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We should lynch sidersprang, as discussed. I'd like to keep Qatol around. Hitting Hobbes is risky if he has a good role and is pro-town. Leaving us with Korynne, Falcynn and ~Opz~ to use the compulsive vigilante hit on. I will vote to compulsive vig hit Korynne out of that group. And no, I still don't like using he day vig. No reason to speed up the killing on poor information. Let's wait for the lynch flop and save the day vig hit for a time we have more info. | ||
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On May 05 2010 01:01 Radfield wrote: Wow Opz, I thought I was being clear in my posts, but obviously not. Did you skim read? Also, yes I try hard. I'm not sure why people sign-up if they're going to half-ass it. You keep stating things as if I haven't given a clear reason for each of the things I put forward. I explained why I left Korynne off the list, I specifically said we should NOT use our CV hit on Qatol, I made a good case for Sidesprang which you casually brushed aside because..... well, no reason. Don't get all defensive about me putting your name out there, try to see why I put it out there. If Sidesprang flops green SOMEONE IS LYING. Surely you agree that we should try to figure out who? The issue JeeJee brought up should be addressed: what if we lynch sidersprang and he turns out pro-town and copycat? Then we have... no leads and a dead medic. Everyone else could be telling the truth, no? | ||
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On May 05 2010 01:42 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: If someone was stupid enough to grab the copycat while being town-aligned, completely ignoring the town plan they'll probably be no help as whatever role they pick up. Therefore, im down with lynching sidesprang So you are saying you didn't take it either. Cool, more info. | ||
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On May 05 2010 01:30 Radfield wrote: If he did that then it was awfully anti-town. Qatol stated he was going for the copy-cat, why would another town player swipe it right before him instead of grabbing another useful role? It doesn't make any sense. But yeah, if he flops town aligned copy-cat that sucks, but he deserves it for screwing over the town plan. I don't care if "deserves it". Every single game there are bad town-aligned players who screw their team over, and it's too many of them to lynch the lot of them. That's just a sad fact. What matters is what are our best options going forward. I like your reasoning a lot, which is why I voted for him. But can we do better? | ||
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@Zona: good points on the role claims. | ||
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On May 05 2010 05:33 Bill Murray wrote: @citi.zen: I wanted to set up a PM network giving 1 person the ability to PM everyone, and we could coordinate through triangulation Not guaranteed to help, and likely easy to infiltrate. How do you know you aren't giving it to the wrong person, who can then try to get roleclaims from other players in PMs? Or, if nobody trusts them, how can they be effective? How can this person be effective if they don't have access to DTs? Who will protect them, when you need protection too. Look, I'm all for town circles, but they are not THAT strong either. There may be better inventions I have not thought of, I just don't this one is it. | ||
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On May 05 2010 05:41 Korynne wrote: Okay seriously OpZ you need to read, or be more clear. A weak doctor died, which means that he could've tried to protect a mafia and got killed. Seeing as how we're all like PROTECT BM AND FOOLISHNESS, d3 could've died protecting one of them. I'm not implying BM or Foolishness should've died, I'm saying d3 could've died trying to protect one of them if they are mafia. Granted, SK probably killed someone and mafia killed someone but then again one of their kills could've been blocked so who knows... Also citi.zen, why do you vote for killing me out of me OpZ and Falcynn, I have no opposition to you killing me for information (finding out that BM/Foolishness is mafia/compvig) but you didn't state a reasoning. I only have a very weak preference for you. Perhaps we can compvig hit sidersprang and not lynch? Not sure, but I don't want to take too many random shots before the dt(s) if bill agrees to make more kits) have time to perform checks. Before then it's more likely we will kill townies and help the mafia. | ||
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On May 05 2010 05:46 Zona wrote: The copycat possibly getting weak doctor is important - it's not something that doesn't matter. If we go with the prevailing assumption that the copy cat is mafia, the mafia now have a weak doctor. But a weak doctor for the mafia is as good as any other (non-paranoid) doctor for the mafia since they already know who not to target! In fact, it seems like it would be pretty damn useful for the mafia to have a doctor as the doctor can protect against night kills against mafia members - kills from the compulsive vig, the joat's shot, and the serial killer as well. Now of course if the compulsive vig is mafia, then it's probably not as big of a deal, since the vig won't shoot his or her own team anyways. But what if the compulsive vig is town? Actually, I don't like where this leads... If we have a town compulsive vig and the town votes on who the vig should shoot (making the target public) then it becomes simple for the mafia copy cat weak doctor to prevent the hit. And better yet (for the mafia), in this situation the compulsive vig gets put in a bad light after this happens because people might suspect the vig didn't follow the town's will when the town's target didn't die. Hold on a second, how does the weak doctor work? Do they die if protected person is hit? This is all wrong then? | ||
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For tonight, I still like alignment kits as our invention - the chance of hitting a red by shooting into the crowd are now even lower. Alternatively - what do we think of making some meth-bomb-like item which would not kill all visitors, only the shooter? If enough townies have those the reds eventually kill themselves. I need to review people's posts relative to Sidersprang. | ||
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On May 05 2010 19:18 Bill Murray wrote: scum will probably kill me tonight sadly foolishness and the mafia will stack which will overpower our 1 (at most) remaining medic if i do not die tonight, foolishness is probably not mafia, it's that simple (or you could believe we're both mafia, i guess, which would be dumb of you) anyways, on the off-chance that foolishness is town-aligned, our medic should protect me. This is silly, I don't see any scenario in which Foolishness would hit you tonight. And if he doesn't it proves nothing about his alignment. | ||
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On May 05 2010 23:32 johnnyspazz wrote: if you guys feel like i'm the best target for compvig, then i'll just take one for the town. i know i haven't really been doing much for the town, sorry. maybe someone should go check the list of people who didn't vote for sidesprang for the next lynch target. Bill Murray JeeJee DarthThienAn Scamp citi.zen You are pretty awesome at this. Oh wait: On May 04 2010 23:08 citi.zen wrote: Yup, at the end of the day some information is better than no information, so lynching him helps more than some other shot in the dark. Too early to have very strong red candidates anyway. Let's do it. ##Vote Sidesprang ## | ||
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On May 06 2010 03:06 JeeJee wrote: you are correct, i probably know hobbes' role now, of course that's still pending whether others have lied but the way the events have unfolded so far, the claims seem legit. i think i probably understand hobbes' strategy now and it kind of makes sense.. we shall see. atm i am leaning towards hobbes being townie so that's where we stand on that issue. what's the plan with inventions this night? i'm still leaning towards alignment kits. maybe you can get creative and get a gun with special bullets .. if you hit a mafia, they die, if you hit a townie, nothing happens. its like an alignment kit with bullets, whooo =) I love the invention suggestion. How can this harm the town? Swift justice + lasting info. Call it... the silver bullet gun. DT kit v. 2.0. | ||
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On May 06 2010 04:15 Qatol wrote: Easy. Do you trust Bill not to make a regular gun but have the same name? How about he makes another one after that? And then the mafia all fire their guns the same night. This is your strangest comment yet Qatol. If you do not trust Bill this entire discussion is worthless. It makes no difference if you ask him to make invention X or Y - if he works for the mafia he will make what he wants or change the properties of the invention how he wants. I don't get it. | ||
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On May 06 2010 04:53 Qatol wrote: Actually, it makes perfect sense. The thing is, if Bill is working for the mafia, he will want to give out as many inventions as he possibly can before we catch him. To do that, he has to give out inventions which seem to be helping the town when they will actually help the mafia in the long run. If we are asking him to give out guns, what is to stop him from giving out his "guns" to mafia members and either claim that they went to people who just died or just say they went to the mafia members? Then the mafia can just go on a shooting spree in a few nights and close out the game. This is silly - ANYTHING can be used to kill someone - the key is in the description, not the name. Us giving Bill ideas does not help or stop him from changing the attributes we cannot observe. Am I the only one who does not get this or is this plainly obvious? | ||
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On May 06 2010 07:50 Qatol wrote: Grenade is a horrible idea. We do not want anything that can kill townies. We do not want anything bomb-related because of the cell phone. The gun I can accept. Not if the name says it, right? Anyway, it should flat out kill, regardless of vet/protection status, and only kill reds. Can we agree this is better than a kit? | ||
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On May 06 2010 08:22 Qatol wrote: Sorry, I totally misinterpreted. A weapon that can kill SK or mafia is fine by me. I'm okay with Bill wanting to make it detonate if that player attacks him as well. But I don't see why it can't be a gun with bulletproof piercing rounds. I guess I'm just arguing semantics though. Cool. So semantics aside, we agree we have something better than the dt kit. Bill please take note. | ||
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