World at War Mafia - Page 115

On April 10 2010 06:33 citi.zen wrote:
This is just to call you bull-shit. Since you are certain I am lying, you should have no fear to retaliate.

Are we finally on the same page JeeJee?

On April 10 2010 09:12 haster27 wrote:
Oh shit. JeeJee, why in the world did you nuke citizen? Now he can throw another - but very real - retaliation nuke against you. I am not impressed at how nukes are suddenly messing up the entire discussion.

On April 10 2010 09:14 JeeJee wrote:


no he can't, he's full of shit.

On April 10 2010 01:20 JeeJee wrote:


this still stands unanswered by opz, which irks me the most because this is what i base my whole argument on citizen's lynch about.
it has been standing unanswered this entire time, even after i started ignoring all of my other points/queries in an effort to get your official stance on this one so there is no confusion with other points, yet somehow this still remains unanswered.
please please PLEASE answer this. give me your official statement here. I have done my best to answer every single thing about my position and i believe i have done so. please return the favor by answering this one thing

On April 10 2010 09:20 haster27 wrote:

does it mean he literally can't, or he won't? I am fairly confident about the chance of lynching Caller, so citizen going kamikaze is the least thing I want.

On April 10 2010 09:21 ~OpZ~ wrote:

IF we LYNCH LMNOP AND HE IS MAFIA, like I've proved, THEN THERE WE GO. We know Citizens color. Lynching LMNOP PROVIDES JUST AS MUCH INFORMATION as Caller, Citizen.

On April 10 2010 02:51 JeeJee wrote:
hold on let me get this straight
if we're in lylo, lmnop has to be mafia, and if we're not, it's okay if we fuck up since it's not lylo?
my question is, why do you ignore a lying roleclaimer in favor of someone who may not be mafia at all, just because if he isn't, we can make a mistake? do you realize this means this time next day will be the same except we will have one less townie arguing? and instead of 1/3 town being mafia, it will be almost half?

@citizen i have all the answers to that post; i am surprised you misinterpretted my position yet again, but i have to run to a meeting. i will be back in 1hr10min +/-10min, well before any nuke deadline. so BE HERE

On April 10 2010 03:36 haster27 wrote:

Where did lylo come from? I thought ~OpZ~ said LMNOP was Mafia no matter either citizen or Caller was lying, which makes him a perfect compromise. Hell, you even agreed he has to be Mafia if Caller is correct:



Currently there are 4 Mafia 5 Townie. (44.4%)
Next day there will be 3 Mafia 4 Townie. (42.9%)

Where did 1/3 and half the Town argument come from? (unless I am failing at numbers again.) Moreover, the fact that Town has to vote together does not change, and getting four Townies to agree with each other will definitely be easier than getting five Townies to agree with each other.

However, I agree with your statement that it is beneficial to get Caller/citizen issue resolved now- and I am eagerly waiting how laaan and d3_cresentia will place his vote. Hopefully it will be enough to break this stalemate.

On April 10 2010 05:06 d3_crescentia wrote:
Since the discussion earlier today has been all about Citizen/Caller, here's what I'm thinking. Citizen's PGO claim doesn't make any sense in consideration of what PGO usually is, and I'm thinking that there's some other hidden something to his role. On the other hand, we have Caller, who has spouted a bunch of BS about how he's Israel/Japan/Bratislava/whatever, as well as being an Insane Cop. I'm not sure of Caller's true alignment, since he might easily be mafia making shit up about people - and because he's an alignment cop he would have the information about who is town/not if he were mafia, since alignment cops don't get any details on roles.

Then we've got the heat thrown on Elemenope. If anyone has any questions regarding my anti-nuke, it's because 1) we had an anonymous North Korean nuke (which I thought was a RED attack) and 2) he had been posting fairly town-aligned up until recently. Now that things have changed, well, who knows what he could actually be.

If the argument between citizen/Caller is going to go on any further, here's what I suggest: citizen will attempt to nuke Caller/Elemenope, and if he's PGO (by his description) I'm guessing we're still going to go through the motions of nuclear launch, but it'll land a dud. If Caller attempts to pull any crazy BS, we'll simply either 1) lynch him or 2) anti-nuke if he decides to nuke.

Yes, I'm quite aware this plan is going to raise ToD... but the problem is that we can't afford to NOT nuke at this point in time. The town needs 100% accuracy over the next 4 days if we're going strictly by lynching. I'm assuming we have 3 nukes until we hit the Danger Zone, and unless Ace is going to dick us over hard then WE need to make use of these last three.

One more thing - in a normal mafia game, the town would have lost by now, even with 100% lynch accuracy. It's only because we have nukes/special roles that we're still here.

So, my question - what happens when citizen attempts to nuke Caller? The day gets extended by another 24 hours, but a normal missile falls? Or does citizen implode on himself?

Let's shift gears for a second here, back to the player list:

CONFIRMED:
~OpZ~ [Canada, Mason]
Abenson [United Kingdom, Mason]
d3_crescentia [Sweden, Town-aligned] - I'm confirming myself

UNCONFIRMED
Caller (Israel/Japan, INSANE Alignment Cop)
citizen (China, Paranoid Gun Owner)

JeeJee (???, Town-aligned?)
haster27 (Portugal, Townie)
Elemenope (Vietnam, Townie)
Iaaan (Antarctica, Veteran)

The unclaimed:
- Colombia, Nuke Stealer
- Unknown, Bus Driver
- Unknown, Roleblocker

First thing - JeeJee needs to step up and claim, so this list is complete. The next five on the list are immediately suspect. We can remove Caller/citizen right now since that's who we're discussing currently, so that leaves us with haster27/Elemenope/Iaaan. My gut feeling is that one of these is actually our Colombian nuke-stealer.

Iaaan's claim as Veteran has been virtually uncontested since we lynched Nikon, though this is something that we actually CAN confirm, were it not for our radiation levels - but at least we it's possible to actually account for this, if we need to confirm him. I'm thinking we actually DO need to confirm him, since his claim effectively takes him off as a nuke target. But given the amount of lying that's gone down in this game so far it's entirely possible that his role is completely different (i.e. scum).

My suspects at this point in time: haster27, Elemenope, Iaaan... and one of Caller/citizen.

I'd like to reserve my vote until the last moment, so... ##vote: abstain

On April 10 2010 08:30 citi.zen wrote:
It's not armed. In retrospect I should have nuked a 3rd party and then asked Jeejee to nuke me. Perhaps it's not too late, if Flamewheel rules we were "on hold" and that action should not count. I could Nuke OpZ to give him another option to retaliate, then jeejee would nuke me and put his money where his mouth is.

On April 10 2010 09:17 haster27 wrote:
Warning: Citizen, I know you are frustrated, but seeing as now you can launch retaliation nuke against JeeJee, I will have to warn you as precaution. If you launch another nuke toward JeeJee I will be forced to abandon my defense of you completely. Also please confirm that the nuke you just robbed was fake because possibility of you lying about your ability still somewhat exists.