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On May 08 2010 18:18 Korynne wrote:
Also, Bill posting that would be pertinent to whether there was a roleblocker no?
We could all be sitting around saying omg did he get roleblocked for half a day...
And probably came to the conclusion that there must be a roleblocker because why would BM not invent something? So then something regarding me or Foolishness being lynched probably because of that. Or at least some kind of using the fact that roleblocker was taken into consideration for lynching.
Yes, it's out of thread. But it did happen. What do you two think about it?
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When I saw that roleblocker passage I actually thought a red would never mention the possibility openly. Making Korynne rather unlikely to be red.
Not going to change my vote. Looking forward to seeing the flip tonight!
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You are far from confirmed, but I do think Foolishness is more likely to be red. We will soon see.
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You are right - I had forgotten about the "day ends when majority is reached" rule. Good. I made the right choice.
GG Foolishness and well done Korynne.
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On May 11 2010 04:59 Korynne wrote:
You're the one that hastily correctly voted for Foolishness xD.
There. My work here is done.
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In retrospect, Ace should have waited until after the game to add Bill to the ban list. He sort of compounded the problem by immediately drawing attention to it.
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Korynne, there is no case he can make.
He let me live because Qatol was about to vote for him anyway, as he states above. I was finally comfortable trusting Qatol, after going through 100x complicated scenarios where he was red. In the end it just didn't make sense to think his early game conversations with Zona and Darth were staged - they were too long and detailed. There was no reason for the mafia to go through that trouble and risk making mistakes - it never happens like that. So me + Qatol alive = Foolishness dead. He also knew in my first post, and a few times afterwards I picked on you, so he figured he'd have a good chance convincing me.
I also think you are right about the day ending when it does - look at the dialog between me and Qatol before we lynched Scamp (I think) - I tried to change my vote but it was too late.
I am not in a hurry to lynch Foolishness. Just make the right call in the end though.
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On May 11 2010 10:22 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2010 10:10 Korynne wrote:
You make a huge post on why you think I'm definitely mafia and then say, well... maybe citizen can be mafia. >_>
I mean sure mafia could pick 1,5 but that's pretty lame since it pushes you farther down the line (haha I have no idea why any of the rest of us picked non-1s for the first digit xD, maybe I would've gotten compvig if I picked 1,1 xD). All mafia picked [1] so it seems reasonable for you to be [1][1].
You keep stating compvig is so easy to keep track of but then refuse to let me have it...
It just all seems so inconsistent Foolishness... I think I have to agree with citi.zen, you're done. I just don't know anymore. You brought up points against citizen. I'm just trying to consider everything here. You make more sense to be mafia than citizen, but after pouring out reason after reason why I'm innocent I'm pretty much demoralized over here. I'm still keeping my vote on you. I still don't see what the second number has to do with this. Given that L and BM both claimed to pick 1,1 ahead of time, I think it makes sense to pick 1,5, since it will shoot you ahead if multiple people took 1,1. I said compvig was easy to keep track of after the roles went out, not before. I only half expected it to get it since BM said he didn't want Inventor. I'm just trying to figure everything out. One of you is mafia, and based on just today's posts, citizen looks much more guilty than you.
Nice try, but 1/1 makes perfect sense for one of the reds: it's a portfolio approach, where some people will be more aggressive and others less so. You don't care which as long as in the end you get SOME high picks. What does not make sense if for me and Zona to pick 12 as the first number. You both know this.
Look, I can't blame you for trying Foolishness. You might as well. But I honestly don't see how this desperate flopping can help. A+ for effort though.
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On May 11 2010 10:10 Korynne wrote:
You make a huge post on why you think I'm definitely mafia and then say, well... maybe citizen can be mafia. >_>
I mean sure mafia could pick 1,5 but that's pretty lame since it pushes you farther down the line (haha I have no idea why any of the rest of us picked non-1s for the first digit xD, maybe I would've gotten compvig if I picked 1,1 xD). All mafia picked [1] so it seems reasonable for you to be [1][1].
You keep stating compvig is so easy to keep track of but then refuse to let me have it...
It just all seems so inconsistent Foolishness... I think I have to agree with citi.zen, you're done.
I don't know why you are trying to persuade him you are not red. You know you aren't - it's all that matters.
As for him... he is red. It's obvious he's desperate. Look at his posts today vs. the rest of the game. Do YOU remember when I accused you Korynne? I bet you do, since you replied in detail. He supposedly didn't notice - so it couldn't have had anything to with keeping me alive. Right.
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What I want to know is how it happened that nobody picked tracker/alignment cop/DT in this game.
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On May 11 2010 10:35 Korynne wrote:
Actually no, if people pick [1][1], [1][1], [1][5] they all go to the back of the line. And the [1][5] is behind the [1][1]s. I feel like you keep bringing up points that are wrong in hopes that I don't know they are wrong...
Well this is all very frustrating... if citi.zen turns out mafia I will be very pissed. >_>
But like Foolishness first you accuse me like crazy, and then now it's like when you realize it doesn't work to convince citi.zen, you're going to attack me instead. And you're playing the like, frustrated townie role... =\
Rigt: 1/5 does not make sense. The reds knew this and all picked x/1s. Both Zona and Foolishness are pretty awesome at this game. In fact, were it not for Zona's mod-kill, they would have most likely won.
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On May 11 2010 10:40 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2010 10:30 citi.zen wrote:On May 11 2010 10:22 Foolishness wrote:On May 11 2010 10:10 Korynne wrote:
You make a huge post on why you think I'm definitely mafia and then say, well... maybe citizen can be mafia. >_>
I mean sure mafia could pick 1,5 but that's pretty lame since it pushes you farther down the line (haha I have no idea why any of the rest of us picked non-1s for the first digit xD, maybe I would've gotten compvig if I picked 1,1 xD). All mafia picked [1] so it seems reasonable for you to be [1][1].
You keep stating compvig is so easy to keep track of but then refuse to let me have it...
It just all seems so inconsistent Foolishness... I think I have to agree with citi.zen, you're done. I just don't know anymore. You brought up points against citizen. I'm just trying to consider everything here. You make more sense to be mafia than citizen, but after pouring out reason after reason why I'm innocent I'm pretty much demoralized over here. I'm still keeping my vote on you. I still don't see what the second number has to do with this. Given that L and BM both claimed to pick 1,1 ahead of time, I think it makes sense to pick 1,5, since it will shoot you ahead if multiple people took 1,1. I said compvig was easy to keep track of after the roles went out, not before. I only half expected it to get it since BM said he didn't want Inventor. I'm just trying to figure everything out. One of you is mafia, and based on just today's posts, citizen looks much more guilty than you. Nice try, but 1/1 makes perfect sense for one of the reds: it's a portfolio approach, where some people will be more aggressive and others less so. You don't care which as long as in the end you get SOME high picks. What does not make sense if for me and Zona to pick 12 as the first number. You both know this. Look, I can't blame you for trying Foolishness. You might as well. But I honestly don't see how this desperate flopping can help. A+ for effort though. I don't see how it's much different from picking 1,1. Either way you're going to be up high. And you and Zona both picking 12 is very unlikely, that's why I originally said you were not mafia. I'm leaving my vote on Korynne. Although imagining what your face is going to be like when I turn up innocent makes me smile.
If you turn up innocent I will smile too: Korynne will officially be my new favorite mafia player. Ever. MVP in perpetuity.
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On May 11 2010 10:43 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2010 10:35 Korynne wrote:
Actually no, if people pick [1][1], [1][1], [1][5] they all go to the back of the line. And the [1][5] is behind the [1][1]s. I feel like you keep bringing up points that are wrong in hopes that I don't know they are wrong...
Well this is all very frustrating... if citi.zen turns out mafia I will be very pissed. >_>
But like Foolishness first you accuse me like crazy, and then now it's like when you realize it doesn't work to convince citi.zen, you're going to attack me instead. And you're playing the like, frustrated townie role... =\ Actually you have it wrong, I asked Ace on the first or second page go look. In that scenario, the 1,5 goes first, then the 1,1's after. How would me bringing up points that are wrong possibly help me here? I guess I am in a desperate situation here, but I'm not one to fabricate information in the hopes of tricking someone. Yeah, I feel for you too. I'm only desperate because I feel like I've proven my innocence, but I clearly haven't, and I don't know what else I can say. I'm still saying you are mafia because the numbers thing doesn't make sense with citizen. But I'll give you that your attitude is much more towny than citizens.
Nice ambivalent statement to saw more doubt about me in Korynne's mind about me: I don't think he's red, but he's acting pretty red! Duh.
Look, it's obvious Foolishness would vote for either me or Korynne if one of us switched. He doesn't care which one, he just needs one of us to budge. I can tell you I will not. You should have killed me last night.
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On May 11 2010 12:07 Korynne wrote:
Hah, I knew it (Foolishness stealing CompVig from me). Yay town wins! =D
*dancedance*
Sorry I couldn't live up to your expectations citi.zen. =(
You did well and voted correctly in the end. Great job!
On May 11 2010 12:31 Ace wrote:
Well look at it like this:
Read over the Game on Day 1 and 2. Qatol was ASSIGNING roles - that's like blatant anti-town activity. You guys know nothing of his alignment, and then you willingly followed it? Nevermind that it's possible 3 people are going to be picking ahead of you. Scum also had the chance to say they know nothing of you or Qatol's alignment and you're buddying up to put a powerful role in someone's hands. Even if Qatol is scum and you were Mafia he'd have the perfect chance to call shots on who the CV hits as long as it isn't a scumbuddy. So many ways to just cause a big ruckus on Day 1 but Scum didn't pick up on it.
Then it happened AGAIN with the CC situation. Sidesprang didn't even claim which sucked for scum but oh well. There were like 5 people before SS on the list, all claimed Vanilla. That means they all are telling the truth and ALL of them missed investigation roles or they are lying. Either way both of these scenarios don't mean SS = scum. Even if they are true SS can just say he didn't trust Qatol with the role and took it. Doesn't mean he is scum.
Basically instead of trying to punish the town for tying picking order and role picks to alignment, the scum just sat back and let it ride. Town has no information roles and are making logical correct arguments that have tons of loopholes. If Zona would have pardoned SS(he didn't because SS didn't show up) or Darth then he also had a great argument to back him up. Likewise Foolishness could have told the town to shove it, and he'd kill whoever he wanted to after it was obvious he was CV. Town kept outting their own power roles (why?) so then he could have slammed you even further for trying to force him to RC when he didn't have to.
So many ways to destroy the town but they seemed to be thinking like Scum and not thinking like Town.
Yes, there were many confusing plays, which is partly why I acted so skizoid on Qatol all game. Zona correctly called him on his role assignment/number claim ideas (Zona could have had me vote his way at any time based on those early days - what he said made a lot more sense than Qatol's plans to me). At the same time, Qatol's number analysis was brilliant. The effect was a mix of respect and paranoia towards Qatol. To try to dig out more I purposely argued with him on anything for a while... but still couldn't make up my mind for good until Zona turned up red. Sorry Qatol!
On May 11 2010 12:42 Korynne wrote:
Hmmm... good points Ace.
I definitely agree that Zona's modkill lost mafia the game. I don't buy Foolishness' argument for himself based on the fact that he brought up the inactivity (I didn't even notice people's inactivity really, seems like mafia would notice it more).
Also like wtf no information roles. xD
My issue with that claim was that it was Qatol who brought it up. Foolishness merely tried to take credit for it.
On May 11 2010 12:45 Ace wrote:
Yea Foolishness I have a question...why didn't you vote for citizen? Soon as he voted for you and Korynne DIDN'T vote but posted you should have tried to sympathize. She said "this obviously makes me innocent because I could hammer and end the game now". If you took that point seriously and voted on citizen you might have had a shot.
He figured I had already changed my mind 100x times this game, so I'd be the easier person to sway to his cause. Too bad I was actually pretty sure about this one.
Believe it or not, Bill's slip-up and Ace's ban follow-up played a big role for me, as stated before. I just could not see a mafia with the 3rd draft pick bring up the roleblocker story - it's SO much safer to just stay quiet.
Anyway, GG everyone, I will take a break from mafia since the next few weeks will be crazy for me. It's been fun, thanks Ace.
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On May 11 2010 13:02 flamewheel91 wrote:Nooo don't leave citi.zen  Cough cough he's going to be playing SCII Beta... Also I'm watching your gameplay Qatol :3
It's not SC2, it's wrapping things up on a few projects at work + baby being born any day now, so I'd get mod killed or not have time anyway. No worries, I shall return.
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As I mentioned in the actual game, I spent a great deal of time deciding between who to kill at night. citizen hadn't claimed a role so I was paranoid he might be a veteran/bulletproof, so I decided against hitting him. Even if I had hit him, Qatol said he had a nice analysis of me, and I figure I'd have a better shot with citizen who wasn't about to post some big analysis of me.
Yup, I did not roleclaim precisely because I though ambiguity would keep the mafia guessing a bit longer.
In truth, I was an idiot and never submitted any picks to Ace. I didn't read the rules, instead assuming everyone got a role and I'd just get what's left from the role list.
On May 11 2010 13:47 Qatol wrote:
Either way, it was fun. I probably won't play again for a while (defending myself for that long was just exhausting and totally sapped my will to play - that post to citi.zen about being pissed off was 100% serious) but it will fun to see a few of the players from this game develop. There were a few players who played very well.
Interesting things happen when you put pressure on people: some make mistakes, others are very eager to take sides, etc. In general lively conversation is good, and I've never been afraid to stir things up a bit. Your plans always seemed like a mix of genius with something evil, so figured I'd start with you!
And Radfield - good job man. Up to that medic protection claim you did better than anyone.
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On May 11 2010 14:52 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2010 14:44 citi.zen wrote:As I mentioned in the actual game, I spent a great deal of time deciding between who to kill at night. citizen hadn't claimed a role so I was paranoid he might be a veteran/bulletproof, so I decided against hitting him. Even if I had hit him, Qatol said he had a nice analysis of me, and I figure I'd have a better shot with citizen who wasn't about to post some big analysis of me. Yup, I did not roleclaim precisely because I though ambiguity would keep the mafia guessing a bit longer. In truth, I was an idiot and never submitted any picks to Ace. I didn't read the rules, instead assuming everyone got a role and I'd just get what's left from the role list. On May 11 2010 13:47 Qatol wrote:
Either way, it was fun. I probably won't play again for a while (defending myself for that long was just exhausting and totally sapped my will to play - that post to citi.zen about being pissed off was 100% serious) but it will fun to see a few of the players from this game develop. There were a few players who played very well. Interesting things happen when you put pressure on people: some make mistakes, others are very eager to take sides, etc. In general lively conversation is good, and I've never been afraid to stir things up a bit. Your plans always seemed like a mix of genius with something evil, so figured I'd start with you! And Radfield - good job man. Up to that medic protection claim you did better than anyone. Yeah but there is a point where pretty much anyone will slip up at least a little. You were nitpicking pretty small stuff for literally days on end. I was playing as much pro-town as I possibly could and you were still finding little things to yell at me about. I agree that conversations are a good thing, but I didn't like your method for provoking it very much. I agree that there were totally loopholes in my plans that I could have been exploiting (like if I were mafia, the numbers theory could have been used to help the mafia instead of hurting them), but I put myself into the spotlight far too readily and I'd like to think I didn't really break down too much. After a while, you are just derailing the thread.
Agreed - when you are offering a lot it's impossible not to slip here and there. Then again, with good players, these are exactly the sort of things you need to watch out for. You, Ace, Incognito, must always seem pro-town, even if you are red - you chose the way of the Jedi. Someone like L or Caller use the dark side of the force and play a different style altogether - a dose of nonsense is par for the course.
On my side though, a big problem this time around was that I did not have enough time to carefully build my arguments / think the big picture through, so I can see how it was frustrating arguing with me. Sorry for that.
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On May 11 2010 16:09 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2010 15:02 citi.zen wrote:On May 11 2010 14:52 Qatol wrote:On May 11 2010 14:44 citi.zen wrote:As I mentioned in the actual game, I spent a great deal of time deciding between who to kill at night. citizen hadn't claimed a role so I was paranoid he might be a veteran/bulletproof, so I decided against hitting him. Even if I had hit him, Qatol said he had a nice analysis of me, and I figure I'd have a better shot with citizen who wasn't about to post some big analysis of me. Yup, I did not roleclaim precisely because I though ambiguity would keep the mafia guessing a bit longer. In truth, I was an idiot and never submitted any picks to Ace. I didn't read the rules, instead assuming everyone got a role and I'd just get what's left from the role list. On May 11 2010 13:47 Qatol wrote:
Either way, it was fun. I probably won't play again for a while (defending myself for that long was just exhausting and totally sapped my will to play - that post to citi.zen about being pissed off was 100% serious) but it will fun to see a few of the players from this game develop. There were a few players who played very well. Interesting things happen when you put pressure on people: some make mistakes, others are very eager to take sides, etc. In general lively conversation is good, and I've never been afraid to stir things up a bit. Your plans always seemed like a mix of genius with something evil, so figured I'd start with you! And Radfield - good job man. Up to that medic protection claim you did better than anyone. Yeah but there is a point where pretty much anyone will slip up at least a little. You were nitpicking pretty small stuff for literally days on end. I was playing as much pro-town as I possibly could and you were still finding little things to yell at me about. I agree that conversations are a good thing, but I didn't like your method for provoking it very much. I agree that there were totally loopholes in my plans that I could have been exploiting (like if I were mafia, the numbers theory could have been used to help the mafia instead of hurting them), but I put myself into the spotlight far too readily and I'd like to think I didn't really break down too much. After a while, you are just derailing the thread. Agreed - when you are offering a lot it's impossible not to slip here and there. Then again, with good players, these are exactly the sort of things you need to watch out for. You, Ace, Incognito, must always seem pro-town, even if you are red - you chose the way of the Jedi. Someone like L or Caller use the dark side of the force and play a different style altogether - a dose of nonsense is par for the course. On my side though, a big problem this time around was that I did not have enough time to carefully build my arguments / think the big picture through, so I can see how it was frustrating arguing with me. Sorry for that. Oh speaking of which, what style exactly did you think was Qatol-like? You kept accusing me of not acting like myself. (Btw, that is the hardest accusation in the WORLD to refute. How do you prove that you are playing like yourself?)
I just meant that I did not expect you to make what I thought were a good deal of mistakes. Starting with openly telling people what roles to choose. Perhaps these were not mistakes in your view, but to me they were not exactly pro-town moves either. Ace, L and others seem to agree. The invention conversations were another issue. It just seemed like you were trying to control the flow of the game but doing so in a way which could be consistent with what the mafia wanted. So the "style" comment was mostly about consistency and what I thought were mistakes.
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On May 11 2010 20:24 Ace wrote:
I'll host this setup after all other games are concluded. Also next time I will give Mafia 2KP. ~1 week was around the time I wanted this game to last and with 18 players + modkills on 1 KP it happened. So next time I'll give scum 2KP.
Any other comments and suggestions about this setup are welcome.
So far Qatol advocates Mad Hatters which means Meth Man has to be taken out.
Inventor is right now looking like it will be scrapped.
Don't ask for Bus Drivers because I won't put those in ^_^
Adding a traitor might be good fun.
I usually like hatters better than the meth-man, but in this set-up I am bit concerned that if the mafia got that role + have 2KP + some other KP role, the combination would be extremely imbalanced. Maybe the hatter could have a single bomb - but that is awful close to the vengeful player.
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