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Just making sure, I don't need to know anything about the Life Aquatic right? xD | ||
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Is that a good thing though? I mean inactives are usually townies who are disappointed because they didn't get a role. Even if the inactive was a mafia, it doesn't help us at all find the other mafia because the first guy left no clues. | ||
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Hypothetically speaking everyone should want to live, so everyone will post. Lynching an inactive forces mafia to speak, but if everyone is pretty active around the end of the day I don't think it's fair to just pick the last person who spoke up. We just happen to be on TL first when Bill Murray posted. | ||
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As in if you are a DT, you know it's one of two setups. If you are a medic, it's one of two setups. If you are mafia and you have a roleblocker, you also can only narrow it down to two setups. | ||
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#1 Detective + Medic, in which case the strategy would work very nicely #2 Townies... in which case we all sit around and wait to die because there's no DT? #3 There is a detective, but that can never be confirmed because the mafia can counterclaim detective. #4 There is a medic... in which case we're all sitting around again, but at least the mafia can't pretend to be detective easily (someone asks DT to rolecheck them, mafia wouldn't know if they are medic or townie). So in any case, I've never played a PM-allowed mafia game before, what exactly do the rest of us do while the detective is collecting his circle of townies? | ||
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Reason: He's brought up rather stupid things twice already, which is way more than anyone else. #1 LAL Policy Pretty impossible to verify obviously, not to mention if we catch someone lying we can easily deal with it (ie. someone is mafia, lies and says he is townie, lynch him, no brainer. someone is medic and lies and says he is townie to protect himself, obviously we shouldn't lynch him). Either way, this is such an arbitrary idea and plenty of people have poked plenty of holes in it. #2 Someone claiming DT and lynching a townie Well DUH if someone claims he rolechecked someone and claims that the rolecheck turns out mafia then CLEARLY the guy is lying and is either mafia or a COMPLETELY RETARDED townie If you are townie and you think someone is scum you don't claim them to be mafia through rolecheck. You provide good evidence to town that he is mafia and get him lynched that way. Completely dumb example. >.> Given that this is day 1, I don't think I will find someone else who is being as distracting to the town (this reminds me of BM assassin plan in the other mafia game where everyone just ends up talking about it for like 5 pages even though it's completely useless) so I am voting for Abenson unless something else turns out. | ||
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The night you were all lynching, my power went out. xD I finally get power back at 6am, jump on mafia, and it's like, shit, someone's put Abenson at L-1. AWW CRAP WHY DID YOU GUYS LYNCH HIM ALREADY. >.> Urgh... Seriously guys this isn't like a 30 people game, with only 5 required to lynch each vote counts quite significantly (I seem to have made this blunder, however I check mafia /very/ frequently and did not expect my power to go out. xD) With Radfield gone that's like a good portion of our activity gone. So everyone I know the first day might have been a bit of a short notice, but now that everyone has had 3 days we really should step it up. If mafia just hits our active townies, it doesn't matter if our blue roles (if we have any) stay hidden among the townies, we'll inactive ourselves to death soon enough. So on to my analysis (which shouldn't be too bad since there's only 7 of us now instead of like OMFG TWENTY PEOPLE TO ANALYZE in the other mafia xD, also the 5 pages instead of 70 helps too xD) d3_crescentia Seems pretty active First person to vote for Abenson Claims to have a good amount of free time in the next few days (so hoping for good things from you ^^) Clarifies that his vote on Abenson + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2010 07:05 d3_crescentia wrote: A little bit of column A, a little bit of column B. It's hard to get a good read on Abenson given past histories - he's played exactly the same way no matter what his alignment was in previous games, and it becomes increasingly difficult to figure that out as the game drags on longer because his posts still wouldn't contain anything to analyze. Unfaltered when Abenson counter accuses him of being mafia, remains firm with his conviction Conclusion: Not a lot to go by, but seems pretty solid, only thing to note is starting the Abenson lynch but it wasn't completely random and his actions do not seem strange or inconsistent. abenson Uh, dead. Accused me and d3 of being scum for being the first 2 to vote for him korynne Uh, I don't want to analyze myself, that doesn't seem to make sense, but I'll give you a summary. Chatted with Radfield in the beginning for a bit when noone else was active xD Basic questions/answers regarding blue roles etc. Second to vote for Abenson Friggin got power outaged -.- *rageragerage* Conclusion: Good news townies! I'm playing in both mafia games and I just got power outaged, clearly this is a sign I am the mafia Flash! Therefore since I am town-aligned we will win this! ^^ (Isn't that wonderful logic?) XeliN Asks d3 if his vote on abenson is serious Explains to Abenson why his example is silly, asks d3 to explain himself again (d3 had not responded at this point) Doesn't think we should really lynch Abenson since he claims Abenson isn't really detracting from any other conversation that is going on (but my point on this is that if there wasn't something to talk about, people would be forced to think of something to talk about. Radfield and I spoke about a couple things related to the game setup and basic strategies) Proposes that we lynch someone inactive or if everyone is active to lynch someone random 5th person to vote for Abenson (note: this vote is made approx. 8 hours ahead of end of day) + Show Spoiler + Looks like he is going to get the majority votes and it seems unlikely that people would be up for random lynching someone so to save some time so I'll vote: Abenson too. Completely goes back on his statements: + Show Spoiler + Johnny this is the beggining of the game, I agree with the reasons others listed, his LaL discussion was pushed way too much and pretty much substanceless and his defence was to accuse the two people immediately of being scum simply for voting for him, quite frankly he seems like the best person to go with. As you can read from above, he did not agree with LaL being pushed too much and wanted to lynch the most inactive person (I'm pretty sure there were plenty of candidates at this point) + Show Spoiler + I was going to vote straight after I saw Abenson immediately accuse cresentia and Korynne of being mafia, I found their voting rather abrupt but there is no way you can immediately jump to the conclusion they are scum because of that as there was reasoning behind it, I decided not to and then on seeing that my vote would be a decider thought I would cut to the chase, I would rather have voted an inactive or voted randomly, even though Abenson had presented some unuseful ideas and defended himself poorly but 4 people had voted him already. Bar someone accidently posting their PM confirming them as mafia it didn't seem likely that we would end up with anything other than No Lynch or Abenson being lynched and I am impatient. Contradicts himself yet again? (Oh, so if you were mafia, you would know that Abenson was innocent, so an innocent person who accuses two other people of being mafia is a pretty good lynch right?) **Seeing that your vote would be a decider should make you PAUSE and THINK and NOT PRESS THE TRIGGER so to speak!!! Now we're one townie down because you were too impatient... Have some faith in people, (other than me being power outaged) if you have a good reason to lynch someone else and it's valid, trust that people will listen and follow you over before 8 hours is up. Or at least try and then switch to Abenson at the last minute if you don't see it happening. Or at least discuss whether we should lynch someone else first, ex. guys I really don't think it's a good idea to lynch Abenson when we have all these inactives, however I don't want to risk having a no lynch at the end of the day, so can I have a "show of hands" to know if I should just vote for Abenson or can we work to lynch a better candidate.** To everyone else, please don't do this, it is rather frowned upon. Accuses JohnnySpazz of being suspicious after Johnny keeps questioning his logic Openly says that he does not want to start off the analysis (not even pulling the newb card here?) I would like to add that in addition to your note about being roleblocked, if you have been roleblocked, then clearly we are in setup 1 and if you were the detective, then OMG FIND THE MEDIC xD Conclusion: First couple posts seem pro-town then woah, everything went waaaay downhill from there. xD Accusing Johnny doesn't help your case, neither does the I'll let someone else start (or what, you're afraid that given free rein of how the day 2 conversation starts you would accidentally reveal yourself?) You sir, have a lot to explain. [NyC]Hobbes Tells Abenson that: "I'm currently personally trying to decide if your play suggests scum or is just misguided" 3rd person to vote for Abenson (in Hobbes' 2nd real post) and considers him "best-case an exceptionally useless townie" Conclusion: Not very active, slightly suspicious for just kind of cutting in, laying some suspicion on Abenson (his first real post was kind of like a prep for his second post which voted for Abenson) before hammering in the vote. Will be off my scummy list if he just posts more (his posts are not scummy in nature, just the fact that his only 2 posts are basically to consolidate the Abenson lynch) JohnnySpazz Comments on LaL. Radfield asks him about giving an example of when blue role would need to lie, gives a pretty normal answer Comments that the last 2 votes on Abenson are scummy, FoS'd the two people Points out XeliN's inconsistency Basically has the same arguments as I did regarding why Xelin looks scummy Conclusion: Seems pretty pro-town, but that's kind of based on the fact that Xelin is quite scummy looking. Magically pops up 5 min after Xelin puts in his vote to accuse the two of them being the most suspicious thing he's done so far. BrownBear Notes that hopefully inactivity won't be a problem Agrees with LaL (omgwtf xP), no reasoning provided (pretty sure other people by this point have already went LaL = wtf) + Show Spoiler + Hmmm... it's really difficult to say who is who on day 1. I mean, why is this Absenson bandwagon going, because we think Absenson is a liar or because we don't like his track record in games? I mean, I guess I understand what Hobbes is saying - Absenson has a history of going AWOL in Mafia games, which makes him useless as a townie, and given that we have nothing better to go on, I guess lynching the useless works. I still find it kinda silly, but whatever, I'll bite: VOTE: ABSENSON Sorry bro. Finds something kind of silly and then goes ahead and puts Abenson at L-1... Conclusion: Not very contributive... agrees with LaL and then goes ahead with Abenson. Needs to be more active. Radfield Aww he's dead. Not going to bother detail analysis, but clearly pretty pro town and very active. A sad loss to town. =( *moment of silence* RebirthofLegend Some fluffy post of sorts. Uhhh, so you don't post afterwards... hypocrite much? >.> Conclusion: Same as Hobbes, scummy for lack of posting, but not actually scummy post (wasn't involved in lynching Abenson in any way). Please be active. >.> | ||
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You might as well accuse me of being mafia as well then XeliN, seeing as how in my analysis I pretty much have the exact same arguments as JohnnySpazz. In fact, I know I would've been freaking out at you right after you voted (or actually I would've retracted my post at L-1 if I was't power outaged). Given that I came to the same conclusion as Johnny after reading your posts, I am inclined to believe that you are mafia moreso than Johnny, given the current circumstances. Uh, you wanted to lynch the most inactive players on day 1 (when people could have not noticed the game started yet, or went out, had other plans, etc etc.) and now on day 2, when everyone has had enough time to acknowledge that they know mafia is happening, you don't think inactivity can be emphasized?? We lost Radfield, one of the more active posters, if we don't put pressure on everyone to post we're done for. Inactivity is terribly for town! | ||
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But if I was around and able to make sure a stupid mistake like yesterday didn't happen again, then my vote is for XeliN right now. So for all intents of analysis, consider me as the first person to vote for XeliN today. However due to the accident last night, I will not be putting up an actual vote in case some impatient bandwagon develops again. Talk to you folks tomorrow evening, BE ACTIVE!! | ||
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Anyway. There does seem to be an abrupt change of conversation to the night action thing. Last thing XeliN mentions before being "cut off" is: On brownbear, to me there just simply seems too little info to go on, he has posted sparcely but done nothing overtly mafialike to me and I am far more concerned with others, RoL for one thing as he has had no input whatsoever so far this game. Whats your plan to get more info on Johnny or is it one your keeping close to the chest? I don't really know what to make of that... I mean d3 already voted for RoL so we know his opinion of that. I guess his Johnny plan won't really work very well now that XeliN exposed the intent... Uh d3, what are you doing... | ||
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Say we do catch the active mafia, and one of those 3 is the other mafia, then we have no way of making a decision. Likewise, if 2 of those 3 are mafia, then it's very hard for whoever's left alive by the end of the day to judge which of the 3 are mafia because they've posted so little. However if we lynch one of the inactives the chances of us catching the mafia is like 0~2/3 at best. Clearly the solution is for you people not to be inactive. Help your town out!! | ||
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*goes to actually read your post* | ||
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You realize 2 votes puts us at L-[# of mafia alive]. Notice how our options are: cop, medic, detective. All of these have a night action. Yet d3 says he has none. Whoops. If you were green, you would have just claimed "townie" and that would have been it. So you're either blue or red, but you have no night action? Uh, isn't cop and detective the same thing? -.- I'm confused about what you meant at all in that quote... | ||
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Her post? d3's a girl now? xD I'm more for the XeliN lynch, in terms of who I think is more scummy. I also feel bad lynching BrownBear in two games on the same night... xD I stated before I would prefer to lynch the more inactive suspect, since the active one would leave more clues. So BrownBear looks to be less active. However since my vote would lead to L-1, I am refraining from doing so in case mafia jumps the last vote. I would like to hear from Hobbes and RoL first before we proceed. | ||
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I mean seriously, it's in no one's interest to vote for themselves.\ Johnny, as I said before, consider my vote as the first one for XeliN. If you haven't noticed if we mislynch someone tonight tomorrow it's going to be 3T/2M. Forgive me if I want to be careful about not getting to that. Seeing as how impatient some of our town is, can you blame me for being careful here? I vote freely "in spirit," I just don't cast my official vote because I don't want us to end the day way early like last time and mislynch someone (I started work on Monday, so I won't be online 24/7 to babysit my vote). We have another day, and we haven't heard back from two out of seven people still alive. That's rather significant. Like I said, you can consider my vote for XeliN as his first vote. Which I have not modified yet. It's ridiculous of you to accuse me of being scum just for trying to be careful and making sure we don't have a mislynch. What now? If I vote for one of them you're going to accuse me of being scum because I'll be the 3rd or 4th person to vote for them? Seems like I can't win here with you (and I don't intend to, it's a pretty poor accusation). Would you have preferred I voted randomly for one of the two and hope that I hit mafia so the actual mafia won't hammer him? It only takes two misguided townies agreeing on another townie to lynch with mafia support. Now please, stop trying to rush people into voting before we hear back from everyone (RoL and Hobbes), unless it's late in the day (like 1~4 hours before deadline depending on votes and activity). Compared to XeliN and BrownBear I don't think you look scummy but please don't make things worse for yourself. Also RoL stated that we should be active, and then disappeared. You think we should lynch the hypocrite or the liar? (Either way I have no intention of doing either until hearing from them, and after hearing back from them I doubt I will be changing from XeliN/BB to one of them.) | ||
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Like I said, no reason to be PMing, please pose your question in the thread. If you have already done so then I'm sorry I didn't notice it, a reference to that will suffice. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Your long ass post is old and doesn't address anything beyond it. (not having the enviable ability to timetravel) ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Did you not read my long ass post analyzing everyone? This conversation has no reason to be in PM. Feel free to question me in the thread. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Why do you think I'm scummy, what about my posting, points I've made e.t.c makes you suspect I'm red? Never mind that I am suspicious of why you wanted to carry out this conversation in PM (when I clearly stated we should proceed to the thread instead). Here's your analysis. I don't see that I have that much explaining to do, the first vote of any game is pretty much a crapshoot and Abenson pretty much outlined that he wasn't not being very useful. I was against them initially rushing to vote for Abenson based almost entirely on his LaL posting but then he carried on being unuseful and providing no defence for himself other than accusing people of being scum. If you're playing a 30 people game sure let's just lynch someone random the first day. But we can only afford 2 consecutive mislynches before we're in peril 3T/2M on day 3. I don't think first day is something to be taken lightly from this perspective. I don't agree with voting someone off because they're not very useful in a 9 people game. (In fact even in the other mafia, I mostly propose we should look for better targets to vote for than Scara and nai.Protoss because even if they were mafia they're not going to contribute that much anyway) Also there is no such thing as "save some time," only robbing the town of valuable time they could use to analyze (more like, give them more time to possibly be online and read the thread and respond). By just hammering in the vote, you robbed us of the potential opinion of other people who could've been mafia. This is valuable information we could use later to find them. Therefore this is very scummy behaviour overall. Don't brush off rushing the first day's lynch, giving town less information is never good. So we're all done with your whole shenanigan, and now comes the big reveal. PM conversation with d3. Well let's see, you think d3 is mafia. Have you thought about this from a town's perspective?? If d3 is not mafia, you just ratted out his "big plan" to get Johnny, congratulations. Were you perhaps scared because Johnny is your partner and you were afraid d3 was going to catch him? You can accuse him of being scum for trying to gauge whether you are blue as much as he could have an argument for suspecting both you and Johnny for you insisting on asking about his plan. Of course, you were "just curious" and wanted to know the plan. Well he was "just curious" and wanted to know if you were blue. Glad to see you're finally understanding how important it is not to vote too quickly, but you still put out a vote for d3, and rather than doing something you can control (unvoting for d3) you ask other people to not vote for d3... So what? If someone votes for d3 and he turns out town you can say but see guys, I told you guys not to vote so soon! d3 clearly stated that he was just getting the vote out of the way. And he did follow up with analysis. So if you're going to re-vote for d3 later please provide new analysis on the relevance of that. So there you have it XeliN, my new post just for you. | ||
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I never said your reasons for voting d3 was a problem, I'm just saying that revealing some info, if d3 turns out to be not mafia, is bad for town. Hobbes, why do you post so little? Dx (nothing wrong with the content of your posts, just so little of em...) So now we need to hear from RoL... =\ | ||
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On April 29 2010 00:43 XeliN wrote: I PM quite abit in games that allow it, you put out you find me suspicious and I wanted to know why, but seeing you've written a big post im going to read it now. I don't have an issue with PMing. I don't have an issue with you wanting to know why I find you suspicious. I see no reason why you wouldn't do it in this thread however unless you're mafia and you want to use the information I give you to help you appear less scummy. | ||
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So I'm okay with lynching any of the 3. So I'll wait until the end of the day and vote. | ||
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Uh Bill, would it be possible to vote at 2am? >.< I have to go to bed, so since noone's really talking and RoL is nowhere to be found, I think I will just turn in for the night. So uh, at 3PM KST, Vote BrownBear | ||
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At 3pm KST Vote: Johnnyspazz Goodnight people~ | ||
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I've spoken with d3 and hobbes in PM before. Hobbes can confirm this. Thankfully d3 PM'd me before he died last night and told me XeliN turned out town (otherwise I would be totally on lynching his ass today for being so jumpy about everything, but he turned out town (no reason for d3 to lie to us) so I'm obviously not going to bother analyzing him). Out of me, BrownBear and RoL I think I'm the only one who knows that d3 is detective (from the sound of the way they're talking). And considering that d3 told me he was detective (again, hobbes can confirm this) it would be retarded for me to kill d3 if I had known he was detective. Let's see the scenarios: #1 Kill d3 D3 is dead, but he has a rolecheck: so either he finds a mafia and PMs the entire town, which case town lynches them today, or he finds a townie, in which case there's 2 confirmed townies. #2 Kill someone else D3 is not confirmed, we all run around in circles accusing each other. Let's see the scenario from BrownBear and RoL's perspective if they didn't know that d3 claimed to me and Hobbes that he's detective: #1 Kill someone else Let's see, I voted last yesterday, so that's probably suspicious enough to pull some bullshit on me. XeliN I've been going omg he's mafia for quite a while so he wouldn't be a good target. Hobbes is kind of inactive anyway so who cares he probably won't contribute much, and since he's inactive if mafia can somehow convince town that they're clean then hobbes looks bad because he'll be the lurker and suspected of mafia. #2 Kill d3 D3's the one posting analysis, XeliN voted for him first from some PM spaz so he probably can be blamed for being mafia after d3 dies. Plus the fact that XeliN is being suspected by me, so XeliN looks real suspicious once d3 is dead. RoL does some analysis on XeliN, I go omg see I knew it all along XeliN's acting so suspicious etc etc and then we get XeliN lynched, game over for us. So which one of them should we lynch? I say we lynch RoL, because he's less active. Tomorrow it'll be easier to prove that I'm innocent and BrownBear is guilty (obviously mafia is not going to be retarded and shoot one of us tonight) because BrownBear's posted a lot more than RoL. Not to mention RoL is inactive to the point of extinction (you could probably argue that Hobbes is mafia because he posts very little and stays under the radar but posting as little as RoL is pretty much like, screw this, I'm town, I don't feel like playing because I have a lot of work) so we can barely analyze him. He'll probably pull some fancy analysis up because I've posted so much (and I've accused XeliN like 50 times) and get me lynched just because there's not enough of him to analyze. We should lynch RoL today and BrownBear tomorrow, because BrownBear is more active so tomorrow you can make a more informed decision between me and BrownBear. | ||
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If I was mafia then I'd know XeliN was town and asking d3 to clear my most suspicious target (the person who I can most easily convince town is mafia) would be retarded. | ||
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What are you going to do now, suddenly decide after I post my response to why you are accusing me freak out and go omg omg she's green shit we just lost? You'd think you'd learn not to be so rash after Abenson and Johnny. Guess some people don't learn... I thought we said we're doing this at the end of the day. If you're not going to explain why you're voting for me care to at least take it off before BB and RoL get back and gg us?? | ||
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Mafia are just afraid you're going to pull a d3 and jump on the first person who votes for me or the other person who votes for me. The only reason I don't think you're mafia is because d3 confirmed you. What happened to yo everyone let's wait and see? You play completely scum for town and if we lose this game I'm blaming it on you. | ||
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The only reason he's waiting is probably because RoL hasn't gotten home yet (he said 11:30 est) which is 90min from now. It would be stupid for BrownBear to vote until his scum buddy got home to vote with him. | ||
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I don't like PMs, that's not my style as a townie. The more information town has the better it is. Mafia can talk all they want in PM. For you, hard to say. I'm trying to escalate this conflict between myself/Xelin as much as I can without getting myself lynched, so that there's more on an incentive for the Mafia to hit him, so that tomorrow it throws more suspicion back on me. Problem is that I jumped the gun a little too soon in prodding XeliN and so I actually might get lynched and thus cost us the game. Not too proud about that, but you live and you learn. Should I die - we have a 3-2 scenario (here's to hoping Hobbes survives!) and we have a 2/3 chance of catching some scum. In the meantime, we need to gauge Xelin's reactions as best as possible. My gut and my experience tells me that johnnyspazz, not Xelin, is more likely to be mafia based on what we've seen so far (Xelin is consistently irrational and dumb, whereas johnny has never been known for playing aggressively). Brownbear strikes me as suspicious also. Should I survive - if the Mafia is someone smart like RoL then he might not take the bait and hit you or Hobbes or someone else. I might decide to put my next check on someone that's currently flying low under the radar instead of you. That way the check will either return a red or we can use the process of elimination (3 confirmed town). Of course, if I'm Mafia, well - I'd probably end up arranging to hit you anyway, because the rest of the town is either AFK or extremely misguided. Though it sort of leaves me wondering why I'd be agreeing to my own lynch now. On that note, that'll be a critical bandwagon to watch, should you actually not vote for me yourself. I wouldn't blame you. If you're actually red then it's GG for town anyway, since I just blew it with an incredibly risky tactic and I'm telling you all of my plans - though if I end up dying tonight, I'm fairly certain it'll be either because of XeliN or you, or hey, maybe even BOTH of you! Then I guess you could just kill Hobbes and leave me alive with an incredibly scummy record and then BrownBear/you/XeliN could just get me lynched and it'd be game over. But - I trust you. So when this is all over and you've won, I'll be sure to congratulate you on a job well done. Cheers. =] ----------------------------------------- Original Message: And how do you propose I not get myself killed tonight? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I don't think you're a liar, otherwise I'd have to implement Abenson's LaL policy in the next game we play in. I am the Detective. [nyc]hobbes is green. Don't get yourself killed tonight. =] ----------------------------------------- Original Message: That's a moot point to ask. I am townie: Of course you can trust me. I am a blue role: Of course you can trust me. I am mafia: I lie, of course you can trust me. So yes, d3, you can trust me. Now do you have something useful to say? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: You have absolutely no reason to trust me, but I'm going to trust you. Can I trust you? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: What kind of message is that? xD Are you mafia and blue-hunting? Are you trying to start a townie circle? If you're starting a townie circle why should I trust you? If you wish to talk, please send a more well thought out message next time. Thank you. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I think you are green | ||
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I was the one who posted in the thread confirming you guys, BrownBear and RoL didn't believe you guys. So now I help out town and town comes back and bites me in the ass, fantastic. Do I have to PM you and Hobbes now going OMG IM TOWN ITS ME ITS ME to prove that I'm town? Sounds like you're the one that's dumb and illogical. Look guys, we have 10 pages of information and a bunch of PMs, let's just forget them because of one thing I asked people to do and oh hey, BrownBear is the odd one out! So if I had a little more time this morning and considered contacting Hobbes you would what? Decide immediately to lynch me and BrownBear because RoL is the only one who didn't respond? If you're so intent on lynching me at least do me the favor of doing a proper analysis on me so I don't die thinking I got killed by the most illogical townie ever (thank god I asked d3 to check you last night or we'd have lost by now because I'm so convinced you're mafia, oh but I guess that won't matter now that you're going to lynch me anyway). | ||
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Good job XeliN, single-handedly bringing down the town. I couldn't have done a better job if I was mafia. | ||
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Hobbes and XeliN, I am town!! I am your only chance to win this game, don't throw it away! There, I said it. Does that help my case? I'd hope not otherwise I certainly know how to win the next mafia game with you. Don't be modest now, nobody's trying to steal credit from you. BrownBear not posting is more and more confirmation that he's mafia and just waiting for RoL to hammer me. Remember if you're absolutely certain I am mafia and have to lynch me there's no reason you can't do it tomorrow AFTER you talk to Hobbes. Rushing is only beneficial for mafia. | ||
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You so sure about BrownBear? Where is he hiding now huh? Let's see his posts: 2:46, 2:17, 14:04, 3:56, 13:51, 22:28, 22:59. Hmm, maybe RoL is actually waiting for BrownBear by the looks of the the time of BrownBear's posts (his last two posts being the ones defending himself and not at the same time as his other posts, do I smell a lurker here?). This guy's made a total of 7 posts (I went through pages 4-14 quickly, might be off) and did nothing for town and he comes by and claims townie to you and you believe him immediately after suspecting him last night? Unbelievable. Yeah I posted an analysis of the situation rather than going "OMG IM TOWN I know I seem really sketchy but you just gotta believe me!" because I thought you would listen to reason. So I guess maybe it is my fault for forgetting you are totally illogical. You'd think I'd learn after seeing you do stupid things all game. I'm still arguing with you on here because I am hoping Hobbes will at least be reasonable and read this before RoL and BrownBear both get online. | ||
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(I think, the quote is a bit messed up at the top) | ||
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Once both of you vote for the same person it is a given that we must vote with you. And the only reason I'd be hammering instead of RoL or BrownBear would be because I'm online right now and they are not yet online. Did I miss anything XeliN? | ||
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Like I said, voting after Hobbes does. We're so close guys, we can do this!! | ||
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On May 01 2010 13:27 BrownBear wrote: The way I see it, I am town. This means that out of the 4 of you, 2 are scum, and there are three possible options: 1: (The most likely option IMO) XeliN and Korynne are telling the truth, and d3's rolechecks are legit. If this is the case, then RoL and Korynne are both mafia, in which case, we will win. Oh, you're so sure we will win? Because you're mafia and no one's pointing fingers at you? On May 01 2010 13:27 BrownBear wrote: 2: (The least likely option) XeliN is lying, and he and hobbes are in fact the mafia. Korynne jumped on the bandwagon of saying "yeah, those are d3's rolechecks" to appear pro-town, but is inadvertently screwing us over. I don't think Korynne would do that, so I'm going to say this is 99% not true. Yeah, that would be retarded of me. Next. On May 01 2010 13:27 BrownBear wrote: 3: (Not as likely as option 1, but something to think about) XeliN and Korynne, the two who came out and said "Hey guys look d3's rolechecks" are actually the mafia. XeliN says that he and hobbes are town, which means hobbes (who is actually town) doesn't suspect him, due to the "evidence". All Korynne has to do is survive one day of suspicion, and the mafia have won. Uh, d3 told us he checked XeliN night 2 and he turned out innocent. Hello? Were you reading? I'm pretty sure d3 would've informed Hobbes of that (he told me and XeliN at least, no reason he wouldn't have PM'd Hobbes). On May 01 2010 13:27 BrownBear wrote: This is something some people haven't noticed yet: It's 3 town to 2 mafia. Unless we lynch mafia today, the game is over, because the lynch and nightkill will make it 2 mafia to 1 town. Now, let's look at my 3 possible scenarios. I'm going to discount 2, because that happening would be crazy mad fucked-up, so that leaves 1 and 3. Thus, here are the options: Uh, yeah, we know that. Thanks for pointing out the obvious and not actually saying anything useful. On May 01 2010 13:27 BrownBear wrote: 1: Mafia are RoL and Korynne 3: Mafia are XeliN and Korynne At this point in the game, the mafia can afford to play a little more fast and loose with their teamwork. I think it's entirely possible that one would vote for the other, and if a bandwagon starts and they get lynched, then hey, the other mafia looks extremely pro-town, and he's got a pretty good chance of living. I'm not saying me voting for RoL is pro-town. Unlike you guys, I don't go by the OMG I'M TOWN IMMA PM YOU or OMG IMMA JUMP ON ROL SO I LOOK INNOCENT. I wouldn't read into my vote for RoL, it basically means nothing. I had to do it nomatter whether I'm mafia or town. Things that don't change when you are mafia or town are stupid are not necessary to analyze. Oh and I'm a she, so clearly I'm not the other mafia. xP On May 01 2010 13:27 BrownBear wrote: Now, the question is this. Which of the three to lynch? RoL: Pros: He seems to be the most scummy of the three, hobbes thinks he's scum (and I'm sure at this point hobbes is town), Korynne has a good point page 12 that he's inactive as shit Cons: He's only mafia in one of these scenarios, if we fuck up we are screwed. Right, one of these scenerios, as in the one Hobbes and XeliN /know/ is true and you're off the hook. None of these scenerios include you, thanks for doing a full analysis. On May 01 2010 13:27 BrownBear wrote: Korynne: Pros: She is mafia in both of the situations I think are most likely, she's provided some wonderful, insightful analysis on a bunch of townies that ended up getting them lynched. Cons: She's active, she's a good player. Uh, I just said Abenson seems to be distracting town. Do you not read? I've been advocating for XeliN's lynch all game. The only time it stopped is after I talked to d3 and he checked out XeliN to be town. How is that me getting people lynched? My power went out during Abenson's lynch and I would've definitely pulled my vote because we still had plenty of time to talk (even if we didn't switch targets) and gather more information, I've been on XeliN's case all of day 2 about that. Sure I could /fake/ a power outage on night 1 but seriously there are better things to do with my life. d3 made a townie circle and I trusted him, so when Hobbes PM'd me and said they were switching over to Johnny I agreed, because I thought XeliN, BrownBear and Johnny all looked suspicious and I told them I would be okay with lynching any of the 3. Given that Johnny is one of the three, and they were going to switch over to Johnny, I clearly would prefer a lynch of one of my suspects than for no lynch to happen because of me. On May 01 2010 13:27 BrownBear wrote: XeliN Pros: He could be a very very very sneaky mafia? If he is, he's honestly played the most undercover mafia I've ever seen in any game, both on and offline. Cons: Probably the least likely to be mafia out of the above 3, we can't afford to fuck this up. Uh, really? I thought he looked ridiculously scummy. The only reason he is not scummy is because me and Hobbes (presumably) both heard from d3, confirmed detective, that XeliN is not mafia. So I don't know how that would make him a sneaky mafia. If XeliN was mafia then he would be lynched today from d3's information last night... Like, no, XeliN is not mafia. Stop trying to put attention on anyone other than the two of us now. On May 01 2010 13:27 BrownBear wrote: So from my analysis, as tempting as it might be to just vote RebirthofLegend for being inactive, we don't have the luxury of just voting inactives off the island anymore: we need a mafia. And sadly, if my analysis is correct, in either case Korynne's gonna flip red. Sorry, bro (ladies is bros too  )Well of course in all your analysis I'm red, you never consider the fact that you could be mafia. I could do the same analysis in 2 lines: d3 confirmed Hobbes and XeliN to me, he turned out detective. There's 5 of us left, so BrownBear and RoL are mafia. Done. See, wasn't that simple? On May 01 2010 13:27 BrownBear wrote: Also, it was cute how you went from, in page 12, being like "Oh, BrownBear's active, we shouldn't lynch him first" to, on this page, being "HEY GUYS BROWNBEARS INACTIVE AS SHIT WHAT THE HELL MAN" the instant the FoS got pointed on you.  VOTE: KORYNNE Did you not understand what I said? BrownBear is active, as in BrownBear is active compared to RoL. BrownBear is inactive, as in if you were town you would vote for me immediately. Rather than waiting for RoL to hammer me because Hobbes hasn't voted yet. Let's see... you're all inactive and then suddenly you magically appear to PM XeliN and Hobbes. Then you're all inactive again... and then magically appear after we're done lynching RoL to accuse me, the only other person that could be mafia. Yeah, I'd say that has signs of lurking and inactivity compared to me. | ||
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So at least now I know who is town/scum. Rather than me and XeliN having to fight each other all tomorrow. xD | ||
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On May 01 2010 13:36 XeliN wrote: The game is now essentially over, voting majority for RoL has been reached, either mafia have just won or we have a guaranteed win so mafia just come out with it I really want to know ^^ Sorry, am I missing something here XeliN? We all know RoL is mafia, so we have another day. Either you or Hobbes is going to die tonight (unless BrownBear is going to be retardedx100 and kill me because he's still into his strange theories that you two are not confirmed xD) so tomorrow we are still at 50/50. So how is that a sure win for us... Not to mention you still seem suspicious of me? I can say we'll have a sure win tomorrow if you lynch BrownBear, but I don't see how you or Hobbes can say you've won if RoL (and he will obviously) turn up to be mafia. xD | ||
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On May 01 2010 13:57 BrownBear wrote: Well, if you read my post, you'd understand. I mean, I feel that we have the confirmed RoL mafia, thus we should lynch the active, persuasive one, rather than the one who's just chillin' mostly inactive. I'm sticking to my guns, for what it's worth. Swapping my vote now to try and convince you of my innocence would be pointless, and it's better to go down swinging for the fences. If RoL flips mafia, i'll vote Korynne tomorrow again. It'll basically be down to me and her trying to convince either you or Hobbes that the other is mafia, as I'm obviously not going to die tonight unless someone pulls a really really bonehead move. If RoL flips town, then we lose. I'll be awaiting the results. Uh, I proposed we lynch RoL because he is less active than you. So what, I get them to lynch you today and then what do I do tomorrow? Uh well... RoL...right... well he hasn't been around all game... uh... yeah. RoL: Oh look look, I am now magically active and here are 50 reasons why Korynne is mafia! Oh right, and I can't be mafia, I mean what kind of mafia is almost replaced out of a game for being inactive? We all know only vanilla townies do that! I'd rather take my chances with someone I can analyse and prove to Hobbes and XeliN is mafia than someone who makes no posts and leaves me with nothing to reason with. If I was mafia, leaving me would be BENEFICIAL to town. I talk a lot, you can analyze me and if you say anything I will respond. As town or mafia I see no reason for you not to leave me instead of RoL. Oh wait, but you're mafia, so you're scared I can prove to XeliN and Hobbes that you are mafia. You'd rather take your chances with someone that doesn't talk. Uh, if RoL flips mafia? I'm pretty sure that's a given. Right, I'll vote BrownBear tomorrow and you'll vote Korynne tomorrow. Anything else obvious you would like to point out to make yourself seem like you're contributing? Oh by the way, if RoL flips town, you win (or rather, we win), because you're mafia. xP But you know he won't flip town, so whatever. =P | ||
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(I still blame that on you and not me. =P) I mean, if I was mafia, and of course RoL would be my mafia buddy, then from his PM with you + whatever information I have it is clear that we should nightkill BrownBear, and then with you we can get d3 lynched ezpz. So given that I'm not retarded, I can't see how BrownBear can talk himself out of this situation. He seems to be the only one who believes he could've tried to convince people that XeliN and Hobbes were not 100% confirmed town after d3 flipped. | ||
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On May 01 2010 14:21 XeliN wrote: Oh damn I forgot one of us is going to die, Hobbes if you are the one left alive my choice would be Korynne, brownbear being capable of completely misunderstanding the situation seems logical, he also did something rlly idiotic in the other game but I can't remember what, and also it makes no sense that he would argue in that was as mafia (as it is just so plain far fetched in many ways). So yeah my choice would be Korynne and I would say that is by a large majority in my mind, but if you are left alive come to your own conclusion. For you now who is most likely? Oh great, being an idiot is apparently good now (even though we're lynching two idiots in the other gave and hoping they turn out mafia). This is my second mafia game people, same as BrownBear. I just refuse to play the idiot card to get by (even if it means I risk getting myself killed because I can make wrong analysis, this mostly applies to the other game since it's so big, here I feel like we can actually win and then you're flipping on me again XeliN). So he's idiotic enough to do something really retarded, but even if he was completely retarded he would not do that as a mafia? That makes a whole lot of sense. If he doesn't know how to play then he'd probably do something completely far-fetched and idiotic as mafia to try and get back in your favour. XeliN you might as well take back your 100% winning while you're at it. You still haven't presented any proof other than BrownBear going OMG I AM INNOCENT. I've presented plenty of proof why BrownBear is scum. You're making this way too easy to win for him. | ||
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On May 01 2010 14:31 BrownBear wrote: Popping back in, to say I resent the personal attacks, Korynne. I may be many things, but I am not retarded/an idiot. That actually kind of hurts. I don't mean to call you a retard. I am sorry if I offended you. What I mean is that XeliN's logic is flawed in that he thinks you might have just been idiotic and misunderstood something, but then says, oh wait, you can't be mafia because mafia would never do something stupid like that. So yeah, again, I'm sorry if you were hurt. =( That wasn't the intent or meaning behind my post. D= I just got carried away because we're so close and XeliN is still being silly and illogical in my mind. (I think XeliN should be the one bitching at me about being mean and calling him idiotic and illogical xD) | ||
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It was the first two days, and we didn't have much information... Please don't be hatin'. =[ | ||
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When/if everyone is around (me BrownBear and XeliN) can we vote (unanimously that is) to move day up? I'm saying that because I really don't want to be awake at 7am and all our posting time seems to be around ~13/14 KST anyway (since we were all up around that time last night and posted like 3 pages of stuff). | ||
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Vote: BrownBear Yeah BrownBear, we're both pretty much symbolically voting. xD | ||
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The main problem I had with this game was that I did not realize d3 would get his roleclaim before he died and was able to PM us. xD That screwed my gameplan over. >_> So I figured I would play the well look if I was mafia that'd be pretty retarded for me to ask d3 to check XeliN and then kill him. xD *sigh* Except XeliN refused to listen to my logic, silly him. xP I would've been /sooooo/ pissed if XeliN voted for me based on "instincts" though, because he would've just been "lucky" rather than deduced from something that I was mafia. =( | ||
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I mean, if I play pro-town and don't get checked by d3, there's no reason to kill me until you find the other mafia because I am actually trying to help (from my PoV, I am town, I am active, and I want to find the other mafia xP). | ||
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On May 03 2010 06:49 XeliN wrote: All in all this game was rlly fun, smaller ones can be better I think as it's quicker and more contained but the weird tense dynamic at the end, where one person knows exactly who the two mafia are (or ought to) and it's a tense struggle to lynch right//notget lynched.Was pretty enjoyable and unexpected. Thanks Bill for hosting ^^ Yeah I agree, this game felt a lot more manageable than the other one. Like I could actually write up an analysis on everyone whereas in the other game I just kinda went...awww fuck too many people/pages. @_@ Yeah thanks for hosting it Bill, even though I got really mad that d3 got his rolecheck back before I killed him. xP I guess it made the ending more dramatic and fun. =D | ||
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Also the fact that you were like gone for a long time after XeliN voted for me definitely helped hammer in the "see, he's just waiting for RoL so that they can both hammer me since Hobbes hasn't voted yet" | ||
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Oh well, that was definitely a mistake on my part, and that game was going pretty shitty anyway. xD | ||
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