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JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
March 28 2010 17:40 GMT
#1261
also, one point that i believe hasn't been brought up yet that's EXTREMELY telling
versatile has been hit by a nuke. ok so she didn't die, but nobody knew the nuke was fake. or well, at least the town didn't. that means if verse is on the mafia team, the mafia would probably be inclined to anti-nuke unless they knew that verse had no more abilities or something. now since the nuke hit we can likely conclude one of the following:

1) mafia has no anti nukes
2) verse is not mafia
3) mafia was willing to sacrifice verse for whatever reason (i.e. verse was out of nukes)
4) mafia has some way to tell fake nukes from real ones
5) some 3rd party explanation

as verse is being brought up time and time again as a day2 lynch target, i thought i would bring this up as well to paint the whole story. comments?
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
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JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
March 28 2010 17:43 GMT
#1263
wait a minute
verse,
both townies and mafia have anti-nukes so this would not be an impossible task.


how do you know mafia has anti nukes?
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
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JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
March 28 2010 18:09 GMT
#1273
On March 29 2010 02:47 Versatile wrote:
because i think caller is mafia, and he was anonymously anti-nuked.

i guess i shouldn't state it as a fact, and i apologize for that, but it's what i believe given my behavioral analysis on caller.


ok, fair enough. guess our minds are wired differently, as you can see the first conclusion i thought of was that mafia may have no anti-nukes. it just seemed you were so sure, which stood out to me, to say the least.
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
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JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
March 29 2010 14:11 GMT
#1330
On March 29 2010 20:23 Nikon wrote:
Wow, the day might end soon!

Just so we're clear: First I get this:

Show nested quote +
On March 28 2010 23:12 Zona wrote:
Post your plans, comments on plans, who you're suspicious of, what actions seem anti-town, etc. Plus posting isn't just to add to the discussion, but to allow the town to get a read on YOU. If you don't give us anything to work with, lurker scum can use you as someone to hide among. If you're town, that is.


And then there's

Show nested quote +
On March 29 2010 00:06 Zona wrote:
We have 3 nuke-initiators. If we get no further information I'm comfortable lynching any among them. But we haven't even hit the first night yet, why don't we at least wait to see what information surfaces before we talk about an event that's far in the future?


You're directly disagreeing with yourself. Based on this and how you've omitted various pieces of information in your nice big posts, I'd say that you're red.

The question is... what should I do with you.

I thought this was a weird accusation, especially on someone who most, myself included, consider quite pro-town (one of the most useful players for sure). So I decided to run through your old posts and see what I can dig up

Nikon
-against early nukes
-for lynch-the-nuker plan.
-randomly suggests a 3rd mason in opz/abenson circle
-a little ad hominem vs bill murray
-wants xelin dead

well, aside from that there's not too much substance in his posts. and of course there aren't that many posts to begin with (24 i believe after the /confirm post). however the points he has made (or rather, agreed with) have been pro-town. I'm leaning towards the fact that nikon is town-aligned, but i feel there's something odd. most importantly i notice that he hasn't actually contributed much more beyond agreeing with pro-town plans. i still feel it's not a big deal, it's just that his random "zona is red" and hinting at his desire to nuke zona made me raise an eyebrow. what do you guys (and nikon in particular) think?
my take is he's town-aligned, but as long as we still have day, might as well keep discussing, n'est pas?
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
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JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
March 29 2010 17:03 GMT
#1356
are you out of your fucking mind nikon?
ZONA?
REALLY?

ok slow it down for me because i must be retarded. spell out all of your reasons for nuking zona
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
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JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
March 29 2010 19:09 GMT
#1412
ok
well i'm raging but hey, what else is new right?

first, let's talk about the radiation levels, here's what we know
Radiation Levels
0-very low
2-low
4-moderate

it follows to assume (and is the most reasonable guess) that it continues as per:
6-high
8-very high
10-death

I am fairly confident this is the scale. Maybe off by one nuke, but it will give us a rough idea of how screwed we are. So keep this in mind


Now, let's talk about players. This is going to be long and monstrous so I am going to spoiler it. My final suspects list will be at the bottom. of course, like nikon, i am not confident i will live through the night. however, unlike nikon, i am not going to launch nukes willy-nilly. instead, my approach is to post out all of my thoughts and if i get killed, you get a clean post to read that you know was written by a confirmed townie.
+ Show Spoiler [dont worry i was a doctor] +

Here is who is still alive:

Alive players
d3_crescentia
JeeJee
Xelin
~Opz~
Amber[LighT]
Caller
haster27
Elemenope
iNfuNdiBuLuM
Zona
Fishball
Iaaan
meeple
Versatile
Nikon
Abenson
nemy

Now, i won't be on any of my analysis because i know i am townie, but obviously you can take this with a grain of salt. i don't aim to convince myself, i aim to convince you through my posts.

So we have 16 players (plus me). I think a reasonable number of mafia, as several people have pointed out is 4-5.

Let's talk about each of these people in order, and I will give my final list. for all of them, i'll give a quick summary of posts, then my opinion, then a 1-5star rating.
d3_crescentia
-works with zona to fine-tune the revenge-lynch (back then it was revenge-nuke) plan
-does not think L is a worthy lynch candidate
-support revenge-lynch
-votes for L (this flags a "wtf?" in my head, as earlier he did not think L was lynch-worthy) but votes after a wagon has started.. interesting
-switches to RoL as per town plan
-contributes a few thoughts later on but is mostly inactive

This boggles me. on the other hand he starts off very pro-town, but then does something extremely weird if he were townie. he does not get into too many arguments but does contribute thoughts and follows through with town plans. I'm really on edge with this guy and will put him as:

**[yellow]*[/yellow]
3/5 - definitely not comfortable calling him pro-town. Please be more active d3, we need your opinions


xelin
-starts off supporting L and revenge-lynch plan
-questions and fine tune's other's plans
-argues with fishball a bit
-against inactives
-bounces around votes a bit, settling on rol as per the rest of town
-wants nuke on caller to land
-suspects caller/bill/elemenope
-claims north korea, claims shot lmnop, noone has counterclaimed
-claims treehugger and verse are on same team
-argues a little with haster

my take? he starts off really pro-town, but then goes ahead and ruins it with an anonymous nuke on a probable pro-town player. as there's still no counter-claim i guess we might as well believe his claim to be legit..question is, what do we make of it?
i am actually leaning towards him being a third party. however, given that he (claims) has just one nuke, i can't fathom what his win condition is. of course an anonymous nuke would be a good way to start a nuclear shitstorm in an otherwise ordered game, so it could be win-by-tod. but of course this is a guess just like any other. i'm not comfortable calling him pro-town at all, and in fact leaning towards him being anti-town
**[yellow]*[/yellow]*
4/5


opz
i don't really want to go through all his posts but really, he can be summed up as either the ballsiest mafia ever or a mason.
*
1/5


amber
-votes for L due to inactive, continues attacking him for a bit
-nuking as pro-town
-wants inactives to come out, encourages discussion
-discourage nukes early on
-points out flaws in others' plans
-bounces off of L (saying L will be useful in the future.. an interesting change) onto abenson
-argues with rol after rol's nuke
-against tree.hugger nuke, but does want him dead via lynch. although once he was nuked, he wanted it to fall
-supports MAD (an interesting change from no-nuking although given the shitstorm that transpired maybe expected)

He, like d3 actually, boggles me. He does have a few interesting flip-flops, but in context they are somewhat expected. but he also started off (with me in fact) on the no nuking policy and i applaud him for that. of course lately he switched to supporing M.A.D which i think is retarded, but oh well.
I'm not comfortable calling him pro-town.. quite on edge.
**[yellow]*[/yellow]
3/5


caller
-screws around and spams early game without adding content
-votes for opz as a joke, then seemingly votes for bill as a joke
-claims has no anti-nukes (after rol shot him)
-..that's it

extremely inactive. mentioned something about sucking on day1 analysis, but daymn, this has been one hell of a day one. surely you'd have something to contribute by now
**[yellow]*[/yellow]

3/5 - i am not calling him pro-town mostly because he is not active AT ALL. by far one of the least active players in the game (alongside abenson i suppose although there may be PMs going on there), and while he hasn't done anything wrong.. that's only because he hasn't done anything! Start talking already.

haster
-argues plans and works with L/zona. supports revenge-nuking instead of revenge-lynching though
-thinks mafia will not lurk due to modkill policy
-agrees with revenge-lynch though
-does not want people to vote for L
-votes rol
-an interesting post "o god i wish PM were allowed in this game"
-freaks out over idiots
-wants L's nuke stopped, johnny's not
-suspect list:
Versatile
tree.hugger
Xelin
-continues to argue, raise discussion, get people involved

i really like this guy. i think he's definitely playing pro-town, and am comfortable calling him town aligned. not as much as say opz or abenson but he's definitely a good player to have imo
*
1/5

elemenope
ok i'll be honest, i don't want to bother reading his walls of texts, which he has been exclusively posting. this post is already taking way too long. personally, i took him off my suspects list when he got nuked by north korea because i don't feel like NK is town-aligned. however, his posts (the ones that i have skimmed) have been reasonably helpful, at least at first glance. he is also fairly active, which is always an asset to the town. i would say just BREAK UP YOUR DAMN POSTS MAN (and yes i know, pot calling kettle black, but i never post walls of text, this is like my first one)
**
2/5


infundi
-for revenge-lynch, against lynching L
-votes rol, suspects d3, tree, xelin
-folows a no-nuke policy
-supports lmnop, and actually thought tree might flip green given the chaos that transpired

overall pretty good record i feel, just not that active. still, i feel he may be a bored townie rather than a lurking mafia
**
2/5


zona
i don't want to go into detail on this guy, but suffice to say he has been driving discussion (barring his one afk spell for a day or 2), suggesting plans, and having generally well-reasoned arguments. he's one of the most pro-town players in this game, and noticeable too.
*
1/5


fishball
-votes L without much reasoning, but changes to rol as per town plan
-heavily argues with L
-suggests that we are chasing ghosts
-aligned with me on the nuking situation

i would be a lot less suspicious of him if he were a) more active b) not on the L list. i feel quite strongly that there has to be mafia on that list, especially since L flipped town, it would've been in their interests to knock him out. on the other hand, he hasn't done anything wrong per se.. but like caller, it's mostly because he hasn't done anything! i would give him a 3/5 like caller, but alas he is on the L list, which knocks him up a notch

**[yellow]*[/yellow]*
4/5

iaaan
-against lynching L
-for rol's nuke hitting
-wants johnny and L to die, and lynch tree.hugger
-has a big logic flaw where if L is green, tree.hugger has to die
-supports shooting down anonymous nuke
-suspects both BM and L
-"i want all nukes in the air to fall because none of the players are confirmed townies" another logic flaw
-also wants verse to die


this set off some flags when i was skimming through his posts. it seems like this guy wants a lot of people dead, and quick. a townie wouldn't be so triggerhappy in my opinion, as deaths + votelists are more useful than just deaths. hell, at the end of this day, we still have just one vote list, although we DO still have a crapload of information. either way, this one is a major suspect for me

*[yellow]*[/yellow]**
5/5


meeple
-not particularly against L dying, but prefers others
-points out nemy and in general the concept of mafia riding bandwagons
-tries to stay neutral in the various ad hominem arguments
-suspects iaaan
-agrees with lynching verse
-glad anonymous nuke was shot down
-his suspect list:
Iaaan
Caller
d3-cres
Amber

overall, he stays interestingly in the background and is not so active. however, he's active enough to stay alive. overall his suspect list is pretty decent, and as i'm going through this, i will probably come up with something similar. undecided on this fella,

**[yellow]*[/yellow]
3/5


verse
i've outlined many reasons for why i believe verse is mafia. she has started chaos, launched two nukes at now confirmed townies. however, she managed to stay alive through a nuke, which i don't know what to make of (this i have also outlined)

still, i am leaning towards non-town aligned, although not as heavily, as say iaaan
*[yellow]*[/yellow]*
4/5

nikon
this kid's retarded, i do hope zona gets saved. i might be blinded by my trust of zona, but seriously dude, what the hell were you thinking. either way, i have outlined this guy earlier, so i'll just paste that here:
Nikon
-against early nukes
-for lynch-the-nuker plan.
-randomly suggests a 3rd mason in opz/abenson circle
-a little ad hominem vs bill murray
-wants xelin dead

well, aside from that there's not too much substance in his posts. and of course there aren't that many posts to begin with (24 i believe after the /confirm post). however the points he has made (or rather, agreed with) have been pro-town. I'm leaning towards the fact that nikon is town-aligned, but i feel there's something odd. most importantly i notice that he hasn't actually contributed much more beyond agreeing with pro-town plans. i still feel it's not a big deal, it's just that his random "zona is red" and hinting at his desire to nuke zona made me raise an eyebrow. what do you guys (and nikon in particular) think?
my take is he's town-aligned, but as long as we still have day, might as well keep discussing, n'est pas?


i just don't understand why he would nuka zona. do. not. get. it. if before i would rate him 2-3/5, that nuke definitely brings him up a point to 3-4/5

*[yellow]*[/yellow]*
4/5

abenson
same deal as opz
*
1/5


nemy
-against lynching L
-votes bill, then to rol as per town plan
-..that's it?

not very active, falls into the caller/infundi territory. be more active, dammit


**[yellow]*[/yellow]
3/5





My final lists:
tier1 suspects:
iaaan
verse

tier2 suspects:
nikon
xelin
d3
fishball

inactives/possible lurking mafia:
caller
infundi
nemy

likely townies:
zona
haster27
abenson
opz
elemenope

undecided:
amber
meeple


Course of action?
what can i say..i need opinions of others, and i am most definitely looking for defenses of the people i have pointed fingers at. reactions, own analysis. CREATE HISTORY. WE NEED IT.
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
March 29 2010 19:29 GMT
#1415
[QUOTE]On March 30 2010 04:24 Nikon wrote:
[QUOTE]+ Show Spoiler +
On March 30 2010 04:09 JeeJee wrote:
ok
well i'm raging but hey, what else is new right?

first, let's talk about the radiation levels, here's what we know
Radiation Levels
0-very low
2-low
4-moderate

it follows to assume (and is the most reasonable guess) that it continues as per:
6-high
8-very high
10-death

I am fairly confident this is the scale. Maybe off by one nuke, but it will give us a rough idea of how screwed we are. So keep this in mind


Now, let's talk about players. This is going to be long and monstrous so I am going to spoiler it. My final suspects list will be at the bottom. of course, like nikon, i am not confident i will live through the night. however, unlike nikon, i am not going to launch nukes willy-nilly. instead, my approach is to post out all of my thoughts and if i get killed, you get a clean post to read that you know was written by a confirmed townie.
+ Show Spoiler [dont worry i was a doctor] +

Here is who is still alive:

Alive players
d3_crescentia
JeeJee
Xelin
~Opz~
Amber[LighT]
Caller
haster27
Elemenope
iNfuNdiBuLuM
Zona
Fishball
Iaaan
meeple
Versatile
Nikon
Abenson
nemy

Now, i won't be on any of my analysis because i know i am townie, but obviously you can take this with a grain of salt. i don't aim to convince myself, i aim to convince you through my posts.

So we have 16 players (plus me). I think a reasonable number of mafia, as several people have pointed out is 4-5.

Let's talk about each of these people in order, and I will give my final list. for all of them, i'll give a quick summary of posts, then my opinion, then a 1-5star rating.
d3_crescentia
-works with zona to fine-tune the revenge-lynch (back then it was revenge-nuke) plan
-does not think L is a worthy lynch candidate
-support revenge-lynch
-votes for L (this flags a "wtf?" in my head, as earlier he did not think L was lynch-worthy) but votes after a wagon has started.. interesting
-switches to RoL as per town plan
-contributes a few thoughts later on but is mostly inactive

This boggles me. on the other hand he starts off very pro-town, but then does something extremely weird if he were townie. he does not get into too many arguments but does contribute thoughts and follows through with town plans. I'm really on edge with this guy and will put him as:

**[yellow]*[/yellow]
3/5 - definitely not comfortable calling him pro-town. Please be more active d3, we need your opinions


xelin
-starts off supporting L and revenge-lynch plan
-questions and fine tune's other's plans
-argues with fishball a bit
-against inactives
-bounces around votes a bit, settling on rol as per the rest of town
-wants nuke on caller to land
-suspects caller/bill/elemenope
-claims north korea, claims shot lmnop, noone has counterclaimed
-claims treehugger and verse are on same team
-argues a little with haster

my take? he starts off really pro-town, but then goes ahead and ruins it with an anonymous nuke on a probable pro-town player. as there's still no counter-claim i guess we might as well believe his claim to be legit..question is, what do we make of it?
i am actually leaning towards him being a third party. however, given that he (claims) has just one nuke, i can't fathom what his win condition is. of course an anonymous nuke would be a good way to start a nuclear shitstorm in an otherwise ordered game, so it could be win-by-tod. but of course this is a guess just like any other. i'm not comfortable calling him pro-town at all, and in fact leaning towards him being anti-town
**[yellow]*[/yellow]*
4/5


opz
i don't really want to go through all his posts but really, he can be summed up as either the ballsiest mafia ever or a mason.
*
1/5


amber
-votes for L due to inactive, continues attacking him for a bit
-nuking as pro-town
-wants inactives to come out, encourages discussion
-discourage nukes early on
-points out flaws in others' plans
-bounces off of L (saying L will be useful in the future.. an interesting change) onto abenson
-argues with rol after rol's nuke
-against tree.hugger nuke, but does want him dead via lynch. although once he was nuked, he wanted it to fall
-supports MAD (an interesting change from no-nuking although given the shitstorm that transpired maybe expected)

He, like d3 actually, boggles me. He does have a few interesting flip-flops, but in context they are somewhat expected. but he also started off (with me in fact) on the no nuking policy and i applaud him for that. of course lately he switched to supporing M.A.D which i think is retarded, but oh well.
I'm not comfortable calling him pro-town.. quite on edge.
**[yellow]*[/yellow]
3/5


caller
-screws around and spams early game without adding content
-votes for opz as a joke, then seemingly votes for bill as a joke
-claims has no anti-nukes (after rol shot him)
-..that's it

extremely inactive. mentioned something about sucking on day1 analysis, but daymn, this has been one hell of a day one. surely you'd have something to contribute by now
**[yellow]*[/yellow]

3/5 - i am not calling him pro-town mostly because he is not active AT ALL. by far one of the least active players in the game (alongside abenson i suppose although there may be PMs going on there), and while he hasn't done anything wrong.. that's only because he hasn't done anything! Start talking already.

haster
-argues plans and works with L/zona. supports revenge-nuking instead of revenge-lynching though
-thinks mafia will not lurk due to modkill policy
-agrees with revenge-lynch though
-does not want people to vote for L
-votes rol
-an interesting post "o god i wish PM were allowed in this game"
-freaks out over idiots
-wants L's nuke stopped, johnny's not
-suspect list:
Versatile
tree.hugger
Xelin
-continues to argue, raise discussion, get people involved

i really like this guy. i think he's definitely playing pro-town, and am comfortable calling him town aligned. not as much as say opz or abenson but he's definitely a good player to have imo
*
1/5

elemenope
ok i'll be honest, i don't want to bother reading his walls of texts, which he has been exclusively posting. this post is already taking way too long. personally, i took him off my suspects list when he got nuked by north korea because i don't feel like NK is town-aligned. however, his posts (the ones that i have skimmed) have been reasonably helpful, at least at first glance. he is also fairly active, which is always an asset to the town. i would say just BREAK UP YOUR DAMN POSTS MAN (and yes i know, pot calling kettle black, but i never post walls of text, this is like my first one)
**
2/5


infundi
-for revenge-lynch, against lynching L
-votes rol, suspects d3, tree, xelin
-folows a no-nuke policy
-supports lmnop, and actually thought tree might flip green given the chaos that transpired

overall pretty good record i feel, just not that active. still, i feel he may be a bored townie rather than a lurking mafia
**
2/5


zona
i don't want to go into detail on this guy, but suffice to say he has been driving discussion (barring his one afk spell for a day or 2), suggesting plans, and having generally well-reasoned arguments. he's one of the most pro-town players in this game, and noticeable too.
*
1/5


fishball
-votes L without much reasoning, but changes to rol as per town plan
-heavily argues with L
-suggests that we are chasing ghosts
-aligned with me on the nuking situation

i would be a lot less suspicious of him if he were a) more active b) not on the L list. i feel quite strongly that there has to be mafia on that list, especially since L flipped town, it would've been in their interests to knock him out. on the other hand, he hasn't done anything wrong per se.. but like caller, it's mostly because he hasn't done anything! i would give him a 3/5 like caller, but alas he is on the L list, which knocks him up a notch

**[yellow]*[/yellow]*
4/5

iaaan
-against lynching L
-for rol's nuke hitting
-wants johnny and L to die, and lynch tree.hugger
-has a big logic flaw where if L is green, tree.hugger has to die
-supports shooting down anonymous nuke
-suspects both BM and L
-"i want all nukes in the air to fall because none of the players are confirmed townies" another logic flaw
-also wants verse to die


this set off some flags when i was skimming through his posts. it seems like this guy wants a lot of people dead, and quick. a townie wouldn't be so triggerhappy in my opinion, as deaths + votelists are more useful than just deaths. hell, at the end of this day, we still have just one vote list, although we DO still have a crapload of information. either way, this one is a major suspect for me

*[yellow]*[/yellow]**
5/5


meeple
-not particularly against L dying, but prefers others
-points out nemy and in general the concept of mafia riding bandwagons
-tries to stay neutral in the various ad hominem arguments
-suspects iaaan
-agrees with lynching verse
-glad anonymous nuke was shot down
-his suspect list:
Iaaan
Caller
d3-cres
Amber

overall, he stays interestingly in the background and is not so active. however, he's active enough to stay alive. overall his suspect list is pretty decent, and as i'm going through this, i will probably come up with something similar. undecided on this fella,

**[yellow]*[/yellow]
3/5


verse
i've outlined many reasons for why i believe verse is mafia. she has started chaos, launched two nukes at now confirmed townies. however, she managed to stay alive through a nuke, which i don't know what to make of (this i have also outlined)

still, i am leaning towards non-town aligned, although not as heavily, as say iaaan
*[yellow]*[/yellow]*
4/5

nikon
this kid's retarded, i do hope zona gets saved. i might be blinded by my trust of zona, but seriously dude, what the hell were you thinking. either way, i have outlined this guy earlier, so i'll just paste that here:
Nikon
-against early nukes
-for lynch-the-nuker plan.
-randomly suggests a 3rd mason in opz/abenson circle
-a little ad hominem vs bill murray
-wants xelin dead

well, aside from that there's not too much substance in his posts. and of course there aren't that many posts to begin with (24 i believe after the /confirm post). however the points he has made (or rather, agreed with) have been pro-town. I'm leaning towards the fact that nikon is town-aligned, but i feel there's something odd. most importantly i notice that he hasn't actually contributed much more beyond agreeing with pro-town plans. i still feel it's not a big deal, it's just that his random "zona is red" and hinting at his desire to nuke zona made me raise an eyebrow. what do you guys (and nikon in particular) think?
my take is he's town-aligned, but as long as we still have day, might as well keep discussing, n'est pas?


i just don't understand why he would nuka zona. do. not. get. it. if before i would rate him 2-3/5, that nuke definitely brings him up a point to 3-4/5

*[yellow]*[/yellow]*
4/5

abenson
same deal as opz
*
1/5


nemy
-against lynching L
-votes bill, then to rol as per town plan
-..that's it?

not very active, falls into the caller/infundi territory. be more active, dammit


**[yellow]*[/yellow]
3/5





My final lists:
tier1 suspects:
iaaan
verse

tier2 suspects:
nikon
xelin
d3
fishball

inactives/possible lurking mafia:
caller
infundi
nemy

likely townies:
zona
haster27
abenson
opz
elemenope

undecided:
amber
meeple


Course of action?
what can i say..i need opinions of others, and i am most definitely looking for defenses of the people i have pointed fingers at. reactions, own analysis. CREATE HISTORY. WE NEED IT.
[/QUOTE]

Get your facts straight please and don't hurl unnecessary insults please, one Versatile is enough -.-;;

a oneliner? really? that's all i get?
i'm gonna rage i swear to god. well, ok
let me calm down a sec



Hullo Nikon ol' chap.
Be a good sport and reply to my analysis won't you! Jolly good show and all that, what!
Toodle pip.
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JeeJee
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Canada5652 Posts
March 30 2010 17:21 GMT
#1481
well this thread has gone quiet..
we are allowed to talk during the night, right?
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JeeJee
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Canada5652 Posts
March 30 2010 20:21 GMT
#1487
siiiiiiiiiilent night...
hoooooooooooooooly night

all is calm.....
all is bright..
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JeeJee
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Canada5652 Posts
March 31 2010 13:21 GMT
#1544
Ok, let's talk

I will talk about the killings later, obviously it sucks, and there's obviously a 3rd party or a vigi role in the game. But, i'm a selfish man and I will talk about myself first (you will see why).

First, I'm surprised I lived through the night. I did not take a hit. However, I wasn't left alone. Two things happened to me..

(1) My nuke(s) were stolen.
Now, this is a cute one, did not expect this. What country is famous for cocaine and coffee? Colombia. This is the one that stole my warhead(s). I'm not sure how that helps us, but that's that. No more nukes from shinbi, so if you guys want day extensions, I'm all yours.

(2) I was roleblocked
This is funny, because I talked to Ace before writing this up, and he confirmed that I do not have to have a role to receive the roleblock PM. Moreover, they do not get confirmation whether any night action of mine was blocked. Thus, if the RB'er wanted to figure out whether I have a role or not, they have failed. Also, I'm going to assume this is mafia's doing, as I've never seen a townie nor 3rd party get such a role.

Now, I'm in a bit of a rush this morning, but thought I'd spit these 2 info out for you guys to chew on. I'll be back in a bit to comment on xelin's idiocy and the nightkills in general.
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JeeJee
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Canada5652 Posts
March 31 2010 18:38 GMT
#1564
Ok, now that I've had some time to think a bit more..


@Infundi, among others
Here's why I believe there is a 3rd party in this game.

Let's consider the obvious one: two kills. I'm going to roll with the assumption that Ace meant mafia can kill *only* one player per night, so we have a vigi or SK situation here. Usually, at least in previous TL games, vigi's cannot hit night1. Of course this isn't exactly like previous TL games, but it is something to consider.. Plus, I disagree that Ace did not mention 3rd parties; actually he specifically laid out "if there exist third parties, they will have their own win conditions". Sure the "all countries are divided into 2 sides" kind of contradicts that, but Ace couldn't very well write much else, could he? "into 2 sides, or possibly more" is a little silly, imo.

The other thing to consider is that (going by haster's reasoning that meeple was mafia's and amber was not) if amber were a vigi's target, it would have to be a pretty bad vigi. Of all people, amber's not exactly pro-town sure, but he doesn't stand out as much as say, iaaan (mr. i-want-everyone-dead).

Now, let's take a look at the lists I have proposed earlier
+ Show Spoiler [lists] +

My final lists:
tier1 suspects:
iaaan
verse

tier2 suspects:
nikon
xelin
d3
fishball

inactives/possible lurking mafia:
caller
infundi
nemy

likely townies:
zona
haster27
abenson
opz
elemenope

undecided:
amber
meeple



We can see that my entire undecided list is gone, which I guess makes things easier for me in terms of classifying players. personally, my take is that among my tier1-2, there probably is 2-3 mafia, and the others are hiding in the inactives list (as many have pointed out caller and nemy are prime suspects from that list).

I don't buy the arguments that zona is mafia, sorry. Main reason? They're not arguments!! They're "feelings" "hunches", in other words things-to-ignore. Make a decent argument, please (although I guess having the nuke flying renders that request a little moot)


Now, I just f5'd the thread..
Xelin, I'm really interested in the reasonings behind your suspicions. On my end, I've gone through all of their posts and analyzed them in context of the knowledge we had at the time, summarized them and laid out my conclusions. The conclusions I came to is the top 3 players you suspect are in fact "likely townies" on my list.
Care to lay out your reasons, so that we may debate this (as I feel this is a very important issue, especially given the triggerhappy fingers we have here *cough*)?
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JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
March 31 2010 19:05 GMT
#1569
ok, fair enough. I hope you can see how I disagree with your reasonings on zona, as you yourself have admitted they're little more than a hunch. I do find it odd that you suspect him for basically arguing for no nuking but don't point a finger at me, as I was (and still am) probably the biggest proponent of "say no to nukes" due primarily to tod. in fact I was the one that suggested changing the revenge-nuke into revenge-lynch plan. I guess i didn't set off your hunch detector, which is the entire point of my counter-argument .. me and zona should be equally suspicious on your radar according to your reason, and yet only one of us you bring up.

re:haster, was this recent? I dont recall him vs you, although i do know you were on his suspect list along with verse and tree.hugger.. i will dig up the posts

re: lmnop, his inactivity is interesting, yes. definitely raised a flag in my mind. i would wait and see how this trend continues, although as fishball said, his vote on you isn't really a surprise given your nuke

re:verse i guess this is the only one we agree on, so not much to say there.
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JeeJee
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Canada5652 Posts
March 31 2010 19:08 GMT
#1570
one more thing i'd like to bring up for you xelin.. you seem fairly convinced of nikon being townie (and in fact seem to share his views as you've both nuked zona), i'm just wondering why this is?
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JeeJee
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Canada5652 Posts
April 01 2010 01:35 GMT
#1605
ok, i think i've waited long enough
k listen up
here is the alive list
+ Show Spoiler [list] +

# d3_crescentia
# JeeJee
# Xelin
# ~Opz~
# Caller
# haster27
# Elemenope
# iNfuNdiBuLuM
# Zona
# Fishball
# Iaaan
# Versatile
# Nikon
# Abenson
# nemy


the following people have voted for xelin:
Versatile
Elemenope
Infundibulum
~Opz~
haster27
Abenson
Iaaan
(bear with me for a sec opz, i know you changed your vote)

that means (excluding myself and xelin):

d3
caller
zona
fishball
nikon
nemy

the above people probably have read the thread (it's been almost a day), and probably consciously decided not to vote for xelin. why is this? just inactivity/laziness? i think there is something else here..

if xelin were mafia, then his buddies wouldn't be so hasty as to jump onto the wagon to get him to majority. then again, if it seems the town is hell-bent on lynching him, they would not argue against it, and probably jump on the wagon later (hi iaaan) to save their skins, if it seemed to be a sure thing with or without their votes

maybe i'm just reading too much into the inactivity (as, let's face it, the drowsy trio of d3 caller and nemy are on that list), or maybe we have something here?

what do you think
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Canada5652 Posts
April 01 2010 01:37 GMT
#1607
speaking of the drowsy trio, hi d3

why the vote for caller? so far i'm reading "based on rol's hunch". I do hope your thinking process was more involved than that.
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Canada5652 Posts
April 01 2010 13:37 GMT
#1686
oh what fresh hell is this

anyway, it's very simple to confirm both fishball and caller, i don't see what the fuss is about

THIS IS MY PLAN. point out flaws please, we are on a time crunch here.
have fishball track caller again, and have caller check someone suspicious (i vote iaaan). if caller visits iaaan and iaaan doesn't die, and is confirmed by fishball, we're gravy.

of course the problem is mafia hitting either one of the two. my take is we probably DO have another medic somewhere (medics are less imba than people give them credit for.. a medic that doesn't save anyone is basically a townie, and it's hard as fuck to save people), so decide who you're gonna prot, either fishball or caller. remember mafia have just one KP, and if they want to kill either one, they basically have a 50% chance to waste ALL of their KP. i doubt they'll take the risk with other good targets for them out there.

so that means when we're in day3, we are golden, and i guess we can start lmnop's roleclaim-based plan assuming he lives through the night (why not post it now?)

obviously if our medic is focused on fishball/caller, i'm probably going to end up biting it, but i'm sure when we finally get organized, have 2 confirmed blues on top of two masons, and a rolecheck on a very suspicious person, we can start turning this ship around.

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JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
April 02 2010 18:38 GMT
#1726
On April 02 2010 21:13 Abenson wrote:
Alright
I have an announcement:
Someone stole nuke(s) from me
They left behind coffee beens and used cocaine needles


bingo, we have confirmation from a townie that colombia is a nuke thief.

ALSO SOMETHING MAJOR

SOMEONE REALLY WANTS NIKON TO DIE

think about it
if meeple and nikon were switched as per caller's claim, and meeple died that means NIKON WAS TARGETTED
and then nikon takes a hit again tonight

do we have another indirectly confirmed townie? bada-bing, ball is rollin' mafia.

we need caller's actions this night.
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JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
April 03 2010 18:53 GMT
#1781
hey abenson, would you like to confirm: you swapped your nukes to opz (i assume a mason ability) BEFORE they were stolen by colombia? i just want to get the story straight, plus colombia already knows whether they got anything from u i imagine.

also, i highly doubt SK will come out. it's an absolutely silly thing to think about. SK is third party, with own win conditions (like be the last one standing). if SK comes out, SK cannot win. right now, SK has a chance to win, however small it may be, as SK has to start killing mafia THIS NIGHT otherwise he's screwed by numbers.

i mean, consider:
12 players alive, 1 sk, let's say 5 mafia and 6 townies
1-5-6

if sk hits a townie and we mislynch, WE LOSE

if it's a 1-4-7 split, same scenario leads us to a lylo situation

we can't fuck this day up up. THIS IS IMPORTANT.
no random votes (i.e. infundi..). write out EVERYTHING that was a factor in your conclusion. if it take you 30 minutes, suck it up and write it out.
for myself, i will wait for the nuke to fall, as the same-role-but-different-abilities thing makes me raise an eyebrow.
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JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
April 03 2010 19:59 GMT
#1788
for the record, i also have no nukes after colombia, so if we need another extension, i'm good for it

@infundi, maybe random wasn't the best choice of words. i meant not well justified because your only argument is caller has been under town suspicion for a while, which, given our track record, doesn't mean shit. hell, xelin and verse, both of which were suspected by town (and were on my tier1-2 lists too) have flipped innocent

i'm still confident that that list has to house several mafia; particularly i'm looking at the nikon/iaaan duo. as we know iaaan has been on my suspect list for a while for wanting everybody dead (more details in my large post back on like pg76 or something). in fact he's my #1 suspect. however nikon has been on my tier2 as well. and this whole same-role-with-different-abilities claim has brought them back into the spotlight. i have an idea, but have to play with the numbers some more before posting it
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Canada5652 Posts
April 03 2010 23:07 GMT
#1793
On April 04 2010 08:04 Abenson wrote:
I'll just nuke Someone again if we run out of time


one nuke per day =o
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