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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
May 01 2010 07:04 GMT
#1741
God the actions list is going to take forever.
GG sleep.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Korynne
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada990 Posts
May 01 2010 07:13 GMT
#1742
4 millers is painful. xD

I definitely had a huge suspicion that those leading the town on were mafia. But given how inactive town is and playing the other mafia game I was like, screw it, it would take way too much effort to lynch Incognito and Osmoses/Scara. xD

I think I'll stick to small games from now on, I don't think I have enough time now with work and school starting to be able to analyze like 30 people and try to present a coherent argument.
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
May 01 2010 07:33 GMT
#1743
Ugh I'm too damn tired. I'll type up a day-by-day summary of my thoughts (or what I can remember, at least) tomorrow when I get the chance.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 01 2010 07:43 GMT
#1744
Lol I knew I should have ordered a hit on myself day 1.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-01 07:50:09
May 01 2010 07:48 GMT
#1745
ah well ^_^

When Incognito claimed Veteran and I said "I don't need to check you now" I was so hoping I didn't have to waste an RC on him. It literally came down to me deciding between d3_crescentia(my first choice), Scamp(who I went with) and Brown Bear. Then I get killed :/

Thanks to all the wonderful townies who didn't do shit and allowed scum to skate on by. Games like these are show exactly why it's damn near impossible to get rid of inactive scum. They BARELY post, post nonsense at that and as town it's hard to get rid of them because we've got useless players sitting around. Imagine you have ME as a Detective and you can't win. 20 players max and ban lame players or only allow them to play in Theme games.

#Edit: Yea looking back 4 millers is like kinda ridiculous. Can't really blame this on Millers since 2 of them were playing more scummy than the actual Mafia. Where were all of the Vigilantes? I seriously hate town KP being tied to Double Lynches because of games like this.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 01 2010 07:53 GMT
#1746
KF91...are you serious? lol.

4 guys died, we know no assassins were in the mix. Why didn't you come out and say you protected Incognito and there was a high chance he was scum at that point? :/
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
May 01 2010 07:54 GMT
#1747
Ace what gave it away? I'm always looking to brush up on my scum-tactics. >_>
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
May 01 2010 08:01 GMT
#1748
rofl i can't believe you guys didn't lynch incognito
"The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money usually costs a lot less." -Brendan Behan
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 01 2010 08:01 GMT
#1749
On May 01 2010 16:48 Ace wrote:
ah well ^_^

When Incognito claimed Veteran and I said "I don't need to check you now" I was so hoping I didn't have to waste an RC on him. It literally came down to me deciding between d3_crescentia(my first choice), Scamp(who I went with) and Brown Bear. Then I get killed :/

Thanks to all the wonderful townies who didn't do shit and allowed scum to skate on by. Games like these are show exactly why it's damn near impossible to get rid of inactive scum. They BARELY post, post nonsense at that and as town it's hard to get rid of them because we've got useless players sitting around. Imagine you have ME as a Detective and you can't win. 20 players max and ban lame players or only allow them to play in Theme games.

#Edit: Yea looking back 4 millers is like kinda ridiculous. Can't really blame this on Millers since 2 of them were playing more scummy than the actual Mafia. Where were all of the Vigilantes? I seriously hate town KP being tied to Double Lynches because of games like this.


I never claimed veteran! But I didn't lie about the hit so yeah. TY KF91.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 01 2010 08:05 GMT
#1750
Also AcrossFiveJulys, why did you decide to hit me?
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-01 08:14:13
May 01 2010 08:12 GMT
#1751
On May 01 2010 16:54 d3_crescentia wrote:
Ace what gave it away? I'm always looking to brush up on my scum-tactics. >_>




Meh I'd have to go back and read the game(doing so now from ~page 62-63) because I took 0 notes. I know I had something in my head like:

Active/Semi active players with you, Incognito, Scamp who barely made the list, Korynne, Brown Bear and I think 1 other person. Everyone else except ITW iirc I threw in the useless pile.Out of this list I figured you were almost surely scum. Incognito and everyone else I had down as "possibly scum but no need to deal with yet" kinda thoughts. Then Incognito said he took a hit so I realized the town could deal with that information.

Just went back and tried to retrace my steps (go look at page 72). I think at this point my instincts were correct that this list:

Fishball
KF91
CynanMachae
d3_crescentia
Osmoses
meeple
BrownBear
Incognito
Scamp
madnessman

was an issue of contention. I now see where I asked you to sum up why you thought Rage was scum earlier in the game. I totally left that trail blank because for some reason I felt like checking Scamp later. Either way back to Incognito: On page 73 I once again list a few players I need to resolve with once again all Mafia + 1 innocent.

Now reading more I'm remembering I REALLY had to resolve this list in my head: Scamp/d3_crescentia/Incognito. Madnessman was on the earlier list of Incongito/Scamp/madnessman that I ASKED THE TOWN TO TAKE CARE OF and of course they didn't. Whatever.

On page 75 you mock me saying your scumdar is better than mine and I replied that it can't be because you didn't read carefully. I should slap myself for not going with my first instinct (didn't matter because I died anyway).

Of course no one followed my advice on mass roleclaiming on the very last day. With all the modkills from useless players I think that was the best shot the town had. End of the game was massive fingerpointing and no really good analysis.

Regardless I want my MVP award. Even without getting all my role checks in my scumdar and strategy had us on a clear path to victory. Fucking scum stacked kills on me and I should have went with my guy on d3. Town could have followed my advice and focused on scamp/incognito/madnessman and really could have done some major damage.

U-S-E-L-E-S-S.

Gj to Flamewheel for putting up with the crap this game ^_^.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
May 01 2010 08:54 GMT
#1752
Nice job Incog... the town followed you to their doom.

Thanks to flamewheel for hosting!!
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 01 2010 09:00 GMT
#1753
Oh yea, Incog/d3 for Mafia MVPs. Massive rape and confusion they put on the town. Couldn't even honestly get a read in Incognito's case or go with my gut/first reads in d3s case because of all the ridiculousness they let fester.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8091 Posts
May 01 2010 09:47 GMT
#1754
KF91 LVP , good work mafia
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 01 2010 10:34 GMT
#1755
how was it not obvious i was the godfather when i wasnt spamming?
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
May 01 2010 11:27 GMT
#1756
First game for me, and as it turned out I was mafia, but really I could have just as well been town, I had no idea what I was doing most of the time. Very difficult game I think, trying to sort out who's useless and who's actually mafia. Not to mention the high amount of millers meant there was no way to be certain, even with rolechecks. This combined with the ban on town PMs meant the detectives were all but useless.

I think for a game like this to work, you'd need fewer people and a "1-decent-post" per day minimum requirement. Decent being something like 2-3 paragraphs. I feel like the mafia had a much too easy time.

I was pretty absent for the latter part of the game on account of my new job (yeah that wasn't a ruse, I really did get a job :p) but I think I might've still had a better participation average if I hadn't had to analyze over 30 people. It was too much work to do just for fun. I mean in this case I was a mafia and I wasn't supposed to help anyway, but even making false claims turned out to be a real chore sometimes.

Just my two cents, thanks alot to flame and quatol for hosting, to incognito and infi for pre-reading my useless posts before I posted them and to TL for providing a playing field. I might join for another mafia down the road when I have more time.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Elemenope
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-01 11:58:47
May 01 2010 11:58 GMT
#1757
On May 01 2010 20:27 Osmoses wrote:I think for a game like this to work, you'd need fewer people and a "1-decent-post" per day minimum requirement. Decent being something like 2-3 paragraphs. I feel like the mafia had a much too easy time.


Inactivity will always be a problem within TL-mafia, unless the game is based on invites most likely. Post limits/content limits/etc. are simply band-aid fixes. The root of the issue, from my point of view, looks to be motivation behind the role/game being played and bad habits in hiding a power role.
In DotA you could
nAi.PrOtOsS
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada784 Posts
May 01 2010 13:20 GMT
#1758
ur gay
RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9949 Posts
May 01 2010 13:41 GMT
#1759

good game guys
Moderatorsometimes I get intimidated by the size of my right testicle
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 01 2010 14:35 GMT
#1760
Bleh. Now I have to wonder if I could have just rallied the town around myself at the end in retrospect.

I was right about all my top suspects except for Incog, and that was a huge mistake.

Next time I get vet I've got to play it differently. Spent too much time trying to get hit.
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