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3. As soon as one mafia family falls down to 2 or fewer members, they've essentially lost the game- they cannot win, because either they will be wiped out (the other mafia family wins), or they will reduce the other mafia family to 1-2 members in which case the Town wins. What incentive is there for this mafia family to keep playing, considering they cannot win? Will they have some kind of secondary objective, like a consolation prize? e.g. maybe a secondary objective of theirs would be to not be wiped out, in which case once they fall down to 2 members, they have to push for a Town win rather than let the other mafia family win. This is a very good question. | ||
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On February 10 2010 05:53 sidesprang wrote: maybe they retire as mafia and join the townies ?  So in the end the victory objective for the mafia changes to... killing the entire town? I don't see it... + Show Spoiler + I guess we could have 2, or even 3 families who are unaware of each other, but they should still aim to kill the town, no? | ||
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On February 10 2010 09:58 Incognito wrote: If the town is eliminated, then yes, it is true that the mafia with more members automatically wins. However, it is unlikely that all the townies will die before the mafia because the KP is under the mafia's control. The mafia do not know all the roles, so it is difficult for them to target only townspeople. Right, it is indeed unlikely all townspeople would be killed. I was only responding to this: On February 10 2010 07:03 Ver wrote: 3. The Mafia family can still kill off the town and then kill the other family. That ain't gonna work. | ||
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On February 11 2010 00:33 flamewheel91 wrote: Oh dude, unfortunately incog... I'm a "him" not a her haha. Quiet "free". + Show Spoiler + Kidding, sorry about the spelling last game. I kept it up for a while too! | ||
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On February 12 2010 07:55 tree.hugger wrote: I think it'll be nice to have a game where half the people and nearly all the blues aren't inactive... Lies. We're already on page 7. | ||
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1. I will run for office. If you did not follow Incognito's last game, click here for my quals. No fancy slogans or banners. All I can tell you is that, as a rule, I trust nobody, regardless of previous game history or in-game behavior. As an example, in my last game, I kept a vigilante on call just in case meeple (the mayor) was red. At that point we had a single unidentified mafia alive and 11 townies (I think). Furthermore, meeple had already been of great help catching many of the mafia. Still, I had no way of knowing 100% that this wasn't all some devious mafia plot, so I kept the vigilante hit available. This is how I play. 2. I don't agree with Ver/Ace's contention that analyzing clues helps the mafia. Don't get me wrong, I do think it will probably not lead to correct lynches on days 1 or 2, but it will force the mafia to leave a paper trail and provide us with mid-game behavioral clues. Recognizing that was a somewhat atypical experience, that thick paper trail helped a lot in the last game. An example from this thread: the exchange between L and Ace could be very useful at some point. The conversation started from L talking about clues. That small "hook" created juicy thread. So analyze/talk/argue away I say. | ||
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On February 14 2010 13:14 Chezinu wrote: I think it will be nearly impossible for town to get a mayor role unless the mafia allow it. So please mafia, can you let me get elected? LOL - good point. I guess my prior game credentials help with townies but hurt with mafia. Oh well. | ||
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On February 14 2010 21:13 Ver wrote: It seems pretty apparent that the mafia are lazy and just waiting on us to waste lynches on innocents. They don't really have any reason to contribute and it's pretty clear that the people posting real contributions are innocent (I'm too tired to make a list atm sorry) while the mafia just post a bit of garbage and/or sit around. What is your take on L and Zato-1's clue analysis then? Ace seemed to find them very interesting than that: On February 14 2010 11:45 Ace wrote: Like Ver said, talking too much about clues early is USELESS. Don't try to convince anyone that someone is Mafia based on clues for the first few days. It's nice to mention it, but do not make it a central point of focus. MTF and Camlito are the best 2 clue analyzers along with Plexa that we ever had. That was in Mafia 2 and it took a ton of planning + input from various people to even come to some of those conclusions. Chances are you won't be able to do much with clues this game unless you've got some additional proof. What I mean by this is catch someone on behavior analysis + clues + shoddy voting or motives. Saying "this clue points to Ace" is just stupid. Knowing this, I'm not surprised LL and Zato -1 are already accusing me. Look people, especially for you new players - I'm one of the biggest targets in any Mafia game. Every time. I'm super valuable. I catch people in lies all the time and I always save townies from the obvious bandwagon deaths. L and Zato may not have blatantly accused me but they just planted a seed of suspicion on me of all people, based on some wild clues. Be very wary of light weight accusations like this. Ace clearly says he is "not surprised" to be a target, since he is a known threat to the mafia (if he is innocent, of course). There is an implication that veteran players should know better than to go on clues so early, so veterans pointing fingers at him are presumably ill-intentioned and deliberate. Ver, on record, do you view this as background noise from both Ace and L? As I mentioned before, I personally do think we need to do some careful clue analysis. Unfortunately it will have to wait on my end, on weekends I barely have any time during the day. It sort of sucks that we have to vote by the end of today... but there will be other days I suppose. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Mafia 1: Sure enough, the two horsemen began slowly approaching the town. They did not rush across the field, but drifted in and out of the shadows, taking cover from the shadows cast by the clouds. Dreamflower became more nervous, and pointed her gun out the window, waiting for the horsemen to approach. However, she was startled as she noticed a figure walking towards the horsemen. She breathed a sigh of relief when she recognized Qatol. But what was Qatol doing out so late at night? Dreamflower was puzzled, but was snapped back into reality as she noticed the horsemen were only a football field away from her location. Thinking quickly, she decided not to fire a shot, but ran outside to get Qatol to safety. She tried to run in the shadows, but was caught in the middle of the road as the moon pierced through the cloud layer and shone directly on her. The horses neighed, and the first horseman charged dreamflower, spear aimed low at her gut. Dreamflower was blinded from the moonlight that reflected off the horseman, and was a little slow to react. She leaped to the left, and narrowly avoided death. But the second horseman just cackled loudly. Noticing Qatol sneak quietly into the barn to his right, he charged and leaped through the thin walls of the barn, landing straight on Qatol, who died instantly. In a panic, dreamflower ran back into her house to grab her gun, but it was futile. The ground felt moist, and dreamflower slipped as she ran through her front door. The house immediately combusted into flames as a torch flew through the window, igniting the oil-soaked residence. dreamflower’s last thoughts were confusion, for she thought that the torch flew through the window opposite the two horsemen. Mafia 2: Incognito was almost falling asleep standing up, but then noticed a house in flames in the distance. Immediately taking action, he raced down stairs and called up Kennigit to take care of the incident. By the time that both Kennigit and Incognito were racing towards dreamflower’s burning house, there was more commotion in the streets. Panicked citizens walked out of their houses to figure out what was happening, but they quickly retreated back to the safety of their homes once they heard gunshots and a hyena-like noise outside. The mayor and pardoner stopped in the town square, pausing for a moment to come up with a plan. But no plan would arise. The crazed psychopathic noises approached swiftly, and Incognito had no time to react as a shadowy figure leapt from a roof above and ripped his head off, still laughing as it raced down another alley leading out of the town square. Kennigit had time to get his thoughts together, and swiftly chased after the figure. But his path was suddenly blocked by one of the horsemen. Fearing that his end was near, Kennigit hid behind a barrel of wine, and was astonished that the horseman did not pursue him. However, at the end of the alleyway, he noticed a light getting brighter and brighter in magnitude. He heard a scowl, as the horseman turned around and fled the other way, riding as if he were either blinded or drunk. Kennigit emerged from behind the wine barrel, thinking that an angel had saved the town. Unfortunately, Kennigit did not find favor from the now radiant creature, and exploded into a shower of blue light. A few moments later, however, and the town was once again consumed with darkness. Possible links to players, ordered by position on sign-up list: BloodyC0bbler - profile picture fits the 2nd killer, mafia 2 Ace - profile pic / mafia 1 killer 1 - Profile quote matches killer 2 mafia 2. + Show Spoiler + If darkness is bad, why does it hide you? If light is good, why does it blind you? - ItEndsInTears Empyrean - name etymology matches killer 2, Mafia 2 Amber[LighT] - weak connection to killer 2, mafia 2 via clan tag. Fishball - profile pick possible connection to killer 1, mafia 2 Zato-1 - weak quote connection to dreamflower's killer + Show Spoiler + 'Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both', indeed. Unless... the fire! It burns! IT BURNS! STAY AWAY FROM ME! Mystlord - profile pic could point to both dreamflower's killer and mafia 2, killer 2 CynanMachae - profile pic / killer 1, mafia 1 I will also mention that I do once again think we have mafia candidates, so please take a closer look at everyone on that list (again in the order of sign-up). I find all the "general theory of mafia" posts distracting at best, and maybe even counter-productive. Don't let anyone put thoughts in your head about how a game should or should not go, and don't "trust" other players based on prior reputation (yes, this goes for me as well, and also Ver, Ace, L or any other candidate). Also, remember this is a brand-new format. Demand hard evidence whenever possible, and if you don't have it don't share sensitive information. Pay attention to who votes for whom, and when. I still have no idea why Chezinu initiallybrought my name up repeatedly in this election. It makes me nervous when I see that sort of supposed "trust", especially from a veteran player who I never previously spoke to. + Show Spoiler + Other than this, as far as I can tell meaningless message: To: Chezinu [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: Whats up! Date: 2/10/10 11:18 We shall see. What makes yo think that? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Your going to on my team! Campaign section: Since a few people questioned my level of activity: I am generally much less active during weekends and a lot more active during the week, if/when things are slow at work. Weekends are spent with the wife/daughter, who I don't see that much during the week. Another good question about my candidacy is how it relates to the last mafia game. As stated above, I will be the first to recommend you remain cautious about everyone's past experience in mafia games, myself included. I am not promising any "pew-pew laser" solutions: there are none, unless the mafia screws up in a major way. If I get elected fine, otherwise good riddance, 51 players = nightmare for an official! | ||
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Ver: in my post yesterday I complained about people who only make “general theory of mafia” posts. That complaint referred to you and Ace in particular: smart players who simply stated they should be trusted based on past games and that they are awesome mafia catchers, yet do not make any serious attempt to help in this particular game. The many half-truths Ver had posted puzzled me. Then came Ver’s two posts on page 50. What joy: coherent and helpful thoughts on the current game, plus a good, ernest analysis on Empryean. Glad to finally see a better side of you, and agree with much of what you said. Empryean clearly matches clues + is somewhat shady with his posts. Ace: partly covered above - extremely frustrating posts from a smart/veteran player. In the same breath Ace argues clues are unreliable and we need to rely on posting behavior, only to immediately try to stifle any forum discussion with the “if you point your finger at me based on clues you must be mafia” argument, and the even more nonsensical follow-up “I set a trap, anyone who points a finger at me falls right into it”. How does this attitude help generate behavioral clues if nobody is allowed to talk about the clues? Combine this with the (perhaps too) strong clues linking Ace to both Mafia families, and Ace looks very shady to me. BloodyCobbler: too little history, but seems a bit too quiet and has a clue link. One to watch, but too little there for me to push the button at this time. redtooth: recklessly aggressive, quickly pointing fingers and pushing very hard for his election. Many of his arguments are not as strong as he seems to think/make them out, and his statement that “going with the town is spineless” makes me nervous if he is elected and acts on his own weird theories. That said, no clue link to him as far as I can tell, and the fact that he is putting himself out there with such abandon means he is most likely green/blue. L: similar to redtooth in his willingness to point fingers at people, but much less aggressive in his campaign. He is one to watch for the future to be sure, but right now I would not pull the trigger on lynching him if I had that power. Chezinu: if he is town purposely spamming it is very annoying, we’re already over 50 pages on day one. If he is red he is doing a good job I guess. In the end I don’t care, I would not mind seeing him gone, but he is not a top priority target I suppose. If I had to guess I would think this is exactly the reaction he is going for… so whatever. Bill Murray: in my opinion he is perfectly consistent with his behavior from game XVI, where he played very sloppy. He was a freaking DT, telling random people his role and how his clue-check turned, asking for medic protection on the forum and in private messages, and coming up with crazy theories he thought were golden. Nothing new under the sun as far as I am concerned so I doubt he is red. DoctorH: I cannot tell if this is mafia XVI 2.0 or him playing town. I am puzzled as to why he is going after Bill so aggressively. DrH was red in game XVI, yet Bill fucking confided in him through PMs that he was a DT and that I was clue-checked green. How can DrH not know/ignore the fact that Bill always makes mistakes galore? This makes DrH fishy to me, but in the end I am not yet ready to pull the trigger. Zato-1: shady posting behavior already covered by others and clue link to dreamflower’s killer. He is on the shortlist. Parting thoughts Last game convinced me that, thanks to the "no DT check" rule, I can never trust an elected official, even when they helped catch many mafiosi. This will be even more of an issue this time around, since mafia officials DO want to lynch/catch other mafia. Much as I like Ver’s recent posts, I therefore do not want him elected, but would instead put him on the “DT check shortlist” - he can be far more useful from that role. Per my analysis above, I will withdraw my vote for DrH - I just don’t get his very aggressive stance on Bill Murray. As things stand, I will probably vote for redtooth or L, hoping to get both of them elected. Bill Murray could be a 3rd choice, but given his past (and current?) blatant mistakes, I'd rather not go there. I would also like to hear more from veteran players who remain very quiet. Zona, Scamp and BloodyCobbler come to mind. In the meantime, as Ver said, the most useful thing we can do now is to try to advance the lit of suspects, and help DTs come up with people to role-check on night 1. | ||
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I am not going to explain my post person by person. Read my post and make up your own minds. Think critically, at this point nobody can "demonstrate" anything beyond doubt. | ||
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Dreamflower was blinded from the moonlight that reflected off the horseman, and was a little slow to react. - look at your profile pic. Kennigit emerged from behind the wine barrel, thinking that an angel had saved the town. Unfortunately, Kennigit did not find favor from the now radiant creature, and exploded into a shower of blue light. - Your profile quote: "If darkness is bad, why does it hide you? If light is good, why does it blind you?" Obviously they cant both be right at the same time, but the connection is there in both cases. You sure respond very promptly every time someone points a finger at you. If you were equally proactive in other areas of the game I would think it much more likely you are the new Hobbes. Right now however you remain high on my shortlist. | ||
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On January 29 2010 13:07 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: all I know is finally the clues dont suggest me... considering the last few nights I was expecting tonight to be "his orange, stripy attacker left a great deal of fur and tuna fish behind..." So yes Ace, clues can be misleading. That does not mean connections are not there. | ||
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On February 16 2010 01:21 789 wrote: Citi.zen, the think is though that mystlord could fit the moon clue and EMP could fit the radiant creature clue. That is the danger of trying to fit clues to someone. Clues fit a lot better when you're trying to fit them to a specific person. Sure there is a chance that one or both of these fit Ace, there is the possibility that none of them fit him though. We should be careful about lynching based on clues so early. Read my posts again, I never said "lynch Ace right now based on day 1 clues". All I did was present my analysis of both clues and behavior, in two separate posts. It is partial and surely wrong in some ways, but I don't see how not saying anything moves the game along. | ||
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On February 16 2010 01:31 789 wrote: My point was only if we're going to talk about clues possibly connecting to someone, we should talk about the other people they possibly fit. Please stop posting for the sake of it. My final answer to you, until you find something original to contribute: I went through the 51 profiles yesterday and posted my first fake on page 45. The list was not restricted to Ace and in fact I did include Mystlord, etc. - who you bring up on this page. Please read that list, and if you want, add names to it or cross them off. But don't say I only looked at Ace, and only based on clues. God damn it, it is so easy to bury any important post with spam in this thread. | ||
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On February 16 2010 21:33 Ace wrote: You make it sound as if defending myself is a bad idea Ver. Also don't you think it's odd that multiple people have tried to get me killed already? That surely has to raise some alarms right? If you are also trying to paint yourself as a victim here, I don't buy it. Who exactly are these multiple people who asked for your head Ace? When asked by meeple I specifically stated you were a concern, but 2nd tier to Emp. As far as I can tell most people took a similar view. In the post you are replying to, Ver says this: My certainty with Ace is less than with the above two but Ace really has no business being protected anyway with his performance so far as regardless of role he is hurting the town. Again, not asking for your head, just saying you are somewhat suspect. At the start of the game, Zato-1 mentioned the clue links, but also said they should be taken "with a metric tonne of salt". Same thing for L - who said "Ace, lol what happened. Incog hates you." You are a smart player deliberately positioning yourself as a 2nd tier suspect. You are not a victim. | ||
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On February 17 2010 03:16 nemY wrote: I tallied up the list of ppl who made vote swaps. I may have made a mistake or two (in which case could someone double check it please?), but I feel like this may give a better clue to who our mafia may really be, and at least it it allows us to do some analysis, rather than say... making a list of ppl you "feel" are mafia Chezinu 5x DoctorHelvetica 3x MasterDana 1x [NyC]HoBbes 1x 789 2x Bill Murray 6x BloodyC0bbler 1x tree.hugger 1x Fulgrim 1x Nikoner 2x Ace 2x Caller 2x Decafchicken 1x d3_crescentia 3x citi.zen 2x meeple 1x sidesprang 1x SugiuraMidori 1x Empyrean 1x (he’s dead now though) 1. Why would you count abstaining as a "switch"? I only voted for DrH and RT, yet I have a 3x. 2. This post is completely void of content, yet is took some effort on your part (just not serious thinking about what and why you are going through the motions). Exactly the sort of thing that smacks of a bad attempt to "blend in" from a semi-active mafia member. | ||
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On December 12 2009 01:52 citi.zen wrote: Bill Murray = lightman's agent infiltrated on our team :-) | ||
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On February 17 2010 06:46 Bill Murray wrote: NOBODY CARES! lol i do, funny post, but the fact that i'm bad at chess has nothing to do with this The relevance is this: from this point forward, I am no longer reading any of your posts. Maybe if a thoughtful reviewer quotes you, I will consider it. That is all. | ||
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On February 17 2010 09:32 madnessman wrote: i thought that it was against the rules to post pm's? From the moderators. | ||
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On February 17 2010 02:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote: For anyone in the general know how, and medics feel free to not prot me. However, Ver has tried to guess my role, as well as actively pm people this game. Both are actions Ver rarely takes. Read earlier in the thread and you will find that he "RC'd" to BM. I will spend some time once ive showered going over his posts and analyzing him, but he is not as safe an option to prot any more than I am. Followed by: On February 17 2010 03:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Maybe you haven't played enough. But Ver does not like playing mafia in Pm's typically, nor do I. Just showerd, so I will go compare his posting to previous games, but he is playing very as per his normal play. The person replying to this is LucaWoJ, a while after it was posted and in his first "real" attempt to contribute: On February 17 2010 06:27 LucasWoJ wrote: Okay, I've just about caught up with this thread. This post is egregiously incorrect in its categorization of Ver's behavior during Mafia games. Ver frequently starts off a mafia game by posting two or three huge posts, and then communicates by PMs at night. This has been the case in every game I've ever played with Ver, and he's not playing any differently. When mafia, he usually posts less often day 2 and day 3, and when townie, Ver has tended towards PM'ing a specific group. In previous games, he's also tried guessing my role multiple times via PMs. That Ver might not like playing through PMs does not prevent him from doing so, and he does. I apologize for being so inactive. I was away all of Saturday and most of Sunday. When I came back, I had 55 or so pages to tackle, and it was just overwhelming because of the amount of garbage in the thread which resulted from many individuals intentionally and rather blatantly ignoring the response posts of those whom they accused. Just an example: Ace is often accused of being mafia, and even though he is not contributing as much as he usually does, he does defend himself. Quite literally pages upon pages of responses to Ace's posts are complete misreadings of what he says. Everything ends up getting buried, and "inactives" like me get frustrated at how no responses can be made to those posts because there are forty pages to go. And this isn't just with Ace. Everyone's posts are being misinterpreted or skewed in some form or another, and more importantly, many are being overlooked (most notably, Ver's). Spammers respond to Chezinu's and BM's nonsense posts like they aren't half-assed troll attempts (chezinu more so than BM). It's just all very depressing. Perhaps on a more positive note, I really like the way "madnessman" is posting so far. Everything is well-thought out, and none of it is useless. Keep it up. BM: Roleclaiming medic is an incredibly stupid move in this game, every bit as much as in any other game. As has already been pointed out, both mafia teams are simply trying to kill each other. In the event that one team is better than the other, the town should use medics to defend key mafia players, in order to be able to fulfill its own victory conditions. In this situation, the stronger mafia team will try to snipe the medics. Publicly RC'in medic makes this a rather easy task, even if he isn't necessarily confirmed (this is in general, not just redtooth), and takes away a stalling weapon the town still has. I have contributed absolutely nothing this game, and I intend to help out now if I can. Nothing here incriminates LucasWoJ or Ver. I am not accusing them and I cannot tie a single clue to either of them. However, if one turns up red at any point in time, this exchange is worth keeping in mind. Consider it a "grouping" if you will. | ||
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A fair number of clues seem to be repeats from the prior night. - spraying gasoline & lighting the victim on fire (deramflower & Ace). Other clues to this guy: mutters to himself that it would be fun to terrorizing people in daytime. - killer keeps going through walls (Quatol and Zato-1). Other clues: cackled loudly on day 1, perhaps knocked down and impaled Zato with sharp objects. - rooftop killer who keeps smiling to himself (BloodyCobbler, Incognito). Other clues to this guy: crazed psychopathic noises, hyena-like laughter, ripped Incognito's head off, dropped miniature sphinx on BC. - there is now a mysterious airborne-particles killer. - spear killer (BloodyCobbler, horseman who charged at dreamflower). - Note that BC was a double hit. He did not die from the sphinx, but a spear to the gut with the accompanying inscription suggesting sacrifices to the gods. I had not noticed this in the "autopsy report" on my first read.Ver's comment seems relevant when we do the math here: i was certainly wrong about BC. The hitlists show that the mafia also had no idea either. There are likely 2 missing hits, 1 of them accounted for by me. So either a bomb/hit overlapped or someone else got saved. Profiles that fit night 2 clues, roughly in order of sign-up list: Vivi57: spear killer could be one of the savages form his profile pic. Spear had inscription calling for human sacrifice to the gods, fits with the reference to 1000x curses. XeliN: guy going through walls - profile pic of a green guy who could be interpreted as breaking through walls. QuickStriker: chess piece - miniature sphinx? Nikkoner: profile pic provides a grafiti connection to d3_crescentia's killer. meeple: possible rooftop killer link with profile picture. ohN: Fulgrim walking through meadows, particles falling through the air, allergies. Mystlord: obviously fits the fire clue. Not sure about the terrorizing day/night, perhaps someone knows more about the cartoon in his picture. Phrujbaz: same connection as ohN. I am not pointing any fingers in this particular post, these are just pretty cut and dry clue links I see. Some are right, some are wrong. Caveat emptor. | ||
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The clue link I explained above: a bunch of superstitious savages with spears, leaving behind a message that sacrifices to the gods should be made. Time for posting behavior: On February 15 2010 15:55 Vivi57 wrote: ok, I've been (slowly) raeding through the thread and it keeps growing faster than I'm reading. One thing I've realized is that clues are going to be MUCH more important than in other games and behavioral analysis much less useful. Behavioral analysis is based on the idea that townies will spend their time looking for mafia and that mafia will attempt to fake that, but will not actually be looking. In this game, that doesn't work at all because *everyone* is hunting mafia whether they're mafia or townie. Got that? Clues are MUCH more important in this game. Now lets see what he tells us in his first and only long post, where he argues Ace and BC are heads of the two mafia families: On February 16 2010 17:14 Vivi57 wrote: ok, ver sent me this pm and I was going to send it back to him, but since I haven't done much yet, I'll just post it here tl;dr: Ace and bc are in the same family with redtooth as a likely third member ok, this whole post is going to be what I think as I read the every post of bc and ace's. Honestly, the reason I haven't been posting much is because the thread's been growing way too fast and I've been playing more poker and putting less time into mafia. I completely agree with bc as head of one mafia family. You pointed out his mayor post, but he also mentioned that he won't touch clues till day 3 under the premise that there's no point, just what he did in the game where he was traitor. bc is also defending ace so it might be possible they're on the same team. then he says he can't make a plan because it'll be hard to come up with, easy to stop. either he's a lazy townie or mafia. yep, even more mafia. He basically uses the defense that his team wouldn't give him gf in the exact position where he *would* want to get gf. the next bit of posts are pretty bad, he's putting a ton of effort into stopping discussion and basically telling everyone that their methods are bad rather than actually trying to hunt mafia. more DONT LYNCH ACE! ...but emp is a good lead! the he posts some forced day1 clue analysis after he spends a *long* time saying that analysis should be worthless and ignored. Combine that with something he said in msn to me: "I wish I was special  " and you have a great case against bc.now on to ace. Alot of the stuff ace said, I just kinda skimmed over the first time and ignored because all he does is scream. Let's see what a more careful analysis has to offer: starts off with a couple OMGUS posts, standard. Then he spends a bunch of time saying how clues are useless. I agree, behavior *is* more important than clues. Although, Ace is putting so much effort into convincing everyone that the clues don't point that it definitely makes him suspect. His strategy seems to be "lynch anyone who really wants to kill me" which while amusing doesn't do much of anything. Then he goes off about one of his million policy lynches, this time "lynch anyone who starts a wagon that ends in townie blood." Ace makes a subtle defense of redtooth, the only player besides himself he's defended the entire game. CLAIMS GREEN even after that, ace and redtooth keep mentioning each other. There's a very interesting dynamic going on between them and especially when you see redtooth post "Ace and I can't both be mafia." At this point, I'm fairly sure ace and redtooth are in the same mafia family. then we have some voteswitching so that ace can have the election exactly the way he wants, oddly enough putting L into pardoner. I haven't seen ace do anything useful on day1 other than telling everyone they suck and repeating that he's town over and over. I do agree with the theory that ace and redtooth are mafia together, but I'm not the least bit convinced that bc and ace would be heads of opposite mafia families. I'm sure bc is head of one, but ace and bc are either in the same family or ace actually *is* innocent. The most interesting here is that bc spent a while defending ace, but ace didn't even mention bc ONCE. I'm going to go with bc and ace in the same family with redtooth as a likely third member. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: So it doesn't take a genius to see that you are hiding something this game. Now just what is it? Currently my analysis of the situation looks like the mafia have BC and Ace as the head of two families. What do you think of this? I'm expecting a certain type of response from you. Don't let me down  Wait a minute: is it clues or behavior we should be looking at? I forget, that piece of breathtaking analysis left my head in a fog. Then we get this nice pearl of advice for the town: On February 17 2010 06:41 Vivi57 wrote: noone would kill a confirmed medic, claiming medic is just a risk because the other family might think the "medic" is mafia trying to claim. A legit medic wouldn't be hit because from the mafia's point of view, any hit that's not on the other family is a miss. Please explain good Sir. | ||
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There were a possible 7 hits last night, 3 from each family and 1 bomb. Maybe I am missing something, but doesn't the mad hatter have 2 bombs? | ||
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I promised to be distrustful, no? | ||
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On February 20 2010 12:33 Chezinu wrote: I have a feeling that your forgot someone... Yes he is! | ||
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On February 22 2010 14:03 Ace wrote: This is a new level of stupidity. Sorry to Amberlight, Vivi57, (not you Rol) for calling you guys morons in the past. This is just new. Let me add a "sorry Bill Murray" to that list. This is indeed pretty bad. | ||
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On February 25 2010 04:57 Foolishness wrote: Go uninstall life. Ouch. Please calm down, there is no need for this. | ||
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