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On March 25 2010 15:54 Zona wrote:Thank you for that response to the latter part of my post, meeple. Please respond to the middle portion which I will repost here. Show nested quote +On March 25 2010 14:59 meeple wrote: I've said before that I don't agree usually with lynching most inactive, I mean it tells us nothing about the person or possible ties. I don't know why Zona was so pushy for it, since there are obviously some better targets when we consider that we have two basically confirmed townies and a better choice would be to sift through the votes for Abenson(yes I know I'm on that list...) and see who tried to push the bandwagon. I see no good reason for you to delay naming your "obviously better targets" based on criteria other than being inactive, so perhaps you could kindly name them now? The biggest strike against tree.hugger seems to be that he hasn't posted much, along with the vote for L without a post to back it up. It will give the town the benefit of your analysis and show how I was mistaken to focus on inactives. Please do recall that I pointed out RoL when he only had 3 posts, all of them content-free.
I don't object to the first vote for RoL, and in fact it's been tremendously useful since it forced him to post like crazy. I was more wondering why you continued to push for him.
When I voted for tree.hugger I made it clear that I wanted him to post more, but that doesn't mean I think he's mafia just yet.
I'm looking right now for suspicious people and going through their posts...
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Err... sorry I should clarify... I know its much more than the first vote that made RoL post all that. He was basically confirmed lynched when he started. I meant that before he started posting there wasn't much evidence to lynch him. And now that he's posted alot and put his ideas out there we can make a better decision on who to lynch.
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So I promised some more options and here goes:
On March 25 2010 07:56 Iaaan wrote: ##Vote: RebirthOfLegend
Voting for L is dumb because we wont learn anything other than his role, since he hasn't been able to post.
I propose that, in order to extend the day, someone without nukes could launch a fake nuke. Thoughts? I was going to write a bit more, but I figured I should bring up the idea for discussion first.
Voting for RoL initially was based on the exact same logic as voting for L... they were both rather inactive, although L for different reasons. Why would you defend L so much, and yet when the idea came up to lynch RoL on the basis of inactivity you were all for it.
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On March 25 2010 19:03 Bill Murray wrote: Irrelevant as soon as he launched that nuke.
Nope, not really...It's not irrelevant because Iaaan decided to vote for RoL before RoL decided to nuke Caller. Voting to lynch RoL was done mostly(if not all) on the basis on his inactivity. This is the same basis that the platform to lynch L was run on, and yet Iaaan rejected it.
Now if someone decided to lynch RoL after he had launched the nuke, the situation would be different.
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On March 25 2010 21:48 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2010 21:17 Amber[LighT] wrote: I don't understand why someone launches a nuke when we specifically say "DO NOT LAUNCH ANY NUKES IF YOU ARE PRO-TOWN."
What the hell RoL? There is a limit to how many nukes can be launched, and you arbitrarily decided to send one flying through the air? We have no info in this thread right now other than than the fact that you're acting like an idiot. I can understand it =/ He knows he's not mafia. He wants to feel involved. And he has pointed out his suspicion of a good player. Whether he is an idiot or not, only time will tell. I would love to hear a serious post from caller. (I lol'd massively at his response to the nuke) Remember Amber, I've pretty much said I would do the something similar....
I think he was being serious... just said in a joking manner. I don't think he has anti-nuke abilities, or if he does he's hiding them in the hopes that another country will save him. I don't think RoL really elaborated on his suspicion of Caller or if he did I can't find it, so there might not be much for Caller to respond to.
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On March 26 2010 01:10 Versatile wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2010 00:04 haster27 wrote:On March 25 2010 23:37 L wrote: 1) If abenson confirms that he/opz are masons, killing one of them lets every person in the game roleclaim to opz via confirmation. This is big shit. How can we role-claim to him without getting it also known by anyone else when PM is prohibited? all hail the return of the noble and wise L, who can't even get the rules right. smh.
C'mon that's not really necessary... There have been several people who got caught up on the rules in this game. It's bound to happen. Being condescending about it just starts flamewars and pisses people off.
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On March 26 2010 04:54 Bill Murray wrote: I am suspicious of those who normally contribute a lot, are online right now, and are not contributing *looks over at meeple*
Yeah I had class... so I wasn't online. Dunno what gave you the impression I was. Next time I'll let you know when I go afk.
I won't be around for the lynch/nuke but I think we'll have no problem getting majority, even if it is for RoL. Hopefully green blood isn't soaking the floor tonight.
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On March 26 2010 22:43 JeeJee wrote: ##enchantNuke:lightning ##launchEnchantedNuke:flamewheel91
but seriously, posts like that can affect the game dude. some idiot can read them and go "OH OK!!!" and launch a nuke. well i bet if someone were to do that they would've launched a nuke anyway but who knows, right? i'd rather not egg them on.
anyway, i would like to draw attention to meeple. how are you doing buddy? what do you think about this situation, what are your suspicions, what's your suggested course of action? you haven't posted in a while so i hope you can contribute Thanks! -Shinbi
Good god, this is going to sound like I'm always here lurking and just jump in when someone mentions my name, but I swear its simply not the case.
Ah I've been doing well, thanks for asking... Chinese lessons start in an hour an a half so I gotta go practise my directions but I do have time for my thoughts.
I have been recently catching myself up on the happenings... and have formed a couple of opinions.
I still suspect Iaaan of devious actions, since he hasn't really responded to any criticisms... although if I recall someone did offer some reasons why he would make those decisions, I would prefer something from him.
The amount of nukes in the air is worrisome so early in the game... but expected if everyone is given the power to kill.
I'd like to think about who would be interested in protecting Caller, since I don't think it's been thoroughly discussed. I can't find too many people who were advocating heavily to save him, definitely not a majority. So it does bring suspicion on him since he might have been saved by the mafia not willing to lose one of their own so early. Especially if they don't have too many members to begin with. Just something to think about. I don't think a normal townie would waste an anti-nuke so early...
RoL nuking johnnyspazz was expected, well not the target... but the act of nuking someone given the chance. I have some doubts about johnnyspazz being red, but with all the heat on him from other people it might be nice to let it land and clear some things up. He's been relatively active, so there will be some good information to be had if he flips mafia.
tree.hugger's choice to nuke L was unfortunate at best. Despite his aggressive style, I don't think L is red, and he has hinted that he has a special role. That might just be a bluff but of course it increases the risk associated with letting him die, since there's a chance he's someone especially important.
L's wish that someone would protect him and nuke tree.hugger is a nice thought if he really is a blue role, but I don't think it will happen, due to L's sometimes abrasive nature and the limited amounts of anti-nukes. If you do have anti-nukes... be very careful about who you wish to save... and it all depends on how many you have.
Now... its a much harder question to answer now about whether or not tree.hugger should be lynched. This type of distraction, where the town repeatedly wastes lynches on what are probably townies is making the red guys giggle like crazy. I think that tree.hugger should face some retribution for the nuke, but Yeeaarrrggg I really don't want to waste another lynch on someone who's probably just a townie whom L rubbed the wrong way. I don't think that mafia would be so willing to be out in the spotlight so early in the game.
My previous vote on tree.hugger was to get him to post more, so please don't construe that as me thinking he was red.
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On March 26 2010 16:39 Bill Murray wrote: Nikon: Sorry, I got Bulgaria confused with Romania.
Tree.Hugger: That was not the best course of action that you could have pursued. Just because L was putting FoS on you, you didn't have to crack under the pressure. I understand that many people would be mod-killed for what he said to you, but that doesn't warrant you ruining the game for the rest of the world here!
I would like to live, while having the green earth prevail; however, I care more about the world winning than myself. My nation doesn't have any special abilities, but I could counter-nuke someone if you all would want me to.
WHAT I PROPOSE:
Lynch Abenson solely to give the town someone to build a circle around with ~OpZ~. I find it highly unlikely that masons would be on different sides given the format that we are using.
Yeah there's no way I would advocate lynching Abenson. He's probably town and its best to assume for now that they both are. This isn't a game where behind-the-scenes action will determine the outcome.
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Jesus on the crapper... So didn't johnnyspazz claim to have anti-nuke power, and yet he didn't save himself or anyone else? Am I missing something here?
Nuking each other to bits isn't getting us anywhere and in fact,its totally ripping apart the town.
On March 27 2010 23:16 ~OpZ~ wrote: Have we gotten any real posts of opinions from amber or d3_crescentia?
Also, if you have an anti-nuke PLEASE god save L again. Look this is retarded to argue he's mafia. And when he pops green EVERY SINGLE PERSON who has pointed their finger at him will have a problem: To explain why they wanted him dead so hard before he had gotten back from his ban.
Inactivity?! L as BM has said, L has made more posts than most people in this thread, and HE WAS GONE FOR 48 HOURS! Oh, and the difference between L's posts and most other peoples posts? HIS ARE NOT DEVOID OF CONTENT.
Points for saving L -most likely green (he was getting bussed for being inactive, rofl) -has posted plenty of useful information, and probably outed a mafia or two already
Also, where has Zona gone?!?!?
Amber and d3 catch my attention only in that they're kinda staying out of the fray of this whole mess...
Saving L all depends on how many anti-nukes we have. I'm certain that there are way more anti-nukes than nukes in this game so its critical we save a couple. This is only the first day. If you have a good stockpile, then go ahead... well actually I'll probably support it in any case but it might just hinder us a bit later on.
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Was tree.hugger really high on the lynch list? I know he nuked without town consensus but technically the nuke got shot down.
As for lynching Versatile... well it's pretty obvious she's being fairly anti-town and just doing whatever the hell she wants to do... so I'd agree with lynching but I still have the same twinges of regret since we're not really any closer to bagging us some mafia.
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On March 28 2010 05:06 Bill Murray wrote: The mafia are trying to hide the fact that L nabbed them pretty much on his first day....
can we go with his list? he was right last game.
That's questionable...
I'm glad that lmnop's nuke got intercepted, and I'm starting to get sick of Day 1
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On March 28 2010 06:24 XeliN wrote: Grrrr, I'm almost certain this is not an intelligent thing to say but I'm irritated. I'm North Korea, I am pro-town and I shot the nuke, I had one nuke that I could fire anomynously and chose Elemenope because I'm fairly sure he's mafia. Other suspects I had in mind were Caller and Bill but they were more suspicions and I was more sure of LMNOP.
Now start the moaning about how bad I am and what a stupid thing it was to do, but I have a question, who shot it down and why?
i would think an anonymous nuke would have been better used on someone that the town had talked about being scummy, that way it at least has a chance of landing and not being shot down. Shooting it off randomly like that was... interesting, but I suppose I don't blame you.
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On March 28 2010 07:56 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2010 07:12 meeple wrote:On March 28 2010 06:24 XeliN wrote: Grrrr, I'm almost certain this is not an intelligent thing to say but I'm irritated. I'm North Korea, I am pro-town and I shot the nuke, I had one nuke that I could fire anomynously and chose Elemenope because I'm fairly sure he's mafia. Other suspects I had in mind were Caller and Bill but they were more suspicions and I was more sure of LMNOP.
Now start the moaning about how bad I am and what a stupid thing it was to do, but I have a question, who shot it down and why? i would think an anonymous nuke would have been better used on someone that the town had talked about being scummy, that way it at least has a chance of landing and not being shot down. Shooting it off randomly like that was... interesting, but I suppose I don't blame you. I think you're being way too charitable (suspiciously charitable?) to a nuke fired anonymously at someone who really hadn't incurred any suspicion at all, and was actually being fairly helpful. XeliN you can be helpful by explaining why you were seriously sure LMNOP was mafia.
Heh... alright perhaps I was too nice about it... I'm glad lmnop was saved and the nuke was pretty stupid and I really don't know why Xelin claimed it, since everyone was just assuming that mafia sent it and it got shot down by a townie who wanted to protect his identity. I would actually urge whoever shot it down to remain hidden... townies with anti-nukes play a big role in this game so the less of you that the mafia know the better.
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Huh... a dud from BM, friggin eh.
I agree with most of Opz's take of Iaaan and the others... but perhaps not tree.hugger. I put him in the same boat as Versatile right now. Not mafia but certainly not helping us and its really a shame BM's nuke was a dud.
If I had to post my suspect list it would be something of the order of:
Iaaan Caller d3-cres Amber
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On March 29 2010 01:16 XeliN wrote:Just for some perspective, I did launch a nuke without town consensus although I can't do so again as I only had one nuke that I was allowed to launch in secret. I actually was of the impression that it meant no-one would be informed about the nuke and not have the option of anti-nuking, didn't explain in role and I assumed. In retrospect it's been wasted now . Also The nuke I have launched has been anti-nuked as well as the anti-nuker not coming forward and explaining why, now this doesn't say so much in itself as a town anti-nuker certainly has good reason not to come forward assuming they have more anti-nukes or even just to not give the mafia information, but still worth considering. Someone asked to expound on my believing LMNOP to be mafia, the whole OpZ Abenson thing was the most important in swaying, once OpZ came out as being homosexual Mason. It seemed fairly obvious when considering the hypothetical of them being mafia, that they were legitimate and yet lMNOP attempted to continue to have Abenson lynched. This in itself could go both ways like OpZ in that you could say "if it was so obvious then the mafia would not risk trying to carry on with lynching him" however, at the time there was still a large number of votes on Abenson and a legitimate chance of having him lynched. To compound that, his immediate jump to accusing me of launching the anonymous nuke (before I so cleverly came out and admitted) seems suspicious in and of itself. If he was a townie he would not be so sure where it came from, peoples roles are a mystery suspicion is everywhere and you can't be sure on anything especially so early on in the game. He immediately said it was me, and if you read the wording he was pretty firm, this seems mafialike to me. Also he clearly outlined why I had found him suspicious in the same post, this is interesting as it is his first response to my suspicions, before the nuke and his post accusing me of launching it he had given no response whatsoever choosing to ignore. So there those are my reasons. Just to further clarify, I've left off giving a big explanation post so we can have some time to see peoples posts before hand. I have claimed North Korea, Already you know NK has the ability to launch nukes anonymously. Do you really think this ability would go to mafia? Either I am not NK (in which case the real one should come forward as it would out me as mafia essentially) or I am townie, in this case kim jong townie.
I don't think lmnop catching on that you launched the nuke is a mafia-tell. He could have just guessed it based on the posting and besides I think if a nuke is anonymous, it's probably anonymous to them as well.
Your stance on nuking lmnop was because he still wanted to have Abenson lynched? Well... I dunno about that... it's suspicious but if I remember correctly BM came out with the same statement a little while ago (to confirm Opz). It's definitely something to think about and keep in mind when reading lmnop's posts from now on... but it definitely didn't warrant a nuke.
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On March 29 2010 01:24 ~OpZ~ wrote: p.s.....I want to nuke you...I want to nuke you good...but I think the town wants me to hold off...I had forgot about you for a sec...I propose Xelin for lynch tomorrow...
All Opposed?
All For?
There's like 3 probably townies that "should" be gotten rid of I think Versatile tree.hugger Xelin
I would say that Versatile is the most dangerous, so I'd rather see her go, but I wouldn't be disappointed in the others. On the other hand... we really should be hunting red.
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On March 29 2010 01:27 Zona wrote: All these edits in the thread...do we not have rules? Can I just go edit my own posts and blame some sort of mistake as well?
I can vouch for Xelin's changes... since I saw them happen
However really Xelin we shouldn't edit...
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On March 29 2010 10:16 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2010 10:12 Zona wrote:On March 29 2010 10:00 ~OpZ~ wrote: Also, don't lump me in with them. I'm nuking someone who is highly suspicious... Each of those that you're trying to avoid being "lumped" with also thought like you did. They all nuked someone highly suspicious in their mind. Did you just ignore the entire argument where the earlier in the game, the less information all town players have, and the more likely they will screw up their unrestrained kills and hit fellow town members? Right now you've just declared that you're better than everyone else...and you're not. You say it's like day 3. It's not. We only have one concluded vote count. We don't have any flipped mafia, so we don't have any mafia statements we're sure of that we can examine for collusion with other probable members. You've just added to the crapshoot that has already gotten 3 town members killed (1 killed by lynch). Perhaps probability will dictate that you'll score this time, or perhaps not, but you're not playing to further the best interests of the town. This game is town vs mafia, not a bunch of lone rangers working alone vs mafia. You don't suspect Tree.Hugger? LMNOP didn't? L didn't? Meeple didn't? Versatile doesn't? I didn't? Ehhhh? Plan I just came up with works brilliant...Just launch another 3-6 nukes at Tree.Hugger and break the game. That simple.
Erm... though I found tree.hugger suspicious... I wasn't convinced about him. In fact, I have a feeling we're going to see him flip green. Also, I've been against early nukes for a while now. so I don't really support your decision to launch that nuke.
As for the plan to nuke the hell out of the world to hamper the mafia is something that maybe can be used later on but it hampers us probably more than the mafia right now. Nukes are supposed to be an advantage given to the town, and if we're smart enough can be used as such.
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On March 30 2010 02:19 Versatile wrote: so nikon is going to live until day 2 for sure. either he's mafia, or just a dumbass towny who's got all our attention so the mafia isn't going to kill him.
mafia is probably going to kill one of us active players, so i suggest we all put in the thread what we want the town to know going forth without us before night ends.
my top suspects: iaaan caller amberlight d3_crescentia
and to a lesser extent: nikon fishball
i would like these people to address why they shouldn't be lynched tomorrow. except caller and iaaan. no changing my mind about either of you.
As much as I dislike Versatile's sass, I fully agree with this list...
Nikon... Zona really has very little chance of being red. He accused you and then you flipped and nuked him. This type of stuff is ridiculous and is going to get us all killed.
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