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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 02 2010 02:11 GMT
#201
Oh wow, good thing I checked when I did. Now I need to catch up on the discussion.

Was the time of the game start listed? If not, I was thinking I would get a PM about drafting. Well, I was thinking that whether or not there was an official time, but anyway...

I already get the feeling that Radfield is mafia. Now to go make my decision...
Cheese is good for you!
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 02 2010 02:29 GMT
#202
Okay I just read through the thread with 30 minutes to spare.

My numbers were [10] [11]

I'm totally down with taking Copy Cat.
Cheese is good for you!
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
May 02 2010 02:46 GMT
#203
On May 02 2010 11:29 Scamp wrote:
Okay I just read through the thread with 30 minutes to spare.

My numbers were [10] [11]

I'm totally down with taking Copy Cat.

No I'm taking it. We don't want the mafia to be able to use one of their later members on the role. Take one of the utility roles I mentioned earlier.
Uff Da
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
May 02 2010 02:47 GMT
#204
On May 02 2010 11:46 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2010 11:29 Scamp wrote:
Okay I just read through the thread with 30 minutes to spare.

My numbers were [10] [11]

I'm totally down with taking Copy Cat.

No I'm taking it. We don't want the mafia to be able to use one of their later members on the role. Take one of the utility roles I mentioned earlier.

Actually, thinking about it, you shouldn't be taking anything except medic. Not with your track record. You have had 2 prots every time you've had the role. No way should you be taking something like copy cat.
Uff Da
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 02 2010 02:55 GMT
#205
Bleh. I feel like I'm being typecast here.
Cheese is good for you!
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
May 02 2010 02:59 GMT
#206
On May 02 2010 11:55 Scamp wrote:
Bleh. I feel like I'm being typecast here.

Well you don't have to. I just remember how strong you were at it in previous games. Just try to pick something useful. I'm not going to tell you what to do.
Uff Da
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 02 2010 03:01 GMT
#207
Dead line reached. Role PMs going out now.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
May 02 2010 03:09 GMT
#208
*crossing fingers*
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 02 2010 03:19 GMT
#209
All Role PMs have been sent out. If you didn't get one PM me. Any questions, also PM me.

Day 1 starts now and ends tomorrow night at 11:00 PM ET/12:00 KST.

With 18 Alive it is 10 to lynch.

Voting starts now.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
May 02 2010 03:22 GMT
#210
Let us begin!
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
May 02 2010 03:24 GMT
#211
Okay first big piece of news. Someone took copycat before me. This means that someone else is valuing the role a lot.
Uff Da
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
May 02 2010 03:28 GMT
#212
Another thing... looks like we lost L, so we're already down a player...
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
May 02 2010 03:33 GMT
#213
Preliminary impressions:

Zona is town aligned; Quatol seems town aligned but less sure of it (scary if he isn't).

Foolishness is extremely shady - his first post is this ad-hominem attack:

On May 02 2010 03:04 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2010 14:09 Qatol wrote:
Okay, fun time. I've been doing some thinking about the game setup and have some thoughts for the town going forward:


The first major item of note is this:
+ Show Spoiler [Vanilla Scum] +


You are Vanilla Scum!

The ability to kill 1 player per night belongs to you. One of you must PM me a kill for the night even though all 4 of you participate in the kill.

Remember you can coordinate your # picks during the draft phase. The Mafia team this round consists of: Jack, Jill, this bottle and my ecstasy pills!

You win when you outnumber the town, or there is no way for them to stop you from outnumbering them.

This tells us 2 things:
1. The mafia only have 1 KP in a game with 19 players. They also only have 4 members. Why is this important? With all the rolecheck abilities out there, the mafia are unlikely to stand much of a chance unless they get some very powerful roles.

2. The mafia team knew who each other were during the draft phase and were allowed to communicate with each other during said phase. Assuming they talked to each other at all, they did not overlap with each other.

These 2 points lead us to a pretty simple conclusion:
The mafia made sure they have very low numbers and their numbers were probably consecutive in order to guarantee that they would wind up with powerful role choices. I wouldn't be surprised if they did something like:
[3] [1]
[4] [1]
[5] [1]
[6] [1]
in order to avoid overlapping with the town as much as possible while still keeping near the top. I think it is unlikely that they bid a [1] [1] or even a [2] [1] just because they were worried the town would also bid those numbers. Bill Murray already claimed he bid [1] [1]. I wouldn't be surprised if this was actually the case. I think L probably bid [2] [1] hoping that people would stack on 1. The people I'm looking at right now are these people in particular:
3. Foolishness
4. Korynne
5. Falcynn
I strongly believe that 1 or 2 of them are mafia. They are also likely to go for the roles the mafia will rely upon for the game. Remember that aside from the Copy Cat (which would be a risky role for the mafia to take), if the mafia want a role that gives them additional KP, they are likely to take it with these picks. I'm specifically thinking that the mafia here will be targeting Jack of All Trades, Day Vigilante, and Vengeful Player. Keep these 3 players in mind for later.


I also propose that people announce something: whether or not you moved down and what you bid. Why would you do that and why would it matter? Because it gives us an idea of what range people bid in. Remember, we want to piece together who bid what because the mafia did not stack numbers on top of each other. I realize that the mafia can lie about this, but it really doesn't matter. If they lie about their bidding numbers, then the town has an opportunity to catch them in a lie based on who else bid that number. If someone moved down, they are placed in a group with the people around them. When you find a mafia in that group, it increases the level of trust with the people around you.

With this in mind, I would like to announce that I moved down. I bid [6] [1] thinking that the mafia might try for consecutive numbers starting between 2 and 4. That would mean that they would end between 6 and 8. I'm almost positive I overlapped with one of the mafia. This means that we should also be looking very hard at:
10. sidesprang
12. JeeJee

I confirmed with Ace that this situation:
A - [3] [1]
B - [3] [1]
C - [5] [1]
D - [5] [2]
will result in:
A and B are ordered randomly, C, D. The second tie does not move you down a second time.
This means that anyone who moved down yet is still above me bid at least a 6. Everyone below me moved down AND bid at most a 6. If you bid between 3 and 5 and moved down, it is especially important that you speak up.


Why am I coming forward with this information right now and not after roles are selected? Because I want the town to deny the mafia the most powerful roles or at the very least control their use. We can't stop the mafia from taking roles to increase their KP, but we can still control who gets what role and try to keep the mafia away from the 3 most important ones: Inventor, Compulsive Vigilante, and Role Blocker. Why are these roles especially important? The first 2 provide the mafia with kill power EVERY NIGHT. The third one allows the mafia flexibility to get around this plan. Therefore, I want Bill Murray to take Inventor and L's replacement to take Compulsive Vigilante. Foolishness will take Roleblocker.

Bill Murray, you will be making meth bombs (if Ace allows it) or at least bulletproof vests for people every night. The day post will confirm that you followed these directions. This way you cannot give the mafia additional kill power.

L's replacement, the town will be directing your shots. We will vote during the day on your hit.

Foolishness, you will not be roleblocking anyone. If anyone claims to be roleblocked, we will immediately lynch you. Roleblocks are much stronger for the mafia than they are for the town. I would just as soon nobody get them.


tl;dr:
Look hard at these 5:
3. Foolishness
4. Korynne
5. Falcynn
10. sidesprang
12. JeeJee

Claim your numbers. Revealing this information does not hurt the town but does hurt the mafia.

Bill Murray, L's replacement, Foolishness: you have additional instructions. Read them.

Did anyone else interpret this post as "waaa I'm upset that I was outsmarted by all these people and ended up low on the draft list waaa"?

I indeed picked 1,1, meaning L picked 1,1 assuming BM isn't lying.

...followed a bit later by another post that does not sit well with me:

On May 02 2010 04:55 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2010 04:25 Qatol wrote:
Lots of stuff to comment about:
On May 02 2010 03:04 Foolishness wrote:
Did anyone else interpret this post as "waaa I'm upset that I was outsmarted by all these people and ended up low on the draft list waaa"?

Thanks for the vote of confidence. You had better pick roleblocker.
On May 02 2010 03:50 DarthThienAn wrote:
On another note, are we following Qatol's plan for the first 3?

Is there a good argument why we shouldn't? I haven't seen one so far.

Let me just say, that I highly doubt you would have posted all this stuff if you had wound up 1-5 on the list. Why do you fail to incriminate yourself in your analysis of what the town should do?

Show nested quote +
On May 01 2010 14:09 Qatol wrote:

tl;dr:
Look hard at these 5:
3. Foolishness
4. Korynne
5. Falcynn
10. sidesprang
12. JeeJee

And it's funny that you're number 11 on the list. According to your analysis, you are just as suspicious as anyone on that list, yet you fail to say so.

And can you remind me why you picked 10-12 to "look hard at"? It seems arbitrary and a way to deflect attention off yourself (I may have missed it in your post if you already said so). And why do you neglect BM and L in this list? As far as we know, they both picked 1,1 with me. My guess is you're trying to butter them up so they listen to your plan. We all know how sensitive BM and L are; if you incriminated them they probably wouldn't listen to you at all (and it's kinda funny how BM doesn't want to listen to you anyways).

Korynne also seems off to me. He is clearly thinking about the roles a lot, yet makes repeated mistakes in his proposed "pro-town" plans. This could be a new player thing, or someone who is trying to seem active but not paying enough attention to "the other side's view".

Together with their number picks (which Foolishness describes as having "outsmarted" others - which implies strategy, not luck) I view them as very fishy.

These are first impressions. I am not going to pretend they are strong and will not argue with anyone just yet - don't bother. Onwards and upwards.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 02 2010 03:36 GMT
#214
On May 02 2010 07:48 Radfield wrote:
This is a great discussion everyone, but I feel like we need to narrow down our focus for now. I think that by far the most important thing we need to be able to do is keep tabs on the compulsive vig and the inventor. Both of these roles double the mafia KP. We need to ensure that regardless of whether they fall into mafia or town hands, we know who has them, and we control them. For this reason I think the first two people NEED to take them. First inventor, then Compulsive Vig(or vice versa, but it was already mentioned this way). That means BM and L's replacement, or foolishness if L is not replaced.

What we cannot have happen is that the mafia land either of these roles, and we don't know who they are. Bill Murray, regardless if you ever even use the inventor role, you need to take it simply to keep it out of mafia hands. To do otherwise would be very anti-town. We will likely have two docs, so they can protect you from a mafia hit while you invent pro-town equipment and dole it out. But even if you get killed, you STILL keep the inventor role out of mafia hands, which is a huge boost for the town. If anyone has any argument against this please speak up.

Just to be clear, to have either of those high KP roles in unknown mafia hands would be very painful for the town.


If I told you I took that that would be benefiting the mafia.
I either took that or I took Day Vig. You make up your mind.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 02 2010 03:38 GMT
#215
On May 02 2010 12:24 Qatol wrote:
Okay first big piece of news. Someone took copycat before me. This means that someone else is valuing the role a lot.


no, that means someone else expects someone with a crucial role will be killed, or that you are lying. I am a proponent of the faction of lynching you to see if someone picking before you really took thsi role, but I feel like you are town aligned, so I won't vote it myself. I'm going to be looking at the list, and if you are mafia, you are very weak.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 02 2010 03:39 GMT
#216
Ah, you're at the end of the list. I have no fucking idea why you would pick that... If I was #16 I would pick something like Medic that could really help the town.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
May 02 2010 03:47 GMT
#217
On May 02 2010 12:38 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2010 12:24 Qatol wrote:
Okay first big piece of news. Someone took copycat before me. This means that someone else is valuing the role a lot.


no, that means someone else expects someone with a crucial role will be killed, or that you are lying. I am a proponent of the faction of lynching you to see if someone picking before you really took thsi role, but I feel like you are town aligned, so I won't vote it myself. I'm going to be looking at the list, and if you are mafia, you are very weak.

And that person doesn't want the role out in the open. That person is also in the first 9 players, assuming that L is out of the game. My guess? That person is also mafia. If you really want to confirm that I don't have it, have a role cop check me out.
Uff Da
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
May 02 2010 03:49 GMT
#218
On May 02 2010 12:39 Bill Murray wrote:
Ah, you're at the end of the list. I have no fucking idea why you would pick that... If I was #16 I would pick something like Medic that could really help the town.

Who are you talking to with this? Radfield (who is #16) didn't talk about his role selection and I was #11 with L not making a pick (I think?) so really #10.
Uff Da
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 02 2010 03:50 GMT
#219
FUUUUUUU NOBODY TOLD ME ABOUT THIS ROLE SELECTION
FUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
[NyC]HoBbes
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States803 Posts
May 02 2010 03:57 GMT
#220
I have a fun, fun role. Looking forward to how this plays out
Where'er you walk cool gales shall fan the glade
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