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On April 13 2010 12:15 flamewheel91 wrote: Normal DTs, I'm too lazy and not enough of a bastard (at the moment) to do ambiguous cops. May change in the future, but probably unlikely. Affirmative. id like to play. | ||
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On April 14 2010 09:27 Foolishness wrote: On the other hand, it was kinda awesome in Incognito's game how I beat the other mafia team even though my mafia team had more members modkilled than the other. haha yeah, Gambinos weren't trying at all though | ||
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Alas, for Ace hath joined our gentle troupe. I do perpend we must don our gaming faces, to quicken the mind as though an amalgam of steele! edit5000: this post gives me a great idea for a mafia theme game: Medieval Mafia. thoughts!? | ||
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No lynch is bad for the town. It's like giving a time walk to the mafia (mtg reference nerd lol). This also means abstaining is bad! So please pay attention during votes as they operate a bit differently in this game than most TL mafias. | ||
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On April 18 2010 05:33 Bill Murray wrote: OK. Big FoS on Zona/BC for completely ignoring my valid strategy of making people pitted against each other. If we have player A vs player B we will be able to learn who the assassins are through having them strategically fight each other. If neither one is an assassin, we can have them roleclaim. I know that a lot of people on TL are against roleclaiming like this, but it is very beneficial to the town. Good points from this: 1) we learn who the assassins are 2) assassins have an equal chance of killing other assassins 3) we will be able to see people who are unable to kill each other This is the same approach that was attempted to be taken in Caller's last Mafiya. It was a very good strategy, and should have been followed. I feel that BC is probably town, but I'm getting serious scummy vibes from Zona. He's trying to derail the town, and is more than likely scum. No assassin worth his salt will roleclaim, since it runs contrary to his victory conditions. Unless the assassins are not playing to win, this plan won't work. | ||
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On April 18 2010 05:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ill bring this post up as well, why not start here. Town cannot afford 5-7 mislynches. Period. Your entire count depends on mafia KP being stopped by meds + vet hits. However any of those mis lynches could off a vet or med. With 5 mis lynches and no unstopped hits by red (assume no blue kp used or assassin KP) town loses. 25 of 38 players would be dead, leaving 13 alive, 8 of them red. Game ends. With Double lynches + vigi's + hatters + assassins. Game will end very quickly unless everyone hits reds accurately. If everything goes wrong for town we lose at end of day 3, as alot of KP will have been used by then. Yeah, we should plan for worst case scenarios - but we all know that the game will 95% not be over on day 3. This plays into the timing of double lynch. I think we should wait no longer than Day 4 to do it (meaning we vote for double lynch on Day 3). However this is all dependent on the events of the previous days. If we're in a hole, might want to start it on Day 3; or if we catch some reds via DT or they scumtell. Often i find these time limits for town are a useful thought experiment but rarely if ever do the games actually play out that way | ||
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I have never liked double lynching early. Most of the time there just isn't a good amount of information at this time and at least 1 townie gets lynched. One thing fw needs to clean up is whether we can have a double lynch but then only lynch 1 player. I myself doubt it.However, if we can back out, then double lynching is a little less risky since we won't be forced to do a lynch on bad info. | ||
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Roffles nbtnbt5 krndandaman Fishball Elemenope tree.hugger rebirth of legend (but he posted a lot pregame too) RaGe Jadefist TheLardyGooser Caller (wtf mate) love1another jpak Now this is a rather large list (let me know if i missed anybody). One reason could be that the game started on the weekend, so don't think this is some end all be all declaration of scum/inactivity. However, two things: 1. if we want to lynch an inactive Day 1 this is where we start 2. if you are new and not posting but are here, you should probably start! we don't bite. | ||
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On April 19 2010 02:17 TheLardyGooser wrote: I still think BMs plan makes the most sense if I understand it right. I feel like it would put the mafia at a much bigger disadvantage but I am still new at this? The problem is that we have guarantee that everyone will comply, especially the Assns. As i posted before, the plan basically runs contrary to the victory condition of an assassin, so it makes no sense for them to comply. If i was an assassin i'd spend the first couple nights rolechecking people anyway, since you have so few kills. | ||
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On April 19 2010 05:56 Ace wrote: We can just lynch Caller since it's been shown when he doesn't post he's scum. I dont know. do you really think he'd expect to get away with the same thing for 2 games in a row? | ||
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On April 19 2010 06:07 meeple wrote: I really can't beleive BM's plan is getting support... I suppose that BC is being true to word and staying behind the scenes a bit... at least he hasn't pushed his plan forward at all. First day lynch has barely any chance of getting red, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Lynching inactives is acceptableish... except that we start to forget the main purpose of the game... besides that there are way too many inactives to whittle away at. It seems that some people have decided that Bill Murray should be the first to go down tonight... I will support if necessary but I sort of question some of the newer players semi-blindlysupporting people. They will pop in just to say its a good plan and then speak nothing else of it. If you have supported something please say why you think its good, or what flaws it can possibly have. I would encourage people to look more closely at those posters and see if anyone stands out. I know that a common defense will be that he/she's a newbie to Mafia but I think there are at least some of them that look suspicious. I'm really not sure about BM's intent here. Part of me thinks that his "plan" is just a way to incite discussion and see how many people will come out and say "i like this!!1," and not a plan he actually wants to enact. He hasn't been in the thread for a while so i'd rather wait to see what he has to say for himself when he comes back than start a bandwagon. | ||
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and why Nai Protoss all of a sudden? he's just about as useful as all the other semi-inactives. Killing him doesn't really tell us much at all, i don't think...and at least he's posting now that we're talking about him in the thread. | ||
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On April 19 2010 07:12 Ace wrote: That last post just wreaks of scum. Ok Caller have it your way. I'll just chill for a bit, let your posts sit there for oh lets say ~2-3 hours and then come back and post a compilation analysis of them. The idea of you making a bet based on lynching someone else to prove something about another player when none of that is even in question right now just dug your grave. I'll wait 3 hours. You brought up something in your post here that i was just thinking about. I thought it was strange that as soon as you began to accuse Caller, he threw out the name of nai.protoss as a litmus test for his innocence. | ||
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On April 19 2010 07:16 Caller wrote: To be honest, now that I read it again, your post wasn't as much of a WifoM as I had thought the first time. The reason I suspect nai.protoss now is because he demonstrated that while he reads the posts, he doesn't read the posts. Not only that, but he came out of nowhere to do the very thing I said not to do and left without responding to my allegations. I can see the situation very clearly (this happened to me multiple times in the previous mafia as follows): a) I make a retarded post. LMNOP and Shinbi-chan are like WTF CALLER UR A FUCKIN MORON b) They tell me to stfu and Shinbi-chan posts a load of bullcrap to derail anybody from noticing my fishy as shit posts. c) everything goes back to normal. What's to think the same thing didn't happen here? Okay, thanks for explaining your reasoning behind choosing Nai. Like i said at least it forced him to post, however briefly. But really you could have picked one of several names, and it seemed like you just picked nai.protoss because he happened to be making a bad post at the same time you were posting (refer to my large list). Who's really to say - maybe his mafia buddies yelled at him, or maybe he got intimidated by the rising argument here and wanted out? It's all speculation imo. But i understand what you're saying here. If we're going to lynch a semi-inactive/useless poster, right now nai.protoss is as good a choice as any. Nai.protoss, if you're innocent, it's a bad idea to just disappear away like that since it just makes things even more suspicious. | ||
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On April 19 2010 14:56 DarthThienAn wrote: I'd like to highlight this... makes me think Inf and Nai are connected? Why else would he bother to defend Nai so specifically? To me, Nai is just another inactive, I probably would have worded my post as like "why are we killing inactives?" or "why are we killing one specific inactive? There are too many to decide from" etc. etc. .... 5. I voted for myself in the other thread for 2 reasons: I don't know who to vote for, and I don't think we'll get a majority anyway. Plus, the MKs should take care of more inactives than we want in the first day =[ (iirc still like 4+ left??). If we want to lynch someone in addiction to the anticipated MKs, that will give us more info, but... tis a nother possible townsperson =[. Normally, I would say lynch someone random for sure, but the whole modkilling changes things. after all, i doubt the mafia members would be dumb (or uninterested) enough to get modkilled for inactivity. If you read my other posts, i was concerned about Caller picking nai.protoss as a lynch target when there was nothing specific about him that stood out compared to any other inactive townie. Especially since Caller suggested lynching Nai as a sort of innocence test right after Ace started accusing him of not making sense etc. In my mind there was no difference between lynching nai or any other inactive; it seemed Caller picked him because he posted recently (a rather bad post at that, which some had noted). Anyway that whole side of events seems to have been dropped for the time being. You shouldn't vote for yourself. We want to reach a majority, no lynch is bad bad bad for the town since no lynch = 0% chance to hit a mafia. If we lynch an inactive person or a useless poster, we have potential of lynching a mafia or at least someone who wouldn't have helped anyway. It seems like Jpak and RoL are the prime targets right now. Honestly I don't think they're mafia yet. As I right this RoL just posted apologizing for his inactivity, saying he was working all weekend, which is plausible though not *verifiable*. The problem is that even if these guys are town, they currently are no help at all, and in the future even a possible liability if they manage not to get modkilled. Personally I'd rather vote for Jpak since i know RoL can actually be a town asset when he wants to be, and I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt. | ||
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On April 20 2010 04:34 Caller wrote: Actually, I feel such a vibe of suspicion towards Rage from that last post. I have no idea why but that entire post sounds like something I would write when I'm scum. Instead of using words like "us" and "me" he's using very neutral words like "town." This is something I always do in order to avoid sounding scummy. Not to mention he's framing his "let's not discuss" nonsense as a contribution to the town. How is this different from a politer version of "shut the copulation<courtesy of flamewheel and qatol> up?" It's not at all, and all it serves to do is give inactives a further reason to escape. He's also playing the whole "voice of reason" card, which is something I try to do as mafia because it's so easy to seem so pro-town by doing so, even if you're doing jackhumansolidwaste<courtesy of flamewheel and qatol> in the process. ##FOS: Rage Meh, everybody writes differently. I don't think there is much to learn from thinking like this. Some scum probably go out of their way to say things like "we should do x," "xyz is bad for us," because they wanna sound like part of the gang. I agree more with BC saying that one inactive jumping out to accuse another is something kinda weird... as if people would just forget he was just recently inactive too? Granted it was the weekend, so you can't really verify inactivity or not which sucks. But a move like that was pretty ballsy and a bandwagon is already starting around it. I do agree about the framing of his post though, basically saying "well we will never agree on lynching someone suspicious, so lets lynch this other inactive person!" On the surface it appears to be a very neutral plan but there are definitely some issues here and i'd like to halfway echo you sentiments | ||
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On April 20 2010 05:56 Caller wrote: where the hell did this rage bandwagon come from? Congratulations meeple and Infundibulum, you just earned yourself a place on my suspect list as 3rd and 4th voters. dang, i guess i should have waited to vote fifth  | ||
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On April 20 2010 06:26 Ace wrote: Can somebody kill me tonight? I'm a Detective!. Please kill me. So Ace is there some master agenda behind your "be a whiny bitch" plan this game? | ||
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On April 20 2010 09:59 Caller wrote: ugh, this tells us nothing, why was he railroaded -_- shit just happens, i guess. At least he was an assassin and not green. | ||
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On April 20 2010 11:07 krndandaman wrote: ##Vote Caller ah crap I didn't see the PM or this topic until just now >_> wow just wow | ||
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Anyway some suggestions from little old me - DT list: Anyone suspicious and/or semi active. From my POV this includes motbob, tree.hugger, BM, TheLardyGooser. Maybe rage because of Day 1? Use your best judgment. Medic List: The obvious - Ace (even though he's not helping ... yet, he actually might be a DT), Zona, BC, Incognito, myself (lol  ) | ||
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On April 20 2010 15:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I need to use my money for ace to one shot someone, hes sooo not a dt, but a hatterassassin, an assassin who has the powers of a hatter and a veteran. dare i say... an asshat? | ||
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On April 21 2010 05:37 Falcynn wrote: Wait...so Caller's argument against Rage is that Rage is way too calm in his defending of himself and as a result must be mafia? I realize I'm a total noob and am probably being premature with this but I'm giving a FoS (am I using this term right? just looked it up on that mafiascum wiki) to Caller, because it seems like he's purposely trying to sow discord with these "rules" he's using to spot mafia. Then again, as stated, he is a way more experienced player than me, but I still don't see the logic in the way he makes some of his accusations. No, you are right that there is a lot of strange reasoning in Caller's post. I don't remember him using these sorts of arguments in past games. | ||
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On April 21 2010 08:10 Caller wrote: do you remember me using any arguments in past games/ Yes. | ||
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On April 21 2010 09:29 Radfield wrote: Also, he's supposed to be one of the pro-stars, but despite being around hasn't contributed much lately. You're right, although i'm not really a pro-star (but i'll take it as a compliment anyway). I've been around to read the thread and post quick thoughts but haven't had time to post a thorough analysis. This is due to an extremely potent combination of lack of sleep+work+class+undergraduate thesis, so generally I am around to post more during my local night time (which is right now for me, Eastern US). And generally, yes, my posts are a mix of stupid one liners and paragraphs where I take my time to think and analyze. I'll be trying to get some analysis done on Caller's arguments vs. Rage today, since I think that's one of the important points we need to work on today. And I know you can't answer, but i feel obligated to reply out of respect for our fallen heroes. Anyway I'm catching up on the thread now, I'm a few pages back but i skimmed the end and I see a couple posts mentioning my name. Understandable, cause i did drop off the face of the thread for a little while. I'm glad you guys missed me. | ||
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On April 21 2010 03:01 Caller wrote: Rage, congratulations, you just confirmed my suspicions of you as mafia. Consider the facts: every single piece of evidence I tossed at RaGe was flimsy and easily torn apart by simple, reasonable, logic. In fact look at my post history: OK, this is the main post I want to look at. The problem is that Caller's writing style makes it kinda hard to understand what he's actually trying to get across here. Here he says that he deliberately set up flimsy arguments against Rage. It is true that the arguments were flimsy as myself and i think 1-2 others pointed out, though i did agree that Rage coming out of the shadows to lynch another inactive was fishy. So Caller's claim, if i am reading correctly, is that he set up shitty arguments as a trap for Rage (and maybe anyone else who wanted to argue?) Let's say RaGe is pro-town. Thus he would consider his ideas to be pro-town as well. Thus, anybody that goes against his ideas would be considered anti-town and thus a lynch candidate, or they're a stupid townie. Despite reality and statistics, people generally consider me a good player, so they automatically remove me from the idea of "stupid townie" even though that is usually my role. Thus the only apparent choice is that I'm anti-town and should therefore be lynched. This is especially because if RaGe truly was pro-town, and I not only go against him but accuse him with basically nonsense and nulltells, that this means that clearly I am mafia and he should advocate for my lynch. But we already know that several people consider me to be pro-town despite my complete lack of intelligible contributions. Going after me may be risky, especially because it draws attention to yourself. Now what would a townie think? a) who cares if I die, I have no role anyways, might as well go after Caller b/c he might be mafia godfather or smth!!!!oneoneone or b) this is too risky, if I die I might give too much information away, better to play it safe This actually does make a bit of sense from a players' psychology perspective. However, I am not sure which "several people" consider Caller to be pro-town, if anybody? From my point of view he is neutral, perhaps a lighter shade of pink. Ignoring this, he is right that we would EXPECT to see the good townie play as he would in option (A). But this is also an oversimplification: just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they actually ARE anti town. Townies get into disagreements EVERY GAME, and this doesn't mean that one of the townies is either stuid or anti-town, which are the only 2 options Caller mentions. It's entirely possible for two town members to vehemently oppose each other, but Caller neglects to mention this. Now Caller constantly self-professes his ineptitude at this game, but I know this isn't true and that he's smarter than he's making himself out to be here. Why he is doing this, I can't be sure yet, but maybe someone else has ideas? Moving on: Remember what I said about how town and mafia play? Most inexperienced mafia tend to play it safe when they can. For instance, notice how Ace (before he went trollcore) was willing to put (well, not himself) but a lot of effort and also draw attention to himself (by the way he still hasn't analyzed my posts, can I pay money for that?) when he accused me. I defended myself, but anyone can see that I instinctively concluded that because he disagreed with me, and I'm pro-town, and he's an intelligent player, that therefore he must be anti-town. Everybody does this when faced with an accusation that's flimsy. Everybody. Even the most experienced players tend to get pissed off when this is the case. Again, the oversimplification that everyone who disagrees with you is anti-town. This isn't concrete and you know it man, stop saying it like it is. Yet what does RaGe do? He calmly dismantles my argument and then proceeds to pretend like I've done nothing wrong, aside from going against everything he thinks is pro-town (promoting unity or whatever horsehydro-evacuatedremainder he mentions of being pro-town. He himself has mentioned how he hasn't played in a while, so he's probably not pulling something sneaky here. And yet he proceeds to assume that I'm town, because he doesn't go after me at all and is like "you have a few reasonable points, etc." Why would anybody in their right mind do this? Look what even Jugen did when I accused him. He proceeded to burst a blood vessel in his criticism of me, even though it was pretty inarticulate and didn't really do anything to my credibility. Yet RaGe just kind of pretends it doesn't happen without any sort of retaliation. Unless you're the gosuest townie in the world, I think it's pretty easy to conclude what RaGe's true affiliation is. Please, regardless of who dies tonight, check this man out. But you said you had built your argument specifically to be dismantled in the first place? Why would anyone get angry or defensive when confronted with a deliberately fragile argument? Maybe Rage felt confident seeing that he could deflect it easily, and saw no need to get riled up? You are right that mafia *when backed into a corner* will do pretty much everything he possibly can to avoid the lynch, including getting pissed, but Rage was never backed into a corner here and you admitted that by design of your argument. I was initially suspicious of Rage as well, for somewhat similar reasons (hence my vote) but your continuing reasoning, which is only based on how you would expect an average player to react in a hypothetical situation, seems to be getting strained to me. What bothers me as well is that Rage hasn't even bothered to defend himself from your posting, and here I am doing it just because nobody else has really responded to your post. So summary? I think your reasoning, while similar to mine, ends in an opposite conclusion. I also think you have to stop saying that if you are pro-town aligned, that everyone who disagrees with you is anti-town, since townies often have will and do disagree with each other - and we want to avoid killing ourselves, obviously. | ||
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On April 21 2010 09:39 Incognito wrote: Alternatively...we can use this system. It'll be good for getting a quick and dirty analysis of everyone, and it will give everyone something specific to do. Not only that, but it will all help you improve your mafia hunting skills. So I propose that (after the day post goes up): we all analyze the player below us on the player signup list. Last person (madnessman) analyzes the first person, obviously. Ignore dead people (obviously). We should get out the analyses quickly, then we can go from there. Tips for analyzing players (in this case, the player under you): OK i'll bite. My Player is RoL. RoL's posts from zbot and a couple from when i refreshed the thread: + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2010 12:50 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I am in yo~ On April 15 2010 01:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Nah, Caller is the person I aim to kill/nuke whenever Ace is not in the game. On April 16 2010 11:17 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I have been banned for blogs on two occasions. Shit sucked. But do it Billy, you should be fine. On April 17 2010 12:58 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Awesome, LETS DO ITTT On April 20 2010 04:44 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: sorry for my inactivity, I am catching up right now. I am on page 18. I was working a lot all weekend. On April 20 2010 05:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: In my defense as I catch up. I have had a very busy time. However, I will do something I don't like to do very often. Look at the past to prove the present. Me appearing inactive means absolutely nothing. The last three games I had shit going on and went inactive for a day or so, nearly got lynched then the next day nailed a red. If you give me the time and don't kill me, I will produce results and I will get reds. All I need is to actually survive one day. If I am forced to rush through reading the entire thread I am bound to miss something. I am pretty decent at behavior analysis and later in the game I will definitely be able to nab mafia for us. Just give me the chance. I am on page 21 at the moment, I am working on catching up. I will not propose any lynch candidates right now because quite frankly I do not feel comfortable doing so without being up to date. I am not an inactive player, and you'd be a fool to vote me. My weekends just always get jacked up with work, in the last 3 days I worked 30 hours. Friday I had school 10-2, work 3-7, Saturday 10am to 10pm, Sunday 8am to 6pm, then started reading mafia got tired and went to sleep. On April 20 2010 05:28 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Oh and in case this BM plan thing is still getting attention. The thing is retarded. The Assassin's have no incentive to play along with the town since it would just draw the ire of the mafia. There goal is to sniff out Assassin's not help the town win. The Assassin role will work like this. Early on they will behavior analyze like crazy and use their role checks in attempt to confirm each thought. If they guess correctly they will kill another Assassin the following night. However we should expect the amount of kills happening every night to increase a lot on night 3, when the Assassin's use up both role checks and have to result to just killing people. At that point, chances are they are likely going to hit more mafia members then town and it becomes a sort of Russian roulette game. The assassin's hope to hit each other, but will start annihilating both sides. Until then however, I would expect assassin's to be contributing like a blue role. Trying to contribute as little as possible so they can coast on by, because they don't want to appear like mafia to the town and post negative, and they don't want to help too much so the mafia kills them. On April 20 2010 07:21 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: ace u tryin 2 say summin bout me? bitch On April 20 2010 07:28 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I would like to max out whatever I get a discount on, then rerail the thread. On April 20 2010 09:05 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: well now we are back on topic. I finished reading and I think for this night we are doing the best thing. Jpak hasn't contributed anything, no reason to keep him around. I will do some behavior shit in the morning :D Also on the issue of lynching I don't think we need 20 votes for a lynch, I think its 20 votes for an immediate lynch on someone, or the person with the most votes by the end of the day gets lynched. I PMed flamewheel about it though, so I guess we will find out. On April 21 2010 01:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I agree that he is not likely to be a DT, however I think they are referring to when vivi got railroaded in micro mafia I and at the end of day one he claimed medic and we lynched a medic, then the mafia killed our DT. Then Ace managed to convince everyone to kill Citizen somehow. On April 21 2010 12:14 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: It is sad that this night we would see the deaths of the likes of these. Let us salute our fallen comrades. Radfield, the noble detective. Foolishness, the valiant madhatter. Hobbes, the honorable medic. Although we wished to not be enemies to the red, and to live in harmony as we both go about our individual ways. WHY COULDN'T WE JUST LEAVE EACH OTHER ALONE? On April 21 2010 13:00 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: oh god Ace, I wish I was as good as you at picking out mafia on Day One! On April 21 2010 13:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: d00d but seriously, I already got one! I swear. On April 21 2010 13:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: wtf do you mean nevermind? OK, let's look past the spam here. He says he was busy with work and couldn't post and would make some thoughts as soon as he could, and he did that. Now he is back and spamming the thread, so that does lend credibility to the claim that he was away all weekend. RoL's main points: - he is not an inactive player. give him time and he will find reds. - BM's assassin plan is dumb (already been said multiple times) - Assassins will use behavior analysis and we should expect them to post in the thread the same way a blue would - Jpak hasn't done anything, no point in keeping him around - Ace is not likely to be a real DT the rest is spam. So far, RoL has not lived up to his claim of helping to find reds. The other stuff he said was already covered and neither new nor helpful contributions. Maybe he needs some "more time?" 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On April 21 2010 13:16 Ace wrote: oh nice of you to finally call out Caller after I already did the dirty work infundibulum. Put your vote where your mouth is and get rid of this scum. Not so fast, Ace. What happened to always lynching the claimer, your old mantra? There is always the possibility that you are lying about your rolecheck, and then we lynch Caller and lo and behold he flips not green then we have to spend another Day lynching you. Granted this is a different scenario than a Day 1 claim as we have some posts to analyze. But I'm not going place any votes on anyone yet until i'm caught up with the thread all they way (missing some pages before this one, just saw this as I replied) | ||
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On April 21 2010 12:12 KF91 wrote: Alright, I'm going to go along with Incognito and do my part: iNfuNdiBuLuM Important post summaries: - Urges people to vote to prevent a no lynch - Talks about the timing of the double lynch - Supplies the inactive list - Defends Caller saying that he wouldn't pull of the same mafia act twice in a row - Medic and DT list What makes me really suspicious about infun is the fact that he is looking very pro-town by stating is facts clearly and not getting accused that much, but at the same time, he hasn't been giving any ideas as to what the town should do. He's been giving little nudges here and there to guide the town, but he hasn't really put out a plan we should look at. He doesn't make any type of accusations about anybody and I believe that he doesn't even have suspicions against others. He really hasn't contributed much after the Ace/Caller/nAi incident, and his last few posts have been mostly one-liners (But I guess I can't really blame him, because the thread post-Night 1 has been getting... spammy.), but it is quite noticeable how his long-drawn posts have recently turned into short one-liners. Random trivia: - Infun made the most interaction with Caller in his posts. - He has made 27 posts since the beginning of the game (Using the archive, so I may be wrong) - Voted for jpak during Day 1 Final Conclusions: I personally believe that Infun could be a mafia. His non-aggressive posting style and his recent inactivity (Or lack of posts with content) makes me want to believe that he is mafia pretending to be a "helpful" townie member. He might have had something come up in real life, so we'll have to hear what he has to say. Of course, these are just my thoughts, so feel free to criticize me about what I think about him, and Infun can bash on me if he wants to as well. :D Well I can't hate on you for getting analysis out there, since it's what everyone needs to be doing instead of posting useless garbage. So props. But some things you said about me simply are, well, factually incorrect or misguided. I already explained my inactivity in another post. Real life shit; I am a busy man. Here I am posting and making up for lost time though. I'm not sure why you think it's suspicious that I'm contributing to the town. Look at all the players that aren't contributing anything. It sounds like your concerned that I'm contributing, but not contributing enough. That's fine, I'll try to be more direct in my posts. I never bothered posting any sort of town plan in this game, largely since this game is not about specific town plans - e.g. Bodyguard plans or Assassin plans - but largely about town activity and discussion, which is why i was trying to post helpful information and thoughts about general playing strategy that will best benefit the town. Additionally, why do I have to post aggressively to be town? I have never been a particularly aggressive player, except that one time in Mini Mafia I where the town lynched me and I was the medic and I got really mad (jerks). You say I was never suspicious of anybody..., right after a quote of my DT list of people I thought were suspicious. I'll add a couple more: Caller Abenson (strangely quiet) meeple - same as others RoL - based on my previous analysis Scaramanga - probably pretending to be useless anyway i ask people to continue the incog idea of player-beneath-you analysis. hopefully this will get some inactives out of the woodworks when they see their name in the thread. | ||
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On April 21 2010 13:31 Ace wrote: Yea this isn't a Day 1 RC. This is an RC after I already found Caller to be scummy. But hey if you guys want to lynch me good luck! Right. Part of me thinks you're not actually a DT and just using your clout to bluff this through because you think Caller is red. And don't get me wrong, since I do particularly value your thoughts on other players to be very worth considering. Caller's reaction is funny too because it's exactly like Rage's reaction that he was analyzing; brushing off the assault casually and without concern. Anyway maybe he's writing up some fantastic defensive post, probably about 1 of the following a) he must be the miller b) ace is a liar c) a big twisty post because caller is red and trying not to get executed d) all of the above :p | ||
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On April 21 2010 13:56 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: You could be right, however he would be playing very anti-town then. The thing is if Ace is lying and just wants to kill Caller it would be stupid, he could argue behavior analysis and probably get him lynched. Sure this would get it done with less effort, however if hes wrong he sets us back two lynches, which would suck for us. In short, he could lie, but it wouldn't make sense unless he was trying to sac caller to gain town trust to ride it through the game to mislead us further. That move was done to caller by MrBabyHands in a previous mafia game. I guess that's possible, and that's the problem if caller flips red. Because everyone would probably trust Ace. I wonder if the gain in trust for Ace would be worth losing the KP though (if another mafia dies the kp goes to 3). | ||
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On April 21 2010 13:57 DarthThienAn wrote: In light of this, and Ace's alleged RC on Caller, would it be appropriate to double lynch today (Day 2)? . We can't double lynch today. We can do it tomorrow if we get a majority vote for double lynch today though. | ||
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On April 21 2010 14:19 Fishball wrote: What do you mean odd? If the Roleblocker blocks a player with no night actions, eg. plain Townie, Miller, nothing happens. The person being blocked wouldn't know. Oh, are you sure? I thought everyone got PM if they were blocked, regardless of role  also possible is the mafia blocking nobody, and having a red come out and say he was blocked. Like jeejee did in WaW. | ||
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On April 21 2010 14:22 Fishball wrote: It has always been like this in every game. Oh lol. I think the last game i played that had a roleblocker (besides WaW) was Mafia 2... so i guess i'm not exactly up to speed. thanks for clarifying. | ||
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Say double lynch is in effect. 1. Caller is red. Lynch who and who? 2. Caller is green/blue. Lynch Ace and who? 3. Caller is an assassin. Do we lynch Ace in case he's also an assassin and we don't want him to "win"? But then we still need a 2nd target. What are some possible people to lynch during the double? - I personally don't think BC is red. I hope we don't have to lynch him just to clear up RoL's claim - motbob isn't helping and freely admits it. - Caller's list: ITW, Meeple, Motbob, BC no matter what color caller flips, these are important people to look at. I guess if worse comes to worse we can just use 1 of the 2 lynches on an inactive if there aren't any convincing targets. But personally i'd rather hope we see the inactive(s) modkilled. | ||
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On April 22 2010 00:21 Ace wrote: You can rule out me being an Assassin as I've already illustrated how ridiculous that would be. i know, was just including it for the sake of completeness | ||
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On April 22 2010 05:52 Scamp wrote: I agree with Korynne. Tree.Hugger's logic is suspect and looks like a distraction. Why would any mafia call Ace a liar when he didn't target one of their own? Even WIFOM doesn't really work here. Gotta agree with this, the big debate only really rested between Ace, Caller, BC, and Rol and i had a couple posts in it. Given the number of people just sitting back and voting i'd wager the mafia just took this as a freebie. Keep in mind caller's suspect list: BC, meeple, motbob, ITW. here's his last big post for reference + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2010 15:14 Caller wrote: This entire thread is lols. I'm not even going to bother trying to defend myself here because it's patently obvious that I'm getting bandwagoned and nobody's listening to me. Here's what you do need to know once you find out that I'm a townie. A) Ace still has not accepted my bet with him to have nai.protoss lynched to determine my and possibly his affiliation. More importantly, nai.protoss has jumped out of nowhere to proceed to attack me, because I think it should be fairly obvious that with an idiotic comment like that, once I flip town it should be apparent that nai.protoss is just a stupid townie. No mafia member would ever say something like that EVER. In fact, mafia would be sure to leave a "assuming Ace isn't bullshitting" remark. Someone like... I'll let you figure out who that is. But is Ace a DT? Quite likely. Did he check me? Quite likely. Is he playing rationally? No. It should be fairly obvious that he's trying to spite town here. Look at his attitude change. While it is true that I grossly misrepresented several random pieces of mafiascum terminology, it should also be apparent that the people I attacked were already suspect. RaGe has gone silent since Ace arrived with his high and mighty RC (the one that I personally asked for, twice, I might add). B) I'm not the only one playing for the metagame here. I hope that when I die you look back on my posts that you notice that I was imitating a very certain someone who isn't in this game C) IntotheWow is appearing to know too much. Look at this post. Someone that wants to stop a "no sense" bandwagon, even though it's fairly obvious that he firstly joined one (RoL Day 1) and suspects Ace heavily, yet failed to mention the primary hilarious part, which was quite frankly that I was the one that asked for my own rolecheck. No mafia player ever would do something as risky as that. Why would I go out of my way to do that when I could have instead picked RaGe or meeple, people that were high on my suspect list? It's because it was patently obvious to me that Ace was going the "fuck y'all i'm a boss" strategy. It's an admirable strategy but clearly I either didn't anticipate I was miller or that Ace would be willing to go to such extremes In other words, ITW is playing too intelligently for someone who's a newbie to TL mafia. Either he is a super mafia genius that will sweep town to victory, or he's scum. D) BC is a liar. You were pissed at me in Ace's Mafia World because I had pardoned you (and guaranteed your death by mafia the next day) and as a result you were unable to tell us the 6 or so mafia that you pinned by Day 2. Don't give me that "I'm bad at behavior" bullshit. This man is scum. E) I'm terrible at this game. Don't ever listen to my advice. Seriously. This game is meant to show you how bad I am at this game. Veteran =/= good. By the same token, since I played just like a certain "veteran" player, you should get the implication. Summary: -Once I flip town, you know this means: -Ace is innocent. Nai.Protoss is innocent. -ITW and BC are scum. Meeple is also highly likely scum. Motbob is also likely scum because of his complete uselessness and this: -I'm bad zizi-yo But given the logic posted by Korynne, it wouldn't make sense for BC to be red since he was Aces strongest opponent. I'm more wary of RoL given the circumstances of his roleclaim - right after Ace, and right after I pointed out that he hadn't really contributed anything to the town since he get back, despite saying he would. | ||
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On April 22 2010 06:25 Bill Murray wrote: Just because Ace rolechecked him, and he acted like a DT, I'd like to remind you of WHY he's NOT a confirmed DT. He can say "well I wouldn't do that as an assassin" but his only possible argument of not being an assassin is literally a scummy argument. there are 3 options: a) Ace is a detective. This is great for us, as the best player is on our side. b) Ace is an assassin. This isn't terrible for us, as the best player is for himself (we can ignore him) Remember, assassins get rolechecks. I find this likely, as he has already defended one accusation of this. I'm not saying "lets lynch ace, he's an assassin!", all I'm saying is remember he could be. c) Ace is a good guesser. I don't see this being the case, regardless. He wouldn't do this. Do I personally think he's a DT? Yes. Do I think he could be an assassin? Yes. Either way, we have reds to hunt. What, were you in a coma during Day 1? Ace said during the day he was sure Caller was red, why would an Assassin rolecheck somebody he thought was red when his goal is to find the other assassins? Ace is pretty much confirmed DT. At least you're trying to think though, B- for effort. | ||
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On April 22 2010 06:40 Bill Murray wrote: well if he was an assassin he wouldnt hit a red he would give them up to the town my point is that the assassin is not going to waste 1 of his 2 rolechecks on someone he thinks is a red. by your own admission you do not think Ace bluffed a rolecheck, so where does that leave us? | ||
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would suck for wasting a double lynch though. | ||
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Basically i think the plan tonight is to hope our medics are playing up to speed. Vigi's should hit whoever they think is suspicious (i consider Caller's suspect list a decent starting point, minus ITW who i feel has shown himself to be a pretty solidly town player, and add Scaramanga). Hopefully DT's dont check any more(?) Millers. Also i don't think ALL vigis should shoot tonight like Ace said, considering its a 1 time power and the outcome of tomorrows lynch could set up some good vigi targets for tomorrows night. Of course there's no way to coordinate this, so if you're a vigi with no idea who to hit it might be smarter to wait instead of risking your 1 shot - town is pretty much on the verge of death here. | ||
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P.S. ace you messed up, i wasn't on the jpak wagon | ||
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On April 29 2010 06:54 Ace wrote: jeezus christ lol  :7 | ||
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On April 30 2010 12:00 L wrote: Gotta say, that happy rainbow daisies and marshmellow method of getting good games sure seems to be working for you guys. i suggest we try the angry inferno of fire and brimstone method next | ||
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scaramanga Joined: 18 Apr 2010 Posts: 15 Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:34 am Post subject: Night three hits Who does everyone suggest? From a quick skim through of the thread motbob and rage seam like good targets but im wondering who the medic will protect --- crescentia Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Posts: 20 Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 2:37 pm Post subject: scaramanga osmoses and madnessman imo they're worthless good stuff. i'll dig thru chat logs and see if i can find anything good. | ||
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