... not shooting the target = autolynch the next day... Edit: Also I didn't play that great, mainly reason I stated earlier, just feeling mafia'd out and like bleh, large games. At least I don't have to live with the idea that I fucked up for town. xD So like, town won despite me being silly. xD | ||
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I definitely agree that Zona's modkill lost mafia the game. I don't buy Foolishness' argument for himself based on the fact that he brought up the inactivity (I didn't even notice people's inactivity really, seems like mafia would notice it more). Also like wtf no information roles. xD | ||
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Since he didn't vote, even if citi.zen looked scummy as hell and Foolishness looked completely innocent I /have/ to vote for Foolishness. Lynching an "obvious townie" >>>>> no lynch. | ||
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On May 11 2010 14:05 Foolishness wrote: That's interesting. I was planning to play the "somebody is lying about their role" card if I was alive in the late game, but the opportunity never came up. I tried to set up for it by hinting that I may not be the CompVig and stuff early on, hoping for an opportunity where I could claim to be a Jack or a cop or something. Never saw a chance to use it though (or at least a chance where the town wouldn't just kill me first). I totally read that though. xP | ||
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