EPTModkilling me was a complete breach of your position as a host. If you're asking for a ban for me, I want a ban for you too.
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Modkilling me was a complete breach of your position as a host. If you're asking for a ban for me, I want a ban for you too. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25559 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Should I have posted in the thread? No. But it's the equivalent of you slapping me in the face, and then I went and slapped you in the face. Should I have indulged in face slapping? No. But the only reason I did so was because I was unbelievably wronged by your initial face slapping. Something you're not taking into due account. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
the only reason I posted in the thread was because i was modkilled for something that hadn't broken any rules whatsoever. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25559 Posts
The part that's not okay is where you think this takes precedent over other people's ability to play the game. When you get modkilled, you don't post a big rant in the game thread. If you confronted me in PMs, or in the thread in the post-game, I would not ask for a ban for you. In fact, I explicitly was not planning on banning you before you made your post in the thread. Perhaps my decision to modkill you was not correct; but that is beside that point that you decided your ranting and game-relevant info posting, after being modkilled, took precedent over letting the game continue. That is not acceptable. I feel like I've staked out my position reasonably clearly here. I understand that you disagree, and in a way I consider that part of my position. I'm sorry, my friend. E:  | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
the only reason i lost it in the thread was because i was modkilled having not broken any rules. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
I did not flame you continuously, I told you to get out my quicktopic repeatedly. You kept posting in a private quicktopic, and I told you to go away. You then threatened to modkill me, and I said it would make a mockery of your game if you did, and you modkilled me and made a mockery of your game. You're at best an interfering host, at worst a flat out liar. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25559 Posts
I was upset and angry and thought the modkill was unjustified. You know what I did? I' waited until the game was over and talked it out here in the ban list thread. I did this because, despite the fact that I thought iGrok modkilled me undeservedly, I respected the rules of the game as best I could. Percieving an unjustice or being mad didn't cause me to throw it all out the window and try to ruin it for others... | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25559 Posts
On May 19 2013 04:05 marvellosity wrote: Also your post that you quoted on the last page is full of flagrant lies. I did not flame you continuously, I told you to get out my quicktopic repeatedly. You kept posting in a private quicktopic, and I told you to go away. You then threatened to modkill me, and I said it would make a mockery of your game if you did, and you modkilled me and made a mockery of your game. You're at best an interfering host, at worst a flat out liar. You know what, it's embarassing that I have to share this (since I don't like being flamed to the point of reacting poorly and modkilling you) but here's the quicktopic link for those who want to know the whole story. Wait wtf did it get deleted or what? Did you really delete the QT just so you could lie about its contents? Here's where it used to be... http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/RmYmrM4zuY4v hey, and you thought I was being paranoid about wanting to be the host of the QT so it couldn't be deleted, yet here we are... E: On May 19 2013 04:07 marvellosity wrote: I played in Area 53, you were modkilled for being an asshole to me all game, basically. the point is, I thought the modkill was unjustified, but I didn't think that gave my license to ruin the game. I didn't post in the game thread, I waited until it was over, then I discussed it with igrok in the ban list thread. Despite my protestations, I was banned, but hey, life moves on. No games ruined, no grudges held. Igrok and I are now bros and we play dota together. I was wrong. But at the time, I thought I was right and I didn't decide that gave me the right to post after being modkiled. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Your point about Area 53 is bad, because if you read the rules, quite clearly you could be interpreted as breaking them, the same is not true here. There has been plenty of talk within this thread about how bans are not giving out for punishing for the sake of punishing, but so that the player in question can learn a lesson. What lesson are you suggesting I learn from this? I've played 40 games on TL Mafia and I've never once posted game-changing information in a thread after I died or was modkilled. It's not a lesson I need to be taught. Or is the 2 game lesson I need to learn is that when a host fucks around in my QT, goes on an ego trip and modkills me despite not breaking any rules, I shouldn't post in the thread? You really need I think a 2-game to 'learn' this? Is that your contention? One more thing - it shouldn't even matter whether the QT exists, because the very fact we were arguing with me in a quicktopic is a complete mockery of what you're supposed to be doing as a host. Why is a host arguing in a private quicktopic at all? Why did you even make a single post there? You should not have been posting in the quicktopic. at all. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
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Blazinghand
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marvellosity
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jampidampi
Finland386 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 19 2013 06:47 Ace wrote: You cant threaten to make a mockery of the host's game if you're banned, actually do it, and not expect punishment. You may not care but several players in that game felt cheated (Palmar most notably). Your actions directly ruined the game. Stop trying to make your behavior after being modkilled seem legit. No, you misunderstand, I said BH would make a mockery of the game if he modkilled me for no reason, which he did. It wasn't a passive threat. My point was that if i was modkilled even though i broke no rules, then the game is stupid, not that I'd post like an ass afterwards. I also don't claim that what I did was right, and it wasn't legit, but it WAS provoked. The situation wouldn't have arisen in the first place if I hadn't been modkilled for reasons other than BH's ego. Again, what are you suggesting I learn from a ban, other than the fact that I shouldn't play in games where the host modkills because he's on his period? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
BH said he changed his rules to allow you to have your own QT eventually. You say he has an ego. Whatever. Right or wrong once you post in the thread after modkill you've stepped over a line. The reason posting after death is looked on unfavorably is because of rare situations like this where your actions could ruin the game for others. That is the issue I don't think you are grasping. If you feel BH caused you to react it still doesn't excuse you for ruining the game for the other players. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On May 19 2013 07:02 marvellosity wrote: Again, what are you suggesting I learn from a ban, other than the fact that I shouldn't play in games where the host modkills because he's on his period? Marv, this isn't the first time that you made a big deal out of a reasonable request from the host. In Personality Mafia 2, you didn't format your parity cop check correctly in the thread, I asked you to fix it, and you requested to be modkilled if I was serious. I was serious, but I let it go figuring marv was just being marv. If there is something to learn, maybe it is that you should follow the hosts rules no matter how silly they may seem because its his game. The rule to not past after being modkilled has been around for years. I think it did have an impact on the game, even if you didn't mean it to. Still love you, but with this being the second time you've been modkilled in a short period, I think sitting out a couple weeks and coming back good as new is reasonable. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 19 2013 07:11 Ace wrote: I don't know what you'd learn - you've been playing here long enough to know what not to do so that point is moot. Maybe banning you from games would have an effect, maybe it won't. But you're in here arguing over it so I guess it already has. BH said he changed his rules to allow you to have your own QT eventually. You say he has an ego. Whatever. Right or wrong once you post in the thread after modkill you've stepped over a line. The reason posting after death is looked on unfavorably is because of rare situations like this where your actions could ruin the game for others. That is the issue I don't think you are grasping. If you feel BH caused you to react it still doesn't excuse you for ruining the game for the other players. No, I get that. My problem, which I alluded to earlier, is this - I'm getting all the shtick here, when the situation wasn't created by me. should i have posted like that in the thread? no. would i ever have had cause to have posted in the thread like that if i hadn't been modkilled for breaking no rules because Blazing was invading my QT for no reason? also no. it seems like a gross incarriage of justice that a ban is being called for me, when the whole situation only arose because I was unfairly treated in the first place. like, I wouldn't have had the OPPORTUNITY to do what I did if I wasn't modkilled for... telling the host to get out of a QT he had no business being in? do you understand where i'm coming from? | ||
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